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(NPR)   Just a few years after electing a party that promised to bring back the good ol' days of the 1950s, Brownbackistanis are now yearning for the good ol' days of the 2000s   (npr.org) divider line 134
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2013-04-28 11:08:33 AM
That is a fantastic article. I feel bad for the Kansans who are going to learn the hard way that their vote matters and they need to think about the future rather than voting from the hip. I've only read a few articles about it, but I imagine within 18-24 months their budget is going to implode (if they truly eliminate all sales taxes and business taxes) and they will be passing emergency funding measures like what California went through last year. They've cut so much that it is going to ruin their entire economy and standard of living.

Doing those things is insane. Sure, you might get an influx of business to your state looking for low taxes. They will hire more people and pay more income tax. However, that takes time to happen. In the short-term you won't have enough funds to cover the cuts and people will hurt. It is very dangerous using a town, city, or state as an economic experiment.
 
2013-04-28 11:12:25 AM

NewportBarGuy: and they will be passing emergency funding measures like what California went through last year.

more abortion restrictions
 
2013-04-28 11:15:42 AM
...there's an aging rural population that relies on farm subsidies welfare from the government.

fkn moochers.
 
2013-04-28 11:19:12 AM
You voted for that douche and now you're surprised he sucks?
I have no sympathy.
 
2013-04-28 11:19:41 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: more abortion restrictions


Yeah, I'm not exactly happy as an American that they are socially re-engineering the state to the 1950s. But, as much as those issues are heated, I'm telling you, the economics of what they are doing is going to impact so many more and it will happen MUCH quicker than they think.

Look, I can get behind their basic economic theory that lower taxes are a good thing. It's just a measured thing and you have to be very careful with it. When the Federal Reserve makes a move they do it in increments of .25 and sometimes .50 basis points. Why? They know that they need many months to figure out exactly what the change did to the economy, whether it was good or bad, and how to proceed. These retards are just going headlong into a machine gun nest and saying "TAX CUTS SOLVE ALL!"

The aftermath will be like Gallipoli.
 
2013-04-28 11:19:45 AM
Sit and spin, farkers.
 
2013-04-28 11:21:02 AM
With the conservative super-majority, maybe they will re-install slavery.
 
2013-04-28 11:25:16 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: With the conservative super-majority, maybe they will re-install slavery.


Be fair, they were not very involved in the trade. My own city of Newport probably had more involvement.

Slavery to their ideology? Oh my god, yes.
 
2013-04-28 11:26:21 AM

NewportBarGuy: Britney Spear's Speculum: more abortion restrictions

Yeah, I'm not exactly happy as an American that they are socially re-engineering the state to the 1950s. But, as much as those issues are heated, I'm telling you, the economics of what they are doing is going to impact so many more and it will happen MUCH quicker than they think.

Look, I can get behind their basic economic theory that lower taxes are a good thing. It's just a measured thing and you have to be very careful with it. When the Federal Reserve makes a move they do it in increments of .25 and sometimes .50 basis points. Why? They know that they need many months to figure out exactly what the change did to the economy, whether it was good or bad, and how to proceed. These retards are just going headlong into a machine gun nest and saying "TAX CUTS SOLVE ALL!"

The aftermath will be like Gallipoli.


And the rocket surgeons in Topeka will respond by changing the state's gun law to Vermont Carry, outlawing the practice of Islam, raising the minimum voting age to 49 and/or changing the name of the town of Liberal to Reagan.
 
2013-04-28 11:29:34 AM

King Something: Liberal to Reagan


You said Liberal twice.
 
2013-04-28 11:32:05 AM

NewportBarGuy: King Something: Liberal to Reagan

You said Liberal twice.


I like spicy mustard.

/and rape
//rape
 
2013-04-28 11:54:20 AM
I've lived in other states that have gone the same route. I'd say the whole country has moved this wary considerably.
 
2013-04-28 11:54:32 AM
To continue moving the income tax down, Brownback wants to keep sales tax where it is

Place the tax burden on the poor people, where it clearly belongs.  The job creators need that extra cash.
 
2013-04-28 12:01:48 PM

Marcus Aurelius: To continue moving the income tax down, Brownback wants to keep sales tax where it is

Place the tax burden on the poor people, where it clearly belongs.  The job creators need that extra cash.


I'm sure they have nice gates and Blackwater is thriving.
 
2013-04-28 12:02:55 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: With the conservative super-majority, maybe they will re-install slavery.


Well, it sounds perhaps more like Dickensian low wage slavery is the ideal.
 
2013-04-28 12:12:56 PM
I just thank God that the election for Missouri's governor falls on a Presidential year. Otherwise we would be in the same boat with the loons in Kansas.

It'll be interesting to watch Brownback's dream blow up right in front of our very eyes.
 
2013-04-28 12:13:33 PM
What's the big deal?  That's exactly how Jesus would run a state.
 
2013-04-28 12:14:27 PM

Mrtraveler01: It'll be interesting to watch Brownback's dream blow up right in front of our very eyes.


Get ready for a flood of refugees.
 
2013-04-28 12:16:43 PM

doyner: Mrtraveler01: It'll be interesting to watch Brownback's dream blow up right in front of our very eyes.

Get ready for a flood of refugees.


It'll be interesting watching suburban Kansas Citians move back to Missouri after decades of moving from Missouri to Kansas.

The one thing Johnson County (surburban KC) is proud of is its schools and those are good as farked under Brownback's budget plan.
 
2013-04-28 12:18:19 PM

SilentStrider: You voted for that douche and now you're surprised he sucks?
I have no sympathy.


I wouldn't mind so much except we're all going to be bailing these farktards out sooner or later.
 
2013-04-28 12:21:15 PM

NewportBarGuy: It is very dangerous using a town, city, or state as an economic experiment.


Less so than using the country as a whole, though.
demotivators.despair.com
 
2013-04-28 12:21:30 PM

Marcus Aurelius: To continue moving the income tax down, Brownback wants to keep sales tax where it is

Place the tax burden on the poor people, where it clearly belongs.  The job creators need that extra cash.


Interesting interview. Interesting book.
 
2013-04-28 12:23:29 PM

abb3w: Less so than using the country as a whole, though.


How am I supposed to read that? Dig on the Fed or on national economic policy from Congress?
 
2013-04-28 12:24:27 PM
Now let's seal it off as the North Korea Jr. that Kansas seems to want to be, then point and laugh at them while the rest of Humanity works on curing cancer and developing warp drive.
 
2013-04-28 12:26:47 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: With the conservative super-majority, maybe they will re-install slavery, and ban the making of fire and walking on two legs.

 
2013-04-28 12:27:10 PM
I would summarize Brownback's goal as 'create a low-wage paradise.'

Who will that be a paradise for, exactly? Oh, right; now I get it.

If Kansans keeps voting for these policies, they deserve the results.
 
2013-04-28 12:27:49 PM
I applaud Brownback's efforts, and agree that what this country needs most is a single state "red state model"


Nothing more useful than a cautionary tale. Brownback is doing a great service for the country, if not his state.
 
2013-04-28 12:28:06 PM

edmo: I've lived in other states that have gone the same route. I'd say the whole country has moved this wary considerably.


That explains why Obama got re-elected and the gop majority in Congress shrunk a bit. Right?
 
2013-04-28 12:28:27 PM

Mrtraveler01: doyner: Mrtraveler01: It'll be interesting to watch Brownback's dream blow up right in front of our very eyes.

Get ready for a flood of refugees.

It'll be interesting watching suburban Kansas Citians move back to Missouri after decades of moving from Missouri to Kansas.

The one thing Johnson County (surburban KC) ishas to be proud of is its schools and those are good as farked under Brownback's budget plan.


Fixed for emphasis. Knew plenty of people who grew up there; the schools were the only good thing they had to say about the area.
 
2013-04-28 12:29:40 PM
a spike in the number of LLC filings

I'm going to make my family an LLC and you can pay my LLC, not me, when I go to work. Now I pay taxes at the corporate rate, not the individual rate, and I win.

If you can't do this, sucks to be you.

Kansas, getting the wrong message from the wrong people since 2010.
 
2013-04-28 12:30:14 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: With the conservative super-majority, maybe they will re-install slavery.


It's called the Free State for a reason, you know.

Kansas was bad enough in the Dole and Finney days in the early 90's, which was right about the time that the current crop of conservatives started becoming active, as Thomas Frank covers in  What's the Matter with Kansas?A book that is a decade old but feels like it was written a century ago, so much worse have things become since then.

I was never at home in Kansas, despite my family having emigrated there in the 1860's. I was born in California and raised in Colorado before moving to Kansas for much of the 90's. So I can't pretend to love the place or have a real connection to it, but I can appreciate those who do, like Jason Probst, who have seen their state go from moderate conservatism to something as extreme as anything this country has seen in just about ever. That's gotta suck. Kansas really couldn't afford to get much worse than it was 20 years ago, but looking back those were the salad days.
 
2013-04-28 12:30:15 PM

LibertyHiller: Mrtraveler01: doyner: Mrtraveler01: It'll be interesting to watch Brownback's dream blow up right in front of our very eyes.

Get ready for a flood of refugees.

It'll be interesting watching suburban Kansas Citians move back to Missouri after decades of moving from Missouri to Kansas.

The one thing Johnson County (surburban KC) ishas to be proud of is its schools and those are good as farked under Brownback's budget plan.

Fixed for emphasis. Knew plenty of people who grew up there; the schools were the only good thing they had to say about the area.


Basically.

You can move to Lee's Summit and Blue Springs and have the same type of suburbia you can get in Overland Park and Olathe without having a governor who is a fundamentalist nutjob.
 
2013-04-28 12:31:26 PM
Good luck getting these clowns to accept responsibility for the consequences of their actions.  The belief in these policies is an article of faith to these people.  Getting them to discard them is as easy as convincing them that Jesus didn't die for their sins.
 
2013-04-28 12:33:20 PM
Put a fence around the entire state of Kansas and set up beacons to warn aircraft not to land there.
 
2013-04-28 12:37:12 PM
i915.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-28 12:38:58 PM
Ha!  Where'd that 'e' go?
 
2013-04-28 12:39:23 PM
"Brownbackistani" reminds me of how that general region of Iraq/Pakistan was actually doing pretty good in the early 20th century and then crashed hard into the current mess.
A fitting nickname, I suppose.
 
2013-04-28 12:40:38 PM
A post from the comment section of NPR:

Why is there anger at the political climate? Because the policies created by centrism are what have gotten us into the economic crisis we're in. Eliminating the income tax and making it easier for businesses to open, while eliminating government redundancies is sound Libertarian economics. Kansas seeks to eliminate income tax for ALL Kansas residents- providing more money in the pockets of individuals that will go into the economy.

Of course she doesn't mention what "government redundancies" she wants to eliminate, but by golly they're there!


Leave it to NPR, a government funded program, to find fault with a state run by a Conservative. What a surprise!
Never will it do an exposee on the brilliant success of a Conservative run state such as Texas, North Dakota, Wyoming, Utah, etc.It's funny how Republican run states have the lowest unemployment average. Perhaps NPR can do an exposee on the brilliantly run city of Detroit or how the Democrat run state of California is loosing job creators daily just to name a few. The murder rate in the Democrat run city of Chicago is an embarrassment to the sitting president who just had a hissey fit when he couldn't muster even enough Democrats to success. Speaking of the Obama, I suppose to NPR his unemployment rate is of no importance since the president IS just a liberal attorney and therefore exempt from any real scrutiny by NPR and the rest of the media. There is a real job creator for you. NPR should be very proud.


Of course NPR has done stories about the boom in places like Wyoming and North Dakota but people still have to biatch about some sort of perceived "liberal bias" that NPR has.
 
2013-04-28 12:40:52 PM
Is it unkind of me to hope that Kansas stays the course for at least a couple of decades so that it can serve as a warning for the rest of the country?
 
2013-04-28 12:41:24 PM
Great story. We have seen the start of a backlash against the extremism/ignorance/paranoia that defines right winge politics in 2012. I hope to hell that train keeps rolling.
 
2013-04-28 12:42:55 PM
i915.photobucket.com

FTFM
 
2013-04-28 12:43:14 PM
My secret theory:

Conservatives were shamed, embarrassed, and actually angry at the disasterous George Bush presidency but they had no way to actually get past the party loyalty and self-cognitive dissonance.

So that pressure built and the second a Democrat was in office they transfered all the hate and doubt they had for the Iraq War (DRONES), bailouts (HEALTHCARE SOCIALISM), and everything else onto Obama.

This resulted in a sprawling renewal for many conservatives and new "Tea Party" Republicans which assuaged their guilt for they past decade and gave them an outlet for their self imposed angst.  The 2010 midterm elections were as much about overreactions to Obama as much as cleansing themselves of past sins (Ironically by voting again for worse neocon politicians)
 
2013-04-28 12:44:32 PM

Mrtraveler01: You can move to Lee's Summit and Blue Springs and have the same type of suburbia you can get in Overland Park and Olathe without having a governor who is a  and be surrounded by fundamentalist nutjobs.


FTFY
 
2013-04-28 12:46:08 PM

trotsky: Great story. We have seen the start of a backlash against the extremism/ignorance/paranoia that defines right winge politics in 2012. I hope to hell that train keeps rolling.


It will be another 8 years before we an start to recover from the panic induced insanity of 2010.  Republicans couldn't have timed their destroying of the economy in 2008 if they had tried. They get a free decade of power out of it.
 
2013-04-28 12:48:06 PM

Hollie Maea: trotsky: Great story. We have seen the start of a backlash against the extremism/ignorance/paranoia that defines right winge politics in 2012. I hope to hell that train keeps rolling.

It will be another 8 years before we an start to recover from the panic induced insanity of 2010.  Republicans couldn't have timed their destroying of the economy in 2008 if they had tried. They get a free decade of power out it.


couldn't have timed it BETTER?  Herp derp derp.
 
2013-04-28 12:48:59 PM

Dr.Zom: Mrtraveler01: You can move to Lee's Summit and Blue Springs and have the same type of suburbia you can get in Overland Park and Olathe without having a governor who is a  and be surrounded by fundamentalist nutjobs.

FTFY


Any where you go in suburban KC is like that. It's hard to avoid them unless you actually live in the city.

But it's wierd though, here in St. Louis, we have Fundamentalist nutjobs too, but they seem more subdued than they do out in KC.

And our churches are as gaudy and garrish as the ones in the KC metro.
 
2013-04-28 12:50:47 PM
Hell, let's not stop there.  Lets go back to the 1870's.

When you had to drop off your firearms at the local sheriffs office when you entered into the city limits.
 
2013-04-28 12:51:29 PM

Mrtraveler01: Dr.Zom: Mrtraveler01: You can move to Lee's Summit and Blue Springs and have the same type of suburbia you can get in Overland Park and Olathe without having a governor who is a  and be surrounded by fundamentalist nutjobs.

FTFY

Any where you go in suburban KC is like that. It's hard to avoid them unless you actually live in the city.

But it's wierd though, here in St. Louis, we have Fundamentalist nutjobs too, but they seem more subdued than they do out in KC.

And our churches are aren't as gaudy and garrish as the ones in the KC metro.


FTFM
 
2013-04-28 12:51:42 PM

Mrtraveler01: A post from the comment section of NPR:

Why is there anger at the political climate? Because the policies created by centrism are what have gotten us into the economic crisis we're in. Eliminating the income tax and making it easier for businesses to open, while eliminating government redundancies is sound Libertarian economics. Kansas seeks to eliminate income tax for ALL Kansas residents- providing more money in the pockets of individuals that will go into the economy.

Of course she doesn't mention what "government redundancies" she wants to eliminate, but by golly they're there!



Because government employees are not individual that spend money....  why do I smell toast?...
 
2013-04-28 12:53:00 PM
how bout we just get rid of the middlmen? let's just dissolve govt and let the CEOs run the country?
 
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