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2013-04-29 09:12:35 AM
I'm more concerned about Jeff Goldblum.
 
2013-04-29 09:55:34 AM
www.imageyenation.comwww.evolvefish.com
 
2013-04-29 09:57:03 AM
Is the thing actually mandatory? I can't imagine any scenario where the government comes after you for not filling out their 14 page survey or for only filling out the sections and questions you choose to answer.
 
2013-04-29 09:57:12 AM
That's not surprising since both my toilet and Rand Paul are full of sh*t.
 
2013-04-29 09:59:22 AM
In Rand Paul's ideal world, the government should just blindly throw darts to make policy decisions?
 
2013-04-29 09:59:28 AM
Did he fillibuster this for hours and then in the end support a worse version?
 
2013-04-29 09:59:29 AM
I will fight for your freedom to sit on a toilet that wastes thousands of gallons of water because abusing the environment like a red-headed stepchild is your God-given right as an American!

/dnrtfa
 
2013-04-29 10:00:26 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-29 10:03:38 AM

Lost Thought 00: In Rand Paul's ideal world, the government should just blindly throw darts to make policy decisions?


In his world, the government would not make policy decissssssions, but rather just ensure that black people know their place, which is not at his lunch counter.
 
2013-04-29 10:04:02 AM

WTF Indeed: That's not surprising since both my toilet and Rand Paul are full of sh*t.




At least my toilet flushes. And if it doesn't, it's replaced very quickly.
 
2013-04-29 10:05:18 AM
It's because Obama cashes the bowl, repacks with schwag, eats all the Funyons, orders pizza but doesn't have money, and then upper-decks the toilet when he leaves. He's a total asshole. No wonder Republicans don't want him in their party.
 
2013-04-29 10:07:50 AM

BitwiseShift: WTF Indeed: That's not surprising since both my toilet and Rand Paul are full of sh*t.

At least my toilet flushes. And if it doesn't, it's replaced very quickly.


And I can throw cherry bombs at a toilet without getting on a federal watch list.

Rand is now 0-2
 
2013-04-29 10:10:50 AM

Lost Thought 00: In Rand Paul's ideal world, the government should just blindly throw darts to make policy decisions?


In your ideal world, everyone should bend the knee and answer any question the government deems relevant?
 
2013-04-29 10:10:56 AM

NeverDrunk23: Did he fillibuster this for hours and then in the end support a worse version?


Yes, but he gives the illusion of being principled, which as PAUL acolytes will find some excuse for, is the same thing as being principled.
 
2013-04-29 10:11:15 AM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: Lost Thought 00: In Rand Paul's ideal world, the government should just blindly throw darts to make policy decisions?

In his world, the government would not make policy decissssssions, but rather just ensure that black people know their place, which is not at his lunch counter.


Well, I think this is the import think to remember about the PAULs, both RAND and RON -- their "libertarianism" only applies to the federal government, which they want to completely decimate.  It's why RAND's recent comment about how he's fine with a police department wasting someone who just robbed a liquor store with a drone isn't really a contradiction, or him even particularly being hypocritical after his filibuster against President Obama using drones.  He has a problem with the federal government using drones, but if a local or state government wants to use a drone to blow away jaywalkers, that's OK.
 
2013-04-29 10:13:34 AM

jake_lex: Obama's Reptiloid Master: Lost Thought 00: In Rand Paul's ideal world, the government should just blindly throw darts to make policy decisions?

In his world, the government would not make policy decissssssions, but rather just ensure that black people know their place, which is not at his lunch counter.

Well, I think this is the import think to remember about the PAULs, both RAND and RON -- their "libertarianism" only applies to the federal government, which they want to completely decimate.  It's why RAND's recent comment about how he's fine with a police department wasting someone who just robbed a liquor store with a drone isn't really a contradiction, or him even particularly being hypocritical after his filibuster against President Obama using drones.  He has a problem with the federal government using drones, but if a local or state government wants to use a drone to blow away jaywalkers, that's OK.


Did you mammalian meatsacks not try this once already with the Articles of Confederation? Thissssss is why my people are superior. The Eggmothers choose a Supreme Leader based on how many soup cans his jaws can crush.
 
2013-04-29 10:14:17 AM

jake_lex: Obama's Reptiloid Master: Lost Thought 00: In Rand Paul's ideal world, the government should just blindly throw darts to make policy decisions?

In his world, the government would not make policy decissssssions, but rather just ensure that black people know their place, which is not at his lunch counter.

Well, I think this is the import think to remember about the PAULs, both RAND and RON -- their "libertarianism" only applies to the federal government, which they want to completely decimate.  It's why RAND's recent comment about how he's fine with a police department wasting someone who just robbed a liquor store with a drone isn't really a contradiction, or him even particularly being hypocritical after his filibuster against President Obama using drones.  He has a problem with the federal government using drones, but if a local or state government wants to use a drone to blow away jaywalkers, that's OK.


We as a country decided that states rights is not so glorious when the grey team lost in 1865
 
2013-04-29 10:14:58 AM
I am so looking forward to the day when RP (Rand Paul) has his RP (Rick Perry) moment in his bumbling attempt to appear intelligent.

Maybe then this version of The RP Show will end.

Although I am sure the GOP has another RP waiting in the wings.
 
2013-04-29 10:16:29 AM

jjorsett: Lost Thought 00: In Rand Paul's ideal world, the government should just blindly throw darts to make policy decisions?

In your ideal world, everyone should bend the knee and answer any question the government deems relevant?


If you don't like it, live out your fantasy, take up arms and revolt.
 
2013-04-29 10:17:45 AM

rtaylor92: Is the thing actually mandatory? I can't imagine any scenario where the government comes after you for not filling out their 14 page survey or for only filling out the sections and questions you choose to answer.


Yes it is.  Title 13.

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/about_the_survey/survey_is_legitimate/

http://uscode.house.gov/download/title_13.shtml

and penalties.

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/13C7.txt

minor penalties but still.
 
2013-04-29 10:18:17 AM

jake_lex: Obama's Reptiloid Master: Lost Thought 00: In Rand Paul's ideal world, the government should just blindly throw darts to make policy decisions?

In his world, the government would not make policy decissssssions, but rather just ensure that black people know their place, which is not at his lunch counter.

Well, I think this is the import think to remember about the PAULs, both RAND and RON -- their "libertarianism" only applies to the federal government, which they want to completely decimate.  It's why RAND's recent comment about how he's fine with a police department wasting someone who just robbed a liquor store with a drone isn't really a contradiction, or him even particularly being hypocritical after his filibuster against President Obama using drones.  He has a problem with the federal government using drones, but if a local or state government wants to use a drone to blow away jaywalkers, that's OK.


One of the core ideals of the Paul type of glibertarianism is that if your city or state has rules you don't like, you can just up and move elsewhere. If you don't like mining coal in West Virginia, just start mining coal in San Francisco. Easy!
 
2013-04-29 10:20:11 AM

Aarontology: NeverDrunk23: Did he fillibuster this for hours and then in the end support a worse version?

Yes, but he gives the illusion of being principled, which as PAUL acolytes will find some excuse for, is the same thing as being principled.


He is technically principled, the best kind of principled.
 
2013-04-29 10:29:49 AM

brandent: rtaylor92: Is the thing actually mandatory? I can't imagine any scenario where the government comes after you for not filling out their 14 page survey or for only filling out the sections and questions you choose to answer.

Yes it is.  Title 13.

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/about_the_survey/survey_is_legitimate/

http://uscode.house.gov/download/title_13.shtml

and penalties.

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/13C7.txt

minor penalties but still.


Tried to read through the third link but that just looks like a lot of gibberish. If there are penalties for not completing it than I guess I see Rand's point. It should be something you opt-in to. I can see penalties for providing false information once you have agreed to take it as the results may directly impact policy decisions but the thing should be optional in general.
 
2013-04-29 10:31:13 AM
As usual, giant pile of shiat Rand Paul looks out for his own best interests.
 
2013-04-29 10:53:32 AM

Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 720x720]


Who is Omaba?
 
2013-04-29 11:03:40 AM

WTF Indeed: That's not surprising since both my toilet and Rand Paul are full of sh*t.


Don't you flush your toilet after taking a dump?  That would likely solve the first issue.  However, solving the issue of Rand Paul being full of shiat would be a lot more difficult if at all possible.
 
2013-04-29 11:13:42 AM

47 is the new 42: WTF Indeed: That's not surprising since both my toilet and Rand Paul are full of sh*t.

Don't you flush your toilet after taking a dump?  That would likely solve the first issue.  However, solving the issue of Rand Paul being full of shiat would be a lot more difficult if at all possible.



Likely, Kentucky voters will do what they did in replacing Jim Bunning being with "Doctor" Randy Paul. They'll wait for the current stinky big turd to drop, and then get ready for an even bigger, even stinkier turd.
 
2013-04-29 11:13:58 AM

rtaylor92: If there are penalties for not completing it than I guess I see Rand's point.


There's a $100 fine for not completing it to the best of your knowledge, and a $500 fine for lying. But the Constitution does  notlimit what questions can be part of the census- it only specifies one use of the census. The only real limitation on the census is that it can't violate the 4th or 5th Amendment- nothing gathered through the census can be used in criminal cases- and by statute it cannot ask about your religious affiliations.
 
2013-04-29 11:21:57 AM

EyeballKid: 47 is the new 42: WTF Indeed: That's not surprising since both my toilet and Rand Paul are full of sh*t.

Don't you flush your toilet after taking a dump?  That would likely solve the first issue.  However, solving the issue of Rand Paul being full of shiat would be a lot more difficult if at all possible.


Likely, Kentucky voters will do what they did in replacing Jim Bunning being with "Doctor" Randy Paul. They'll wait for the current stinky big turd to drop, and then get ready for an even bigger, even stinkier turd.


That doesn't solve the issue with Rand Paul being full of shiat though.  He'd probably just end up on the Fox News Propaganda News Propaganda Channel, still full of shiat.
 
2013-04-29 11:27:53 AM

rtaylor92: brandent: rtaylor92: Is the thing actually mandatory? I can't imagine any scenario where the government comes after you for not filling out their 14 page survey or for only filling out the sections and questions you choose to answer.

Yes it is.  Title 13.

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/about_the_survey/survey_is_legitimate/

http://uscode.house.gov/download/title_13.shtml

and penalties.

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/13C7.txt

minor penalties but still.

Tried to read through the third link but that just looks like a lot of gibberish. If there are penalties for not completing it than I guess I see Rand's point. It should be something you opt-in to. I can see penalties for providing false information once you have agreed to take it as the results may directly impact policy decisions but the thing should be optional in general.


I tried getting sense out of the third link and will take a guess as to what it says in decreasing order of severity.
a) any census worker who lies, steal info, unlawfully discloses info, etc gets heavy fine/prison.
b) don't lie or we fine/imprison you but not nearly so much as part a.
c) failure to comply or answer (i.e. not volunteer) we fine you $100.
d) these penalties supercede and replace the old patchwork of census laws/fines/penalties.

But that was a bunch of legal speak to weed through.
 
2013-04-29 12:12:28 PM

brandent: rtaylor92: Is the thing actually mandatory? I can't imagine any scenario where the government comes after you for not filling out their 14 page survey or for only filling out the sections and questions you choose to answer.

Yes it is.  Title 13.

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/about_the_survey/survey_is_legitimate/

http://uscode.house.gov/download/title_13.shtml

and penalties.

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/13C7.txt

minor penalties but still.


There are penalties, but not one person has ever been fined for not completing the survey.  If you don't want to do it, the only price to pay will be a couple of months of phone calls and personal visits from the census bureau.
 
2013-04-29 12:15:12 PM

brandent: rtaylor92: brandent: rtaylor92: Is the thing actually mandatory? I can't imagine any scenario where the government comes after you for not filling out their 14 page survey or for only filling out the sections and questions you choose to answer.

Yes it is.  Title 13.

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/about_the_survey/survey_is_legitimate/

http://uscode.house.gov/download/title_13.shtml

and penalties.

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/13C7.txt

minor penalties but still.

Tried to read through the third link but that just looks like a lot of gibberish. If there are penalties for not completing it than I guess I see Rand's point. It should be something you opt-in to. I can see penalties for providing false information once you have agreed to take it as the results may directly impact policy decisions but the thing should be optional in general.

I tried getting sense out of the third link and will take a guess as to what it says in decreasing order of severity.
a) any census worker who lies, steal info, unlawfully discloses info, etc gets heavy fine/prison.
b) don't lie or we fine/imprison you but not nearly so much as part a.
c) failure to comply or answer (i.e. not volunteer) we fine you $100.
d) these penalties supercede and replace the old patchwork of census laws/fines/penalties.

But that was a bunch of legal speak to weed through.


My house was selected as part of the survey in the last census.  Because the house at the time was essentially bachelor quarters (a bunch of thirty something single males individually leasing bedrooms), I'm sure it skewed the results in unintentionally funny ways.  I saw the survey, which was pretty straightforward - and detailed - with web addresses to go to for more information, which said in no uncertain terms that it was a legal document that had to be filled out and sent in the next couple of months.  One roommate then said he would fill it out and then forgot about it.  My other roommate happened to be at the house when a census worker knocked on the door to say that the Feds hadn't gotten the paperwork.  The third guy wound up sitting down with the census worker at the kitchen table and going over the survey in person for an hour or so while the worker keyed it into a tablet.

I guess some variant of this survey has been in use since the Jefferson administration in order to determine federal funding priorities.
 
2013-04-29 12:50:14 PM
According to the law, being forced to divulge personal household information in a census/poll/survey is a violation of privacy.
But since the government is all powerful, they will arrest you for your refusal.

Solution: Lie your ass off.

/Vote Outhouse 2016. He will get you your own personal shiatter freedom to be totally non-reliant on the cities sewage system.
//Outhouse 2016 will also give you the freedom to collect your own rainwater off your property which the chlorine lobby is much opposed too.
///Multi story outhouse for apartments is, get the hell outa da way as a poop is coming down the communal hole from the tenth floor.
 
2013-04-29 12:57:07 PM
betty white and the census worker from saturday night live.

Crappy quality for the Lulz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFPbjaeHlmk
 
2013-04-29 01:05:16 PM

sheep snorter: According to the law, being forced to divulge personal household information in a census/poll/survey is a violation of privacy.


Well, somebody obviously got their GED in law recently. Congratulations!
 
2013-04-29 03:14:08 PM
Truly, the most pressing issue of our time.
 
2013-04-29 05:24:56 PM
So Rand Paul sets his sight on a toilet and discovers his niche? At least now he knows where his neoconfederate bullshiat belongs.
 
2013-04-29 05:48:27 PM
FTA: "Just because it does some good doesn't mean the Census Bureau should do it."

And you have all you need to know about this situation and the people involved with it.
 
2013-04-29 07:14:44 PM

jjorsett: Lost Thought 00: In Rand Paul's ideal world, the government should just blindly throw darts to make policy decisions?

In your ideal world, everyone should bend the knee and answer any question the government deems relevant?


I used to be an adventurous, TEA Party patriot, but I took an arrow to the knee--shot from a government drone!
 
2013-04-29 07:29:10 PM

rtaylor92: brandent: rtaylor92: Is the thing actually mandatory? I can't imagine any scenario where the government comes after you for not filling out their 14 page survey or for only filling out the sections and questions you choose to answer.

Yes it is.  Title 13.

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/about_the_survey/survey_is_legitimate/

http://uscode.house.gov/download/title_13.shtml

and penalties.

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/13C7.txt

minor penalties but still.

Tried to read through the third link but that just looks like a lot of gibberish. If there are penalties for not completing it than I guess I see Rand's point. It should be something you opt-in to. I can see penalties for providing false information once you have agreed to take it as the results may directly impact policy decisions but the thing should be optional in general.


You need a random sample for valid results.

No one who claims the civic mindedness expected of an elected official should object to the ACS.
 
2013-04-30 11:11:31 AM

jjorsett: In your ideal world, everyone should bend the knee and answer any question the government deems relevant?


You poor, persecuted thing.

"bend the knee", seriously?

So, you have a problem with epidemiology?  Traffic surveys? Water consumption studies?  Truancy enforcement?  Air traffic controllers?  Food and drug inspection?  Building codes?

We live in a society, and societies have to have information to make rational decisions about how to allocate resources to simply plan for the future.

I swear, I can't even use the words "willful ignorance" to describe this mindset anymore.  I offer "arrogant ignorance" for general use.  I considered "militant" and "aggressive", but choose "arrogant" because these morons really believe that it is better to be uninformed, and that data is pernicious.

It's mind-boggling.

"Arrogant ignorance": I give it to you.  Use it wisely.
 
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