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2013-04-29 09:24:52 AM
50 votes:
Dear Mr. Jones:

I presume that you came to your faith through reading, reflection, and prayer. I too, spent a good amount of time reading, reflecting, and praying. Somehow, even though we both did the same thing, I heard a different call.

I did not hear a chorus of angels unraveling a singular path in front of me that led to a legion of evangelical Christian angels blowing trumpets over the burned corpses of false religions. I read a story a man who preached kindness, and gentleness, and forgiveness. Who told me that if a man stepped up and slapped me across my face, I should turn my other cheek to him. Who told me that if a thief robs me of my jacket, give him my shirt as well. Who told me to love my enemies and worship in private. Who loved those who sought him harm, not raising his hand to them as they punished, tortured and killed him.

Those are lofty principles that I have tried to uphold. I do so with the knowledge that my faith is my own, and I accept that others will choose to believe as they will, even if they choose to believe only what can be shown and proven. This is their right and I respect that. I do not care that I am more or less correct than them, only that I live a life that benefits those around me.

I hope that the structure of the universe is such that all of us in some way become better with experience, including a consciousness and knowledge that transcends death, and brings us closer to perfection. I hope that the structure of the universe is such that justice is meted out perfectly in time, that the poor may be comforted and the rich humbled. That the cruel ones feel and understand the pain they caused and the humble ones encouraged.

I cannot say what Christianity is. I only know what I want to become.
2013-04-29 09:34:48 AM
17 votes:
Keep evangelizing, soon you won't have any friends to feel guilty for.
2013-04-29 09:23:47 AM
10 votes:
1. Here's the easiest one: Stop being a part of a church

Hey wow, that was easy. Thanks, pastor.
2013-04-29 10:18:25 AM
6 votes:

Cheron: I'm going to hell and I'm OK with that. When I was younger I saw the Exorcist and at one point the demon looks at the priest and says, "your mother does acts of perversion in hell."  So hell might be bad but they get recreation breaks


I'm going to rot, personally, except there won't be an "I" to contemplate that. Because, you know, I'll be dead, and that's the end of me. The container breaks, but the consciousness isn't a magic vapour that flies off to a celestial customs gate; it's part of the container, and ceases to exist. If I'm wrong, I guess I'll find out. Or not. Whatever.

I'll do my best to arrange to rot in a forest, as being tree food and squirrel snacks seems fair, given all the wood, paper and critters I've used. I'll try to arrange for a crate of single malt for my surviving friends and kin to toast my memory. Aside from that, I'm not much bothered about it. Along with "slowing the rotation of the Earth", it's not something I can easily alter, only perhaps defer for a few years through diet and exercise.

All this jibber-jabber about Jeebus and Heck and eternal hot-sauced judgement just eats up valuable time that would be better used by being less of a dickhead while in meat form, or picking up trash, or scratching a dog's ear, or slipping on a condom, any of which are superior life choices to participating in sick mind cults/fundie behaviour of any stripe.
2013-04-29 09:58:53 AM
6 votes:
CSB time.

From my first day of school to the time I was old enough to get my school permit, I rode the bus with a girl who was the kindest, most open and tolerant person I'd ever met.  She got engaged to some born-again Christian guy and the next thing you know, she's saying things like "Schindler's list was sad, sure, but they're all going to hell anyway."  And then she invited me to meet up and catch up before the wedding.

Turns out she just wanted to pray for me and tell me she was worried I was going to hell.

/Hallmark doesn't make "You really need to get a divorce before it's too late" card.
//So I sent my own.
2013-04-29 09:53:37 AM
6 votes:
brianjones.com
Even as a little kid I would look at these people and think "they really believe they're talking to someone who is there?  I just don't get it."  30 years later, I still don't get it.  Sundays should be spent with friends and family, not handing money to a tax free organization.
2013-04-29 11:11:37 AM
5 votes:
The idea that people need to be saved by faith and not by works is one of the most immoral, toxic concepts in all of civilization. It puts blind fealty over any sort of action or ideals of how to help others. It presents a god who is cruel, capricious, and holds his creations to standards that have nothing to do with how they treat each other and everything to do with how they bolster its ego. Saying god loves you because he forgives you is like saying your marriage is going well because your husband doesn't break your jaw as long as you make his sandwiches just right.
2013-04-29 11:00:28 AM
5 votes:
11. Realize that the concept of Hell is such a horrible thing that it CANNOT be reconciled with a God who is even remotely loving and just. Any Creator who would create it is inherently evil and does not deserve worship.
2013-04-29 09:58:59 AM
5 votes:

WhoopAssWayne: Ah yes, another enlightening thread with the fark teenaged atheists.

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Don't worry - it's just a stage. Once you grow up a little more, you'll get over it.


Ummm ... the thread is about and article written by a pastor who is sarcastically chastising christians for not being annoying enough to non-believers.

How is this an atheist thread? Or is that your standard knee-jerk response to every story on religion ... "Those darn atheists might have a opinion on this story so I must be a good christian and call them teenagers before they even post anything!!".
2013-04-29 09:56:13 AM
5 votes:
11. Live like Jesus commanded, loving everyone (including your enemies) as you love yourself, and bearing the Fruits of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control) in such abundance that people ask you how it is that your light shines before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

Or just threaten anybody who you don't like with eternal damnation where the fire burneth eternally, and the worm dieth not, beseeching them to be perfect, like you.  That'll work.
2013-04-29 01:50:44 PM
4 votes:

abfalter: Repo Man: It really is astonishing to me that anyone can believe in the concept of a place of never ending torment. A place that a "loving god" condemns you to for the most trivial reasons.


I am not a believer but if I did there is no way that I would worship a god that would punish you for an infinite amount of torment for a finite number of sins.

I would not worship a god that is supposed to be all powerful yet allows such torment to exist.

I would fear such a being.  I might even obey it, out of fear.  But I would not love it.


This is a huge part of what drove me away from Christianity and into Paganism. I believe in a Deity, but I believe in an ultimate  parent, not an abusive shiatstain like that god. I definitely don't believe that a religion that causes that much personal and social harm is one that's created by any god. There's a lot of guilt-tripping that goes on in Catholicism, but while I was converting to Paganism, I realized that, if the Christian doctrines were right, well, I'd go to Hell proud that I'd chosen to believe that the ultimate power was good and loving. Maybe not the smartest choice, but it was the only one I could live with.

/Which is one way to get rid of pseudo-brainwashing, I guess...
2013-04-29 10:45:09 AM
4 votes:
We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the farking irony in that
2013-04-29 10:14:27 AM
4 votes:
Follow these four things and you should be ok, religious or not.

1) don't be a dick
2) don't be a dick
3) don't be a dick
and finally the big #4) don't be a dick

This includes not judging others for the beliefs (or lack of), and in general, you could probably simplify it to a single item: don't be a dick.

Problem is, most fail # 1 and 2 almost right away, some manage those, but then fail at 3 and/or 4.
2013-04-29 10:05:58 AM
4 votes:

Repo Man: It really is astonishing to me that anyone can believe in the concept of a place of never ending torment. A place that a "loving god" condemns you to for the most trivial reasons.



I am not a believer but if I did there is no way that I would worship a god that would punish you for an infinite amount of torment for a finite number of sins.

I would not worship a god that is supposed to be all powerful yet allows such torment to exist.

I would fear such a being.  I might even obey it, out of fear.  But I would not love it.
2013-04-29 09:56:43 AM
4 votes:
It really is astonishing to me that anyone can believe in the concept of a place of never ending torment. A place that a "loving god" condemns you to for the most trivial reasons.

This individualism culminated in the doctrine of the immortality of the individual soul, which was to enjoy hereafter endless bliss or endless woe according to circumstances. The circumstances upon which this momentous difference depended were somewhat curious. For example, if you died immediately after a priest had sprinkled water upon you while pronouncing certain words, you inherited eternal bliss; whereas, if after a long and virtuous life you happened to be struck by lightning at a moment when you were using bad language because you had broken a bootlace, you would inherit eternal torment. I do not say that the modern Protestant Christian believes this, nor even perhaps the modern Catholic Christian who has not been adequately instructed in theology; but I do say that this is the orthodox doctrine and was firmly believed until recent times. The Spaniards in Mexico and Peru used to baptize Indian infants and then immediately dash their brains out: by this means they secured that these infants went to Heaven. No orthodox Christian can find any logical reason for condemning their action, although all nowadays do so. In countless ways the doctrine of personal immortality in its Christian form has had disastrous effects upon morals, and the metaphysical separation of soul and body has had disastrous effects upon philosophy.

Has Religion Made Useful Contributions to Civilization?
2013-04-29 01:56:53 PM
3 votes:
If Heaven is filled with douchbags like this guy and Hell is filled with awesome guys like Freddie Mercury, NPH, and Carl Sagen, then I'm pretty sure I know where I'd rather end up.

/can't go to Hell since I don't believe in it....
2013-04-29 12:15:57 PM
3 votes:
Strangely absent: abandon your bronze-age mythology and its primitive revenge fantasies.
2013-04-29 10:51:22 AM
3 votes:
And this is why atheists should go full douche on religion. These people need to be openly mocked and ridiculed of for their wild imaginations just like alien abduction and Sasquatch believers.
2013-04-29 10:47:09 AM
3 votes:

Carn: DubtodaIll: Well I can say this, without religion we'd all be bored as hell.

I've never played a religious video game so I think we can refute this statement.  Just started playing the PC port of Brutal Legend, it is entertaining.


But discovering monotheism gives you such a boost, as long as you can build the Oracle and get your free tech.
2013-04-29 10:11:44 AM
3 votes:
Wow it's no wonder that most religious organizations have shrinking numbers of members. Treating your own members with disdain and using passive aggressive sarcasm to shame them isn't the best way to get people on your side.  I mean if you have a problem with the actions of your congregation tell them. Don't be a whiny douche about it and the act all surprised when they think you are a whiny douche and stop showing up.
2013-04-29 10:04:37 AM
3 votes:
Passive Aggressive Pastor is passive aggressive.
2013-04-29 10:03:36 AM
3 votes:
When I was a Christian, I (along with all my Christian friends) used to do this. When someone would die that you knew wasn't "saved", one of the first things we would say is "I just can't stand the thought of him/her not being in heaven". Isn't that sick? That's the most IMPORTANT thing we could think about when someone passed?? UGH. I'm so glad I don't live that life anymore.
2013-04-29 10:02:21 AM
3 votes:
Jesus constantly talked about the afterlife, especially hell.

*sigh*
He also had a problem with self-righteousness, but you didn't let that stop you now, did it?
2013-04-29 10:01:09 AM
3 votes:
Cythraul: "What the fark did I just read?"

Poe's Law, Exhibit A?
2013-04-29 09:55:53 AM
3 votes:
"7. Dabble in other religions, especially Buddhism. Buddhists are cool. You don't have to believe in God and there are no hard demands made on your life. Of course keep your Christian "cover" (most of your friends are Christians, and, quite frankly, it's good for business contacts), but don't let the Christianity thing go to your head. It's all pretty much the same thing. "

Yeah, damn straight... it's a lot of effort to learn how your friends and neighbors process and interpret subjective concepts like morals or ethics before berating them on a daily basis for not believing exactly the same crap your parents force-fed you as a child.
2013-04-29 09:45:02 AM
3 votes:
I wish that was serious advice from a real preacher that christians would all listen to.

/really
2013-04-29 12:57:32 PM
2 votes:

alowishus: Which of these is the better person?

1. A Christian that believes I'm going to suffer for eternity, and tries to help me?
2. A Christian that believes I'm going to suffer for eternity, and does nothing for fear of being labeled a "dick"?



The second.  His irrational fears are his own problem, and I am not interested in having him share that problem with me.  Thanks for asking!
2013-04-29 12:50:17 PM
2 votes:

alowishus: Which of these is the better person?

1. A Christian that believes I'm going to suffer for eternity, and tries to help me?
2. A Christian that believes I'm going to suffer for eternity, and does nothing for fear of being labeled a "dick"?


You know what #1 really is?  A Christian who believes they won't get to heaven unless they try to help you.
2013-04-29 12:36:53 PM
2 votes:
When you die.. you die. That's it. Lights out. Maybe whatever your last few moments of conscious thought were will remain somehow with you for what feels like eternity.. maybe. So, try to make them nice. Other than that... there's no guy with a book judging you. There's no Bespin looking cloud city, nor any Mustaffar looking volcano planet. Just blackness, unconsciousness, nothingness and decay.

It sucks. I wish there were more. I wish there were reward for the just and punishment for the wicked, but it certainly seems unlikely.
2013-04-29 12:25:27 PM
2 votes:

Langston: not raising his hand to them as they punished, tortured and killed him.


Which is what happens.  Jesus' philosophy only works if a very large percentage of people participate.  Otherwise, you end up like him:  no jacket or shirt, two slapped cheeks, and oh yeah, crucified.  Now you're dead and for what?  The hope that the people who did it will get theirs in a hypothetical afterlife?  Hey, it's your life and you can waste it trying to love people who don't give a single shiat that you're a living, conscious being.  Empathy is necessary and understanding is important, but if someone robs or attacks me, I'm going to stand up for myself.
2013-04-29 11:53:03 AM
2 votes:
What I most hate about these kinds of posts is that they're guilty of the very sin they so freely use to condemn others.

The Bible is just packed full of verses that say you'd flaunt your religion.  You're told to pray indoors with the doors closed and not to proclaim your religion on street corners are the marketplace because that's what hypocrites do.  So this guy comes along and loudly proclaims his religion in public while, at the same time, saying that people cherry pick their Bible verses to support whatever religious belief they have.

Yes, sir, they most certainly do.
2013-04-29 11:51:52 AM
2 votes:

Dr Dreidel: God Is My Co-Pirate: You know the story of Cain and Abel? I've always hated that. Ever since I was a kid I knew it was unfair. Cain was a farmer and one season his crops didn't do well, and he didn't have a lot to offer God - but he still brought his best. Abel was a shepherd and brought his lambs to sacrifice. God arbitrarily decides he likes Abel's offerings but not Cain's and boom, you have the story of the first murder.

Gen 4:3-4 says that's not entirely accurate. Cain brings "his fruits", but Abel brings "his first-borns, the fattest [animals]" - the implication is that Abel offers the best of the best (A++++ would consume with heavenly fire again), and Cain offers only that which he can bear to part with.

I suppose you could make an argument that Cain's should have been "good enough", but the lesson of the story is that when you offer a sacrifice, it had better not be the dregs of your haul. "Good enough" is not good enough.


What does God need with a starship pile of fruit?  If, as someone else pointed out, God was the one who gave out the harvests and lambs to being with, why does he need them back?  And why demand the best?  That seems kinda dickish, especially if Cain is facing starvation because he gave the most nourishing part of his crop to someone who isn't even going to eat it.  "Here, have some cookies.  No, wait, I want the Thin Mint.  I actually think it tastes revolting, but it makes great tile grout."

// besides which, Cain's beef was with god, not Abel

Sounds like he's got a legitimate one.

/Greek ideas on sacrifice worked out well for them
//didn't hurt that Greek gods are apparently dumb as fenceposts
2013-04-29 11:49:58 AM
2 votes:
I was raised in a Southern Baptist church, but it was shiat like this that drove me away.  So I'm a Hindu who was always faithful to my beliefs and spent my life helping others?  Sorry, you didn't accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior, go burn in hell forever and ever.  But, hey, I'm a real scumbag who spent my life cheating people, stealing, lying to others, but just before my death I repented and said I believe in Jesus?  Welcome to Heaven, Christian!
2013-04-29 10:58:28 AM
2 votes:

Langston: Dear Mr. Jones:

I presume that you came to your faith through reading, reflection, and prayer. I too, spent a good amount of time reading, reflecting, and praying. Somehow, even though we both did the same thing, I heard a different call.

I did not hear a chorus of angels unraveling a singular path in front of me that led to a legion of evangelical Christian angels blowing trumpets over the burned corpses of false religions. I read a story a man who preached kindness, and gentleness, and forgiveness. Who told me that if a man stepped up and slapped me across my face, I should turn my other cheek to him. Who told me that if a thief robs me of my jacket, give him my shirt as well. Who told me to love my enemies and worship in private. Who loved those who sought him harm, not raising his hand to them as they punished, tortured and killed him.

Those are lofty principles that I have tried to uphold. I do so with the knowledge that my faith is my own, and I accept that others will choose to believe as they will, even if they choose to believe only what can be shown and proven. This is their right and I respect that. I do not care that I am more or less correct than them, only that I live a life that benefits those around me.

I hope that the structure of the universe is such that all of us in some way become better with experience, including a consciousness and knowledge that transcends death, and brings us closer to perfection. I hope that the structure of the universe is such that justice is meted out perfectly in time, that the poor may be comforted and the rich humbled. That the cruel ones feel and understand the pain they caused and the humble ones encouraged.

I cannot say what Christianity is. I only know what I want to become.


I cannot agree with your theology, sir - but i must concur with your philosophy. bravo.
2013-04-29 10:56:32 AM
2 votes:
to Judy- "why does my three year old need Sunday School?  She's a good kid, she doesn't do any thing wrong"
To me - It's not about religion, it's about control.
To Judy - I don't get it - she's three.  She does everything I ask her to.
To me - No, it's not about now, it's about later when you need to control her behavior
To Judy - ah, I see  .  .  .

So we decided that we would stop any religious activity toot - sweet and give her the choice of religions when she's out of her teen years, and our "control".
So far, the religious community isn't doing so well in her eyes.  Living right down to everyone's expectations.
2013-04-29 10:49:38 AM
2 votes:
Buddhism makes no hard demands on your life? Mahayana Buddhism demands that you devote eternity to service of others.
Ant
2013-04-29 10:46:05 AM
2 votes:

WhoopAssWayne: Ah yes, another enlightening thread with the fark teenaged atheists.

Don't worry - it's just a stage. Once you grow up a little more, you'll get over it.


People with imaginary friends telling others to grow up?

/not a teenager, unfortunately/
2013-04-29 10:38:30 AM
2 votes:

Langston: Those are lofty principles that I have tried to uphold. I do so with the knowledge that my faith is my own, and I accept that others will choose to believe as they will, even if they choose to believe only what can be shown and proven. This is their right and I respect that. I do not care that I am more or less correct than them, only that I live a life that benefits those around me.


I've been known to spew bile and vitriol at religion and believers, but I can respect you for this statement.  Now that I'm not an obnoxious teenage, I try to refrain from bile-spewing until someone pisses me off and earns it.  I can safely say that you will never earn it.  There need to be more people like you (and I should really be one of them).
2013-04-29 10:35:00 AM
2 votes:

WhoopAssWayne: Ah yes, another enlightening thread with the fark teenaged atheists.

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Don't worry - it's just a stage. Once you grow up a little more, you'll get over it.


So "growing up" means accepting fairy tales as truth?

Can I worship Santa instead?  He might actually give me something.
2013-04-29 10:09:18 AM
2 votes:
I'll give him one.

FTA: "Evangelism is God's (and my pastor's) job. My job is to be a good example."

Every religious person who refuses to abide by this should have it tattooed in mirror image on their forehead.  I respect your right to have your beliefs.  I don't want to hear about them.  If you try to convert me, I'll consider myself in imminent danger from a mentally unbalanced person.  I live in a "Stand Your Ground" state too.
2013-04-29 10:06:47 AM
2 votes:
Why would I go to your Hell if I don't believe in your Heaven?
2013-04-29 10:04:33 AM
2 votes:

stuhayes2010: [brianjones.com image 640x427]
Even as a little kid I would look at these people and think "they really believe they're talking to someone who is there?  I just don't get it."  30 years later, I still don't get it.  Sundays should be spent with friends and family sleeping off Saturday night's hangover until well after noon, not handing money to a tax free organization.


I have corrected your error.

/That is how everyone spends their Sundays, correct?
2013-04-29 10:01:38 AM
2 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: In my experience, no good ever comes from "finding Jesus".


I must beg to differ. I found two Jesuses in front of the Home Depot. They helped me build my deck.
2013-04-29 10:01:06 AM
2 votes:

Cythraul: What the fark did I just read?


The screed of an arrogant c*unt. Both the pastor and the purported author of the Old Testament: "Abase yourself and toss My celestial salad or it's the lake of fire for you, puny mortal!"

Also, wasn't this last night's Simpsons episode? Is this guy the real life Flanders Lovejoy?

Also, he misspelled "Christianity". In my book of Obergruppenfuhrer's Big Book of Grammar, that's a flaming brimstone poker up the ass.

Not that there's anything ungodly about that.
2013-04-29 09:54:36 AM
2 votes:

WhoopAssWayne: Ah yes, another enlightening thread with the fark teenaged atheists.

[imageshack.us image 287x312]

Don't worry - it's just a stage. Once you grow up a little more, you'll get over it.


It's kind of like when gay men first come out of the closet, they go through a queeny phase, then most settle back down again.
2013-04-29 09:50:11 AM
2 votes:
I can't figure out if this is serious, ironic, or double ironic trollish.
2013-04-29 08:15:38 AM
2 votes:
What the fark did I just read?
2013-04-29 08:28:05 PM
1 votes:
A lot of moderates don't really seem to believe in Hell. If they do, it's only on a very inconsistent basis. Sometimes this is because they're afraid to think of it. Other times it's because the idea of eternally torturing anybody is so morally abhorrent that they cannot bring themselves to simultaneously believe in it and in a loving God.

Hell is the reason I left Christianity. There is literally nobody in history whom I think deserves to suffer for eternity. Endless punishment is cruelty in its purest form: it accomplishes nothing.
2013-04-29 07:47:24 PM
1 votes:
And the corrrect answer was..."Mormons. Everyone else is going to hell."
2013-04-29 07:23:01 PM
1 votes:
Way back in high school I had a fundie girlfriend who would routinely mention my atheistic ass was going to hell.  My general response was "and I'm sure God is a happy you're farking the hellbound".

/yeah, i know, why even date this person?
//because she was a shockingly sexual creature, sue me
2013-04-29 03:21:15 PM
1 votes:

que.guero: letrole: The amusing thing here is the way that Atheists are still acknowledging God and giving Him glory -- albeit in bloody-minded defiance.

I wouldn't quite call it glory though yeah, a lot of "atheists" are the equivalent of the kid who doesn't believe in Santa but spends too much time going off on how much they hate that jolly old elf...

If you don't believe in something, why would you spend any time even thinking about it?


Every time I pull out money to pay for something I'm reminded that even in the US, where we have separation of church and state, we trust in God.

I think about it because turning away from scientific explainations of the natural world, and favoring mythology, does nothing to help the US get back on track to being a leader in math and science, which is neccessary for this country to regain its economic footing. And, believe it or not, the state of the US economy affects me directly.
2013-04-29 02:43:26 PM
1 votes:

cwolf20: FloydA: alowishus: Which of these is the better person?

1. A Christian that believes I'm going to suffer for eternity, and tries to help me?
2. A Christian that believes I'm going to suffer for eternity, and does nothing for fear of being labeled a "dick"?


The second.  His irrational fears are his own problem, and I am not interested in having him share that problem with me.  Thanks for asking!

And since it is #2, he never would share it with you. Since only #2 has that problem which he will never walk up and share about.



Oh they both have an irrational fear that consciousness survives death.  Person number 2 is just polite enough to keep his horrifying fantasy to himself, so I prefer his company.
2013-04-29 01:26:58 PM
1 votes:
Let's see...  Either I spend an eternity suffering in hell, or I spend an eternity in Heaven with Jesus and THOSE assholes?

Tough choice, I guess.
2013-04-29 01:16:16 PM
1 votes:
Honestly I don't mind when somebody tries to 'save' me. It doesn't happen often and I don't go out of my way to be rude in my assessment of their views. I don't go out of my way to be polite either. I simply tell them that I simply don't believe their story and I haven't seen any evidence that has convinced me. If they have a problem with this and want to argue then I might be upset but most people are generally polite.
2013-04-29 12:52:13 PM
1 votes:

mcgreggers99: Scorn should be expected if one claims to be his follower.



This is absolutely true, if you believe in ridiculous, patently false, absurd nonsense, you should expect to be ridiculed by rational human beings.
2013-04-29 12:43:11 PM
1 votes:

nmemkha: MayoSlather: There are lots of Christian types in this thread that are attempting to pull the "I'm a rational christian, not like this crazy guy." thing. And to that I say no, no you're not. You are just as batshiat.

We could care less what you think. You have more right to condemn our beliefs than we yours.

Go fark yourself you intolerant assbag.


Intolerance? Look everyone, a Christian is going to give us a lesson in intolerance.

Fark your fairy tales and the ignorant destruction they bring. Truth condemning lies is not intolerance.
2013-04-29 12:40:34 PM
1 votes:
Which of these is the better person?

1. A Christian that believes I'm going to suffer for eternity, and tries to help me?
2. A Christian that believes I'm going to suffer for eternity, and does nothing for fear of being labeled a "dick"?
2013-04-29 12:36:26 PM
1 votes:

Langston: Dear Mr. Jones:

I presume that you came to your faith through reading, reflection, and prayer. I too, spent a good amount of time reading, reflecting, and praying. Somehow, even though we both did the same thing, I heard a different call.

I did not hear a chorus of angels unraveling a singular path in front of me that led to a legion of evangelical Christian angels blowing trumpets over the burned corpses of false religions. I read a story a man who preached kindness, and gentleness, and forgiveness. Who told me that if a man stepped up and slapped me across my face, I should turn my other cheek to him. Who told me that if a thief robs me of my jacket, give him my shirt as well. Who told me to love my enemies and worship in private. Who loved those who sought him harm, not raising his hand to them as they punished, tortured and killed him.

Those are lofty principles that I have tried to uphold. I do so with the knowledge that my faith is my own, and I accept that others will choose to believe as they will, even if they choose to believe only what can be shown and proven. This is their right and I respect that. I do not care that I am more or less correct than them, only that I live a life that benefits those around me.

I hope that the structure of the universe is such that all of us in some way become better with experience, including a consciousness and knowledge that transcends death, and brings us closer to perfection. I hope that the structure of the universe is such that justice is meted out perfectly in time, that the poor may be comforted and the rich humbled. That the cruel ones feel and understand the pain they caused and the humble ones encouraged.

I cannot say what Christianity is. I only know what I want to become.


Had you not already been a totalfarker, I'd've sponsored you for this.
2013-04-29 12:31:59 PM
1 votes:

cwolf20: Precision Boobery: Langston: not raising his hand to them as they punished, tortured and killed him.

Which is what happens.  Jesus' philosophy only works if a very large percentage of people participate.  Otherwise, you end up like him:  no jacket or shirt, two slapped cheeks, and oh yeah, crucified.  Now you're dead and for what?  The hope that the people who did it will get theirs in a hypothetical afterlife?  Hey, it's your life and you can waste it trying to love people who don't give a single shiat that you're a living, conscious being.  Empathy is necessary and understanding is important, but if someone robs or attacks me, I'm going to stand up for myself.

Well that was different. Some people who disagree with the Christian belief system also disagree with some guy calling himself Jesus Christ, existing at some point.  Never mind that non-religion affiliated history books have blurbs about him roaming around.


Any 'history' text the mentions Jesus existing is not 'non-religion'.   I'm not saying he didn't exist only that there is zero historical information to back it up and most historians tend to try and avoid making shiat up.
2013-04-29 12:30:04 PM
1 votes:

Parthenogenetic: wingnut396: I May Be Crazy But...: Oh, you're one of THOSE sorts of atheist, you worthless piece of trash.

Everyone knows the right choice is Tabasco.

/I want a schism all my own.

Tabasco is crap.  Louisiana or Crystal Hot Sauce FTW...

You all deserve to roast in hell.

Really?  Y'all are discussing eating babies with HOT SAUCE? Disgusting!

Slow-roasted baby with tomato-based BBQ sauce is where it's at.


The more spiritually-advanced souls, such as myself, prefer mustard-based BBQ sauce.
2013-04-29 12:26:51 PM
1 votes:
10 Ways To Stop Feeling Guilty Your Friend Is Going To Hell Not Getting a Great Deal on Fine Amway Products
2013-04-29 12:26:08 PM
1 votes:
I think my IQ dropped ten points from having read that.
2013-04-29 12:21:34 PM
1 votes:
Not believing other people's delusions as reality has worked pretty well for me so far so I'll stick with that.
2013-04-29 12:17:31 PM
1 votes:

Dr Dreidel: Bondith: What does God need with a starship pile of fruit?

Why is it called an "offering" or a "sacrifice"? Because one wishes to show gratitude - you "offer thanks" to the Creator of All the Things. Because Cain was a farmer, that's the asset he had to spare. A sacrifice is meant, on some level, to say "I should be up there burning for my imperfections, but instead accept this substitute".

It's not that god needs it - you (the supplicant) do.


I'm just going to say that I will never understand this line of thinking and leave it at that, because from here on out it'll just be a thread full of arguing without any sort of resolution.
2013-04-29 12:17:14 PM
1 votes:

I May Be Crazy But...: Queensowntalia: WhoopAssWayne: Ah yes, another enlightening thread with the fark teenaged atheists.

[imageshack.us image 287x312]

Don't worry - it's just a stage. Once you grow up a little more, you'll get over it.

Don't be silly. We don't have time to sit around debating Christianity. We're much too busy eating babies.

/Sriracha goes well

Oh, you're one of THOSE sorts of atheist, you worthless piece of trash.

Everyone knows the right choice is Tabasco.

/I want a schism all my own.


Frank's Red Hot.

I put that shiat on everything.
2013-04-29 12:04:33 PM
1 votes:
genner: Marcintosh: to Judy- "why does my three year old need Sunday School?  She's a good kid, she doesn't do any thing wrong"
To me - It's not about religion, it's about control.
To Judy - I don't get it - she's three.  She does everything I ask her to.
To me - No, it's not about now, it's about later when you need to control her behavior
To Judy - ah, I see  .  .  .

So we decided that we would stop any religious activity toot - sweet and give her the choice of religions when she's out of her teen years, and our "control".
So far, the religious community isn't doing so well in her eyes.  Living right down to everyone's expectations.


If only there was some way to control the religious communities.......


There is, just walk out the door and leave it open.  Others will follow.
2013-04-29 11:50:44 AM
1 votes:

Langston: Dear Mr. Jones:

I presume that you came to your faith through reading, reflection, and prayer. I too, spent a good amount of time reading, reflecting, and praying. Somehow, even though we both did the same thing, I heard a different call.

I did not hear a chorus of angels unraveling a singular path in front of me that led to a legion of evangelical Christian angels blowing trumpets over the burned corpses of false religions. I read a story a man who preached kindness, and gentleness, and forgiveness. Who told me that if a man stepped up and slapped me across my face, I should turn my other cheek to him. Who told me that if a thief robs me of my jacket, give him my shirt as well. Who told me to love my enemies and worship in private. Who loved those who sought him harm, not raising his hand to them as they punished, tortured and killed him.

Those are lofty principles that I have tried to uphold. I do so with the knowledge that my faith is my own, and I accept that others will choose to believe as they will, even if they choose to believe only what can be shown and proven. This is their right and I respect that. I do not care that I am more or less correct than them, only that I live a life that benefits those around me.

I hope that the structure of the universe is such that all of us in some way become better with experience, including a consciousness and knowledge that transcends death, and brings us closer to perfection. I hope that the structure of the universe is such that justice is meted out perfectly in time, that the poor may be comforted and the rich humbled. That the cruel ones feel and understand the pain they caused and the humble ones encouraged.

I cannot say what Christianity is. I only know what I want to become.



Beautifully said.  As an atheist I agree with nearly all of it (except the part of hoping that consciousness transcends death - I don't want that at all!)
2013-04-29 11:48:23 AM
1 votes:

MayoSlather: There are lots of Christian types in this thread that are attempting to pull the "I'm a rational christian, not like this crazy guy." thing. And to that I say no, no you're not. You are just as batshiat.


Yup. I am. There is no way to rationally explain one's faith to another human being....it is a personal experience unique for each individual. But I do believe in good and truth. I believe that evil exists, and so does good. I try to do good in my life based upon Jesus' example in the bible. I have seen people's lives changed for the better as a result of other batshiat people who believe the what's written in the batshiat book.

Not trying to kick a hornet's nest here, but trying to love and help people is a noble calling in life, and Jesus was the very best example that I can think of. Plus he's the one who said that he was the only way to heaven and that his followers would be hated.

Scorn should be expected if one claims to be his follower. If you don't ever experience a little friction as a result of your faith, then you're probably not being vocal enough about it.
2013-04-29 11:44:46 AM
1 votes:
Most of the people I've known who believed in heaven and hell--and my experience is of course purely anecdotal--didn't seem worried in the least that I was going to hell.  They were more or less like Patrick Warburton in that Seinfeld episode.  "Yeah, you should be worried, but it's not like it's gonna happen to me."

The whole thing has never made sense to me.  If you believe, then it's like a golden key that unlocks paradise, no matter what else you do, or neglect to do.  If you don't believe, then you are in torment for all eternity, no matter what else you do, or neglect to do.  That's what I got from Lutheranism as a kid.  There was also a subtheme that said that you really should evanglize to save more souls, but it was kind of in the vein of, "You really should lose some weight, you really should rotate your tires every six months, you really should be a courteous driver, but it's all secondary and optional.  Doesn't count on the final."

Side note:  I've known a very small number of people who were True Believers, devout, rigidly dogmatic fundamentalists.  Again anecdotal, but the ones I knew were also unfailingly kind, cheerful, polite, and never judgmental of me.  I remember talking with one once about my problem stepdaughter, and I dropped an f-bomb (quoting her).  He literally winced, in physical pain.  I've felt bad about that ever since.  He was one of the nicest people I ever knew.

I have always thought that they were the ones who actually read and absorbed the teachings of Jesus in the gospels.
2013-04-29 11:43:00 AM
1 votes:

God Is My Co-Pirate: You know the story of Cain and Abel? I've always hated that. Ever since I was a kid I knew it was unfair. Cain was a farmer and one season his crops didn't do well, and he didn't have a lot to offer God - but he still brought his best. Abel was a shepherd and brought his lambs to sacrifice. God arbitrarily decides he likes Abel's offerings but not Cain's and boom, you have the story of the first murder.


Gen 4:3-4 says that's not entirely accurate. Cain brings "his fruits", but Abel brings "his first-borns, the fattest [animals]" - the implication is that Abel offers the best of the best (A++++ would consume with heavenly fire again), and Cain offers only that which he can bear to part with.

I suppose you could make an argument that Cain's should have been "good enough", but the lesson of the story is that when you offer a sacrifice, it had better not be the dregs of your haul. "Good enough" is not good enough.

// besides which, Cain's beef was with god, not Abel
2013-04-29 11:42:06 AM
1 votes:
1. Here's the easiest one: Stop being a part of a church!
2013-04-29 11:37:53 AM
1 votes:
There are lots of Christian types in this thread that are attempting to pull the "I'm a rational christian, not like this crazy guy." thing. And to that I say no, no you're not. You are just as batshiat.
2013-04-29 11:32:19 AM
1 votes:
#0 Stop worry about what others do and concentrate on your own mountain of sin, assholes
2013-04-29 11:30:07 AM
1 votes:
Ok I'll bite.

This author is attempting to use shame and guilt to inspire people (fellow Christians) to act outside of their comfort zones, but composing a written blog and saturating it with sarcasm (which often doesn't translate well in written form) with no biblical references is kind of a weak attempt at best. Even at best, it's confusing, but he did just get his blog posted on Fark, so he's getting some attention and getting people talking about Jesus regardless.

There are a lot of main line Christian big wigs right now that are kind of teaching through the lens of guilt and shame, but they are framing it in a context that is antithetical to the "American version" of Christianity, and they put their money and time where their mouths are, plus they are backing up their statements and actions with Jesus' actual words. It makes a big difference.

Francis Chan gave up the pulpit at his mega church and his house to go take his family and live in a poor neighborhood to help people in the inner city in San Francisco. David Platt is teaching that we in America are so wealthy that we have no idea how to relate to the problems, starvation, and hatred directed at us because we simply can't relate. He also says that Pastors need to be less reliant on quips and witty remarks and instead actually teach from the book.

In my estimation if people actually modeled Jesus' behavior instead of trying to be smart about it, then we Christians might be making more of a difference in the lives of those around us. I think that's part of what the author was trying to say. He's stoking the fire, but not providing any timber.
2013-04-29 11:26:46 AM
1 votes:

Bloody William: The idea that people need to be saved by faith and not by works is one of the most immoral, toxic concepts in all of civilization. It puts blind fealty over any sort of action or ideals of how to help others. It presents a god who is cruel, capricious, and holds his creations to standards that have nothing to do with how they treat each other and everything to do with how they bolster its ego. Saying god loves you because he forgives you is like saying your marriage is going well because your husband doesn't break your jaw as long as you make his sandwiches just right.


You know the story of Cain and Abel? I've always hated that. Ever since I was a kid I knew it was unfair.  Cain was a farmer and one season his crops didn't do well, and he didn't have a lot to offer God - but he still brought his best. Abel was a shepherd and brought his lambs to sacrifice. God arbitrarily decides he likes Abel's offerings but not Cain's and boom, you have the story of the first murder.

Surely God, who you know, made the crops fail in the first place, wouldn't be such a dick as to punish his creations for something not their fault?  Oh.

Of course it works much better as an allegory of two co-existing bronze age tribes, one agricultural and one pastoral.
2013-04-29 11:26:24 AM
1 votes:

Noobian Noob: In related news, someone just posted on facebook that she is trying to fast but the devil is making their stomach growl.

*facepalm*



I tried to crucify myself, you know to honor Jesus, but the devil made it hurt so bad I couldn't finish.
2013-04-29 11:15:39 AM
1 votes:

Langston: Dear Mr. Jones:

I presume that you came to your faith through reading, reflection, and prayer. I too, spent a good amount of time reading, reflecting, and praying. Somehow, even though we both did the same thing, I heard a different call.

I did not hear a chorus of angels unraveling a singular path in front of me that led to a legion of evangelical Christian angels blowing trumpets over the burned corpses of false religions. I read a story a man who preached kindness, and gentleness, and forgiveness. Who told me that if a man stepped up and slapped me across my face, I should turn my other cheek to him. Who told me that if a thief robs me of my jacket, give him my shirt as well. Who told me to love my enemies and worship in private. Who loved those who sought him harm, not raising his hand to them as they punished, tortured and killed him.

Those are lofty principles that I have tried to uphold. I do so with the knowledge that my faith is my own, and I accept that others will choose to believe as they will, even if they choose to believe only what can be shown and proven. This is their right and I respect that. I do not care that I am more or less correct than them, only that I live a life that benefits those around me.

I hope that the structure of the universe is such that all of us in some way become better with experience, including a consciousness and knowledge that transcends death, and brings us closer to perfection. I hope that the structure of the universe is such that justice is meted out perfectly in time, that the poor may be comforted and the rich humbled. That the cruel ones feel and understand the pain they caused and the humble ones encouraged.

I cannot say what Christianity is. I only know what I want to become.


Thank you! As a Christian who was raised in a fundamentalist/pentecostal mindset, I wish more Christians thought this way, instead of following the Religious Right that has dominated politics for the last thirty years, Pat Roberston, and pretty much anyone pushing creationism.  The Bible is a set of guidelines, stories, and a history of a people that archeologists are finding that is pretty much made up to try to justify a cohesive nation-state. Basing your entire world view around it and taking the words literally can pretty much skew how you see everything around you and your relationships with others.  If you truly believe that loved ones and friends are going to hell if they don't think like you do, you will find yourself tolerated by others, but not embraced.
2013-04-29 11:09:46 AM
1 votes:

E5bie: Is this guy for real, or is he another one of those militant atheists who mock fundamentalists by pretending to be a Christian a-hole?


I used to be a born again for 12 years. Believe me: this guy is very, very real. Even if by some chance this is satire, there are certainly people who literally believe this. I was one of them.
2013-04-29 11:08:48 AM
1 votes:

odinsposse: Copperbelly watersnake: Buddhism makes no hard demands on your life? Mahayana Buddhism demands that you devote eternity to service of others.

Hippies ruined the Western view of Buddhism. When people think of Buddhism as a totally laid back religion that just about like, being part of the universe, they're really just thinking of the hippie view of things. They don't realize that Buddhists can be just as hardline and dickish as any other religion.


Or, as in Taiwan, a conservative political party with tons of power and $.
2013-04-29 11:01:55 AM
1 votes:

Copperbelly watersnake: Buddhism makes no hard demands on your life? Mahayana Buddhism demands that you devote eternity to service of others.


Hippies ruined the Western view of Buddhism. When people think of Buddhism as a totally laid back religion that just about like, being part of the universe, they're really just thinking of the hippie view of things. They don't realize that Buddhists can be just as hardline and dickish as any other religion.
2013-04-29 11:00:36 AM
1 votes:

WhoopAssWayne: Ah yes, another enlightening thread with the fark teenaged atheists.

[imageshack.us image 287x312]

Don't worry - it's just a stage. Once you grow up a little more, you'll get over it.


That's what I say about Jews, Muslims, and dolphins. It's just a phrase, and they'll eventually learn that Christianity is the one true religion. Especially with information about Jesus being freely available on the internet.
2013-04-29 10:59:28 AM
1 votes:
I could have saved that pastor a whole lot of time and effort, since his list could have been shortened to one item instead of ten: "Grow up. Stop believing that fairy tales are real and run your life."
2013-04-29 10:43:16 AM
1 votes:
"Organized religion is a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers. It tells people to go out and stick their noses in other people's business. "
  d.gr-assets.com
2013-04-29 10:41:34 AM
1 votes:

Queensowntalia: WhoopAssWayne: Ah yes, another enlightening thread with the fark teenaged atheists.

[imageshack.us image 287x312]

Don't worry - it's just a stage. Once you grow up a little more, you'll get over it.

Don't be silly. We don't have time to sit around debating Christianity. We're much too busy eating babies.

/Sriracha goes well


Get it straight, dumbass. It's JEWS that eat babies - we Atheists(tm) eat roasted Jews.
And then we all freeze to death in the winter.
2013-04-29 10:39:29 AM
1 votes:
I'm glad he didn't forget to talk about how important it was to give money to his church.  Cuz that's important in all religions.
2013-04-29 10:38:33 AM
1 votes:
9. Every time the topic of hell comes up, bring up the example of the poor lonely native in Africa that's never heard the gospel, and how it would be horrible if God sent that person to hell. Then make sure you add, "That's not the God I choose to believe in." Because as we all know, if there actually is a Creator, he's too stupid to clearly communicate the way the world that he created works. And he definitely won't mind if you "create your own" version of reality.

So...he's saying that's exactly the kind of "loving God" he believes in then. This may be one of the most offensive things I've ever read of fark.
2013-04-29 10:34:21 AM
1 votes:

Begoggle: I can't figure out if this is serious, ironic, or double ironic trollish.


I don't know, I read the blog of that "you deserve rape" preacher and sent him an e-mail asking if he was serious or an atheist troll or performance artist. He swears he is serious. I know Poe's Law applies but I think we can take this guy at his word.
2013-04-29 10:32:13 AM
1 votes:

Langston: Valiente: Stop being a religious person I could consider reasonable enough to buy a pint!

I don't really label myself a Christian. I just want to be a good person.


Well, if that's how you actually try to live, you are ahead of most monotheists of my acquaintance. Most of them veer in a narrow range between points marked "bigotry", "sanctimony" and "hypocrisy".

Pastor Dickhead is right about one thing: If his followers actually stuck to the program, they would have miserable lives as would the people around them they were constantly harrassing.
2013-04-29 10:31:10 AM
1 votes:
2013-04-29 10:26:31 AM
1 votes:

Valiente: Stop being a religious person I could consider reasonable enough to buy a pint!


I don't really label myself a Christian. I just want to be a good person.
2013-04-29 10:26:05 AM
1 votes:
4. Stop reading the gospels in your daily time with God. Jesus constantly talked about the afterlife, especially hell.

No, no he didn't.
2013-04-29 10:24:42 AM
1 votes:

God Is My Co-Pirate: Thanks. Wow, this guy has never met a Buddhist, has he?


His head appears to be so far up his own ass, I suspect he's only ever met Sunday dinner.

Sarcastic passive-aggression/mockery is actually pretty rare in organized religion, because it's the stepbrother to full-on bullying, which was given a bad name during the Inquisition.

This guy could've been a Jesuit instead of one of those penta-snakehandler-no-sex-standing-up/might-lead-to-dancing Protestant sects, which it is very likely he is.
2013-04-29 10:23:54 AM
1 votes:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0784718415

his book needs some more realistic reviews.
2013-04-29 10:21:13 AM
1 votes:
Stop being so deeply involved in your church. And for the love of God, stop giving to your church. Let other people do that. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

A-men
2013-04-29 10:16:14 AM
1 votes:

limeybrit9: "7. Dabble in other religions, especially Buddhism. Buddhists are cool. You don't have to believe in God and there are no hard demands made on your life. Of course keep your Christian "cover" (most of your friends are Christians, and, quite frankly, it's good for business contacts), but don't let the Christianity thing go to your head. It's all pretty much the same thing. "

Yeah, damn straight... it's a lot of effort to learn how your friends and neighbors process and interpret subjective concepts like morals or ethics before berating them on a daily basis for not believing exactly the same crap your parents force-fed you as a child.


Buddhists are prettey cool, actually...spent some time with them in me early 20s (after I'd had 3 'crisis of faith's in 3 different religions).
"God" is NOT standing by with an itchy trigger finger, just waiting to smite you. You CAN make a difference in your life condition by the choices you make, and you know what? It's YOUR responsibility...and choice if/when/where to do so.
Very freeing and empowering, actually...
2013-04-29 10:12:52 AM
1 votes:

The Green Intern: CSB time.

From my first day of school to the time I was old enough to get my school permit, I rode the bus with a girl who was the kindest, most open and tolerant person I'd ever met.  She got engaged to some born-again Christian guy and the next thing you know, she's saying things like "Schindler's list was sad, sure, but they're all going to hell anyway."  And then she invited me to meet up and catch up before the wedding.

Turns out she just wanted to pray for me and tell me she was worried I was going to hell.

/Hallmark doesn't make "You really need to get a divorce before it's too late" card.
//So I sent my own.


CSB counter:

I knew a very cool girl in high school. She married her high school sweetheart. They were both lapsed Catholics of the standard sort. Her husband joined the Air Force and converted to a weird fundamentalist  church, which I later learned happens a lot in the Air Force. She went with him for a while and tried to be a part of it but eventually couldn't stand it. They divorced and last I heard she had gone back to being awesome.
2013-04-29 10:09:39 AM
1 votes:
2. Find a church that makes you feel like you're doing evangelism, but never actually encourages you to do it. Usually this falls under the heading of "getting involved in giving back to the community." Because that's why Jesus died on the cross. So we could "give back to the community."

Problem with this is their idea of "getting involved in giving back to the community" is jst saying "sending prayers" when something bad happens. Cause getting off your ass and actually doing something is hard.
2013-04-29 10:08:12 AM
1 votes:

WhoopAssWayne: Ah yes, another enlightening thread with the fark teenaged atheists.

[imageshack.us image 287x312]

Don't worry - it's just a stage. Once you grow up a little more, you'll get over it.


Well, the important thing is that you've found a way to tell yourself that you are superior to everyone involved. Not that you have to exactly be a genius to take that away from the typical Fark thread.
2013-04-29 10:07:52 AM
1 votes:

E5bie: Is this guy for real, or is he another one of those militant atheists who mock fundamentalists by pretending to be a Christian a-hole?


It's a hell of a faint and thin line, ain't it? Like Jerry Lewis as The Clown Who Cried, I'm unsure how to laugh, why or even if.
2013-04-29 10:03:04 AM
1 votes:

Dr Dreidel: Ned Stark: This is why I don't like moderate religious people. You think I'm going to hell for all eternity to face unimaginable torture because I haven't done something as simple as accepting Jesus and you aren't gonna be at least a little pushy about it? Well screw you Jack. Ill talk to someone who hives a damn.

[inigo.jpg]

A moderate doesn't get all up in your business about the fundamentals of their religious beliefs. That's called something else.


[that's the joke.jpg]

If you really, truly believed that everyone was doomed to spend eternity in Sheol, and that the simple act of accepting forgiveness from Jesus would prevent that, you would be preaching the Gospel night and day to anybody within earshot.

He's making fun of the apathetic Christian who professes to believe what is espoused in the Apostle's Creed, yet won't bother with trying to act on it because it is inconvenient and potentially embarassing.
2013-04-29 10:02:38 AM
1 votes:

Langston: Dear Mr. Jones:

I presume that you came to your faith through reading, reflection, and prayer. I too, spent a good amount of time reading, reflecting, and praying. Somehow, even though we both did the same thing, I heard a different call.

I did not hear a chorus of angels unraveling a singular path in front of me that led to a legion of evangelical Christian angels blowing trumpets over the burned corpses of false religions. I read a story a man who preached kindness, and gentleness, and forgiveness. Who told me that if a man stepped up and slapped me across my face, I should turn my other cheek to him. Who told me that if a thief robs me of my jacket, give him my shirt as well. Who told me to love my enemies and worship in private. Who loved those who sought him harm, not raising his hand to them as they punished, tortured and killed him.

Those are lofty principles that I have tried to uphold. I do so with the knowledge that my faith is my own, and I accept that others will choose to believe as they will, even if they choose to believe only what can be shown and proven. This is their right and I respect that. I do not care that I am more or less correct than them, only that I live a life that benefits those around me.

I hope that the structure of the universe is such that all of us in some way become better with experience, including a consciousness and knowledge that transcends death, and brings us closer to perfection. I hope that the structure of the universe is such that justice is meted out perfectly in time, that the poor may be comforted and the rich humbled. That the cruel ones feel and understand the pain they caused and the humble ones encouraged.

I cannot say what Christianity is. I only know what I want to become.


Stop being a religious person I could consider reasonable enough to buy a pint!

IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.

/seriously, nice chunk o' writing, bro.
2013-04-29 10:01:22 AM
1 votes:

Repo Man: It really is astonishing to me that anyone can believe in the concept of a place of never ending torment. A place that a "loving god" condemns you to for the most trivial reasons.


The classic version of hell is just not in God's presence.  It's not that you have red hot pokers up the ass (that came later).  But other than that, yeah. Why praise a God that is going to send you to hell for eating a hamburger on Friday?
2013-04-29 10:00:29 AM
1 votes:

Think 4D: That is one of the most beautiful things I've ever read. Thanks for making my day and restoring a little bit of my faith in humanity.


This, right here Langston

Not a Christian, but I can respect anyone who tries to make good with it.

/Deist
2013-04-29 10:00:23 AM
1 votes:
Is this guy for real, or is he another one of those militant atheists who mock fundamentalists by pretending to be a Christian a-hole?
2013-04-29 09:58:54 AM
1 votes:
At first, I was like- hey a Christian that gets it...
2013-04-29 09:55:01 AM
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stuhayes2010: [brianjones.com image 640x427]
Even as a little kid I would look at these people and think "they really believe they're talking to someone who is there?  I just don't get it."  30 years later, I still don't get it.  Sundays should be spent with friends and family, not handing money to a tax free organization.


In my experience, no good ever comes from "finding Jesus".
2013-04-29 09:53:06 AM
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I don`t worry that my friend will go to hell. I would quite like the company.
2013-04-29 09:53:03 AM
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Ah yes, another enlightening thread with the fark teenaged atheists.

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Don't worry - it's just a stage. Once you grow up a little more, you'll get over it.
2013-04-29 09:52:29 AM
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FTFA That would be creepy and fanatical.

Says it all right there.
2013-04-29 09:49:49 AM
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Stop reading the gospels in your daily time with God. Jesus constantly talked about the afterlife, especially hell. Let's be honest: it's pretty tiring to have to keep shielding your eyes fromthose verses while hunting for the gems that talk about how you can be happy and successful.

Oh, the irony.
2013-04-29 09:46:34 AM
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What's it mean when all those points were apparently meant as sarcasm yet they were all completely accurate?

Actually, I could have saved the poor guy a lot of typing and distress.
Step 1:  Mind your own business.
Step 2: Goto 1.
2013-04-29 09:45:53 AM
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Langston: Dear Mr. Jones:

I presume that you came to your faith through reading, reflection, and prayer. I too, spent a good amount of time reading, reflecting, and praying. Somehow, even though we both did the same thing, I heard a different call.

I did not hear a chorus of angels unraveling a singular path in front of me that led to a legion of evangelical Christian angels blowing trumpets over the burned corpses of false religions. I read a story a man who preached kindness, and gentleness, and forgiveness. Who told me that if a man stepped up and slapped me across my face, I should turn my other cheek to him. Who told me that if a thief robs me of my jacket, give him my shirt as well. Who told me to love my enemies and worship in private. Who loved those who sought him harm, not raising his hand to them as they punished, tortured and killed him.

Those are lofty principles that I have tried to uphold. I do so with the knowledge that my faith is my own, and I accept that others will choose to believe as they will, even if they choose to believe only what can be shown and proven. This is their right and I respect that. I do not care that I am more or less correct than them, only that I live a life that benefits those around me.

I hope that the structure of the universe is such that all of us in some way become better with experience, including a consciousness and knowledge that transcends death, and brings us closer to perfection. I hope that the structure of the universe is such that justice is meted out perfectly in time, that the poor may be comforted and the rich humbled. That the cruel ones feel and understand the pain they caused and the humble ones encouraged.

I cannot say what Christianity is. I only know what I want to become.


That is one of the most beautiful things I've ever read. Thanks for making my day and restoring a little bit of my faith in humanity.
2013-04-29 09:44:52 AM
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Heaven for the climate, hell for the company.

/I'm expecting a Fark party
2013-04-29 09:44:36 AM
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I thought Brian Jones drowned back in '69.
 
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