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(Lancaster Online)   Man ordered by his township to install a septic tank believed to be about $20,000 but he is happy with his outhouse. "The outhouse ain't bothering anybody and I'm not going to spend that much money to put something in I don't really need"   (lancasteronline.com) divider line 25
    More: Stupid, septic systems, Wilson Huyett, state Department of Environmental Protection, Aaron Kauffroth  
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2013-04-29 02:33:43 PM
3 votes:
FTFA:  he remembers a life spent raising hogs and growing field crops.

Maybe nobody else noticed, but he LIVES ON A FARKING HOG FARM!!!!!  For all you people who don't get out of the city much, Hogs ain't potty trained.  Compared to a few hundred pigs shiatting anywhere they damn well feel like, I don't think that his outhouse has much environmental impact.
2013-04-29 01:29:03 PM
3 votes:
Five years later the township comes back and demands he fork over another 14-large to be hooked up to the municipal sewer system.
2013-04-29 01:08:56 PM
3 votes:

Farce-Side: Sounds like a money grab to me.  Who's to tell me where I can and cannot shiat?  I'm pretty sure that's in one of the amendments somewhere.

Also, why in the hell does he need THREE tanks?  My one family house has only one tank and it works pretty good.


There's a LOT of wacky new regulations to that kind of thing. What we had prior to sewage being forced on us was a single concrete tank, same as the old house we lived in had and same as the house I recently bought has. Just a big concrete tank with a concrete lid, and a spider web of leech beds going out in various directions. I can assure you that it would NOT be sufficient to modern code, though it worked perfectly fine, just needed sucked out once a decade or so. We filled one in because it was exposed on the surface and may have posed a hazard (6 year old running around here), my parents old one is underneath their deck, and mine I will probably just get a piece of thick sheet metal and cover it back up once I get sewage dug.

What I don't get, all of this mandatory stuff these days, is how in the everloving fark poor people are supposed to live around here. We are rather well off, but the median family income here is only $35K. It's getting to the point where it's against the law to be poor.
2013-04-29 12:01:04 PM
3 votes:
Unless it can be definitely proven that this outhouse is in some fashion causing harm to his neighbors or the larger community, which seems unlikely, this is probably one of those situations where some sort of specific, individual grandfather exemption from the rules is appropriate. Not that I'd expect anything appropriate to happen as a result of this, of course.
2013-04-29 01:45:14 PM
2 votes:
You've gotta fight. For your right. To potty.
2013-04-29 01:42:11 PM
2 votes:

semiotix: Pocket Ninja: Unless it can be definitely proven that this outhouse is in some fashion causing harm to his neighbors or the larger community, which seems unlikely

I agree that there should be a path to an exemption for this guy, or anyone who can "definitively prove" that their outhouse  doesn't threaten harm to the larger community, including themselves.

But you'd be amazed at how far just a little ignorance will take you when you're talking about mixing shiat and groundwater.


Sounds like you understand how a septic system works about as well as the people making the laws:

<i>"The DEP regulations do not care whether it is one person or a family, nor does age or financial concerns make a difference," Mohn said in the email. "The township's responsibility is to assure the waters of the Commonwealth are not jeopardized."</i>

One person's poo going into a ~6ft deep hole would have no where near the impact of flushing it with water then letting it fester in a septic tank then releasing into the ground.

I could understand if he had indoor plumbing and was just running the out-pipe into a hole, or if he lived on a 1/4 acre lot and you could smell it all over the neighborhood.
2013-04-29 01:21:58 PM
2 votes:
What's wrong with the outhouse?

As long as the ventilation is proper and its not polluting any ground water, seems fine.

As far as the environment go, the feces from a lone 77-year old man will probably be an improvement to the environment vs all the other fertilizers and fracking that they do in other communities.
2013-04-29 01:14:12 PM
2 votes:
nekom:  It's getting to the point where it's against the law to be poor.

Exactly. That's what they're aiming for. Criminalization of poverty is definitely a thing.

//Who is they? The fark-you-I-got-mine crowd.
2013-04-29 01:03:48 PM
2 votes:

Farce-Side: Also, why in the hell does he need THREE tanks?


One for each seashell!
2013-04-29 09:00:09 PM
1 votes:
stevejovi:

Anyone who believes that gubbermints and health departments only have septic and sewer requirements as a "cash grab" need only visit India to understand WHY those things are required here. The smell hits you INSTANTLY when they open the plane's door.

This guy doesn't live in India. He's one old guy in a rural district in PA in the middle of a farm. And the outhouse has been there for decades. This is not an URGENT PUBLIC HEALTH!!! issue, it's adherence to a stupid regulation. Which costs an old guy a whole lot of money and doesn't benefit anybody except the septic system sellers.

How much can one old guy possibly poop? For fark's sake he's 77.

When he dies take the outhose down and fill in the hole. Till then leave him alone.
2013-04-29 03:22:22 PM
1 votes:
This is the part I don't get: you poop and pee in a hole in the ground under your outhouse, and the waste liquid seeps directly into the ground. The indissolvable solids actually remain in the hole.

Or...you poop and pee into a toilet, which runs out to a tank buried in the ground, from which pipes allow the waste liquid to seep directly into the ground. The indissolvable solids actually remain in the tank.

What's the difference?
2013-04-29 02:44:44 PM
1 votes:

nekom: just needed TO BE sucked out once a decade or so


Come on.  We just had a thread about this.
2013-04-29 01:48:12 PM
1 votes:
Huyett said he was a 22-year-old stone mason's assistant,"carrying heavy stuff up a ladder," when Aaron Kauffroth, a bachelor farmer on lonesome Kauffroth Road in Salisbury Township, asked him in 1958 to be his farm hand. He accepted.

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2013-04-29 01:46:56 PM
1 votes:

Peki: nekom: What I don't get, all of this mandatory stuff these days, is how in the everloving fark poor people are supposed to live around here. We are rather well off, but the median family income here is only $35K. It's getting to the point where it's against the law to be poor.

You're a little late to the party. It's been against the law to be poor for awhile now.

/most of the "easy" ways for a poor person to make money are either illegal (think weekly garage sales) or require fees and paperwork and money to get into (think the sheriff arresting kids because they didn't have a permit for their lemonade stand)
//liability is the #1 reason why I haven't said fark it and took out a loan to start a business


It's pretty simple. International corporations control the world governments  and they want you working for them, not out there starting competing businesses.
2013-04-29 01:43:38 PM
1 votes:

ZAZ: Massachusetts mostly or entirely banned new outhouses more than a decade ago. Sample story: http://www.milforddailynews.com/news/x573333288.


Maine did the same thing but that is NEW construction, they did not go after the existing outhouses.  This guy would have been left alone, at most he would have gotten a letter saying he could not build a new one.
2013-04-29 01:39:40 PM
1 votes:
He should look into having the property declared a historic site. They often have different rules about what qualifies as being up to code.
2013-04-29 01:23:18 PM
1 votes:

semiotix: Pocket Ninja: Unless it can be definitely proven that this outhouse is in some fashion causing harm to his neighbors or the larger community, which seems unlikely

I agree that there should be a path to an exemption for this guy, or anyone who can "definitively prove" that their outhouse  doesn't threaten harm to the larger community, including themselves.

But you'd be amazed at how far just a little ignorance will take you when you're talking about mixing shiat and groundwater.


I admit I'm a bit confused by your point.

Most wells are dug to 500+ feet. Water drawn off of that has gone through all of the processes of being filtered by the environment, bacteria and all, and is safe to drink.

Considering the toxins and shiat you find in so-called pristine mountain runoff and other such places that are nowhere near outhouses, surface water in general is going to be dirty.  If a water sample test on the local ground water shows nothing to worry about, there's no risk.
2013-04-29 01:21:19 PM
1 votes:
Fight it in court! The dude is 77, he will be dead or in a home by the time the case gets settled.
2013-04-29 01:20:41 PM
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: Unless it can be definitely proven that this outhouse is in some fashion causing harm to his neighbors or the larger community, which seems unlikely, this is probably one of those situations where some sort of specific, individual grandfather exemption from the rules is appropriate. Not that I'd expect anything appropriate to happen as a result of this, of course.


Bizzaro-world: Where Pocket Ninja posts something perfectly reasonable, logical, and true.
2013-04-29 01:19:28 PM
1 votes:

nekom: What I don't get, all of this mandatory stuff these days, is how in the everloving fark poor people are supposed to live around here. We are rather well off, but the median family income here is only $35K. It's getting to the point where it's against the law to be poor.


You're a little late to the party. It's been against the law to be poor for awhile now.

/most of the "easy" ways for a poor person to make money are either illegal (think weekly garage sales) or require fees and paperwork and money to get into (think the sheriff arresting kids because they didn't have a permit for their lemonade stand)
//liability is the #1 reason why I haven't said fark it and took out a loan to start a business
2013-04-29 01:17:42 PM
1 votes:

nekom: Farce-Side: Sounds like a money grab to me.  Who's to tell me where I can and cannot shiat?  I'm pretty sure that's in one of the amendments somewhere.

Also, why in the hell does he need THREE tanks?  My one family house has only one tank and it works pretty good.

There's a LOT of wacky new regulations to that kind of thing. What we had prior to sewage being forced on us was a single concrete tank, same as the old house we lived in had and same as the house I recently bought has. Just a big concrete tank with a concrete lid, and a spider web of leech beds going out in various directions. I can assure you that it would NOT be sufficient to modern code, though it worked perfectly fine, just needed sucked out once a decade or so. We filled one in because it was exposed on the surface and may have posed a hazard (6 year old running around here), my parents old one is underneath their deck, and mine I will probably just get a piece of thick sheet metal and cover it back up once I get sewage dug.

What I don't get, all of this mandatory stuff these days, is how in the everloving fark poor people are supposed to live around here. We are rather well off, but the median family income here is only $35K. It's getting to the point where it's against the law to be poor.


THIS point cannot be stressed enough, and:

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2013-04-29 12:26:52 PM
1 votes:

NFA: Marcus Aurelius: $20k seems a bit steep for a shiat hole.

They run 15 to 20K in my area.


Easily, especially if you live in an area that requires the sand mound thing. If I were to build a new construction here, I'd be DAMNED glad there is sewage because it's far cheaper in the short run. It really sucked for all of us who had it forced on us though, when everyone already had septic tanks. When I was a kid there were even a few outhouses remaining, there's only one now behind an abandoned fire damaged duplex. According to grandma, they got running water around 1950 here.
2013-04-29 12:11:51 PM
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: Unless it can be definitely proven that this outhouse is in some fashion causing harm to his neighbors or the larger community, which seems unlikely, this is probably one of those situations where some sort of specific, individual grandfather exemption from the rules is appropriate. Not that I'd expect anything appropriate to happen as a result of this, of course.


That's not how cash grabs work. When they built a maximum security state prison in town, EVERYONE at the time had a perfectly working septic tank. Most still do, they didn't require anyone to remove any, but you MUST pay sewage. $1,500 tap in fee (money for absolutely NOTHING, this does not cover the actual digging, just the right to tap in), and it's absolutely mandatory. They won't turn on water unless you're hooked up to sewage.

/proud owner of 3 perfectly working but disused septic tanks
//maybe as many as 5, but I only know where 3 are.
2013-04-29 12:08:18 PM
1 votes:
"I said, 'When you're out in the woods, where do you go to the bathroom?' " Huyett recalled. "He couldn't answer me."

Well that's pretty obvious, isn't it?  First you find a bear, and then you watch where he shiats.
2013-04-29 12:05:52 PM
1 votes:
$20k seems a bit steep for a shiat hole.
 
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