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(New York Daily News)   Hi candidate for NYC mayor. Could you please explain in a cool, calm and collected manner your public-private partnerships plan to promote more vocational training in schools? "Go bullsh--- yourself, if you want"   (nydailynews.com) divider line 19
    More: Dumbass, Republican John Catsimatidis, nyc mayor, John Catsimatidis, Republican  
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2013-04-29 08:51:25 AM  
It would be very surprising if any f*cks are given.
 
2013-04-29 08:54:28 AM  
Eh, shiatting on the king of the "Brooklyn Tea Party" isn't especially risky.
 
2013-04-29 08:54:54 AM  
From "How I'm doing?"
To "Go bullsh-- yourself, if you want!"

Look how far we've come.
 
2013-04-29 08:57:28 AM  
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Super Mario Brothers the movie is looking more prophetic by the day
 
2013-04-29 08:58:53 AM  
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Finally, an honest politician shows what electoral politics is really all about.
 
2013-04-29 09:01:06 AM  
How does a candidate get public matching funds?
In exchange for abiding by strict spending limits, candidates may be eligible to have contributions from individual New York City residents matched with taxpayer dollars. The Program matches each dollar a New York City resident gives, up to $175 per contributor, with $6 in public funds, for a maximum of $1,050 in public funds per contributor. To qualify for public funds, candidates must be in compliance with all Program requirements, be on the ballot, have an opponent on the ballot, and meet a two-part financial threshold that demonstrates a basic level of community support.


 For many, the NYC Mayoral race is just another grift.
 
2013-04-29 09:02:52 AM  
Unless he has a way of repealing "No Child Left Behind," he is using this a get rich quick scheme for someone.

/NCLB has killed VocEd programs, the world needs welders too.
 
2013-04-29 09:22:46 AM  
Could you please explain in a cool, calm and collected manner your public-private partnerships plan to promote more vocational training in schools?
//This is what my political donors want. That is all, move along, nothing to see here.
 
2013-04-29 09:23:49 AM  
Catsimatidis laughed off the exchange afterward, telling the Daily News, "These people are used to dealing with people who don't have courage. I am used to confrontation. I don't blink."

It is pathetic watching the willfully ignorant confuse their own stupidity for bravery.
 
2013-04-29 09:37:33 AM  

Tom_Slick: Unless he has a way of repealing "No Child Left Behind," he is using this a get rich quick scheme for someone.

/NCLB has killed VocEd programs, the world needs welders too.


I totally agree that NCLB needs reform, however training someone strictly in a trade isn't the sole purpose of the educational system.

For instance, there are welders in specialities that make a lot more than many lawyers and engineers, however the lawyer and the engineer have benefited from the broadened cultural horizons given by a college education. I don't see any reason why skilled tradesman shouldn't also receive a good, well rounded education.

Take a married professional couple who work hard, but they spend their money on their children and live in a reasonable house, they understand the broader concepts of the global community and social justice, they spend money on their kids education. They tend to buy a smaller house, watch their environmental impact, and vote based on knowledge of how the world works, not fwd: fwd: chain e-mails about birth certificates.

Then take a person who doesn't get a good education and learns a trade, hopefully they learned good values from their parents, but there is a very good chance they will buy too much of a house, finance a new F-350 and wonder why they are broke when they get laid off during a downturn with no savings. It's like when people win the lottery and don't have an education, it usually ends badly.

Yes, the world needs tradesman, but just because someone is a tradesman doesn't mean they need to be well educated, education will promote other opportunities for them within their trade, like for an engineering assistant to one day become an engineer, or a nursing aide to one day become a nurse. The days of just sitting in a trade are mostly over because there's often someone willing to go through your training and more, and then do your current job for less.

So yes, we need vocational ed, but there's no reason why a plumber shouldn't have the same general knowledge of the world as any other college graduate. Does a a finance major need to know about biology or history? Likely not, but it makes him a more intelligent person who can make better, more informed choices about the world around him, why should "vocational" have to come with lowered expectations?
 
2013-04-29 09:49:24 AM  
This article was very short on what the proposal might be. I am looking into the same kind of program for our little burg....funded primarily by business.
 
2013-04-29 10:02:34 AM  

CBRNEd: So yes, we need vocational ed, but there's no reason why a plumber shouldn't have the same general knowledge of the world as any other college graduate. Does a a finance major need to know about biology or history? Likely not, but it makes him a more intelligent person who can make better, more informed choices about the world around him, why should "vocational" have to come with lowered expectations?


Because those "broader experiences" cost hundreds of thousands of dollars per person, and unless you are willing to pony up the cash to cover the difference, shut the f*ck up.
 
2013-04-29 10:06:40 AM  

CBRNEd: For instance, there are welders in specialities that make a lot more than many lawyers and engineers, however the lawyer and the engineer have benefited from the broadened cultural horizons given by a college education. I don't see any reason why skilled tradesman shouldn't also receive a good, well rounded education.


I recieved a well rounded education in High School, everything I learned about personal finance and business I learned in high school, sure while earning my degree in college I certainly learned more about history and politics, but then I was interested in those subjects and they help me in my career field, but let's face the truth there are people who just don't care about that.  Most tradesman don't and I have worked with many, many tradesman, send them to Harvard and they still won't care.  A well rounded education only matters if you are in the field of education the rest of us just go on with our jobs and so we can afford to do what we want.  My aircraft mechanic is in his late 20s, he lives and breathes airplanes, his entire education has to do with flying and fixing airplanes, he could care less about anything else, he did not need a well rounded education to have a good job he loves.  Personal finance and economic principles can be taught in High School but they aren't because that does not teach kids to pass a test.  That is why a high school grad no longer gets a well rounded education.
 
2013-04-29 10:38:16 AM  

Lost Thought 00: CBRNEd: So yes, we need vocational ed, but there's no reason why a plumber shouldn't have the same general knowledge of the world as any other college graduate. Does a a finance major need to know about biology or history? Likely not, but it makes him a more intelligent person who can make better, more informed choices about the world around him, why should "vocational" have to come with lowered expectations?

Because those "broader experiences" cost hundreds of thousands of dollars per person, and unless you are willing to pony up the cash to cover the difference, shut the f*ck up.


The problem is that no one should have to pony up that cash, with NCLB reform high schools can do a better job of providing a well rounded education, rather than teaching to the test. I am not calling for everyone to spend four years in college, I know the economics don't really work out for many professions, but cutting out the standardized testing and tying in vocational training with broader classes that have been cut from high school, like music programs, will give vocational training as well as a well rounded education. How a kid does on state standardized test is meaningless, the SAT scores for those choosing to go to college and the vocational skills for those going directly into the work force are what matter.

People shouldn't have to rack up 100K in college debt to learn how to be good citizens, that should be taught in high school, but instead our schools are producing people without trade knowledge or anything else, so it's no wonder the drop out rate is so high in many places.
 
2013-04-29 10:46:15 AM  
By NYC standards, that is cool, calm, and collected.
 
2013-04-29 10:53:30 AM  
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"Thank you! It's been so long since I had a microphone, I forgot how good it tastes."
 
2013-04-29 11:05:32 AM  

CBRNEd: The problem is that no one should have to pony up that cash, with NCLB reform high schools can do a better job of providing a well rounded education, rather than teaching to the test.


They can.  But they won't.
 
2013-04-29 03:35:35 PM  

CBRNEd: People shouldn't have to rack up 100K in college debt to learn how to be good citizens, that should be taught in high school, but instead our schools are producing people without trade knowledge or anything else, so it's no wonder the drop out rate is so high in many places.


The high school dropout rate is high because of the cirriculum?  Or the college dropout rate is so high because of the end result of a high school education?
 
2013-04-29 07:42:04 PM  
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