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(Lancaster Online)   Man ordered by his township to install a septic tank believed to be about $20,000 but he is happy with his outhouse. "The outhouse ain't bothering anybody and I'm not going to spend that much money to put something in I don't really need"   (lancasteronline.com) divider line 104
    More: Stupid, septic systems, Wilson Huyett, state Department of Environmental Protection, Aaron Kauffroth  
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2013-04-29 11:59:55 AM  
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2013-04-29 12:01:04 PM  
Unless it can be definitely proven that this outhouse is in some fashion causing harm to his neighbors or the larger community, which seems unlikely, this is probably one of those situations where some sort of specific, individual grandfather exemption from the rules is appropriate. Not that I'd expect anything appropriate to happen as a result of this, of course.
 
2013-04-29 12:05:52 PM  
$20k seems a bit steep for a shiat hole.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-04-29 12:06:53 PM  
Massachusetts mostly or entirely banned new outhouses more than a decade ago. Sample story: http://www.milforddailynews.com/news/x573333288.
 
2013-04-29 12:08:18 PM  
"I said, 'When you're out in the woods, where do you go to the bathroom?' " Huyett recalled. "He couldn't answer me."

Well that's pretty obvious, isn't it?  First you find a bear, and then you watch where he shiats.
 
2013-04-29 12:11:51 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Unless it can be definitely proven that this outhouse is in some fashion causing harm to his neighbors or the larger community, which seems unlikely, this is probably one of those situations where some sort of specific, individual grandfather exemption from the rules is appropriate. Not that I'd expect anything appropriate to happen as a result of this, of course.


That's not how cash grabs work. When they built a maximum security state prison in town, EVERYONE at the time had a perfectly working septic tank. Most still do, they didn't require anyone to remove any, but you MUST pay sewage. $1,500 tap in fee (money for absolutely NOTHING, this does not cover the actual digging, just the right to tap in), and it's absolutely mandatory. They won't turn on water unless you're hooked up to sewage.

/proud owner of 3 perfectly working but disused septic tanks
//maybe as many as 5, but I only know where 3 are.
 
2013-04-29 12:13:12 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: "I said, 'When you're out in the woods, where do you go to the bathroom?' " Huyett recalled. "He couldn't answer me."

Well that's pretty obvious, isn't it?  First you find a bear, and then you watch where he shiats.


NO NO NO NO NO..

You follow the Pope....
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-04-29 12:24:05 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: $20k seems a bit steep for a shiat hole.


They run 15 to 20K in my area.
 
2013-04-29 12:26:52 PM  

NFA: Marcus Aurelius: $20k seems a bit steep for a shiat hole.

They run 15 to 20K in my area.


Easily, especially if you live in an area that requires the sand mound thing. If I were to build a new construction here, I'd be DAMNED glad there is sewage because it's far cheaper in the short run. It really sucked for all of us who had it forced on us though, when everyone already had septic tanks. When I was a kid there were even a few outhouses remaining, there's only one now behind an abandoned fire damaged duplex. According to grandma, they got running water around 1950 here.
 
2013-04-29 12:45:02 PM  
Yankbilly problems.
 
2013-04-29 01:01:29 PM  
Sounds like a money grab to me.  Who's to tell me where I can and cannot shiat?  I'm pretty sure that's in one of the amendments somewhere.

Also, why in the hell does he need THREE tanks?  My one family house has only one tank and it works pretty good.
 
2013-04-29 01:01:49 PM  

nekom: NFA: Marcus Aurelius: $20k seems a bit steep for a shiat hole.

They run 15 to 20K in my area.

Easily, especially if you live in an area that requires the sand mound thing. If I were to build a new construction here, I'd be DAMNED glad there is sewage because it's far cheaper in the short run. It really sucked for all of us who had it forced on us though, when everyone already had septic tanks. When I was a kid there were even a few outhouses remaining, there's only one now behind an abandoned fire damaged duplex. According to grandma, they got running water around 1950 here.


I put a new system in back in 2001 for about $14k.
 
2013-04-29 01:02:04 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Unless it can be definitely proven that this outhouse is in some fashion causing harm to his neighbors or the larger community, which seems unlikely


I agree that there should be a path to an exemption for this guy, or anyone who can "definitively prove" that their outhouse  doesn't threaten harm to the larger community, including themselves.

But you'd be amazed at how far just a little ignorance will take you when you're talking about mixing shiat and groundwater.
 
2013-04-29 01:03:48 PM  

Farce-Side: Also, why in the hell does he need THREE tanks?


One for each seashell!
 
2013-04-29 01:08:56 PM  

Farce-Side: Sounds like a money grab to me.  Who's to tell me where I can and cannot shiat?  I'm pretty sure that's in one of the amendments somewhere.

Also, why in the hell does he need THREE tanks?  My one family house has only one tank and it works pretty good.


There's a LOT of wacky new regulations to that kind of thing. What we had prior to sewage being forced on us was a single concrete tank, same as the old house we lived in had and same as the house I recently bought has. Just a big concrete tank with a concrete lid, and a spider web of leech beds going out in various directions. I can assure you that it would NOT be sufficient to modern code, though it worked perfectly fine, just needed sucked out once a decade or so. We filled one in because it was exposed on the surface and may have posed a hazard (6 year old running around here), my parents old one is underneath their deck, and mine I will probably just get a piece of thick sheet metal and cover it back up once I get sewage dug.

What I don't get, all of this mandatory stuff these days, is how in the everloving fark poor people are supposed to live around here. We are rather well off, but the median family income here is only $35K. It's getting to the point where it's against the law to be poor.
 
2013-04-29 01:12:13 PM  
It seems the inevitable scenario to use justifiable domestic drone strikes came sooner than anyone imagined.
 
2013-04-29 01:13:57 PM  

markie_farkie: Marcus Aurelius: "I said, 'When you're out in the woods, where do you go to the bathroom?' " Huyett recalled. "He couldn't answer me."

Well that's pretty obvious, isn't it?  First you find a bear, and then you watch where he shiats.

NO NO NO NO NO..

You follow the Pope....


Personally I've found that encountering a bear in the woods tends to resolve the need in the first place.
 
2013-04-29 01:14:12 PM  
nekom:  It's getting to the point where it's against the law to be poor.

Exactly. That's what they're aiming for. Criminalization of poverty is definitely a thing.

//Who is they? The fark-you-I-got-mine crowd.
 
2013-04-29 01:17:26 PM  
"The outhouse 'ain't bothering anybody,' said Huyett, a burly bachelor..."

ya don't say...
 
2013-04-29 01:17:31 PM  
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2013-04-29 01:18:49 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: $20k seems a bit steep for a shiat hole.


This one cost $1.5 billion.

www.jaunted.com
 
2013-04-29 01:19:28 PM  

nekom: What I don't get, all of this mandatory stuff these days, is how in the everloving fark poor people are supposed to live around here. We are rather well off, but the median family income here is only $35K. It's getting to the point where it's against the law to be poor.


You're a little late to the party. It's been against the law to be poor for awhile now.

/most of the "easy" ways for a poor person to make money are either illegal (think weekly garage sales) or require fees and paperwork and money to get into (think the sheriff arresting kids because they didn't have a permit for their lemonade stand)
//liability is the #1 reason why I haven't said fark it and took out a loan to start a business
 
2013-04-29 01:20:41 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Unless it can be definitely proven that this outhouse is in some fashion causing harm to his neighbors or the larger community, which seems unlikely, this is probably one of those situations where some sort of specific, individual grandfather exemption from the rules is appropriate. Not that I'd expect anything appropriate to happen as a result of this, of course.


Bizzaro-world: Where Pocket Ninja posts something perfectly reasonable, logical, and true.
 
2013-04-29 01:20:57 PM  

skullkrusher: "The outhouse 'ain't bothering anybody,' said Huyett, a burly bachelor..."

ya don't say...


I was kinda wondering about this guy, when I read that he was a young man carrying heavy things around another 'bachelor' farmer's property when the guy asked him to move in and be his 'farmhand'...lived there for nearly 50 years and got the property in the will when the original 'bachelor' farmer passed away.

/NTTAWWT
 
2013-04-29 01:21:19 PM  
Fight it in court! The dude is 77, he will be dead or in a home by the time the case gets settled.
 
2013-04-29 01:21:58 PM  
What's wrong with the outhouse?

As long as the ventilation is proper and its not polluting any ground water, seems fine.

As far as the environment go, the feces from a lone 77-year old man will probably be an improvement to the environment vs all the other fertilizers and fracking that they do in other communities.
 
2013-04-29 01:23:18 PM  

semiotix: Pocket Ninja: Unless it can be definitely proven that this outhouse is in some fashion causing harm to his neighbors or the larger community, which seems unlikely

I agree that there should be a path to an exemption for this guy, or anyone who can "definitively prove" that their outhouse  doesn't threaten harm to the larger community, including themselves.

But you'd be amazed at how far just a little ignorance will take you when you're talking about mixing shiat and groundwater.


I admit I'm a bit confused by your point.

Most wells are dug to 500+ feet. Water drawn off of that has gone through all of the processes of being filtered by the environment, bacteria and all, and is safe to drink.

Considering the toxins and shiat you find in so-called pristine mountain runoff and other such places that are nowhere near outhouses, surface water in general is going to be dirty.  If a water sample test on the local ground water shows nothing to worry about, there's no risk.
 
2013-04-29 01:24:18 PM  

buzzcut73: skullkrusher: "The outhouse 'ain't bothering anybody,' said Huyett, a burly bachelor..."

ya don't say...

I was kinda wondering about this guy, when I read that he was a young man carrying heavy things around another 'bachelor' farmer's property when the guy asked him to move in and be his 'farmhand'...lived there for nearly 50 years and got the property in the will when the original 'bachelor' farmer passed away.

/NTTAWWT


hehe yeah methinks this particular farm hand had his calloused hands on his employer's tool pretty often
 
2013-04-29 01:25:32 PM  

Dadoody: What's wrong with the outhouse?

As long as the ventilation is proper and its not polluting any ground water, seems fine.

As far as the environment go, the feces from a lone 77-year old man will probably be an improvement to the environment vs all the other fertilizers and fracking that they do in other communities.


Fancy us a bit of a septuagenarian feces connoisseur, do we?
 
2013-04-29 01:29:03 PM  
Five years later the township comes back and demands he fork over another 14-large to be hooked up to the municipal sewer system.
 
2013-04-29 01:29:36 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Dadoody: What's wrong with the outhouse?

As long as the ventilation is proper and its not polluting any ground water, seems fine.

As far as the environment go, the feces from a lone 77-year old man will probably be an improvement to the environment vs all the other fertilizers and fracking that they do in other communities.

Fancy us a bit of a septuagenarian feces connoisseur, do we?


Dammit, First the gun thread, and now this. You keep proving your awesomeness, and I'll have to responsor you to TF.
 
2013-04-29 01:32:10 PM  

nekom: What I don't get, all of this mandatory stuff these day

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It's for the good of society.
 
2013-04-29 01:33:08 PM  
Does Bob Mohn make money from this forced policy? I bet he does. Let's help Bob Mohn find a mob of farmers that don't agree.
 
2013-04-29 01:33:49 PM  

chewielouie: Marcus Aurelius: $20k seems a bit steep for a shiat hole.

This one cost $1.5 billion.

[www.jaunted.com image 385x246]


I hate to be pedantic, but isn't that the old one?
 
2013-04-29 01:36:54 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: chewielouie: Marcus Aurelius: $20k seems a bit steep for a shiat hole.

This one cost $1.5 billion.

[www.jaunted.com image 385x246]

I hate to be pedantic, but isn't that the old one?


good catch. Yes, it is.
 
2013-04-29 01:37:37 PM  
Show of hands: Who here has a septic tank + well water?

/The circle of life is complete.
 
2013-04-29 01:39:40 PM  
He should look into having the property declared a historic site. They often have different rules about what qualifies as being up to code.
 
2013-04-29 01:40:22 PM  

HiFiGuy: Show of hands: Who here has a septic tank + well water?

/The circle of life is complete.


/raises hand
//going to get water tested every other year or so to be safe
///shallow well and some of the best tasting water I've ever had
////all my neighbors have smelly rusty water
 
2013-04-29 01:42:11 PM  

semiotix: Pocket Ninja: Unless it can be definitely proven that this outhouse is in some fashion causing harm to his neighbors or the larger community, which seems unlikely

I agree that there should be a path to an exemption for this guy, or anyone who can "definitively prove" that their outhouse  doesn't threaten harm to the larger community, including themselves.

But you'd be amazed at how far just a little ignorance will take you when you're talking about mixing shiat and groundwater.


Sounds like you understand how a septic system works about as well as the people making the laws:

<i>"The DEP regulations do not care whether it is one person or a family, nor does age or financial concerns make a difference," Mohn said in the email. "The township's responsibility is to assure the waters of the Commonwealth are not jeopardized."</i>

One person's poo going into a ~6ft deep hole would have no where near the impact of flushing it with water then letting it fester in a septic tank then releasing into the ground.

I could understand if he had indoor plumbing and was just running the out-pipe into a hole, or if he lived on a 1/4 acre lot and you could smell it all over the neighborhood.
 
2013-04-29 01:42:52 PM  
Man ... believed to be about $20,000

So he's the guy made of money?
 
2013-04-29 01:43:38 PM  

ZAZ: Massachusetts mostly or entirely banned new outhouses more than a decade ago. Sample story: http://www.milforddailynews.com/news/x573333288.


Maine did the same thing but that is NEW construction, they did not go after the existing outhouses.  This guy would have been left alone, at most he would have gotten a letter saying he could not build a new one.
 
2013-04-29 01:44:43 PM  
Yes, $20 grand does sound steep.   Around here 10k can get you a anaerobic septic system, more if the soil doesn't perc, requiring a much larger drainfield.

However there's another option, at least in my state, that's cheaper.  Aerobic treatment systems have a tiny (in comparison) tank and rapidly break down the stuff using aerobic bacteria.  The "clean" effluent is just sprayed on the ground with an automatic lawn sprinkler type system.
 
2013-04-29 01:45:14 PM  
You've gotta fight. For your right. To potty.
 
2013-04-29 01:45:49 PM  
Oh, but I guess his cost goes up either way, since he doesn't have a shiatter to plumb to it.
 
2013-04-29 01:46:56 PM  

Peki: nekom: What I don't get, all of this mandatory stuff these days, is how in the everloving fark poor people are supposed to live around here. We are rather well off, but the median family income here is only $35K. It's getting to the point where it's against the law to be poor.

You're a little late to the party. It's been against the law to be poor for awhile now.

/most of the "easy" ways for a poor person to make money are either illegal (think weekly garage sales) or require fees and paperwork and money to get into (think the sheriff arresting kids because they didn't have a permit for their lemonade stand)
//liability is the #1 reason why I haven't said fark it and took out a loan to start a business


It's pretty simple. International corporations control the world governments  and they want you working for them, not out there starting competing businesses.
 
2013-04-29 01:48:12 PM  
Huyett said he was a 22-year-old stone mason's assistant,"carrying heavy stuff up a ladder," when Aaron Kauffroth, a bachelor farmer on lonesome Kauffroth Road in Salisbury Township, asked him in 1958 to be his farm hand. He accepted.

thejerseycritic.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-29 01:48:14 PM  

HiFiGuy: Show of hands: Who here has a septic tank + well water?

/The circle of life is complete.


Raises hand.

In addition, this guy is screwed. Maryland has a hard on to clean up their waterways at the direction of the federal government. They are pretending that mandating $20k septic systems will fix a lot of the problem they are turning a blind eye to state and municipality sewage stations. Maryland paid for a report a few years ago that showed where the pollution in the Chesapeake bay was coming from. Surprise, homeowners made up a fraction, runoff was the majority of the pollution and coming in a close second were overflows from outdated and poor sewage stations situated on the Chesapeake.

All septic owners are being screwed, why not this guy?  he'll have to go to McDonald's every time he wants to poo.
 
2013-04-29 01:50:12 PM  

caddisfly: Huyett said he was a 22-year-old stone mason's assistant,"carrying heavy stuff up a ladder," when Aaron Kauffroth, a bachelor farmer on lonesome Kauffroth Road in Salisbury Township, asked him in 1958 to be his farm hand. He accepted.

[thejerseycritic.files.wordpress.com image 850x531]


I can't quit you pooping in my outhouse
 
2013-04-29 01:50:30 PM  
I'd like to hear what the Pope has to say about this.
 
2013-04-29 01:51:39 PM  

Pincy: I'd like to hear what the Pope has to say about this.


From the sounds of the article, we definitely know what the bear does.
 
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