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(Bangor Daily News)   You might be a redneck if your two 7 month old pit bull pups bite a 12 y/o girl. If you named them Jager and Meister that kinda seals the deal   (bangordailynews.com) divider line 182
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2013-04-29 01:00:44 AM  
Thunder and Bird

Actually I like those names.
 
2013-04-29 01:05:14 AM  
"But Staffordshire Terriers can do more damage! RED LINE BREEDS AHDLIGHIDHGFGHIDGH"

All dogs can carry rabies. All dogs can pass on disease and do damage. Vilifying the Nanny Dog just makes you sound like a derp. Playground accidents kill more kids than staffies per year.

/ban playgrounds!
//parents have an American Bull Dog
 
2013-04-29 01:09:14 AM  
Fact :ALL pitbulls are dangerous killers who will at some point go insane and maul random people to death.

also:
ALL Mexicans are illegal immigrants
ALL Black people are lazy
ALL guns owners will go on shooting sprees
ALL Muslims are terrorists
ALL Irish are drunks
ALL white people are racists
ALL asians are excellent at math

you cant argue with facts
 
2013-04-29 01:16:44 AM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: John Buck 41: serial_crusher: I'd name mine Woodford and Reserve.

Jack and Daniel?
Bud and Wiser?
Jim and Beam?
Evan and William?
George and Dickel?
Old and Turkey?

Night & Train
Mad Dog & 20/20 (20/20 on his papers, but I'd call 'em "40".)
Blue & Nun
Cold & Duck
Rumple Minze & Vomit
Fightin' & Cock
Ou & Zo
Ernest & Julio
Bartles & James
Cisco & Four Loko
Champagne & Purell


I knew someone who had two retrievers named Molson and Golden.
 
2013-04-29 01:20:02 AM  

QCB79: Fact :ALL pitbulls are dangerous killers who will at some point go insane and maul random people to death.

also:
ALL Mexicans are illegal immigrants
ALL Black people are lazy
ALL guns owners will go on shooting sprees
ALL Muslims are terrorists
ALL Irish are drunks
ALL white people are racists
ALL asians are excellent at math

you cant argue with facts


Breeds of Dogs Involved in Fatal Human Attacks in the United States Between 1979 and 1998

A 2000 report issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reviewed a 20-year period to determine the types of dog breeds most responsible for U.S. dog bite fatalities.

During 1997 and 1998, at least 27 people died of dog bite attacks (18 in 1997 and 9 in 1998). At least 25 breeds of dogs were involved in 238 human dog bite related fatalities during the past 20 years. Pit bulls and rottweilers were involved in over half of these fatalities and from 1997 to 1998 were involved in 67%.

/yep,them damn facts can be a real biatch cant they?
 
2013-04-29 01:30:23 AM  

thorthor: Statistics generally don't lie


Usually don't post in these threads because nothing I say will change the derp....but...LOLWHUT?

Fark has a nearly universal cry of "You can't trust statistics!"

Until they support something you agree with.....

Then they don't lie. :D
 
2013-04-29 01:32:26 AM  

John Buck 41: serial_crusher: I'd name mine Woodford and Reserve.

Jack and Daniel?
Bud and Wiser?
Jim and Beam?
Evan and William?
George and Dickel?
Old and Turkey?


"Old"?
 
2013-04-29 01:33:18 AM  
As any sensible dog owning judge will say:  Awwwe those itty bitty puppies bit you?  C'mon man!
 
2013-04-29 01:36:04 AM  
a LLama once bit my sister...
 
2013-04-29 01:37:14 AM  
The Dogs of Peace strike again!!!
 
2013-04-29 01:44:34 AM  

Ihaveanevilparrot: thorthor: Statistics generally don't lie

Usually don't post in these threads because nothing I say will change the derp....but...LOLWHUT?

Fark has a nearly universal cry of "You can't trust statistics!"

Until they support something you agree with.....

Then they don't lie. :D


Maybe I'm gullible, but I do tend to believe stats from the CDC rather than buzzfeed or the daily fail, which most farkers tend to rely heavily on.

But you are correct in saying that the general attitude is "I don't believe that reputable organization because.. well because.. I just don't believe it."

Same people who are sure Alex Jones and Glen Beck would never lie to further there own agenda.

Not to belabor the point but what motivation exactely would the CDC have in lying about these stats?

Not trying to start a fight, just wondering.
 
2013-04-29 01:50:34 AM  
Every dog, no matter what it is doing, is thinking about the moment that its us or them

Be ready.
 
2013-04-29 01:51:09 AM  

thorthor: During 1997 and 1998, at least 27 people died of dog bite attacks (18 in 1997 and 9 in 1998). At least 25 breeds of dogs were involved in 238 human dog bite related fatalities during the past 20 years. Pit bulls and rottweilers were involved in over half of these fatalities and from 1997 to 1998 were involved in 67%.


Except for an accurate assessment of whether that's a good general determination of dangerous behavior in the breed, you need to compare those figures, if you assume they're correct, to how many of the breed are here in the first place.

How common are fatalities and serious attacks compared to the number of those breeds present in the U.S.? There are not good figures on how many Pit Bulls are present in the U.S.

And even the CDC says their bite statistics based on breed may be inaccurate. These statistics are based on MEDIA coverage, and we all know the media are the most unbias researchers available.

In any case...what is the likelihood of a fatal attack from any breed? It's low. Low enough that general bans based on paranoia are silly.
 
2013-04-29 01:53:53 AM  

thorthor: Not to belabor the point but what motivation exactely would the CDC have in lying about these stats?


Read my last post, it explains a lot.

The CDC is not specifically lying, but (and even they admit it) their statistics in this case don't have good reliable data in the first place.

There just aren't any scientifically carried out and unbias studies on this subject. There is so much emotion on both sides, it seeps into everything.
 
2013-04-29 01:58:08 AM  

brigid_fitch: Gyrfalcon: great_tigers: Gyrfalcon: Puppies bite kids! This is somehow news! Film at 11!

https://www.google.com/search?q=7+month+old+pit+bull&client=safari&h l= en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=IOJ9UfzkCMTurQGlzoCQCg&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAA &biw=768&bih=928

Hardly a puppy. Much is in the up bringing of a dog. That said, any dog can be raised to be aggressive, not all dogs can be controlled 100 percent of the time. Training and discipline are required to minimize this as much as possible.

If a 12-year old is a child, a 7-month dog is a puppy. It has to do with the immaturity of the animal. That said, I'm sure it was not the first time the dogs had been aggressive, and I'm sure all previous incidents had been laughed off because they were "so cyute". Just like when the neighbor's Chihuahua nibbles your ankles.

It's both the immaturity of the animal and the upbringing.  I adopted a 1-yo Great Dane 4 months ago who'd never been trained or socialized.  She's a 120-lb puppy and her training priority was housebreaking, stopping her from jumping on people, and stopping her from biting.  It's been 4 months and the first 2 priorities were taken care of within a month (although she'll still try to jump if she's excited but a firm command will snap her out of it).  But the biting takes more time, again, especially if she's excited.  Because she'a a puppy and she wasn't trained.

But only an asshole would own a large puppy and not train it out of biting people.  We didn't even introduce her to new people for the first 2 months we had her, just to be on the safe side.


That's a Windjammer fairing on your bike.
 
2013-04-29 02:04:42 AM  
That's cool. Lets just agree to dissagree. You go out and buy a couple pittbulls, and a couple rottys and let them play with the neiborhood kids. STATISTICALLY, and I know you hate that word, you've probably got at least a 20-30 % chance of them not biting one or more of the kids. Good luck and godspeed. Ill stick with my Labs and well check back in a year. Let the testing begin.

/btw I never suggested banning any breed
//just said I wouldn't trust em around my kids
 
2013-04-29 02:06:47 AM  

JolobinSmokin: I have a half pit half Boston terrier.


Mutts are the best dogs
"Pure Breds" are genetically selected mutants

... gets on soapbox ...
STOP farkING WITH THE GENETICS OF THE ANIMAL THAT LOVES US THE MOST !!!
END "PURE" BREEDING !!!
... gets off soapbox ...

// washes hands, walks away quietly
/ gets attacked by a pair of redneck puppies
 
2013-04-29 02:19:39 AM  

another cultural observer: skinink: "If a 12-year old is a child, a 7-month dog is a puppy...."

I suppose you're taking into consideration the age of the dog in dog years? Before I even read your post I looked up how big a 7 month old pitbulll could be, which averages 55 pounds. Yea those dogs are only seven months old but I don't really think I'd wanna fark around with two pitbulls weighing 55 pounds each.

Two 7-pound Chihuahuas would do more damage than those pitties, every single time.  Chihuahua's are more aggressive due to their small stature and can be like piranha.


So what you're saying is, being bitten by a piranha is worse than being bitten by a shark. Guess it could be true. But I'll take on the piranha, thanks.
 
2013-04-29 02:23:26 AM  

reubendaley: Every dog, no matter what it is doing, is thinking about the moment that its us or them

Be ready.


lol
 
2013-04-29 02:24:04 AM  

Ringshadow: "But Staffordshire Terriers can do more damage! RED LINE BREEDS AHDLIGHIDHGFGHIDGH"

All dogs can carry rabies. All dogs can pass on disease and do damage. Vilifying the Nanny Dog just makes you sound like a derp. Playground accidents kill more kids than staffies per year.



Some breeds are bigger, stronger, more damaging and more difficult to stop when they attack. This is one (but not the only) relevant consideration when determining how dangerous they are. Staffies do have greater damage potential, all else being equal (if you want a valid comparison across breeds you can't cherry-pick). You can repeat that as sarcastically as you like and it will remain true.

FWIW I don't dislike staffies or want them banned. I just think you're being a bit irrational.

/cats can all cause damage and carry disease, so it is madness to distinguish between pet tigers and housecats
//a child canhave an accident on any playground, so it is derpy to ban quicksand from playgrounds
 
2013-04-29 02:30:20 AM  

great_tigers: Gyrfalcon: Puppies bite kids! This is somehow news! Film at 11!

https://www.google.com/search?q=7+month+old+pit+bull&client=safari&h l= en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=IOJ9UfzkCMTurQGlzoCQCg&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAA &biw=768&bih=928

Hardly a puppy. Much is in the up bringing of a dog. That said, any dog can be raised to be aggressive, not all dogs can be controlled 100 percent of the time. Training and discipline are required to minimize this as much as possible.


A 7 month old dog is still very much a puppy mentally. I'm guessing the owner in this case made absolutely no effort to train the dogs how to behave around people, and now they are suffering for it. A pup that age generally does not go into "attack mode" as it is likely unaware of it's own capabilities.

Sounds like these dogs will probably be put down due to their own shiathead owners.
 
2013-04-29 02:31:47 AM  

Ihaveanevilparrot: thorthor: During 1997 and 1998, at least 27 people died of dog bite attacks (18 in 1997 and 9 in 1998). At least 25 breeds of dogs were involved in 238 human dog bite related fatalities during the past 20 years. Pit bulls and rottweilers were involved in over half of these fatalities and from 1997 to 1998 were involved in 67%.

Except for an accurate assessment of whether that's a good general determination of dangerous behavior in the breed, you need to compare those figures, if you assume they're correct, to how many of the breed are here in the first place.

How common are fatalities and serious attacks compared to the number of those breeds present in the U.S.? There are not good figures on how many Pit Bulls are present in the U.S.
...


Even counting them the way the media does, it seems highly unlikely that figure would be "half to two-thirds of all dogs in the US."
 
2013-04-29 02:35:06 AM  

thorthor: QCB79: Fact :ALL pitbulls are dangerous killers who will at some point go insane and maul random people to death.

also:
ALL Mexicans are illegal immigrants
ALL Black people are lazy
ALL guns owners will go on shooting sprees
ALL Muslims are terrorists
ALL Irish are drunks
ALL white people are racists
ALL asians are excellent at math

you cant argue with facts

Breeds of Dogs Involved in Fatal Human Attacks in the United States Between 1979 and 1998

A 2000 report issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reviewed a 20-year period to determine the types of dog breeds most responsible for U.S. dog bite fatalities.

During 1997 and 1998, at least 27 people died of dog bite attacks (18 in 1997 and 9 in 1998). At least 25 breeds of dogs were involved in 238 human dog bite related fatalities during the past 20 years. Pit bulls and rottweilers were involved in over half of these fatalities and from 1997 to 1998 were involved in 67%.

/yep,them damn facts can be a real biatch cant they?


Hey, you know what else killed about 20 people in a year? Lightning strikes! Clearly the answer is to put a lightning rod on all pit bulls. Why? Because, facts!
 
2013-04-29 02:36:01 AM  
Of course they have not shown aggression like this before, they are only 7 months old and being raised by jack asses.
 
2013-04-29 02:41:27 AM  
I'd call mine E and R
 
2013-04-29 02:43:44 AM  
My horse bit me on my side one time while I was standing in front of her. Good golly, that hurt. It wasn't the the type of teeth, but the leverage offered by long jaws.

/still think "frisbie memorial hospital" is funny.
 
2013-04-29 02:48:00 AM  

thorthor: Good luck and godspeed. Ill stick with my Labs and well check back in a year. Let the testing begin.


I have a greater swiss mountain dog and two malamute mixes. :\
My GSMD is probably less bite prone than your labs. I suggest you get rid of your dangerous dogs. :D

I don't disagree that some dogs are more prone to attack....there is a reason breeds like collies aren't used for attack/protection dogs. They don't have the same bite drive or inclination to take a pummeling from someone and keep going.

But regardless, even with the breeds used above, individuals have to be carefully picked to find ones that will perform/act in such a manner. The large majority aren't going to attack, and especially not to the degree that causes a fatality. The unfortunate problem, is when someone does pick one of those individual dogs from one of those large breeds, and mistakes them for something like a rough collie, or my greater swiss mountain dog, a breed which has been largely bred to be extremely docile with low bite inclination. And then gives the dog no training and allows it unsupervised around children or strangers. Or someone that picks a dog specifically for those traits, encourages it, and then doesn't contain or supervise it properly.

Yet still, fatalities and serious injuries from pit bulls, rottweilers, and other breeds that may be used for protection/attack animals, are low compared to the number owned.

The paranoia is just that. You are about as likely to walk outside and be hit by lightning.  And both can be largely prevented by not being an idiot, or not hanging around idiots.
The majority of attacks are on the owners property. And guess what...I don't hang around idiots that won't train their large dogs, or worse, encourage them to be aggressive.

Personally I'm not paranoid. The ONLY dog that has ever bitten me was my miniature pinscher, and I have been around, owned, and trained large dogs of all types, including pit bulls.
 
2013-04-29 02:50:25 AM  
*sigh*

The "pit bull" IS, and is becoming more of, and aggressive breed. It doesn't have as much to do with being raised and trained improperly (though, that's a huge part of the problem) as it does with the aggression being bred back INTO the animals. This breed is a hallmark breed of mouth breathing rednecks who just want a "bad ass dog", and then they get a mate for their bad ass so they can sell bad ass puppies. Much in the same way aggression can be bred out (domesticated Russian silver fox), it is certainly being unintentionally bred back into this one.
 
2013-04-29 02:52:24 AM  
Lebanon, Main = Yankees
Jagermeister (Vicks Formula 44-D) = Yankees
12 y/o girl running through the yard trying to get away from her father/brothers = Yankees
What's this redneck crap?
 
2013-04-29 02:53:07 AM  
But anyway. None of this is important.

The fact is...

RENT....is TO damn HIGH.
 
2013-04-29 03:00:56 AM  

John Buck 41: serial_crusher: I'd name mine Woodford and Reserve.

Jack and Daniel?
Bud and Wiser?
Jim and Beam?
Evan and William?
George and Dickel?
Old and Turkey?


Vod and Ak.
 
2013-04-29 03:31:01 AM  

FriarReb98: I'm gonna have to go ahead and say I hate Jagermeister.

\guessing if the owner's dumb enough to name the dogs that, he probably isn't taking care of them either.


Philistine
 
2013-04-29 03:32:08 AM  
There is far too much reliance on "I don't believe that, I have been around sweet, docile pitts/rottweilers/whatever" andfar too little statistical, reasoned analysis done.

Simply put, owning a large breed of dog puts your child in more danger than not owning one. It puts the neighborhood kids at risk of danger as well.

There needs to be dispassionate, logical research and advocacy done about the potential harm a large breed can do to a child. People rely on a veil of unfounded safety instead of knowledge. That is no way to conduct yourself if you are a parent.

Some group of doctors put forth the idea a few years ago that no parents should have a gun in the house as it dramatically increases the change of violent harm to the kids simply by being there. The same sort of advocacy ought to be done about these dogs. There are other, safer pets one can have; you have only yourself to blame if your child ends up maimed or worse because you chose a pitbull over a rabbit.
 
2013-04-29 03:55:34 AM  

robhidalgo: Sounds like these dogs will probably be put down due to their own shiathead owners.


for the safety of society this would probably be a good first step
second step would be to put down the owners

dogs WANT to be good dogs
It is our fault that dogs go bad

// qualifier, domestic dogs, not coyotes, wolves, dingos etc...
 
2013-04-29 04:47:43 AM  
farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2013-04-29 05:18:20 AM  
One of my favorite dogs of all time was Jagermeister.  He was a 145 lb Rottweiler who was the biggest baby.  He lived next door and loved my kids.

Of course, his human was cool, too.
 
2013-04-29 05:39:42 AM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: I don't even care about the breed in this case. The fact that a dog-bite victim was taken to Frisbie Memorial Hospital is enough for me.

I hear patients hate the place, however. Staff keeps leaving them up on the roof.


Their bills hit you hard when you're not ready for them
 
2013-04-29 05:40:38 AM  
Maybe this breed has too much aggression bred into it and should be regulated better?
 
2013-04-29 05:46:57 AM  

KawaiiNot: Maybe this breed has too much aggression bred into it and should be regulated better?


Don't let things like facts get in the way of a good discussion
 
2013-04-29 05:54:34 AM  

QCB79: [www.nokilldelaware.org image 600x600]


Put together by the same guy that does the AK-47 chart?
 
2013-04-29 05:58:21 AM  
The trooper said the dog's shots were not up to date and the dogs are now quarantined

So, vaccinate them with some lead injections. Problem solved.
 
2013-04-29 06:00:37 AM  
Mine were George and Gracie. When we got them, I wanted to name them Sid and Nancy, but the GF won out.
 
2013-04-29 06:02:51 AM  

Ex-Texan: Mine were George and Gracie. When we got them, I wanted to name them Sid and Nancy, but the GF won out.


They like you very much, but they are not the hell "your" pitbulls
 
2013-04-29 06:07:23 AM  

FriarReb98: I'm gonna have to go ahead and say I hate Jagermeister.


I prefer Kuemmerling. Jägermeister tastes like cough medicne.
 
2013-04-29 06:08:56 AM  
I am very anti Pit Bull.

/can't stand his music.
 
2013-04-29 06:45:42 AM  
is this the thread where pit lovers swear up and down pits are actually great with kids and never violent by nature?
 
2013-04-29 06:56:36 AM  
This kid I went to Jr. high school with had two white rats, he named one Coke and the other Caine. He also had a white German shepard named Kilo.

/CSB
//Last I heard he was doing a dime for pwisd
 
2013-04-29 07:00:45 AM  
Odds that those two pitties were unneutered males? I'm guessing around 100 percent.

/Cut their balls off, fix 90 percent of behavioral problems
//Even more true of cats
 
2013-04-29 07:17:39 AM  
I have a cutie 6 month old chihuahua mix (we're guessing the mix is Jack Russell, because he the ears and coloring of a Jack). He loves to bite my fingers, my ears, face, etc, when he plays. He's certainly not being vicious at all, but that's just how puppies play. I'll bet the pit puppies in TFA were just playing, and I'll also bet some animal control management idiot will insist that they need to be put down.
 
2013-04-29 07:38:41 AM  
My boy George who is a mix. Does that make him kind of evil?
farm9.staticflickr.com
 
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