The Name: Kind of sad that a presidential candidate can do the rhetorical equivalent of spitting in the face of nearly half (47%) of the country and still go on to to come within single-digits of winning the election.
Nattering Nabob: While giving black people the right to vote *may* have been unwise, I think we can all agree the bigger problem was giving women the right to vote.
BojanglesPaladin: HighOnCraic: I don't recall conservatives coming up with the idea of a high school diploma...So? Do you think it is wrong to want a voter to at least have a high school education?Was he right when he said that the black vote would become a solid voting block wielded by a single party?
Lionel Mandrake: pre-November GOP: What can we do to suppress the black vote?post-November GOP: Why do so few black people vote for us?
BojanglesPaladin: HighOnCraic: From Murray Rothbard (by no means a liberal):Again. I get that you want to dog on Reagan, and you have a whole slew of nifty cut-n-pastes ready to go. It's all very impressive, and all very irrlevant.
HighOnCraic: And Reagan? Seriously?!
Dr Dreidel: What's informative is that the GOP appears to not understand how to talk to people that aren't already in the GOP and that despite having been - as recently as 25-30 years ago - the party of wonky, pointy-headed academics like Carnegie and Buckley.
Dinki: js34603: Well I'm sure those trends will continue when the Dems run a white person in 2016.Black voter turnout was bigger because the GOP made a concerted effort to suppress the black vote, and the black community knew it. If the GOP makes the same mistake again, the color of the Democratic nominee will be irrelevant.
BojanglesPaladin: Smelly McUgly: Let's see, the Democrats got me the Civil Rights ActBe sure to check the party membership of the viotes on that one.
BojanglesPaladin: Magorn: define " a high school education", and who gets to determine what qualfies?Having recieved a high school diploma certifying completion of a high school education. And the same people who determine it today.So, is it wrong to want a voter to have at least a high school education?
studs up: give me doughnuts: jst3p: Dr Dreidel: It's not OK to deny someone a right to vote because they don't meet some arbitrary set of standards (knowing when The Brest-Litovsk Treaty was was necessary to graduate; to vote, probably not). I'd like some VERY basic skills tests to be administered - make sure they can read in whatever language, they know who the candidates are, know what a vote is and what it means - but the two hurdles are enforcement and selection (what is "essential information" and what isn't).I find it cute that you state it is wrong to deny someone a right to vote because they don't meet some arbitrary set of standards, then give some arbitrary set of standards that you would like people to meet before they can vote.In every election, millions of people are denied the right to vote because they don't meet the arbitrary standard of being at least 18 years old.Thank God for that at least.
Halli: BojanglesPaladin: Magorn: define " a high school education", and who gets to determine what qualfies?Having recieved a high school diploma certifying completion of a high school education. And the same people who determine it today.So, is it wrong to want a voter to have at least a high school education?Because tests or qualifcations for voting have been abused in the past.
js34603: Well I'm sure those trends will continue when the Dems run a white person in 2016.
BojanglesPaladin: HighOnCraic: r. Kilpatrick also took aim at the 1965 Voting Rights Act in the April 20, 1965 issue. "Must We Repeal the Constitution to Give the Negro the Vote?" he asked, accusing the bill's supporters of "perverting the Constitution." He thought certain blacks should be given the right to vote but notes, "Over most of this century, the great bulk of Southern Negroes have been genuinely unqualified for the franchise." He also defended segregation as rational for Southerners. "Segregation is a fact, and more than a fact; it is a state of mind. It lies in the Southern subconscious next to man's most elementary instincts, for self-preservation, for survival, for the untroubled continuation of a not intolerable way of life."Mr. Buckley softened his position on civil rights in the 1960s but to a point that would still be intolerable for conservatives today. In a column written five months before the passage of the 1965 Voting Rights Act and called "The Issue at Selma," he called for giving blacks the vote but perhaps restricting the franchise to high school graduates. He sympathized with the Southern position writing, "In much of the South, what is so greatly feared is irresponsible, mobocratic rule, and it is a fear not easily dissipated, because it is well-grounded that if the entire Negro population in the South were suddenly given the vote, and were to use it as a bloc, and pursuant to directives handed down by some of the more demagogic leaders, chaos would ensue." He also warned of "a suddenly enfranchised, violently embittered Negro population which will take the vote and wield it as an instrument of vengeance, shaking down the walls of Jericho even to their foundations, and reawakening the terrible genocidal antagonisms that scarred the Southern psyche during the days of Reconstruction."Aside from the archaic use of the word "negro" and time-period specific attitudes, could you articulate which parts of this you think are wrong? For instance, do you think it ...
Gergesa: While we are discussing taking the right to vote away from people I want to add a republican line I heard once. I believe it went something like this: This one vote per person business has got to stop. The idea that my vote can be cancelled out by some welfare queen who is just gaming the system by having 6 kids with 4 different father's is just outrageous. Only people who hold down decent jobs and don't receive any welfare should be allowed to vote./I believe it was roughly along those lines.
LargeCanine: There was no voter suppression.
daveUSMC: Does this mean we can stop whining about voter ID now?I mean everyone. STFU. It's neither the worst thing in the world since 3/5 and hosing off the Undesireables, nor absolutely necessary to protect the sacred rights of both Fartbongolian and Real American PatriotTM Voters. It is a stupid wedge issue with little relevance and negligable pratical impact.
Diogenes: Amazing what voter fraud can accomplish./runs away
FlashHarry: Diogenes: Amazing what voter fraud can accomplish./runs awayactually, despite their best efforts, the GOP voter fraud campaign fell short in 2012.
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