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2013-04-29 07:17:39 AM
I have a cutie 6 month old chihuahua mix (we're guessing the mix is Jack Russell, because he the ears and coloring of a Jack). He loves to bite my fingers, my ears, face, etc, when he plays. He's certainly not being vicious at all, but that's just how puppies play. I'll bet the pit puppies in TFA were just playing, and I'll also bet some animal control management idiot will insist that they need to be put down.
 
2013-04-29 07:38:41 AM
My boy George who is a mix. Does that make him kind of evil?
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2013-04-29 08:12:47 AM
"If you named them Jager and Meister..."

Not uncommon in Wisconsin.
 
2013-04-29 08:19:29 AM

SVenus: ;Married a woman 17 years ago that had two pit bull/ Rottweiller mix dogs.  Very aggressive dogs.

Smith and Wesson.


Girlfriend or dogs?

Fat_46: Pitties, among other breeds, seem exceptionally susceptible to producing less-than-desirable traits as a result of inbreeding. They seem to have a hidden "switch" in their brains that causes a seemingly docile dog to go temporarily feral, then back to docile in a matter of minutes.

Just my $.02, but I've seen the results, and have a nearly universal distrust of pitties now.


Exactly. Pit bulls can be very affectionate... until they are not. And you can't tell when that will be.
 
2013-04-29 08:32:26 AM

John Buck 41: serial_crusher: I'd name mine Woodford and Reserve.

Jack and Daniel?
Bud and Wiser?
Jim and Beam?
Evan and William?
George and Dickel?
Old and Turkey?



Don't you mean Wild and Turkey?

/haven't read the thread, someone may have already noted this
 
2013-04-29 08:39:07 AM

Sarah Saturn: When I was a kid, one of my neighbors had a german shepherd named Michelob. One day, my neighbor was out walking him and my mother told her not to let the dog get too close to me because she was afraid he'd bite me. The neighbor assured her that he'd never bite anyone. As soon as she said it, Michelob bit me right in the face.

//another neighbor had a dog named Hitler, who, shockingly, never did bite me (as much as he lived up to that name)


well of course he didn't bite you... he let everyone else do the dirty work... just like the real one.
 
2013-04-29 08:47:56 AM

Ex-Texan: Mine were George and Gracie. When we got them, I wanted to name them Sid and Nancy, but the GF won out.


did you get them close or at the Oceanographic Institute?
 
2013-04-29 08:49:26 AM

Eeteetoo: My boy George who is a mix. Does that make him kind of evil?
[farm9.staticflickr.com image 240x186]


/333 - Half Evil
 
2013-04-29 08:54:59 AM
can't believe I am the first (albeit late):

static.uglyhedgehog.com
/What a pitbull may look like...

Best breed of dog (large) with children is well known for it, and is purchased specifically for that trait (among other reasons):

www.gentlegiantsrescue.com
/The one in the back seat
 
2013-04-29 09:32:36 AM

Gyrfalcon: Fat_46: Years ago pit bulls **were** awesome dogs.  Smart, loyal, and fairly gentle.  However, in the late 80's /early 90's they started to get popular.  Some breeders, desperate for more money, started intensive inbreeding programs, all in the name of revenue.  I really don't know if there are any "pure" blood lines left, as is the story with a number of other breeds.  Pitties, among other breeds, seem exceptionally susceptible to producing less-than-desirable traits as a result of inbreeding.  They seem to have a hidden "switch" in their brains that causes a seemingly docile dog to go temporarily feral, then back to docile in a matter of minutes.

Just my $.02, but I've seen the results, and have a nearly universal distrust of pitties now.

No, I've heard that and I don't buy it. I don't think they are any worse (or any better) than any other breed--although inbreeding and puppy mills are no doubt magnifying bad traits. It's just that pit bulls were created for a very special purpose: To fight in (obviously) dog pits. So they were bred hundreds of years ago when the lines first got started from bull terriers and bulldogs for their bite strength, powerful necks and shoulders, what breeders and trainers call "go" or forward drive, and to tend to ignore instinctive surrender signals that other dogs give when they're beaten. Because after all, dog fighters don't want a dog that will show mercy when the beaten dog whines, cowers or rolls over in submission. They want two dogs that will neither surrender nor acknowledge a surrender.

The result is a dog that is no more likely to attack than a Chihuahua; the difference is when it does, it's harder to pull back (because it's much stronger and heavier), does a lot more damage (because it has bigger jaws with more musculature), is undeterred by the other dog's size, and tends to ignore cowering or cringing as a sign of surrender. There's a dumbass woman up the block who has a very ill-mannered Chihuahua mix:

It lunges, snaps, barks, does all the things that would make it a killer if it was a pit bull. Since it's a rat dog, she can control it with one hand on the leash, and if it was loose, a five-year old child could kick it across the road. But it's just as mean and aggressive as any killer pit bull.

Was this supposed to be a defense of pit bulls?  Seems like a pretty solid argument against them.
 
2013-04-29 09:43:27 AM
Jenna and Talya

/pervert
 
2013-04-29 10:47:53 AM
i.imgur.com
Ban humans
 
2013-04-29 11:01:24 AM

thorthor: QCB79: Fact :ALL pitbulls are dangerous killers who will at some point go insane and maul random people to death.

also:
ALL Mexicans are illegal immigrants
ALL Black people are lazy
ALL guns owners will go on shooting sprees
ALL Muslims are terrorists
ALL Irish are drunks
ALL white people are racists
ALL asians are excellent at math

you cant argue with facts

Breeds of Dogs Involved in Fatal Human Attacks in the United States Between 1979 and 1998

A 2000 report issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reviewed a 20-year period to determine the types of dog breeds most responsible for U.S. dog bite fatalities.

During 1997 and 1998, at least 27 people died of dog bite attacks (18 in 1997 and 9 in 1998). At least 25 breeds of dogs were involved in 238 human dog bite related fatalities during the past 20 years. Pit bulls and rottweilers were involved in over half of these fatalities and from 1997 to 1998 were involved in 67%.

/yep,them damn facts can be a real biatch cant they?


The problem with these stats is that there are soooo many dogs that can be lumped into the "pit bull" category.  With the exception of the American Pit Bull Terrier (a relatively recent breed), there's no such thing as a true pit bull.  They're mutts that are some mix of Mastiff, Bull Mastiff, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, APBT, Bull Terrier (the same breed as Spuds McKenzie), Dogo Argentino (which looks a lot like a pit bull but is a mix of about 6 different dogs, from Great Dane to Bull Terrier, with some Boxer & Great Pyrenese thrown in) and who knows what other dogs.  If you mix a Lab and an American Pit Bull Terrier, you have a mutt that looks like what people think is a "pit bull" but it's really just a mutt.

So the stats are skewed by the sheer number of dogs that can be described as "pit bulls" vs. obvious German Shepherds or Rotties (which are usually the 2nd & 3rd most common in bite stats).  But the biggest problem w/"pit bulls" is the same as the problem with Dobies, Rotties, & German Shepherds in the 60s, 70s, & 80s--assholes like big, scary dogs.  And said assholes don't train dogs right or treat them badly, so they turn mean.
 
2013-04-29 12:26:52 PM
And it double seals the deal if you pronounce the first one "Jay-Ger".
 
2013-04-29 12:47:15 PM

mbillips: Odds that those two pitties were unneutered males? I'm guessing around 100 percent.

/Cut their balls off, fix 90 percent of behavioral problems
//Even more true of cats


THIS. Also they were at the age when they probably just starting to feel their oats.
 
2013-04-29 01:24:30 PM

brigid_fitch: The problem with these stats is that there are soooo many dogs that can be lumped into the "pit bull" category. With the exception of the American Pit Bull Terrier (a relatively recent breed), there's no such thing as a true pit bull. They're mutts that are some mix of Mastiff, Bull Mastiff, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, APBT, Bull Terrier (the same breed as Spuds McKenzie), Dogo Argentino (which looks a lot like a pit bull but is a mix of about 6 different dogs, from Great Dane to Bull Terrier, with some Boxer & Great Pyrenese thrown in) and who knows what other dogs. If you mix a Lab and an American Pit Bull Terrier, you have a mutt that looks like what people think is a "pit bull" but it's really just a mutt.

So the stats are skewed by the sheer number of dogs that can be described as "pit bulls" vs. obvious German Shepherds or Rotties (which are usually the 2nd & 3rd most common in bite stats). But the biggest problem w/"pit bulls" is the same as the problem with Dobies, Rotties, & German Shepherds in the 60s, 70s, & 80s--assholes like big, scary dogs. And said assholes don't train dogs right or treat them badly, so they turn mean.


Where there's smoke...

End result is the Bichon Frise isn't going to maul as many kids as a Pit Bull of any variety
 
2013-04-29 01:56:07 PM
What's next? Educated people naming their dogs Cotes and d'Or?
 
2013-04-29 03:09:56 PM
Little known fact: Pitbulls were specially bred in secret laboratories by mad scientists to bring about the extinction of the human race.

True story.


/A lot of you people are quite stupid.
/But thats ok, par for the course
 
2013-04-29 03:24:52 PM
One of my favorite dogs of all time was Jagermeister.  He was a 145 lb Rottweiler who was the biggest baby.  He lived next door and loved my kids.

awww, csb
 
2013-04-29 04:47:12 PM

FriarReb98: I'm gonna have to go ahead and say I hate Jagermeister.

\guessing if the owner's dumb enough to name the dogs that, he probably isn't taking care of them either.


Shots were not up to date (and they're pups, so that probably means no shots at all) so yeah.
 
2013-04-29 05:30:54 PM
Michael Vick would be pleased.
 
2013-04-29 06:17:56 PM

ArcadianRefugee: John Buck 41: serial_crusher: I'd name mine Woodford and Reserve.

Jack and Daniel?
Bud and Wiser?
Jim and Beam?
Evan and William?
George and Dickel?
Old and Turkey?

"Old"?


Jesus. Mea Culpa. Was drinking Evan Williams at the time of posting.


As I am now.


Update on the story. Dogs are still under quarantine; havn't been put down. Yet. Girl out of hospital, no charges have been filed. Yet.



Link
 
2013-04-29 06:27:31 PM

orclover: [i.imgur.com image 512x340]
Ban humans


That's beautiful. Thank you.

Signed, Subby.

The headline was an indictment of the asshole owner, not the breed.
 
2013-04-29 06:34:06 PM

Albert911emt: I have a cutie 6 month old chihuahua mix (we're guessing the mix is Jack Russell, because he the ears and coloring of a Jack). He loves to bite my fingers, my ears, face, etc, when he plays. He's certainly not being vicious at all, but that's just how puppies play. I'll bet the pit puppies in TFA were just playing, and I'll also bet some animal control management idiot will insist that they need to be put down.


She was hospitalized. If that's "just playing", then it's an argument against pits, not for them.
 
2013-04-29 07:01:49 PM

FriarReb98: I'm gonna have to go ahead and say I hate Jagermeister.

\guessing if the owner's dumb enough to name the dogs that, he probably isn't taking care of them either.


Given that their shots weren't up to date, I'm going to have to upgrade that 'probably' to 'certainly'.

stiletto_the_wise: In before the Pit Bull Apologists who will flood in to tell us all how THEIR little purebred death dog would NEVER hurt a fly, and that the one in the article is a lone bad apple, not representative of the entire breed.


As my family loves Boston Terriers, a dog breed often mistaken for pit bulls(understandable) and is sometimes included in 'pit bull' bans, I'm going to chime in here:
There are essentially two breeds of 'pit bull' today.  You have the ones from responsible breeders, that are not normally human aggressive.  Then you have a substantial number(can't really say if they outnumber the responsibly bred ones or not) of people breeding and buying pit bulls because they've gotten the same reputation of 'tough/cool/aggressive' as rottweilers had a while back.  They're also the idiots stupid enough to not properly socialize their dogs, actually train them to be more aggressive, etc...

The problem is that if you ban 'pit bulls' or even just heavily regulate them that the latter type of people will simply move to a new breed.  Weimaraners, perhaps.
Boston:upload.wikimedia.orgPit Bull:upload.wikimedia.org

Trick:  Bostons run 25 pounds max(otherwise they don't meet breed standards), American Staffordshires run up to 60.  Don't know about Pit Bulls, but the jaws on a Boston are strong enough to spin the dog in a circle while holding a tug toy.
 
2013-04-29 07:36:25 PM
I always heard both sides of the argument - pits are dangerous and kill, pits are really sweet and loyal and the bad ones were raised poorly.  I like dogs in general (I'm not one to gush over them, but I have no problem with more mellow, relaxed dogs), I'm comfortable around them, I have never been bitten by one...

Until a year and a half ago when I was visiting a friend's place.  His brother's dog (a pit) was there along with his own dog (a mutt, with terrier and beagle in the mix I think).  Had no problems with either dog throughout the stay, both ambled around, stopped for some pats on the head, and ambled off.  In helping him clear the table, I bring an armful of empty soda cans into the house, where his brother's dog walks up, jumps in the air and clamps down on my forearm.  I did nothing aggressive, simply walked in the door with 4 or 5 soda cans.

I can still see the scar she left on the underside of my arm, the mark on top has faded down significantly.  I love my friends, but I thought they handled it very badly.  It took 2 more bites (FAMILY members!) for them to finally demand that the brother removed the dog from the house.

I volunteer at an animal shelter, and there are several pit/pit mixes there.  They are all very nice (some more barky than others), but I would never adopt any of them.  Friend's dog showed NO signs of being aggressive either.

People can argue about how great pits are and get a bad rap, but in my almost 40 years on this planet, I don't need another experience to tell me pits are bad news.
 
2013-04-29 07:51:22 PM
KaiC:

People can argue about how great pits are and get a bad rap, but in my almost 40 years on this planet, I don't need another experience to tell me pits are bad news.

I got robbed by a black guy.


Just sayin'.
 
2013-04-29 08:19:33 PM

FarkinHostile: KaiC:

People can argue about how great pits are and get a bad rap, but in my almost 40 years on this planet, I don't need another experience to tell me pits are bad news.

I got robbed by a black guy.


Just sayin'.


The negative stories about pits being seemingly chill and then biting someone without warning was backed up when one did that exact thing to me.  So I should just disregard all those stories and my experience?  I'm dumb, but not THAT dumb.

Just sayin'.
 
2013-04-29 08:34:51 PM

KaiC: FarkinHostile: KaiC:

People can argue about how great pits are and get a bad rap, but in my almost 40 years on this planet, I don't need another experience to tell me pits are bad news.

I got robbed by a black guy.


Just sayin'.

The negative stories about pits being seemingly chill and then biting someone without warning was backed up when one did that exact thing to me.  So I should just disregard all those stories and my experience?  I'm dumb, but not THAT dumb.

Just sayin'.


And all the stories about blacks being criminals was backed when I was robbed by one. Should I not cross the street when one is on the same side as me? I'm not that dumb, either.

Sounds farked up when I put it that way, doesn't it? If you honestly believe that dog "breeds" have such traits, then why not human "breeds"? It's just biology, right? Or perhaps media fear-mongering and your admittedly bad personal experience have caused you to think in a bad way, but you don't HAVE TO think like that. Frankly, it's just not true.

I run into pitbull prejudice on occasion. When they tell me "Oh, he is SO good....for a pitbull." I understand why black people get offended at "He speaks SO well...."
 
2013-04-29 09:00:58 PM

bhcompy: brigid_fitch: The problem with these stats is that there are soooo many dogs that can be lumped into the "pit bull" category. With the exception of the American Pit Bull Terrier (a relatively recent breed), there's no such thing as a true pit bull. They're mutts that are some mix of Mastiff, Bull Mastiff, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, APBT, Bull Terrier (the same breed as Spuds McKenzie), Dogo Argentino (which looks a lot like a pit bull but is a mix of about 6 different dogs, from Great Dane to Bull Terrier, with some Boxer & Great Pyrenese thrown in) and who knows what other dogs. If you mix a Lab and an American Pit Bull Terrier, you have a mutt that looks like what people think is a "pit bull" but it's really just a mutt.

So the stats are skewed by the sheer number of dogs that can be described as "pit bulls" vs. obvious German Shepherds or Rotties (which are usually the 2nd & 3rd most common in bite stats). But the biggest problem w/"pit bulls" is the same as the problem with Dobies, Rotties, & German Shepherds in the 60s, 70s, & 80s--assholes like big, scary dogs. And said assholes don't train dogs right or treat them badly, so they turn mean.

Where there's smoke...

End result is the Bichon Frise isn't going to maul as many kids as a Pit Bull of any variety


You missed the whole point.  The stats are skewed because so many dogs are (wrongly) considered "pitbull-types".  The ratio's all off.  When you've got 5,000* mutts that people call "pit bulls" and 400* German Shepherds, there are going to be more "pit bulls" in the bite statistics.

And, no, Bichons aren't going to go mauling 12-yo's because they're small dogs that a 12-yo can kick and hurt right back.  But they could be just as nasty as the worst pitbull, German Shepherd, or Lab that hasn't been raised properly--just won't do as much damage simply because of their size.  Still doesn't mean a pitbull is inherently dangerous.

*Numbers are completely hypothetical.
 
2013-04-29 09:06:51 PM

KaiC: In helping him clear the table, I bring an armful of empty soda cans into the house, where his brother's dog walks up, jumps in the air and clamps down on my forearm.  I did nothing aggressive, simply walked in the door with 4 or 5 soda cans.


Maybe it was the cans that set the dog off.  My Great Dane went absolutely berserk the first time she saw mylar balloons.  Husband brought them home from the office--his co-workers had bought him some for his birthday.  She just went out-of-her-mind insane with fear, snarling and growling, hackles all raised.  I swear she would have attacked my husband had I not grabbed her and he ran back outside w/the balloons.  The rest of the time, she's a big, dumb, goofy puppy.  But show her mylar balloons and she goes crazy.
 
2013-04-29 11:06:47 PM

brigid_fitch: KaiC: In helping him clear the table, I bring an armful of empty soda cans into the house, where his brother's dog walks up, jumps in the air and clamps down on my forearm.  I did nothing aggressive, simply walked in the door with 4 or 5 soda cans.

Maybe it was the cans that set the dog off.  My Great Dane went absolutely berserk the first time she saw mylar balloons.  Husband brought them home from the office--his co-workers had bought him some for his birthday.  She just went out-of-her-mind insane with fear, snarling and growling, hackles all raised.  I swear she would have attacked my husband had I not grabbed her and he ran back outside w/the balloons.  The rest of the time, she's a big, dumb, goofy puppy.  But show her mylar balloons and she goes crazy.


I had a half Collie/German Shepherd named Harley Tucker.

farm6.staticflickr.com
85 pounds of sweetness. One time (not at band camp) the rear window was down 6 inches and an idiot gas pump jockey thought it would be fun to reach in and pet him. Bad idea. No bite, thankfully, but it could've ended badly.

Always ask the owner first. ALWAYS.
 
2013-04-30 08:14:07 AM
FarkinHostile:

Sounds farked up when I put it that way, doesn't it? If you honestly believe that dog "breeds" have such traits, then why not human "breeds"? It's just biology, right? Or perhaps media fear-mongering and your admittedly bad personal experience have caused you to think in a bad way, but you don't HAVE TO think like that. Frankly, it's just not true.

Do I believe that every single pitbull is a timebomb waiting to happen?  No.  But when I hear stories like this over and over, and owners wailing about how "they never did anything like this before!  S/he was always so sweet and gentle!" just before they went all wonky and tore someone's face off, then I walk into someone's house (having walked in and out several times without a problem with a soda I was drinking in my hand) and get bitten hard enough to leave scars that are still there...  well excuse the hell out of me for saying "no pits near me TYVM."  It's the same as knowing I should probably not hang around the bad part of town at 2am with a spaghetti strap purse - are all people who live and work in the bad part of town going to rob me?  No, but let me use my common sense and sense of self-preservation for a minute.

As for the follow up comment re: the mylar balloons - sounds like you had enough warning to be able to grab the dog and allow hubby to exit the house, doggy not such a big fan of mylar balloons.  Absolutely no warning with me, she approached me non-aggressively and when she jumped up I actually thought she was just being playful until she chomped down and I felt the pain in my arm.  It might have been the cans, but the household has a second fridge in the garage stocked full of beer and soda for gatherings, presumably family and friends have had many aluminum cans around before I visited.  What was I supposed to do?

If this makes me a bad person, so be it.  BAD HUMAN, NO COOKIE!
 
2013-04-30 10:38:41 AM

KaiC: If this makes me a bad person, so be it. BAD HUMAN, NO COOKIE!



It doesn't make you a bad person, no more than a person who is afraid of black people because they got robbed by one is.

It's understandable. Sad, but understandable.
 
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