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2013-04-29 11:42:17 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: You mean 1988?

I'm talking about now, with the current teabagger-run GOP.  I don't think they would go for a guy who raised taxes and granted amnesty to illegals.

That's the stupidity/hypocrisy.  He did things that would automatically disqualify him today, yet they practically worship the guy.


The TEAOP would definitely go for a guy who raised taxes and granted amnesty to illegal aliens. The TEAOP had and has never decided anything based on the position of the candidate, just whether they're R or D. Remember, when they first started, the claim was that they're a new third party who will hold both established political parties (the GOP and the Dems) to account. Instead, we soon realized they were an astroturf group that toed the GOP line on every item, except for the one item of making compromises with the other party.

If the GOP said, "we're for rape" the TEAOP would support that. If the GOP said, "we'll kill medicare", the TEAOP would support that. Heck, not only would they support that, they were the instigators for such wild positions.
 
2013-04-29 11:43:20 AM  

skozlaw: another cultural observer: Irregardlessly, both parties would "drum out" many of their past figures. If we can agree on that point, I've gotten what I wanted out of the conversation.

No, not really. The democrats didn't "drum out" the racists. The southern racists got pissed off and left of their own volition when the party started to embrace civil rights. The democrats didn't drum them out, they just sort of said "Well, bye." when they left.

The republicans, on the other hand, did actively drum out some of their people. Specifically, the smart people. Because they decided back in the 70s that they could win more elections with numerical superiority if they just opened the doors and let ever bible-beating, racist, inbred yahoo into the fold. Which worked fine until the nutjobs decided that they were tired of being paid lip service to and actually started to take over the party's direction. Now every republican that wants to focus on something practical instead of a woman's cervix or whether or not the clean-shaven neighbor with the Subaru is banging his poker buddies gets chased away as a "RINO".


So, the DNC's tent includes racists, and the GOP's tent includes racists.  I'm happy we've achieved equilibrium.
 
2013-04-29 11:46:34 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: another cultural observer: Lionel Mandrake: another cultural observer: But were they democrats? yes. And would they be "drummed out"? yes.

Yes, they were, yes they would, and rightfully so.

But Republicans worship a guy that they would never accept, so there's that extra layer of stupidity and/or hypocrisy.

Democrats do not have fond memories of segregationist Dems, most of whom became Republicans, anyway.

I'm going to disagree with you.  If Reagan were re-animated (or brought forward courtesy of the Political Time Machine discussed above), and back to his spry young 98, or however old he was in 1983, republicans would ignore the attack ads, ignore the parts of his politics they disagreed with, and vote for Reagan as soon as the Constitution was amended to allow a 3rd term.  They wouldn't even have to raise money to get him elected.

The novelty of electing a time-traveling president would trump any political differences.

You mean 1988?

I'm talking about now, with the current teabagger-run GOP.  I don't think they would go for a guy who raised taxes and granted amnesty to illegals.

That's the stupidity/hypocrisy.  He did things that would automatically disqualify him today, yet they practically worship the guy.


"however old he was in 1983" was a clause distinct from the subsequent clause (denoted by a comma) regarding republicans/voting.  It's got to be read in the context of the paragraph and prior posts, however.  That might make things clearer, though I admit I'm writing off the cuff.

I stand by my belief that a time traveling Reagan from 1983 would prevail if the constitution was amended to allow him to run.  We're dealing in realms of fantasy (if he's a zombie) or physics (if its time travel), but I wasn't the one to bring up either hypothetical.
 
2013-04-29 11:55:09 AM  

another cultural observer: I stand by my belief that a time traveling Reagan from 1983 would prevail if the constitution was amended to allow him to run. We're dealing in realms of fantasy (if he's a zombie) or physics (if its time travel), but I wasn't the one to bring up either hypothetical.


I never once mentioned time-traveling zombies.
 
2013-04-29 11:59:09 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: another cultural observer: I stand by my belief that a time traveling Reagan from 1983 would prevail if the constitution was amended to allow him to run. We're dealing in realms of fantasy (if he's a zombie) or physics (if its time travel), but I wasn't the one to bring up either hypothetical.

I never once mentioned time-traveling zombies.


It's more of an either/or thing, but someone (can't be bothered to look up) stated that republicans would never elect reagan if he were around today.  Well, what other methods of "reagan being around today" can you think of?  I'm open to other suggestions, but the two obvious ones are zombie or time travel.

I mean, if we're saying that Reagan was never elected back in the 80's, and was simply a man named Reagan who was running around not dead today...he'd have to be born decades later and probably have a very different worldview than 80's Reagan.  For all intents and purposes, he wouldn't be the same Reagan.  But the kicker is that this Not-Reagan is then compared to 80's Reagan as if they are in fact the same, when they simply can't be...but for the possibility of zombies or time travel.
 
2013-04-29 12:00:01 PM  

Bf+: Mentat: That's the whole point of the Bush Library.  It's not a historical archive, it's a 24-hour propaganda mill slash "think tank".

Which I think, in time, could potentially be a good thing.
Maybe history will judge the Bush Libary for what it is.


backyardcarnivals.com
 
2013-04-29 12:13:22 PM  
another cultural observer:

So, the DNC's tent includes racists, and the GOP's tent includes racists.  I'm happy we've achieved equilibrium.

Both sides are bad, so vote Republican?
One side said:

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other side was all:

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-29 12:17:51 PM  

Witty_Retort: another cultural observer:

So, the DNC's tent includes racists, and the GOP's tent includes racists.  I'm happy we've achieved equilibrium.

Both sides are bad, so vote Republican?
One side said:

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 299x156]

other side was all:

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x244]


No, no, no.  I already went over this!

Both sides are bad, so invent time travel and find a decent politician from back when at least once side was decent (good luck) and bring that politician into the present so he can fix things for us.

BSABSITTAFADPFBWATOSWD(GL)ABTPITPSHCFTFU.
 
2013-04-29 12:44:32 PM  

HairBolus: Ah, right wing memory:

[crooksandliars.com image 720x321]




You mean blaming the violence on a YouTube video nobody saw?
 
2013-04-29 12:57:39 PM  
No. Will not click on a DailyKOS, American Thinker, NewsBuster, or any other Paid Provacatuer website.

Only Farkers can prevent asinine flame-bait greenlights.
 
2013-04-29 02:47:32 PM  

another cultural observer: Perhaps, but today's GOP doesn't own the historical "right wing", and building nuclear missiles to bring down the federal debt isn't exactly the product of a left wing world view, then or now.


Yet, he  still managed to be further left than any president we've had since, except Jimmy Carter.
 
2013-04-29 05:08:02 PM  

another cultural observer: It's more of an either/or thing, but someone (can't be bothered to look up) stated that republicans would never elect reagan if he were around today. Well, what other methods of "reagan being around today" can you think of? I'm open to other suggestions, but the two obvious ones are zombie or time travel.


Virtual reality AI simulation? Cloning and artificial memory engram encoding? Crossover from a parallel universe where they discovered lifespan extension drugs and he's still alive? Robot duplicate? DNA reading metamorphic alien impostor? Technological resurrection of his frozen corpse after a cure for Alzheimer's is discovered and strong antigeronic drugs are invented in this universe? D&D style resurrection magic? Straight-out magic duplicate?

TV Tropes may have additional possibilities...
 
2013-04-29 05:15:01 PM  

KiltedBastich: another cultural observer: It's more of an either/or thing, but someone (can't be bothered to look up) stated that republicans would never elect reagan if he were around today. Well, what other methods of "reagan being around today" can you think of? I'm open to other suggestions, but the two obvious ones are zombie or time travel.

Virtual reality AI simulation? Cloning and artificial memory engram encoding? Crossover from a parallel universe where they discovered lifespan extension drugs and he's still alive? Robot duplicate? DNA reading metamorphic alien impostor? Technological resurrection of his frozen corpse after a cure for Alzheimer's is discovered and strong antigeronic drugs are invented in this universe? D&D style resurrection magic? Straight-out magic duplicate?

TV Tropes may have additional possibilities...


The all-important first step, so that his re-appearance and re-election can actually be tested, is for the U.S. population to somehow accept that there is a new Reagan running around.  It's got to be "natural" for the voters or else the entire idea of "they'd never vote for him again" would be moot, as non-humans can't run for president and the magic duplicate might have issues regarding his age (ie, how old is a magic duplicate that you created 1 hour ago?).  The first question would be "what are you doing here?", followed immediately by a constitutional crisis once he opted to enter the presidential race.
 
2013-04-29 05:21:29 PM  

another cultural observer: The all-important first step, so that his re-appearance and re-election can actually be tested, is for the U.S. population to somehow accept that there is a new Reagan running around. It's got to be "natural" for the voters or else the entire idea of "they'd never vote for him again" would be moot, as non-humans can't run for president and the magic duplicate might have issues regarding his age (ie, how old is a magic duplicate that you created 1 hour ago?). The first question would be "what are you doing here?", followed immediately by a constitutional crisis once he opted to enter the presidential race.


Incidentally, that would rule out zombie Reagan, as technically he'd still be dead.

That still leaves cloning, parallel universes, technological resurrection, magic resurrection, and alien imposters able to masquerage as human, in addition to time travel. I'd say you've got plenty of possibilities to choose from!
 
2013-04-29 05:23:52 PM  

KiltedBastich: another cultural observer: The all-important first step, so that his re-appearance and re-election can actually be tested, is for the U.S. population to somehow accept that there is a new Reagan running around. It's got to be "natural" for the voters or else the entire idea of "they'd never vote for him again" would be moot, as non-humans can't run for president and the magic duplicate might have issues regarding his age (ie, how old is a magic duplicate that you created 1 hour ago?). The first question would be "what are you doing here?", followed immediately by a constitutional crisis once he opted to enter the presidential race.

Incidentally, that would rule out zombie Reagan, as technically he'd still be dead.

That still leaves cloning, parallel universes, technological resurrection, magic resurrection, and alien imposters able to masquerage as human, in addition to time travel. I'd say you've got plenty of possibilities to choose from!


"Masquerage" sounds like the name of a failed screamo band.
 
2013-04-29 05:27:40 PM  

another cultural observer: "Masquerage" sounds like the name of a failed screamo band.


Or a classic goth cover band. Maybe emo.
 
2013-04-29 05:30:27 PM  
http://www.masquerage.org/

At first glance it's SFW.  Rockin the fairgrounds!
 
2013-04-29 05:34:29 PM  

another cultural observer: http://www.masquerage.org/

At first glance it's SFW.  Rockin the fairgrounds!



Interesting. I suppose that's a relatively obvious portmanteau, in the end. So, now that we've completely jacked the thread, what next?
 
2013-04-29 05:38:53 PM  

KiltedBastich: another cultural observer: http://www.masquerage.org/

At first glance it's SFW.  Rockin the fairgrounds!


Interesting. I suppose that's a relatively obvious portmanteau, in the end. So, now that we've completely jacked the thread, what next?


I have no idea.  My threadsh*tting parts might be broken.
 
2013-04-29 07:36:39 PM  

another cultural observer: So, the DNC's tent includes racists, and the GOP's tent includes racists. I'm happy we've achieved equilibrium.


Whatever you say, Captain Tollhard.
 
2013-04-29 09:45:39 PM  

dericwater: another cultural observer: dericwater: another cultural observer: No "perhaps" about it! We'd still be on muddy roads and crumbling narrow streets if today's gop was able to stop Ike's Interstate Highway plan.

Ike's Interstate Highway Plan would be held up for CENTURIES thanks to environmental impact studies and the presence of endangered worms in Nebraska, and a rare root vegetable in California.  Neither party would let the interstates be built today without a huge fight.

Those are the nefarious lawyers who leverage a reasonable and sensible environmental impact report request to squeeze out money from the government. They have nothing to do with the left other than using the left's reasonable requests for investigating the environmental impacts to extract extortion money. The left does not work with them, nor does the left accept their use.

The Sierra Club is nefarious?

At first, they were genuine. Then the lawyers took over. Even the founders of the Sierra Club have nothing good to say about the Sierra Club now. This is one of the non-profits that had noble deeds at the start and is now nothing more than a money-raking scheme run by lawyers.


That's interesting. I've noticed the Sierra Club seemed a little cozy with some wealthy people threatened by eminent domain here, but chalked it up to a coincidental meeting of the minds (despite the junket or two). I've also been sort of wondering where they've been on a couple other projects that seemed at least as worthy of fighting. Oh well, I'm sure they can't do everything....but I think I'll do a little more digging now. Thanks.
 
2013-04-30 08:19:26 AM  

Giltric: Bush didn't inherit a recession, he inherited a couple bubbles that were bursting and/or about to burst.


9/10
Nicely done.
 
2013-04-30 03:01:57 PM  

zenobia: At first, they were genuine. Then the lawyers took over. Even the founders of the Sierra Club have nothing good to say about the Sierra Club now. This is one of the non-profits that had noble deeds at the start and is now nothing more than a money-raking scheme run by lawyers.

That's interesting. I've noticed the Sierra Club seemed a little cozy with some wealthy people threatened by eminent domain here, but chalked it up to a coincidental meeting of the minds (despite the junket or two). I've also been sort of wondering where they've been on a couple other projects that seemed at least as worthy of fighting. Oh well, I'm sure they can't do everything....but I think I'll do a little more digging now. Thanks.


Yeah, that's pretty much the entire modus operandi of the environmental law field. Check out the real story behind the Hinkley, CA, case for example.
 
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