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(Short List)   Brawl breaks out near Everest summit. Swiss man heads home in a mood, Italian continues to the top, Nepalese don't give a shiat, French surrender   (shortlist.com) divider line 51
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2013-04-29 08:10:39 AM
Yeah, gotta claim that people can fight anywhere, anytime. Next stop, under the ocean.
 
2013-04-29 08:13:24 AM
Given the lack of oxygen near Everest's summit, the "brawl" was probably a half-hearted swing followed by 30 minutes of hyperventilating.
 
2013-04-29 08:15:11 AM

NutWrench: ... the "brawl" was probably a half-hearted swing followed by 30 minutes of hyperventilating.


Sounds like our local Elks Lodge on a Friday
 
2013-04-29 08:23:35 AM
Being anything but effusively kind to the people whose only motivation to lead me into and then back out of a place I'm very likely to be killed is the money I've already paid them just sounds like a bad idea.
 
2013-04-29 08:28:54 AM

LonMead: NutWrench: ... the "brawl" was probably a half-hearted swing followed by 30 minutes of hyperventilating.

Sounds like our local Elks Lodge on a Friday


This. Also LOL.
 
2013-04-29 08:45:25 AM
What a waste of oxygen.
 
2013-04-29 08:56:45 AM
Sounds like the Euro-weenies had it coming to them
 
2013-04-29 08:59:24 AM

esteban9: Yeah, gotta claim that people can fight anywhere, anytime. Next stop, under the ocean.


International Space Station.
 
2013-04-29 09:02:17 AM
Given the line-ups that form these days at the bottle necks during the 3-day weather window that constitutes the "season" (for all intents and purposes) it's likely only because of the low oxygen that there aren't more fights. There are plenty of equipment thefts, sabotage, and swindles though.
 
2013-04-29 09:05:35 AM
Rich asshole problems.
 
2013-04-29 09:14:44 AM
On this episode of COPS - Nepal....

I imagine they have like a Yak with a blue light bar that comes careening into camp
 
2013-04-29 09:17:48 AM

ruta: Given the line-ups that form these days at the bottle necks during the 3-day weather window that constitutes the "season" (for all intents and purposes) it's likely only because of the low oxygen that there aren't more fights. There are plenty of equipment thefts, sabotage, and swindles though.


This.  I'm pretty sure I've also read an article that predicted there would be a brawl on or near the summit in the future.  Well, apparently the future hath come.

Everest has become a joke.  It's probably one of climbing's great tragedies.  That one of the first people to climb the mountain is more proud of all the work he's done in the area below the mountain says a ton.
 
2013-04-29 09:28:06 AM
www.timdrussell.com

"Mount Everest. Forbidding, aloof, terrifying. The mountain with the biggest tits in the world."
 
2013-04-29 09:31:44 AM

taoistlumberjak: ruta: Given the line-ups that form these days at the bottle necks during the 3-day weather window that constitutes the "season" (for all intents and purposes) it's likely only because of the low oxygen that there aren't more fights. There are plenty of equipment thefts, sabotage, and swindles though.

This.  I'm pretty sure I've also read an article that predicted there would be a brawl on or near the summit in the future.  Well, apparently the future hath come.

Everest has become a joke.  It's probably one of climbing's great tragedies.  That one of the first people to climb the mountain is more proud of all the work he's done in the area below the mountain says a ton.


And anyone who is more proud of having climbed Everest than any work they've done below the mountain says a ton about them.
 
2013-04-29 09:42:35 AM
Hard to believe that somebody climbing Everest could be so Self-centered and Narcissistic.
 
2013-04-29 10:21:42 AM

LonMead: NutWrench: ... the "brawl" was probably a half-hearted swing followed by 30 minutes of hyperventilating.

Sounds like our local Elks Lodge on a Friday


my thoughts exactly
 
2013-04-29 10:26:03 AM
i work with several nepalese guys at my 2nd job. seriously nice guys...who also don't give a shiat. but really they are mostly good guys to work with.
 
2013-04-29 10:37:09 AM

Flakeloaf: Being anything but effusively kind to the people whose only motivation to lead me into and then back out of a place I'm very likely to be killed is the money I've already paid them just sounds like a bad idea.


These weren't tourists being guided.  The three climbers that were involved in the incident are big names in alpinism and were doing a new route, in alpine style, without oxygen. I imagine that Sherpas were fixing lines on a portion of the new route, or too close to the new route.  Egos get inflamed, I imagine they mouthed off to the Sherpas and the Sherpas got back at them at Camp 2.

Uli Steck holds the solo speed record on the Eiger.  Moro holds multiple winter ascents of 8000M peaks, and I believe he's done Everest without O2 a few times. Steck has done a few 8000M peaks without oxygen as well.
 
2013-04-29 11:13:37 AM

question_dj: Steck has done a few 8000M peaks without oxygen as well.


www.ims.bz

"pfffft. amateurs."
 
2013-04-29 11:18:24 AM

FlashHarry: question_dj: Steck has done a few 8000M peaks without oxygen as well.

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"pfffft. amateurs."


It's funny because Messner sees Steck and Moro as two of the best alpinists because they're pushing the limits of what can be done in alpine style.  Messner loves alpine style.
 
2013-04-29 11:24:18 AM
http://eveningsends.com/2013/04/everest-is-not-for-climbers/

Andrew Bishrat offers some insight.  So it seems that the Europeans were climbing free solo, the Sherpas were leading, fixing the ropes as they went.  They requested Steck and company not traverse while they were leading (because it's ridiculously unsafe to cross folks' lines) and they did it anyway.
 
2013-04-29 11:28:28 AM
Hey cool, France hasn't surrendered in a while.
 
2013-04-29 11:36:27 AM
Monday, 29 April 2013 13:35A team of high altitude sherpas were 'fixing' the Lhotse face and the climbers were asked to not touch the fixed ropes they were establishing. As such the trio climbed about 50m away and to the side of the Sherpa team to avoid disturbing them in their work. It should be noted that all three climbers have extensive climbing experience all over the world and were very aware of the work being carried out by the Sherpas and the respect given to them for it.

When the three climbers reached the height of their already established tent, they traversed across the snow and were forced to step over the lines of the Sherpas to reach their tent about 20 meters to the side. The climbers chose to step across the lines at a belay stance where 4 other sherpas were attached to the ice face whilst their lead climber continued to fix the line above. Stepping over the lines does not interfere in any way with the work being carried out. The climbers were soloing and not using ropes so there was no rope tangling either. In addition by passing beneath the lead climber no ice or snow could be knocked down on him.

Jonathan Griffith was in the lead at this point and after crossing the rope and traversing another 15 meters on a snow ramp Ueli Steck followed. At the point where Ueli Steck stepped over the rope the lead climber noticed the climbers below and began shouting and banging the ice with his axe erratically. Still shouting down at the climbers, he fixed his rope and abseiled down to the belay stance. As Ueli was soloing and therefore not attached to a rope it was natural that he should hold his hands up to take the impact of the force arriving on him form the lead climber abseiling right on to him. This prompted the lead climber to accuse Ueli Steck of 'touching him'. In between hitting the ice with all his force and screaming at Ueli Steck 'why you touch me' he said that they had kicked ice down on them and injured a Sherpa. Seeing as the trio were climbing a completely independent line and entirely on snow this is highly unlikely.

Ueli Steck tried to help calm the situation by offering to help fix the lines up to Camp 3 but this only made matters worse. Simone Moro then joined the team and the lead climber turned on him wielding his ice axe in his direction. Simone swore at the lead climber as is the natural reaction when faced with this aggression. No amount of talking would calm the lead Sherpa down and as a final act of defiance he ordered his whole team of 17 Sherpas off the Lhotse Face and back to Camp 2. There was no reason to descend off the mountain because of the three climbers. They had not touched or interfered with the Sherpa's work. To help smooth things over Ueli Steck fixed a further 260m of rope to Camp 3.

By the time the climbers descended back to Camp 2 some 100 Sherpas had grouped together and attacked the three climbers. They became instantly aggressive and not only punched and kicked the climbers, but threw many rocks as well. A small group of Westerners acted as a buffer between the out of control mob and the climbers, and they owe their lives to these brave and selfless people. Nevertheless all three climbers were attacked as well as many of the Westerners who were trying to calm the situation down. The climbers were told that by that night one of themwould be dead and the other two they would see to later. After about 50 minutes the crowd had calmed down and the climbers, who had been pushed away and told to hide, had regrouped and were told that if they weren't gone in one hour that they would all be killed.

The climbers packed the bare essentials and made a circuitous route back down to the base of Mount Everest in heavily crevassed terrain with no rope on, feeling that given the current situation this was the safest place to be.

The Sherpas said that the reason they attacked the climbers was because they had knocked ice down on a Sherpa below. As it stands no Sherpa has come forward to show any injury. Furthermore on an ice face getting hit by chunks of ice is a very natural occurrence. The climbers believe that the lead Sherpa was tired and cold and felt that his pride had been damaged as the three climbers were moving unroped and much faster to the side of him. Whatever the reason may be, there is no reason to instigate vigilante rule and to try and kill three visiting climbers.

The Nepalese authorities have taken the matter very seriously as have commercial teams on the mountain. At the moment the 3 ring leaders have been taken off the mountain and the Police, Ministry of Tourism and the head of the Sherpa Association are investigating.

The three climbers feel that they don't believe that their actions were the reasons behind such a mass attack. They believe that the reaction was from a far more deep rooted and long term problem, which is the way that Nepalis feel treated by Westerners on the mountain and this was a uprising against that. The three climbers are completely independent and not part of any commercial expedition.

The three climbers would like to extend a huge thank you to all those who saved their lives at Camp 2 and to those who are now taking over the investigation.

From Steck's website.

Sad, these guys are gentlemen.
 
2013-04-29 11:50:32 AM
I hate Everest climbers
 
2013-04-29 12:07:27 PM

Clemkadidlefark: I hate Everest climbers


I said the very same thing at the South Col.  Too many damn climbers.
 
2013-04-29 12:46:28 PM
Is it still OK to make racist jokes about the French? I need an updated list. I'm guessing I can still make racist fun of your Mom and maybe the Irish?
 
2013-04-29 01:11:30 PM
I wouldn't fark with the guys who know how to make you mysteriously disappear in an avalanche so that no one can even come looking for you.
 
2013-04-29 01:36:39 PM

HelloNeuman: Is it still OK to make racist jokes about the French? I need an updated list. I'm guessing I can still make racist fun of your Mom and maybe the Irish?


Since they aren't a 'race' I'm guessing it was never/always OK.
 
2013-04-29 01:42:53 PM
You see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps Himalayas?
 
2013-04-29 02:18:59 PM

New Age Redneck: The climbers packed the bare essentials and made a circuitous route back down to the base of Mount Everest in heavily crevassed terrain with no rope on, feeling that given the current situation this was the safest place to be.


So what you're saying is that the climbers elected not to get involved in a land war in Asia?  That was wise of them.
 
2013-04-29 02:29:16 PM

question_dj: It's funny because Messner sees Steck and Moro as two of the best alpinists because they're pushing the limits of what can be done in alpine style.  Messner loves alpine style.


oh, i know - i was just referring to the fact that he was the first to summit all 8000ers, many without oxygen. plus, he kind of invented alpine-style climbing.
 
2013-04-29 02:35:03 PM

New Age Redneck: Wisdom


Thank you for this.
 
2013-04-29 02:38:27 PM
ciberido

I said no such thing. That post is from Ueli Steck's website. 100 pissed off ice tool weilding Sherpa's, I'd have done the same.
 
2013-04-29 02:38:43 PM

ruta: taoistlumberjak: ruta: Given the line-ups that form these days at the bottle necks during the 3-day weather window that constitutes the "season" (for all intents and purposes) it's likely only because of the low oxygen that there aren't more fights. There are plenty of equipment thefts, sabotage, and swindles though.

This.  I'm pretty sure I've also read an article that predicted there would be a brawl on or near the summit in the future.  Well, apparently the future hath come.

Everest has become a joke.  It's probably one of climbing's great tragedies.  That one of the first people to climb the mountain is more proud of all the work he's done in the area below the mountain says a ton.

And anyone who is more proud of having climbed Everest than any work they've done below the mountain says a ton about them.


I've read quite a bit about mountaineering, and I'm convinced that you have to be an unflinching sociopath to become a high-calibre climber these days.
Then again, some of the histories that I've read seem to indicate that the type were always inclined towards climbing anyways.  It might be the lack of reasonable new ground that's driving away the sane.
 
2013-04-29 02:56:59 PM
Flakeloaf

    No problem. That was straight from one of the climbers, Ueli Steck.

    I can understand each persons point of view here for sure, it's too bad it got out of hand. Climbing the big ones with just a back pack and a rope is dangerous enough.
 
2013-04-29 03:12:50 PM
I'm reading this book right now. Apparently Everest is full of scummy people now, besides the inept climbers, garbage, and frozen bodies left on the mountain.

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-04-29 03:18:43 PM

dittybopper: Clemkadidlefark: I hate Everest climbers

I said the very same thing at the South Col.  Too many damn climbers.


that's why I pushed a few off the Hillary Step

/let me fix that rope for you buddy
 
2013-04-29 03:19:49 PM
Wealthy bags of dicks scouring the planet to find new and more exciting places to behave like bags of dicks.
 
2013-04-29 03:22:47 PM
taoistlumberjak

I've read quite a bit about mountaineering, and I'm convinced that you have to be an unflinching sociopath to become a high-calibre climber these days.
Then again, some of the histories that I've read seem to indicate that the type were always inclined towards climbing anyways.  It might be the lack of reasonable new ground that's driving away the sane.


   I disagree. I don't read a whole lot about climbing but I have participated in the activity for 20 years or so. I have been fortunate to interact with some of the elite and while there are assholes, most are humble, cool human beings. Much like here on the fark....some good folks....some dicks....I think when you make a statement like that you are painting with pretty broad strokes and it's tough to justify when it is a case of "so says the man who hasn't been there"
    Climbing at its worst is dick measuring and ego, I can't stand that aspect of it. Climbing at its best is humbling, spiritual, and forces you to make honest assessments of your abilities and objectives things that many people desiring to improve themselves embrace. It is nowhere near being "all done", even for someone of my modest abilities. Everest is done because nearly everyone climbing it is doing so in dreadful style, essentially cheating. G4, Latok, Devil's Thumb, etc. there is no shortage of rad stuff to do.....
 
2013-04-29 03:28:25 PM

New Age Redneck: ciberido

I said no such thing. That post is from Ueli Steck's website. 100 pissed off ice tool weilding Sherpa's, I'd have done the same.


too bad they didn't have a gun
 
2013-04-29 04:18:28 PM

New Age Redneck: Everest is done because nearly everyone climbing it is doing so in dreadful style


Well there is a route or two left on Everest no one has done yet, including Fantasy Ridge.
 
2013-04-29 04:30:14 PM
WhyteRaven74

Well there is a route or two left on Everest no one has done yet, including Fantasy Ridge.

    Agreed. That comment was directed at the "parade" up the normal route and the north ridge.

    Last I heard of real climbing on a new route on the big E was Russians climbing a route up the north face (Pavel Chabalin) having to dodge the spent oxygen bottles being thrown off the north ridge....seriously. Many places where you can new route without the sh*tshow that is Everest. Like I said above, Latok, G4, etc. offer serious challenge......
 
2013-04-29 05:28:05 PM
Mount Everest.

It'll still be there.

Why bother?
 
2013-04-29 05:29:23 PM
When I'm not thinking in paragraphs and chapters, I tend to think in T-shirt slogans.

I could be a very rich man if I weren't allergic to hard work.

It gives me hives.
 
2013-04-29 06:26:45 PM
The should have unleashed the awesome power of apples.

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2013-04-29 06:28:34 PM

New Age Redneck: taoistlumberjak

I've read quite a bit about mountaineering, and I'm convinced that you have to be an unflinching sociopath to become a high-calibre climber these days.
Then again, some of the histories that I've read seem to indicate that the type were always inclined towards climbing anyways.  It might be the lack of reasonable new ground that's driving away the sane.

   I disagree. I don't read a whole lot about climbing but I have participated in the activity for 20 years or so. I have been fortunate to interact with some of the elite and while there are assholes, most are humble, cool human beings. Much like here on the fark....some good folks....some dicks....I think when you make a statement like that you are painting with pretty broad strokes and it's tough to justify when it is a case of "so says the man who hasn't been there"
    Climbing at its worst is dick measuring and ego, I can't stand that aspect of it. Climbing at its best is humbling, spiritual, and forces you to make honest assessments of your abilities and objectives things that many people desiring to improve themselves embrace. It is nowhere near being "all done", even for someone of my modest abilities. Everest is done because nearly everyone climbing it is doing so in dreadful style, essentially cheating. G4, Latok, Devil's Thumb, etc. there is no shortage of rad stuff to do.....


Oh god Devil's Thumb...I don't put the northwest face of that mountain on any reasonable lists.  I know there's still a good amount of new ground for people to explore, but it's starting to feel to me like it's being snapped up by the aforementioned sociopaths.
I think my view is skewed by the fact that I seem to only notice the assholes, and I tend to take a dim view of how people treat the mountains.  I'm not a climber, nor will I ever be with my fear of heights.  That said, I still think that way, way too many people place themselves and others in mortal peril because of their ego.  Everest seems to be the best place for that to happen.
Then again, I do forget that history is full of crazy people who were inclined towards vertical paths.
 
2013-04-29 06:59:05 PM
Looks like SOMEONE needs a Luckydo.
 
2013-04-29 07:08:21 PM
ciberido:So what you're saying is that the climbers elected not to get involved in a land war in Asia?  That was wise of them.

New Age Redneck: ciberido

I said no such thing. That post is from Ueli Steck's website. 100 pissed off ice tool weilding Sherpa's, I'd have done the same.


1.bp.blogspot.com

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
 
2013-04-29 09:21:02 PM

Flakeloaf: Being anything but effusively kind to the people whose only motivation to lead me into and then back out of a place I'm very likely to be killed is the money I've already paid them just sounds like a bad idea.


Except the Swiss man was Ueli Steck, and I highly doubt anyone was guiding him. He also didn't return to Kathmandu. He's still on the mountain, this story is wrong.
 
2013-04-29 11:49:59 PM

TheHopeDiamond: Looks like SOMEONE needs a Luckydo.


LOL. I have many, many Luckydos for kind person who help Grummels.

/wondered if someone was going to go there
 
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