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(Columbus Free Press)   The real reason Dwight Howard is not the best center in the NBA and why the Lakers should think twice before re-signing him   (sportschump.net) divider line 48
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2013-04-29 11:34:28 AM  
If you don't resign him, you have no team to put on the floor next year. For a franchise that prints money by charging thousands of dollars per ticket, that's simply not acceptable.
 
2013-04-29 11:38:50 AM  

Lost Thought 00: If you don't resign him, you have no team to put on the floor next year. For a franchise that prints money by charging thousands of dollars per ticket, that's simply not acceptable.


Yep.

Holy crap, an active NBA player just came out.
 
2013-04-29 11:40:02 AM  

Flappyhead: Holy crap, an active NBA player just came out.


Is he retiring?
 
2013-04-29 11:41:07 AM  
 
2013-04-29 11:43:06 AM  
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2013-04-29 11:43:12 AM  

Lost Thought 00: If you don't resign him, you have no team to put on the floor next year. For a franchise that prints money by charging thousands of dollars per ticket, that's simply not acceptable.


If they keep Kobe, the marketing and merchandising dough will keep coming in, they will continue to have license to print said money.

Everything else will be secondary.
 
2013-04-29 11:43:39 AM  
Welcome to Lakers.com Cowboys.com Jets.com Fark.com.
 
2013-04-29 11:44:48 AM  
What else do the Lakers have? Kobe will be back, for half a season or a season and a half, but then what? Yeah, yeah, it's still the Yankees Lakers and they will still attract free agents, but they are stuck in the short term. They have no choice but to re-sign Howard, which I think is a no-brainer in spite of his poor season.
 
2013-04-29 11:44:55 AM  
All this time I had no idea that the measure of dominance was the number of shots a player attempted.  I have much to learn, apparently.
 
2013-04-29 11:45:12 AM  

LessO2: Lost Thought 00: If you don't resign him, you have no team to put on the floor next year. For a franchise that prints money by charging thousands of dollars per ticket, that's simply not acceptable.

If they keep Kobe, the marketing and merchandising dough will keep coming in, they will continue to have license to print said money.

Everything else will be secondary.


Even at best, Kobe won't be playing for at least half of next season. That's *if* he even returns to playing basketball at all
 
2013-04-29 11:49:08 AM  
The real question is why Howard would resign with them in the first place.  Kobe is done, or at least very close to being done.  Nash is old.  Howard has already proven to not have the patience for a franchise to build or rebuild around him.  He is going to go to another team that has an already legit chance to win it all.
 
2013-04-29 11:51:29 AM  
Dwight Howard = Bigger, quicker Ben Wallace.

He'd be a great piece of a great team, but he thinks he's a legit star center, which he's not.

Swap Bosh and Howard you have a awesome fit.  Try to build around Howard and you're doomed to fail.
 
2013-04-29 11:52:09 AM  

smartasspt: The real question is why Howard would resign with them in the first place.  Kobe is done, or at least very close to being done.  Nash is old.  Howard has already proven to not have the patience for a franchise to build or rebuild around him.  He is going to go to another team that has an already legit chance to win it all.


What team would that be? Difficulty...he's not gonna accept anything but a max offer.
 
2013-04-29 11:52:09 AM  
Forget tickets, the Lakers have their (mostly) own TV network. Now, I don't know the nitty gritty details of the contracts, but Time Warner will be paying the Lakers tons of money for the foreseeable future. If they swap everyone w/ the Phoenix Suns next year, Time Warner might be able to sue for fraud or negligence or something, and get out of paying as much, maybe.
 
2013-04-29 11:54:44 AM  

smartasspt: The real question is why Howard would resign with them in the first place.  Kobe is done, or at least very close to being done.  Nash is old.  Howard has already proven to not have the patience for a franchise to build or rebuild around him.  He is going to go to another team that has an already legit chance to win it all.


So is Gasol - they're ALL old. i really don't know where they go from here.
 
2013-04-29 11:54:53 AM  
Here's a fun rainy day activity: Go look up the Top 10ish centers in NBA history on Basketall-Reference.com. Look at their stats before and after the age of 30.

Bill Russell, Hakeem, David Robinson, and Patrick Ewing are really the only guys that had prime-level numbers for a significant number of years past 30. Shaq's scoring fell off dramatically at 31 (though his rebounding and blocks stayed the same, but really started falling the last year in Miami. Wilt's numbers started to slide as well (though it's all relative with him, dude grabbed 18 rebounds a game in his final season at 36).

You'd probably find this holds roughly true at any position perhaps, but the point being, this is going to affect Howard even more than anyone else, considering how much he relies on pure athleticism to be effective. There's no way I'd give a max deal to Howard right now, and risk having $20 million getting me Emeka Okafor numbers in a couple years.
 
2013-04-29 12:02:18 PM  

jayhawk88: Here's a fun rainy day activity: Go look up the Top 10ish centers in NBA history on Basketall-Reference.com. Look at their stats before and after the age of 30.

Bill Russell, Hakeem, David Robinson, and Patrick Ewing are really the only guys that had prime-level numbers for a significant number of years past 30. Shaq's scoring fell off dramatically at 31 (though his rebounding and blocks stayed the same, but really started falling the last year in Miami. Wilt's numbers started to slide as well (though it's all relative with him, dude grabbed 18 rebounds a game in his final season at 36).

You'd probably find this holds roughly true at any position perhaps, but the point being, this is going to affect Howard even more than anyone else, considering how much he relies on pure athleticism to be effective. There's no way I'd give a max deal to Howard right now, and risk having $20 million getting me Emeka Okafor numbers in a couple years.


QUIT MAKING SENSE!
 
2013-04-29 12:10:41 PM  

LessO2: Lost Thought 00: If you don't resign him, you have no team to put on the floor next year. For a franchise that prints money by charging thousands of dollars per ticket, that's simply not acceptable.

If they keep Kobe, the marketing and merchandising dough will keep coming in, they will continue to have license to print said money.

Everything else will be secondary.


If they keep Kobe, he counts for $30 Million.  Merchandising-wise, yeah he'll cover it.  Cap-wise you are farked.
 
2013-04-29 12:10:41 PM  

MugzyBrown: Dwight Howard = Bigger, quicker Ben Wallace.

He'd be a great piece of a great team, but he thinks he's a legit star center, which he's not.

Swap Bosh and Howard you have a awesome fit.  Try to build around Howard and you're doomed to fail.


So much this.

Howard is a great second or third option and a terrible leader.
 
2013-04-29 12:14:17 PM  

jso2897: smartasspt: The real question is why Howard would resign with them in the first place.  Kobe is done, or at least very close to being done.  Nash is old.  Howard has already proven to not have the patience for a franchise to build or rebuild around him.  He is going to go to another team that has an already legit chance to win it all.

So is Gasol - they're ALL old. i really don't know where they go from here.


In a league that's more guard-driven than center-driven, Howard's more of an ornamental piece nowadays.  Ten years ago he could've named his price, now?  He'll get the max (somebody will be dumb enough to pay him the max), but he's no longer what you'd call a "franchise defining" player.
 
2013-04-29 12:53:12 PM  
Howard strikes me as an individual that wants/needs constant ego stroking - I don't see anyone blowing smoke up his ass in Laker country (Buss notwithstanding).

If he was honest with himself, he should eat less cash and go to Houston, imho Hardin & Co would extend his career/health/productivity several years.

But then again I think they should amnesty Kobe out and clear the stable... shoot for 2016.
 
2013-04-29 12:58:09 PM  
Howard didn't get ejected as much as he quit on his team. Any team that gives that coward a max deal is CRAZY especially LA
 
2013-04-29 01:06:43 PM  
Howard is absolutely going to get a max contract, and he won't be anywhere near the worst player with one.  His offensive game is ugly but reasonably effective and he's still a good defender and a great rebounder.  Sure, he's not going to carry a team offensively the way LeBron or Durant can, but neither is anyone else.
 
2013-04-29 01:17:36 PM  
LeBron will be a Laker in 2014.
Signing Howard now will help with LeBron's transition.
 
2013-04-29 01:25:50 PM  

you have pee hands: Howard is absolutely going to get a max contract, and he won't be anywhere near the worst player with one.  His offensive game is ugly but reasonably effective and he's still a good defender and a great rebounder.  Sure, he's not going to carry a team offensively the way LeBron or Durant can, but neither is anyone else.


Crippling your cap by giving a second tier player a max contract is a bad way to be competitive with this CBA.
 
2013-04-29 01:29:37 PM  
The center position isn't at it's apex in league history so the sad truth is he might be the best center right now.

That is not saying much. But he is taking way too much of the blame for the failures of a team doomed to fail from the preseason. That also had serious injury problems.
 
2013-04-29 01:29:50 PM  

PowerSlacker: you have pee hands: Howard is absolutely going to get a max contract, and he won't be anywhere near the worst player with one.  His offensive game is ugly but reasonably effective and he's still a good defender and a great rebounder.  Sure, he's not going to carry a team offensively the way LeBron or Durant can, but neither is anyone else.

Crippling your cap by giving a second tier player a max contract is a bad way to be competitive with this CBA.


They're the farking Lakers. They have their own TV network. They're almost playing Champions' League soccer at this point (financially).
 
2013-04-29 02:02:48 PM  

PowerSlacker: Crippling your cap by giving a second tier player a max contract is a bad way to be competitive with this CBA.


If he's a second tier player how many guys are on your first tier?

He's a petulant baby but the only centers who definitely had better years are Marc Gasol and Duncan, and Duncan will retire a Spur.
 
2013-04-29 02:04:45 PM  
Blow it up. Cut, trade, amnesty, the whole works. This isn't baseball where it takes 20+ years to rebuild a farm system (thanks, KC); a couple drafts, a couple signings - there you go. It's the only way that really makes sense from a basketball POV. From a business POV, however...it may be different.
 
2013-04-29 02:21:25 PM  

Tired_of_the_BS: Howard strikes me as an individual that wants/needs constant ego stroking - I don't see anyone blowing smoke up his ass in Laker country (Buss notwithstanding).

If he was honest with himself, he should eat less cash and go to Houston, imho Hardin & Co would extend his career/health/productivity several years.

But then again I think they should amnesty Kobe out and clear the stable... shoot for 2016.


Don't they basically run the same offense that Stan Van ran in Orlando?
The one Dwight hated?
The one that made him a top-5 player in the NBA?

What I'm saying is, Dwight's retarded.
 
2013-04-29 02:23:50 PM  
As a Magic fan, Dwight Howard's LAkers season has been absolutely delightful.
 
2013-04-29 02:53:51 PM  
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I want to be a Laker! Don't trade me!
 
2013-04-29 03:25:21 PM  
after yesterday's game, I'd be willing to sign Sam Dalembert to replace Dwight.  Then make a run at Kevin Martin.

As has been said in this thread, the days of max contracts to centers have passed...
 
2013-04-29 03:28:39 PM  

PowerSlacker: you have pee hands: Howard is absolutely going to get a max contract, and he won't be anywhere near the worst player with one.  His offensive game is ugly but reasonably effective and he's still a good defender and a great rebounder.  Sure, he's not going to carry a team offensively the way LeBron or Durant can, but neither is anyone else.

Crippling your cap by giving a second tier player a max contract is a bad way to be competitive with this CBA.


Pretty much this; if you're going to give someone a max contract, his name better be LeBron James or Kevin Durant.  Otherwise, you might as well set the money on fire.
 
2013-04-29 03:39:58 PM  

smartasspt: The real question is why Howard would resign with them in the first place.  Kobe is done, or at least very close to being done.  Nash is old.  Howard has already proven to not have the patience for a franchise to build or rebuild around him.  He is going to go to another team that has an already legit chance to win it all.


OKC should take a long, hard look at him.  imho, he'd fit in great there.
 
2013-04-29 03:47:59 PM  

stir22: smartasspt: The real question is why Howard would resign with them in the first place.  Kobe is done, or at least very close to being done.  Nash is old.  Howard has already proven to not have the patience for a franchise to build or rebuild around him.  He is going to go to another team that has an already legit chance to win it all.

OKC should take a long, hard look at him.  imho, he'd fit in great there.


because having Serge Ibaka locked up for 4 years at $12.5M per is too good a deal for them?

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2013-04-29 04:04:54 PM  

js34603: The center position isn't at it's apex in league history so the sad truth is he might be the best center right now


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*Thinks you crazy*
 
2013-04-29 04:14:27 PM  
Dwight Howard was a colossal bust (and probably dinged his market value), Kobe's probably done as an elite player, Pau Gasol was softer than White Cloud all year and Steve Nash is now up for the lead in the "Cocoon" re-make.  The only thing better would have been 82 complete games of misery, backbiting and pointed fingers.  It would have been nice to see Kobe swept out of the playoffs again, too.
 
2013-04-29 04:19:49 PM  
Wow, not a single commenter trashed my post.  I must be moving up in the world.
 
2013-04-29 04:33:48 PM  

SportsChump: Wow, not a single commenter trashed my post.  I must be moving up in the world.


What, you think we actually read TFA?
 
2013-04-29 04:37:46 PM  
>basing the entire article on his field goal attempts per game

Dude gets fouled constantly. A missed FG attempt when fouled doesn't count as a FG attempt. Hence the statistic.
 
2013-04-29 04:45:32 PM  

Gonz: SportsChump: Wow, not a single commenter trashed my post.  I must be moving up in the world.

What, you think we actually read TFA?


This. Your blog still sucks, we've just learned not to read it.
 
2013-04-29 04:57:55 PM  

SportsChump: Wow, not a single commenter trashed my post.  I must be moving up in the world.


Then you might not have caught the sarcasm in my comment upthread.
 
2013-04-29 05:28:27 PM  

js34603: The center position isn't at it's apex in league history so the sad truth is he might be the best center right now.



Nope.

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2013-04-29 08:37:29 PM  
Chronic, I did.  And you do.

Isn't it about time we stop calling Dwight dominant?

What, pray tell, is he dominant at?
 
2013-04-29 09:01:00 PM  

SportsChump: Chronic, I did.  And you do.

Isn't it about time we stop calling Dwight dominant?

What, pray tell, is he dominant at?


Getting headlines.  Getting people to waste time and breath they'll never recapture.  Checking out on teammates.  Obnoxious fashion statements.  A general air of entitlement  inappropriate for someone who can't carry his best teammate's used jock.  He's dominant at all of these things, and probably more.
 
2013-04-29 09:06:37 PM  
That's exactly the answer I was looking for.
 
2013-04-30 12:25:57 AM  
Charles and Shaq were right, he's got no post "move" to speak of. But one of the best things about the Lakers is that they can overpay their talent in order to keep a good thing going. If James Harden was on the Lakers, they would have made that deal to keep him. Dwight could easily be the second banana on a champion, no question. The real question is who the Alpha dog will be. Kobe will not be the same player he was, but LeBron can opt out in 2014. Chris Paul is also a free agent this summer. Laker fans are definitely firm believers in destiny, although w/ Dr. Jerry gone, we really would like Jeannie to kick Jimmy out of town.
 
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