GoldSpider: heap: if it matters, i was responding to somebody claiming that gore alone was dipping his finger into the electoral/judicial waters to his own benefit, which i find hilarious.I'm pretty sure none of that would have happened if Gore hadn't challenged the initial tally.
nekom: FlashHarry: acefox1: My buddies who died fighting for Bush in Iraq all want to thank you for their sacrifice Sandra.president gore: certainly no iraq war, possibly no 9/11.I don't know why you think he would have stopped 9/11. He would have inherited the same intelligence paradigm that Bush did, and I don't recall hearing any Gore campaign promises that would have changed that.Iraq, well that's a no brainer, even any other GOP President wouldn't have got us into Iraq, that was all Bush and Cheney right there.
SomebodyElsesShoes: Your link does nothing to disprove anything the poster said. Hell, it only address one of the points: Whether Gore would have won a statewide recount. And on that point it was ambiguous:"Gore might have reversed the outcome - by the barest of margins - had he pursued and gained a complete statewide recount. "
Testiclaw: StopLurkListen: Counterpoint:I've seen your first image posted a few times; what is the context of it?Where/when was it taken and what are the people chanting (or screaming, etc.)?
Nabb1: acefox1: Also IIRC the Gore team was a few out of state lawyers working out of a strip mall since Jeb Bush pressured every law firm in the state to stay away from Gore or not get any state business."A few"? I remember that free-for-all. There were HUNDREDS of lawyers working for both campaigns and perhaps even thousands more working on amicus briefs. Believe me - no one got the short shrift on representation in that case.
acefox1: My buddies who died fighting for Bush in Iraq all want to thank you for their sacrifice Sandra.
nekom: It doesn't really make much difference, as far as I've seen no one has ever been able to even manufacture a Gore victory in Florida, even those with a mind set to do just that. Under the system in place at the time, and yes the SCOTUS was part of that system, Bush won. There really is no other way to spin that. Now if you want to argue that the electoral college is stupid, I fully agree with that, but it IS what we have, for some reason.
GoldSpider: Lumpmoose: Don't disagree, but I still think it's vital to make the election process as robust and unimpeachable as possible for the people that do show up.The best time to do that, evidently, is right in the middle of an election.
GoldSpider: Well yeah, the Florida Supreme Court sided with Gore's argument
GoldSpider: heap: it's this really neat trick where you pretend there was only 1 side taking things to the courts. i think it's the 'I'm not touching you, i'm not touching you' of politics.Only one side was trying to get the state to recount ballots where there was no such provision in the state's election laws.
Diogenes: Well, saying, "We shouldn't have accepted it" is significantly different than saying, "Our decision, after accepting it, was wrong."
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