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2013-04-29 10:02:08 AM  
These aren't the droids you're looking for.
 
2013-04-29 10:02:14 AM  
Conservatives aren't very good at history or math.
 
2013-04-29 10:03:29 AM  

Citrate1007: Conservatives aren't very good at history or math.


FTFY
 
2013-04-29 10:04:58 AM  
2001-2008: "BUSH IS A GOD! HOW DARE YOU QUESTION HIM YOU TRAITOR??!!

2009-2011: "Bush? Bush Who? Oh you mean that Democrat GW Bush? He was never a true conservative!"

2012: " Bush was right all along."

right wingers are sick in the head
 
2013-04-29 10:05:49 AM  

Citrate1007: Conservatives aren't very good at history or math.


They make up for it with their oil paintings.
 
2013-04-29 10:07:28 AM  
ts1.mm.bing.net

He doesn't do very good with machines that get you from A to B, or time A to B.
 
2013-04-29 10:08:01 AM  
When did KOS start competing with The Onion?
 
2013-04-29 10:08:12 AM  

another cultural observer: Citrate1007: Conservatives aren't very good at history or math.

They make up for it with their oil paintings.


You know who also was right wing and did paintings?
 
2013-04-29 10:11:07 AM  

Citrate1007: Conservatives aren't very good at history or math.


It's all there in the Bible, the Warren Commission report, and the works of Von Mises and Ayn Rand. Sssssstudy it out.
 
2013-04-29 10:14:59 AM  

TV's Vinnie: 2001-2008: "BUSH IS A GOD! HOW DARE YOU QUESTION HIM YOU TRAITOR??!!

2009-2011: "Bush? Bush Who? Oh you mean that Democrat GW Bush? He was never a true conservative!"

2012: " Bush was right all along."

right wingers are sick in the head


pretty much this.
 
2013-04-29 10:15:04 AM  

TV's Vinnie: another cultural observer: Citrate1007: Conservatives aren't very good at history or math.

They make up for it with their oil paintings.

You know who also was right wing and did paintings?


This guy?

www.simonbrushfield.com
 
2013-04-29 10:17:17 AM  

TV's Vinnie: another cultural observer: Citrate1007: Conservatives aren't very good at history or math.

They make up for it with their oil paintings.

You know who also was right wing and did paintings?


www.menospalvos.lt
 
2013-04-29 10:20:07 AM  

another cultural observer: Citrate1007: Conservatives aren't very good at history or math.

They make up for it with their oil paintings.


 img.xcitefun.net
 
2013-04-29 10:23:15 AM  

Bungles: another cultural observer: Citrate1007: Conservatives aren't very good at history or math.

They make up for it with their oil paintings.

 [img.xcitefun.net image 634x421]


For a true master, look no further than U.S. Grant:

www.granthomepage.com
The small pic doesn't do it justice.  He painted this at age 18 to impress a lady.
 
2013-04-29 10:26:37 AM  
Bush didn't inherit a recession, he inherited a couple bubbles that were bursting and/or about to burst.
 
2013-04-29 10:29:03 AM  

Giltric: Bush didn't inherit a recession, he inherited a couple bubbles that were bursting and/or about to burst.


b-b-b-but bubbles!!
 
2013-04-29 10:31:05 AM  

another cultural observer: TV's Vinnie: another cultural observer: Citrate1007: Conservatives aren't very good at history or math.

They make up for it with their oil paintings.

You know who also was right wing and did paintings?

[www.menospalvos.lt image 600x400]


Ike would have been shouted at by Bill O'Reilly and called a RINO by today's gop.
 
2013-04-29 10:34:02 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Giltric: Bush didn't inherit a recession, he inherited a couple bubbles that were bursting and/or about to burst.

b-b-b-but bubbles!!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble

Theres one.

Can you counter the claim?
 
2013-04-29 10:35:31 AM  

Giltric: Bush didn't inherit a recession, he inherited a couple bubbles that were bursting and/or about to burst.


And thank goodness he learned his lesson from that about deregulation and dismantled agencies helping to create bubbles.
 
2013-04-29 10:36:48 AM  

TV's Vinnie: another cultural observer: TV's Vinnie: another cultural observer: Citrate1007: Conservatives aren't very good at history or math.

They make up for it with their oil paintings.

You know who also was right wing and did paintings?

[www.menospalvos.lt image 600x400]

Ike would have been shouted at by Bill O'Reilly and called a RINO by today's gop.


Perhaps, but today's GOP doesn't own the historical "right wing", and building nuclear missiles to bring down the federal debt isn't exactly the product of a left wing world view, then or now.
 
2013-04-29 10:40:05 AM  
That's the whole point of the Bush Library.  It's not a historical archive, it's a 24-hour propaganda mill slash "think tank".
 
2013-04-29 10:41:16 AM  

Yakk: Giltric: Bush didn't inherit a recession, he inherited a couple bubbles that were bursting and/or about to burst.

And thank goodness he learned his lesson from that about deregulation and dismantled agencies helping to create bubbles.


What agencies did he dismantle, what bubbles did he create, what was deregulated?
 
2013-04-29 10:42:40 AM  
the party of personal responsibility.
 
Bf+
2013-04-29 10:49:32 AM  

Mentat: That's the whole point of the Bush Library.  It's not a historical archive, it's a 24-hour propaganda mill slash "think tank".


Which I think, in time, could potentially be a good thing.
Maybe history will judge the Bush Libary for what it is.
 
2013-04-29 10:49:39 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: TV's Vinnie: another cultural observer: Citrate1007: Conservatives aren't very good at history or math.

They make up for it with their oil paintings.

You know who also was right wing and did paintings?

This guy?

[www.simonbrushfield.com image 460x276]


another cultural observer: www.menospalvos.lt


Both would be drummed out of the GOB now for not being "pure"

Both great men, though I can find some faults with both.
 
2013-04-29 10:52:33 AM  

Giltric: Lionel Mandrake: Giltric: Bush didn't inherit a recession, he inherited a couple bubbles that were bursting and/or about to burst.

b-b-b-but bubbles!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble

Theres one.

Can you counter the claim?


It was a joke, Francis.
 
2013-04-29 10:55:39 AM  

Giltric: Yakk: Giltric: Bush didn't inherit a recession, he inherited a couple bubbles that were bursting and/or about to burst.

And thank goodness he learned his lesson from that about deregulation and dismantled agencies helping to create bubbles.

What agencies did he dismantle, what bubbles did he create, what was deregulated?


He dismantled agencies by appointing useless people to lead those agencies. Look at FEMA for example. Look at all the Monsanto people working in the FDA and USDA; mining executives in OSHA and the mining oversight agencies. The list goes on.
 
2013-04-29 10:55:45 AM  
Ah, right wing memory:

crooksandliars.com
 
2013-04-29 10:55:46 AM  

baka-san: Lionel Mandrake: TV's Vinnie: another cultural observer: Citrate1007: Conservatives aren't very good at history or math.

They make up for it with their oil paintings.

You know who also was right wing and did paintings?

This guy?

[www.simonbrushfield.com image 460x276]

another cultural observer: www.menospalvos.lt

Both would be drummed out of the GOB now for not being "pure"

Both great men, though I can find some faults with both.


GOB?

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

COME ON!!
 
2013-04-29 10:57:49 AM  

TV's Vinnie: 2001-2008: "BUSH IS A GOD! HOW DARE YOU QUESTION HIM YOU TRAITOR??!!

2009-2011: "Bush? Bush Who? Oh you mean that Democrat GW Bush? He was never a true conservative!"

2012: " Bush was right all along."

right wingers are sick in the head



Don't forget that "Descent is the highest form of patriotic!"
 
2013-04-29 11:00:47 AM  

baka-san: Lionel Mandrake: TV's Vinnie: another cultural observer: Citrate1007: Conservatives aren't very good at history or math.

They make up for it with their oil paintings.

You know who also was right wing and did paintings?

This guy?

[www.simonbrushfield.com image 460x276]

another cultural observer: www.menospalvos.lt

Both would be drummed out of the GOB now for not being "pure"

Both great men, though I can find some faults with both.


Plenty of historical left-leaning figures held views which, by today's standards, would be unacceptable to the DNC.  The DNC would TOTALLY "drum out" many, many historical democrats for not being "pure" democrats by today's standards.  Something about the South and racial bigotry.

Pot, meet kettle.
 
2013-04-29 11:01:21 AM  

another cultural observer: TV's Vinnie: another cultural observer: TV's Vinnie: another cultural observer: Citrate1007: Conservatives aren't very good at history or math.

They make up for it with their oil paintings.

You know who also was right wing and did paintings?

[www.menospalvos.lt image 600x400]

Ike would have been shouted at by Bill O'Reilly and called a RINO by today's gop.

Perhaps, but today's GOP doesn't own the historical "right wing", and building nuclear missiles to bring down the federal debt isn't exactly the product of a left wing world view, then or now.


No "perhaps" about it! We'd still be on muddy roads and crumbling narrow streets if today's gop was able to stop Ike's Interstate Highway plan.
 
2013-04-29 11:03:37 AM  

TV's Vinnie: another cultural observer: TV's Vinnie: another cultural observer: TV's Vinnie: another cultural observer: Citrate1007: Conservatives aren't very good at history or math.

They make up for it with their oil paintings.

You know who also was right wing and did paintings?

[www.menospalvos.lt image 600x400]

Ike would have been shouted at by Bill O'Reilly and called a RINO by today's gop.

Perhaps, but today's GOP doesn't own the historical "right wing", and building nuclear missiles to bring down the federal debt isn't exactly the product of a left wing world view, then or now.

No "perhaps" about it! We'd still be on muddy roads and crumbling narrow streets if today's gop was able to stop Ike's Interstate Highway plan.


Ike's Interstate Highway Plan would be held up for CENTURIES thanks to environmental impact studies and the presence of endangered worms in Nebraska, and a rare root vegetable in California.  Neither party would let the interstates be built today without a huge fight.
 
2013-04-29 11:05:36 AM  
Republicans will brazenly credit Bush for killing Osama and Anwar al-Awlaki in 5-10 years. Count on it.
 
2013-04-29 11:08:09 AM  

another cultural observer: Plenty of historical left-leaning figures held views which, by today's standards, would be unacceptable to the DNC. The DNC would TOTALLY "drum out" many, many historical democrats for not being "pure" democrats by today's standards. Something about the South and racial bigotry.


Really?  Name one.

(Note:  pre-civil rights era southern Democrats were not "left-leaning")
 
2013-04-29 11:08:55 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: baka-san: Lionel Mandrake: TV's Vinnie: another cultural observer: Citrate1007: Conservatives aren't very good at history or math.

They make up for it with their oil paintings.

You know who also was right wing and did paintings?

This guy?

[www.simonbrushfield.com image 460x276]

another cultural observer: www.menospalvos.lt

Both would be drummed out of the GOB now for not being "pure"

Both great men, though I can find some faults with both.

GOB?

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 259x194]

COME ON!!


THey are no longer the Grand Old Party.

Now they are Geriatric Odious Bastards.

another cultural observer: Plenty of historical left-leaning figures held views which, by today's standards, would be unacceptable to the DNC. The DNC would TOTALLY "drum out" many, many historical democrats for not being "pure" democrats by today's standards. Something about the South and racial bigotry.


But you don't see the DNC waxing poetic  about Thurmond or Wallace.

Unlike the Republicans and Reagan...

Who would also be run out of the party on a rail.
 
2013-04-29 11:09:29 AM  

another cultural observer: No "perhaps" about it! We'd still be on muddy roads and crumbling narrow streets if today's gop was able to stop Ike's Interstate Highway plan.

Ike's Interstate Highway Plan would be held up for CENTURIES thanks to environmental impact studies and the presence of endangered worms in Nebraska, and a rare root vegetable in California.  Neither party would let the interstates be built today without a huge fight.


Those are the nefarious lawyers who leverage a reasonable and sensible environmental impact report request to squeeze out money from the government. They have nothing to do with the left other than using the left's reasonable requests for investigating the environmental impacts to extract extortion money. The left does not work with them, nor does the left accept their use.
 
2013-04-29 11:12:05 AM  
My favorite bit of conservative doublethink is over where to lay the blame for the 9/11 attacks. Most of the same people who were screeching "WAG THE DOG! WAG THE DOG! HE'S DIVERTING ATTENTION FROM HIS BJS!" when Clinton was launching cruise missiles at Islamic extremists toward the end of his watch are the same morons who immediately turned around and blamed him for "doing nothing" and allowing it to happen when the attacks occurred (while simultaneously venerating the guy who was on vacation with his entire cabinet for a month before the attacks and who refused to view the intel for months before that because the procedures forced the intelligence community to brief multiple layers of underlings before bringing anything to the cabinet level).

And this is exactly the sort of thing that has kept me from voting for a single republican candidate on any governmental level for nearly ten years now. Conservatives have just become so thoroughly and maliciously dishonest in their crazy attempts to maintain ideological purity that I cannot fathom how it could possibly be in my best interests to ever vote for one again. Even the worst democrats are better than the best republicans because giving an honest republican an office seems to only accomplish one of two things anymore:

1. A one-term "RINO" who gets chased out for not adhering to the party line 100%
or
2. An extra party-line vote that indirectly assists the lunatics

When it comes down to it, even if you can ignore their endlessly hateful, slanderous assaults on minorities, women and the poor and their seeming ability to do nothing except block "anything a democrats wants" I just don't see where there's any room in their party ideology anymore for anything that could benefit me.
 
2013-04-29 11:15:44 AM  

dericwater: another cultural observer: No "perhaps" about it! We'd still be on muddy roads and crumbling narrow streets if today's gop was able to stop Ike's Interstate Highway plan.

Ike's Interstate Highway Plan would be held up for CENTURIES thanks to environmental impact studies and the presence of endangered worms in Nebraska, and a rare root vegetable in California.  Neither party would let the interstates be built today without a huge fight.

Those are the nefarious lawyers who leverage a reasonable and sensible environmental impact report request to squeeze out money from the government. They have nothing to do with the left other than using the left's reasonable requests for investigating the environmental impacts to extract extortion money. The left does not work with them, nor does the left accept their use.


Lionel Mandrake: another cultural observer: Plenty of historical left-leaning figures held views which, by today's standards, would be unacceptable to the DNC. The DNC would TOTALLY "drum out" many, many historical democrats for not being "pure" democrats by today's standards. Something about the South and racial bigotry.

Really?  Name one.

(Note:  pre-civil rights era southern Democrats were not "left-leaning")


But were they democrats? yes.  And would they be "drummed out"? yes.  I'll admit I erred in including political ideology in a discussion about political parties, and I'm not going to get into a fight with you regarding whether or not Robert Byrd was left-leaning or not.  Democrats were the party of the poor and downtrodden (white folks), many of whom really liked unions.

Irregardlessly, both parties would "drum out" many of their past figures.  If we can agree on that point, I've gotten what I wanted out of the conversation.

Both sides are bad, so invent time travel and find a decent politician from back when at least once side was decent (good luck) and bring that politician into the present so he can fix things for us.

BSABSITTAFADPFBWATOSWD(GL)ABTPITPSHCFTFU.
 
2013-04-29 11:19:38 AM  

dericwater: another cultural observer: No "perhaps" about it! We'd still be on muddy roads and crumbling narrow streets if today's gop was able to stop Ike's Interstate Highway plan.

Ike's Interstate Highway Plan would be held up for CENTURIES thanks to environmental impact studies and the presence of endangered worms in Nebraska, and a rare root vegetable in California.  Neither party would let the interstates be built today without a huge fight.

Those are the nefarious lawyers who leverage a reasonable and sensible environmental impact report request to squeeze out money from the government. They have nothing to do with the left other than using the left's reasonable requests for investigating the environmental impacts to extract extortion money. The left does not work with them, nor does the left accept their use.


The Sierra Club is nefarious?
 
2013-04-29 11:21:14 AM  

another cultural observer: But were they democrats? yes. And would they be "drummed out"? yes.


Yes, they were, yes they would, and rightfully so.

But Republicans worship a guy that they would never accept, so there's that extra layer of stupidity and/or hypocrisy.

Democrats do not have fond memories of segregationist Dems, most of whom became Republicans, anyway.
 
2013-04-29 11:23:02 AM  
Does his portrait show blood on his hands?
 
2013-04-29 11:25:14 AM  

guilt by association: Republicans will brazenly credit Bush for killing Osama and Anwar al-Awlaki in 5-10 years. Count on it.


Why wait?  They're doing it now.

Also, I think the GOP will take credit for Obamacare in about 10 - 15 years.  ("It was our idea all along!  It's Romneycare!")
 
2013-04-29 11:28:40 AM  

another cultural observer: Ike's Interstate Highway Plan would be held up for CENTURIES thanks to environmental impact studies and the presence of endangered worms in Nebraska, and a rare root vegetable in California.  Neither party would let the interstates be built today without a huge fight.


the same goes for EVERYTHING in human society
EVERY major city destroyed HUGE ecosystems
roads and rails, same
pyramids?

ALL farms destroyed HUGE ecosystems

all of human history is a collection of slash, burn, raze, plow, build on top of
/whatever
 
2013-04-29 11:29:16 AM  

another cultural observer: dericwater: another cultural observer: No "perhaps" about it! We'd still be on muddy roads and crumbling narrow streets if today's gop was able to stop Ike's Interstate Highway plan.

Ike's Interstate Highway Plan would be held up for CENTURIES thanks to environmental impact studies and the presence of endangered worms in Nebraska, and a rare root vegetable in California.  Neither party would let the interstates be built today without a huge fight.

Those are the nefarious lawyers who leverage a reasonable and sensible environmental impact report request to squeeze out money from the government. They have nothing to do with the left other than using the left's reasonable requests for investigating the environmental impacts to extract extortion money. The left does not work with them, nor does the left accept their use.

The Sierra Club is nefarious?


At first, they were genuine. Then the lawyers took over. Even the founders of the Sierra Club have nothing good to say about the Sierra Club now. This is one of the non-profits that had noble deeds at the start and is now nothing more than a money-raking scheme run by lawyers.
 
2013-04-29 11:30:53 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: another cultural observer: But were they democrats? yes. And would they be "drummed out"? yes.

Yes, they were, yes they would, and rightfully so.

But Republicans worship a guy that they would never accept, so there's that extra layer of stupidity and/or hypocrisy.

Democrats do not have fond memories of segregationist Dems, most of whom became Republicans, anyway.


I'm going to disagree with you.  If Reagan were re-animated (or brought forward courtesy of the Political Time Machine discussed above), and back to his spry young 98, or however old he was in 1983, republicans would ignore the attack ads, ignore the parts of his politics they disagreed with, and vote for Reagan as soon as the Constitution was amended to allow a 3rd term.  They wouldn't even have to raise money to get him elected.

The novelty of electing a time-traveling president would trump any political differences.
 
2013-04-29 11:32:19 AM  

another cultural observer: Irregardlessly, both parties would "drum out" many of their past figures. If we can agree on that point, I've gotten what I wanted out of the conversation.


No, not really. The democrats didn't "drum out" the racists. The southern racists got pissed off and left of their own volition when the party started to embrace civil rights. The democrats didn't drum them out, they just sort of said "Well, bye." when they left.

The republicans, on the other hand, did actively drum out some of their people. Specifically, the smart people. Because they decided back in the 70s that they could win more elections with numerical superiority if they just opened the doors and let ever bible-beating, racist, inbred yahoo into the fold. Which worked fine until the nutjobs decided that they were tired of being paid lip service to and actually started to take over the party's direction. Now every republican that wants to focus on something practical instead of a woman's cervix or whether or not the clean-shaven neighbor with the Subaru is banging his poker buddies gets chased away as a "RINO".
 
2013-04-29 11:36:53 AM  

guilt by association: Republicans will brazenly credit Bush for killing Osama and Anwar al-Awlaki in 5-10 years. Count on it.


"Larry, I'm not going to go there and here's why: because Pakistan is a sovereign nation."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/05/02/972229/-John-McCain-said-he -w ouldn-t-go-after-Bin-Laden-in-Pakistan

bush, clearly DID NOT go into pakistan to get bin laden.

Only Obama Could go into Pakistan.
 
2013-04-29 11:37:06 AM  

another cultural observer: TV's Vinnie: another cultural observer: TV's Vinnie: another cultural observer: TV's Vinnie: another cultural observer: Citrate1007: Conservatives aren't very good at history or math.

They make up for it with their oil paintings.

You know who also was right wing and did paintings?

[www.menospalvos.lt image 600x400]

Ike would have been shouted at by Bill O'Reilly and called a RINO by today's gop.

Perhaps, but today's GOP doesn't own the historical "right wing", and building nuclear missiles to bring down the federal debt isn't exactly the product of a left wing world view, then or now.

No "perhaps" about it! We'd still be on muddy roads and crumbling narrow streets if today's gop was able to stop Ike's Interstate Highway plan.

Ike's Interstate Highway Plan would be held up for CENTURIES thanks to environmental impact studies and the presence of endangered worms in Nebraska, and a rare root vegetable in California.  Neither party would let the interstates be built today without a huge fight.


Give it up, brah. The requisites to be in today's gop make it impossible for another Ike, Lincoln, or even another Reagan to happen.
 
2013-04-29 11:37:28 AM  

another cultural observer: Lionel Mandrake: another cultural observer: But were they democrats? yes. And would they be "drummed out"? yes.

Yes, they were, yes they would, and rightfully so.

But Republicans worship a guy that they would never accept, so there's that extra layer of stupidity and/or hypocrisy.

Democrats do not have fond memories of segregationist Dems, most of whom became Republicans, anyway.

I'm going to disagree with you.  If Reagan were re-animated (or brought forward courtesy of the Political Time Machine discussed above), and back to his spry young 98, or however old he was in 1983, republicans would ignore the attack ads, ignore the parts of his politics they disagreed with, and vote for Reagan as soon as the Constitution was amended to allow a 3rd term.  They wouldn't even have to raise money to get him elected.

The novelty of electing a time-traveling president would trump any political differences.


You mean 1988?

I'm talking about now, with the current teabagger-run GOP.  I don't think they would go for a guy who raised taxes and granted amnesty to illegals.

That's the stupidity/hypocrisy.  He did things that would automatically disqualify him today, yet they practically worship the guy.
 
2013-04-29 11:42:17 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: You mean 1988?

I'm talking about now, with the current teabagger-run GOP.  I don't think they would go for a guy who raised taxes and granted amnesty to illegals.

That's the stupidity/hypocrisy.  He did things that would automatically disqualify him today, yet they practically worship the guy.


The TEAOP would definitely go for a guy who raised taxes and granted amnesty to illegal aliens. The TEAOP had and has never decided anything based on the position of the candidate, just whether they're R or D. Remember, when they first started, the claim was that they're a new third party who will hold both established political parties (the GOP and the Dems) to account. Instead, we soon realized they were an astroturf group that toed the GOP line on every item, except for the one item of making compromises with the other party.

If the GOP said, "we're for rape" the TEAOP would support that. If the GOP said, "we'll kill medicare", the TEAOP would support that. Heck, not only would they support that, they were the instigators for such wild positions.
 
2013-04-29 11:43:20 AM  

skozlaw: another cultural observer: Irregardlessly, both parties would "drum out" many of their past figures. If we can agree on that point, I've gotten what I wanted out of the conversation.

No, not really. The democrats didn't "drum out" the racists. The southern racists got pissed off and left of their own volition when the party started to embrace civil rights. The democrats didn't drum them out, they just sort of said "Well, bye." when they left.

The republicans, on the other hand, did actively drum out some of their people. Specifically, the smart people. Because they decided back in the 70s that they could win more elections with numerical superiority if they just opened the doors and let ever bible-beating, racist, inbred yahoo into the fold. Which worked fine until the nutjobs decided that they were tired of being paid lip service to and actually started to take over the party's direction. Now every republican that wants to focus on something practical instead of a woman's cervix or whether or not the clean-shaven neighbor with the Subaru is banging his poker buddies gets chased away as a "RINO".


So, the DNC's tent includes racists, and the GOP's tent includes racists.  I'm happy we've achieved equilibrium.
 
2013-04-29 11:46:34 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: another cultural observer: Lionel Mandrake: another cultural observer: But were they democrats? yes. And would they be "drummed out"? yes.

Yes, they were, yes they would, and rightfully so.

But Republicans worship a guy that they would never accept, so there's that extra layer of stupidity and/or hypocrisy.

Democrats do not have fond memories of segregationist Dems, most of whom became Republicans, anyway.

I'm going to disagree with you.  If Reagan were re-animated (or brought forward courtesy of the Political Time Machine discussed above), and back to his spry young 98, or however old he was in 1983, republicans would ignore the attack ads, ignore the parts of his politics they disagreed with, and vote for Reagan as soon as the Constitution was amended to allow a 3rd term.  They wouldn't even have to raise money to get him elected.

The novelty of electing a time-traveling president would trump any political differences.

You mean 1988?

I'm talking about now, with the current teabagger-run GOP.  I don't think they would go for a guy who raised taxes and granted amnesty to illegals.

That's the stupidity/hypocrisy.  He did things that would automatically disqualify him today, yet they practically worship the guy.


"however old he was in 1983" was a clause distinct from the subsequent clause (denoted by a comma) regarding republicans/voting.  It's got to be read in the context of the paragraph and prior posts, however.  That might make things clearer, though I admit I'm writing off the cuff.

I stand by my belief that a time traveling Reagan from 1983 would prevail if the constitution was amended to allow him to run.  We're dealing in realms of fantasy (if he's a zombie) or physics (if its time travel), but I wasn't the one to bring up either hypothetical.
 
2013-04-29 11:55:09 AM  

another cultural observer: I stand by my belief that a time traveling Reagan from 1983 would prevail if the constitution was amended to allow him to run. We're dealing in realms of fantasy (if he's a zombie) or physics (if its time travel), but I wasn't the one to bring up either hypothetical.


I never once mentioned time-traveling zombies.
 
2013-04-29 11:59:09 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: another cultural observer: I stand by my belief that a time traveling Reagan from 1983 would prevail if the constitution was amended to allow him to run. We're dealing in realms of fantasy (if he's a zombie) or physics (if its time travel), but I wasn't the one to bring up either hypothetical.

I never once mentioned time-traveling zombies.


It's more of an either/or thing, but someone (can't be bothered to look up) stated that republicans would never elect reagan if he were around today.  Well, what other methods of "reagan being around today" can you think of?  I'm open to other suggestions, but the two obvious ones are zombie or time travel.

I mean, if we're saying that Reagan was never elected back in the 80's, and was simply a man named Reagan who was running around not dead today...he'd have to be born decades later and probably have a very different worldview than 80's Reagan.  For all intents and purposes, he wouldn't be the same Reagan.  But the kicker is that this Not-Reagan is then compared to 80's Reagan as if they are in fact the same, when they simply can't be...but for the possibility of zombies or time travel.
 
2013-04-29 12:00:01 PM  

Bf+: Mentat: That's the whole point of the Bush Library.  It's not a historical archive, it's a 24-hour propaganda mill slash "think tank".

Which I think, in time, could potentially be a good thing.
Maybe history will judge the Bush Libary for what it is.


backyardcarnivals.com
 
2013-04-29 12:13:22 PM  
another cultural observer:

So, the DNC's tent includes racists, and the GOP's tent includes racists.  I'm happy we've achieved equilibrium.

Both sides are bad, so vote Republican?
One side said:

i0.kym-cdn.com

other side was all:

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-29 12:17:51 PM  

Witty_Retort: another cultural observer:

So, the DNC's tent includes racists, and the GOP's tent includes racists.  I'm happy we've achieved equilibrium.

Both sides are bad, so vote Republican?
One side said:

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 299x156]

other side was all:

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x244]


No, no, no.  I already went over this!

Both sides are bad, so invent time travel and find a decent politician from back when at least once side was decent (good luck) and bring that politician into the present so he can fix things for us.

BSABSITTAFADPFBWATOSWD(GL)ABTPITPSHCFTFU.
 
2013-04-29 12:44:32 PM  

HairBolus: Ah, right wing memory:

[crooksandliars.com image 720x321]




You mean blaming the violence on a YouTube video nobody saw?
 
2013-04-29 12:57:39 PM  
No. Will not click on a DailyKOS, American Thinker, NewsBuster, or any other Paid Provacatuer website.

Only Farkers can prevent asinine flame-bait greenlights.
 
2013-04-29 02:47:32 PM  

another cultural observer: Perhaps, but today's GOP doesn't own the historical "right wing", and building nuclear missiles to bring down the federal debt isn't exactly the product of a left wing world view, then or now.


Yet, he  still managed to be further left than any president we've had since, except Jimmy Carter.
 
2013-04-29 05:08:02 PM  

another cultural observer: It's more of an either/or thing, but someone (can't be bothered to look up) stated that republicans would never elect reagan if he were around today. Well, what other methods of "reagan being around today" can you think of? I'm open to other suggestions, but the two obvious ones are zombie or time travel.


Virtual reality AI simulation? Cloning and artificial memory engram encoding? Crossover from a parallel universe where they discovered lifespan extension drugs and he's still alive? Robot duplicate? DNA reading metamorphic alien impostor? Technological resurrection of his frozen corpse after a cure for Alzheimer's is discovered and strong antigeronic drugs are invented in this universe? D&D style resurrection magic? Straight-out magic duplicate?

TV Tropes may have additional possibilities...
 
2013-04-29 05:15:01 PM  

KiltedBastich: another cultural observer: It's more of an either/or thing, but someone (can't be bothered to look up) stated that republicans would never elect reagan if he were around today. Well, what other methods of "reagan being around today" can you think of? I'm open to other suggestions, but the two obvious ones are zombie or time travel.

Virtual reality AI simulation? Cloning and artificial memory engram encoding? Crossover from a parallel universe where they discovered lifespan extension drugs and he's still alive? Robot duplicate? DNA reading metamorphic alien impostor? Technological resurrection of his frozen corpse after a cure for Alzheimer's is discovered and strong antigeronic drugs are invented in this universe? D&D style resurrection magic? Straight-out magic duplicate?

TV Tropes may have additional possibilities...


The all-important first step, so that his re-appearance and re-election can actually be tested, is for the U.S. population to somehow accept that there is a new Reagan running around.  It's got to be "natural" for the voters or else the entire idea of "they'd never vote for him again" would be moot, as non-humans can't run for president and the magic duplicate might have issues regarding his age (ie, how old is a magic duplicate that you created 1 hour ago?).  The first question would be "what are you doing here?", followed immediately by a constitutional crisis once he opted to enter the presidential race.
 
2013-04-29 05:21:29 PM  

another cultural observer: The all-important first step, so that his re-appearance and re-election can actually be tested, is for the U.S. population to somehow accept that there is a new Reagan running around. It's got to be "natural" for the voters or else the entire idea of "they'd never vote for him again" would be moot, as non-humans can't run for president and the magic duplicate might have issues regarding his age (ie, how old is a magic duplicate that you created 1 hour ago?). The first question would be "what are you doing here?", followed immediately by a constitutional crisis once he opted to enter the presidential race.


Incidentally, that would rule out zombie Reagan, as technically he'd still be dead.

That still leaves cloning, parallel universes, technological resurrection, magic resurrection, and alien imposters able to masquerage as human, in addition to time travel. I'd say you've got plenty of possibilities to choose from!
 
2013-04-29 05:23:52 PM  

KiltedBastich: another cultural observer: The all-important first step, so that his re-appearance and re-election can actually be tested, is for the U.S. population to somehow accept that there is a new Reagan running around. It's got to be "natural" for the voters or else the entire idea of "they'd never vote for him again" would be moot, as non-humans can't run for president and the magic duplicate might have issues regarding his age (ie, how old is a magic duplicate that you created 1 hour ago?). The first question would be "what are you doing here?", followed immediately by a constitutional crisis once he opted to enter the presidential race.

Incidentally, that would rule out zombie Reagan, as technically he'd still be dead.

That still leaves cloning, parallel universes, technological resurrection, magic resurrection, and alien imposters able to masquerage as human, in addition to time travel. I'd say you've got plenty of possibilities to choose from!


"Masquerage" sounds like the name of a failed screamo band.
 
2013-04-29 05:27:40 PM  

another cultural observer: "Masquerage" sounds like the name of a failed screamo band.


Or a classic goth cover band. Maybe emo.
 
2013-04-29 05:30:27 PM  
http://www.masquerage.org/

At first glance it's SFW.  Rockin the fairgrounds!
 
2013-04-29 05:34:29 PM  

another cultural observer: http://www.masquerage.org/

At first glance it's SFW.  Rockin the fairgrounds!



Interesting. I suppose that's a relatively obvious portmanteau, in the end. So, now that we've completely jacked the thread, what next?
 
2013-04-29 05:38:53 PM  

KiltedBastich: another cultural observer: http://www.masquerage.org/

At first glance it's SFW.  Rockin the fairgrounds!


Interesting. I suppose that's a relatively obvious portmanteau, in the end. So, now that we've completely jacked the thread, what next?


I have no idea.  My threadsh*tting parts might be broken.
 
2013-04-29 07:36:39 PM  

another cultural observer: So, the DNC's tent includes racists, and the GOP's tent includes racists. I'm happy we've achieved equilibrium.


Whatever you say, Captain Tollhard.
 
2013-04-29 09:45:39 PM  

dericwater: another cultural observer: dericwater: another cultural observer: No "perhaps" about it! We'd still be on muddy roads and crumbling narrow streets if today's gop was able to stop Ike's Interstate Highway plan.

Ike's Interstate Highway Plan would be held up for CENTURIES thanks to environmental impact studies and the presence of endangered worms in Nebraska, and a rare root vegetable in California.  Neither party would let the interstates be built today without a huge fight.

Those are the nefarious lawyers who leverage a reasonable and sensible environmental impact report request to squeeze out money from the government. They have nothing to do with the left other than using the left's reasonable requests for investigating the environmental impacts to extract extortion money. The left does not work with them, nor does the left accept their use.

The Sierra Club is nefarious?

At first, they were genuine. Then the lawyers took over. Even the founders of the Sierra Club have nothing good to say about the Sierra Club now. This is one of the non-profits that had noble deeds at the start and is now nothing more than a money-raking scheme run by lawyers.


That's interesting. I've noticed the Sierra Club seemed a little cozy with some wealthy people threatened by eminent domain here, but chalked it up to a coincidental meeting of the minds (despite the junket or two). I've also been sort of wondering where they've been on a couple other projects that seemed at least as worthy of fighting. Oh well, I'm sure they can't do everything....but I think I'll do a little more digging now. Thanks.
 
2013-04-30 08:19:26 AM  

Giltric: Bush didn't inherit a recession, he inherited a couple bubbles that were bursting and/or about to burst.


9/10
Nicely done.
 
2013-04-30 03:01:57 PM  

zenobia: At first, they were genuine. Then the lawyers took over. Even the founders of the Sierra Club have nothing good to say about the Sierra Club now. This is one of the non-profits that had noble deeds at the start and is now nothing more than a money-raking scheme run by lawyers.

That's interesting. I've noticed the Sierra Club seemed a little cozy with some wealthy people threatened by eminent domain here, but chalked it up to a coincidental meeting of the minds (despite the junket or two). I've also been sort of wondering where they've been on a couple other projects that seemed at least as worthy of fighting. Oh well, I'm sure they can't do everything....but I think I'll do a little more digging now. Thanks.


Yeah, that's pretty much the entire modus operandi of the environmental law field. Check out the real story behind the Hinkley, CA, case for example.
 
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