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(Deadline)   Michael Bay's Pain & Gain wins a painful weekend at the box office with $20 million, Tom Cruise's rehashed Oblivion was a fitting #2, while Robert DeNiro's The Big Wedding was a big flop   (deadline.com) divider line 46
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2013-04-28 11:08:49 AM  
I can't help but think that everyone involved in Pain & Gain movie should be a little ashamed. Taking a real life case of a dude's (historically recent) kidnapping, torture, and premeditated murder and turning it into a screwball comedy is pretty disgusting. They even changed the manner of the guy's death to make people sympathize with his killers more.
 
2013-04-28 11:12:03 AM  
Oblivion was confusing.
 
2013-04-28 11:23:53 AM  

Wayne 985: I can't help but think that everyone involved in Pain & Gain movie should be a little ashamed. Taking a real life case of a dude's (historically recent) kidnapping, torture, and premeditated murder and turning it into a screwball comedy is pretty disgusting. They even changed the manner of the guy's death to make people sympathize with his killers more.


This. Especially when the two main characters were juiced off their gourds for the movie as well
 
2013-04-28 11:27:11 AM  
The wife and her mother are going to see The Wedding this morning, so I'm getting a kick...
 
2013-04-28 11:30:37 AM  

Wayne 985: I can't help but think that everyone involved in Pain & Gain movie should be a little ashamed. Taking a real life case of a dude's (historically recent) kidnapping, torture, and premeditated murder and turning it into a screwball comedy is pretty disgusting. They even changed the manner of the guy's death to make people sympathize with his killers more.


I read that entire Miami Herald article online about 2 weeks ago.  2 hours later my wife was curious what I was still doing up, I was so intrigued.  And then when I finished, I wondered how in the hell Michael Bay could turn that depressing turd of a story around and make it Bad Boys Lite?

I don't mind watching a movie for the sake of turning my brain off, but I won't spend a dime on this one.
 
2013-04-28 11:34:26 AM  
Pain and Gain was awful.  I didn't know until the end of the movie that it was based on true crimes.  They tried to make a dark story a comedy by having the actors swing around dildos.
The whole movie was abysmal.
 
2013-04-28 11:48:05 AM  

DLinds: Pain and Gain was awful.  I didn't know until the end of the movie that it was based on true crimes.  They tried to make a dark story a comedy by having the actors swing around dildos.
The whole movie was abysmal.


I read the story a few years back but didn't know until last week Pain and Gain was the same story. The whole thing is disgusting. I cannot wrap my head around that Mr. Bay decided it should be a screwball comedy, not to mention making the piece of shiat torturers the good guys.

Talk about a wasted oppertunity.
 
2013-04-28 11:48:15 AM  

Wayne 985: I can't help but think that everyone involved in Pain & Gain movie should be a little ashamed. Taking a real life case of a dude's (historically recent) kidnapping, torture, and premeditated murder and turning it into a screwball comedy is pretty disgusting. They even changed the manner of the guy's death to make people sympathize with his killers more.


This.  I was interested in seeing the flick until I learned the real history.  Everyone involved should feel ashamed of themselves for having anything to do with this obscenity.
 
2013-04-28 11:53:33 AM  
For weeks there hasn't been any movies that looked like they are worth seeing. Maybe "Trance" but that movie hasn't got a lot of press.
 
2013-04-28 12:12:38 PM  
Hey Subby, I don't think

johnnyboog: Oblivion was confusing.


It was alright, not great, until the last half hour/45 minutes when the whole thing really started to come off the rails.
 
2013-04-28 12:13:46 PM  

Wayne 985: I can't help but think that everyone involved in Pain & Gain movie should be a little ashamed. Taking a real life case of a dude's (historically recent) kidnapping, torture, and premeditated murder and turning it into a screwball comedy is pretty disgusting. They even changed the manner of the guy's death to make people sympathize with his killers more.


Who would have thought Michael Bay would do something tasteless?
 
2013-04-28 12:14:52 PM  
As for Pain and Gain...  Are not most stories, and movies based on some distorted truth of horrible events?
 
2013-04-28 12:35:16 PM  
Did I see the same movie?  Bay did not make Marky Mark and co. the heroes in Pain and Gain, he made them dumbshiat meathead criminals.  Which is what the actual people who inspired the story were.
 
2013-04-28 01:03:06 PM  
Serious question: Is there a difference between Robert DiNero and Eugene Levy at this point? Do any movie that reaches the right price point, play the same character you have for the past 20 years...

The poster for The Big Wedding makes me want to start kicking dogs.
 
2013-04-28 01:05:28 PM  
I really loved Oblivion, despite Tom Cruise.  Bring it, haters. =^-^=
 
2013-04-28 01:18:42 PM  
anybody seen Mud
 
2013-04-28 01:22:19 PM  

redking194: Did I see the same movie?  Bay did not make Marky Mark and co. the heroes in Pain and Gain, he made them dumbshiat meathead criminals.  Which is what the actual people who inspired the story were.


Yeah, I'm not seeing where they should be ashamed.  Lugo (as played by Wahlberg) was a reprehensible prick the ENTIRE movie, and the other two followed behind him in short order.  Even The Rock's character (who was a composite of two other people, apparently), arguably the most sympathetic of the three, had reverted to his raging cokehead, assholish ways by the halfway point.  The Rock did amazing in this one, by the way.

/"Jesus Christ gave me thousands of gifts!  One of those gifts is knocking people THE FARK out!"
 
2013-04-28 01:48:08 PM  
Watched Oblivion last night with Mrs X-13. She didn't get it at all. I got it and mostly liked it. Only real quibble is that it suffers from the usual Hollywood requisite that everything gets impossibly wrapped up in an unrealistic timeframe. Young lady shot in the gut and implies that te next day she's up and about doin the hibbity dibbity.

Also, while its not particularly violent or sexual, there were at least 3 kids 3 years and younger in the theater. Movie ended at 8:15. Not a movie for kids and these little guys should have been nestled in bed, not seeing a naked lady's bee-hind and lots of 'splosions.
 
2013-04-28 01:57:34 PM  
i.qkme.me
 
2013-04-28 02:33:30 PM  
Eh, Fargo was based on real events, and it was a masterpiece. So was In Cold Blood (the book). The most offensive thing about Pain and Gain was always Michael Bay's involvement. He is cinematic cancer.
 
2013-04-28 02:59:11 PM  

Trocadero: Eh, Fargo was based on real events, and it was a masterpiece. So was In Cold Blood (the book). The most offensive thing about Pain and Gain was always Michael Bay's involvement. He is cinematic cancer.


No it wasn't.
 
2013-04-28 03:14:42 PM  

johnnyboog: Oblivion was confusing.


Confusing? ... You should probably give up on the whole thinking thing, as it clearly isn't working out.
 
2013-04-28 04:02:10 PM  

Myria: I really loved Oblivion, despite Tom Cruise.  Bring it, haters. =^-^=


The only problems I had with were

A) you knew exactly what happened and what was going to happen from the opening monologue

B) waaay too tropey and predictable

That being said it was still fun to watch and I wish there are more sci fi movies. Can't wait for Elysium
 
2013-04-28 04:09:02 PM  

Myria: I really loved Oblivion, despite Tom Cruise.  Bring it, haters. =^-^=


So did I, and my brain must have been turned off because while I half expected the twists of the plot they weren't exactly what I expecting.

Also Morgan Freeman plays a better Morpheus than Lawrence Fishburn. :)
 
2013-04-28 04:11:51 PM  
Saw Oblivion last night and farking love it. Considering I Loved Tron Legacy this isn't really surprising, as Oblivion is definitely a spiritual counterpart to T:L.

While watching Oblivion, it was really fun playing "guess the sci-fi reference/homage."

Great movie, can't wait to see it again.
 
2013-04-28 04:15:12 PM  

Clutch2013: redking194: Did I see the same movie?  Bay did not make Marky Mark and co. the heroes in Pain and Gain, he made them dumbshiat meathead criminals.  Which is what the actual people who inspired the story were.

Yeah, I'm not seeing where they should be ashamed.  Lugo (as played by Wahlberg) was a reprehensible prick the ENTIRE movie, and the other two followed behind him in short order.  Even The Rock's character (who was a composite of two other people, apparently), arguably the most sympathetic of the three, had reverted to his raging cokehead, assholish ways by the halfway point.  The Rock did amazing in this one, by the way.

/"Jesus Christ gave me thousands of gifts!  One of those gifts is knocking people THE FARK out!"


I think the bigger problem people have with it is that it really downplayed how horrible the torturing they gave their victim was, and makes the victim look like much more of a criminal than he was in real life.
 
2013-04-28 04:18:04 PM  

johnnyboog: Oblivion was confusing.


Eh, I didn't think so.  I enjoyed it even though I figured out what the twist (well, part of it, anyway) was going to be about 20 minutes in.  At least it wasn't a M. Knight Shamalamadingdong type of twist.
 
2013-04-28 05:20:53 PM  
Message from Europe: Iron Man 3 awesome, see it. Message Ends.
 
2013-04-28 05:49:59 PM  

jayhawk88: Serious question: Is there a difference between Robert DiNero and Eugene Levy at this point? Do any movie that reaches the right price point, play the same character you have for the past 20 years...


Yeah, Goodfellas was based on a true story and everyone's favorite parts were when the bad guys were having fun killing people. Tastless, yes but not unprecedented.

cygnusx13: Also, while its not particularly violent or sexual, there were at least 3 kids 3 years and younger in the theater. Movie ended at 8:15. Not a movie for kids and these little guys should have been nestled in bed, not seeing a naked lady's bee-hind and lots of 'splosions.


Oh please. I saw Aliens when I was 3. No kid is going to be scarred for life from a farking movie.

Now excuse me, the biatch in the refrigerator is acting up again.
 
2013-04-28 06:25:15 PM  

Wayne 985: I can't help but think that everyone involved in Pain & Gain movie should be a little ashamed. Taking a real life case of a dude's (historically recent) kidnapping, torture, and premeditated murder and turning it into a screwball comedy is pretty disgusting. They even changed the manner of the guy's death to make people sympathize with his killers more.


I view the people responsible for making this film to be as horrible as the people responsible for making 30 Minutes or Less http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_Minutes_or_Less I do not understand this trend of taking horrible true crimes and turning them into action comedies. How soulless do you have to be to pitch and make such a movie?
 
2013-04-28 06:50:20 PM  
i'm waiting for the Shaun the Sheep movie
 
2013-04-28 08:41:27 PM  

jake_lex: Clutch2013: redking194: Did I see the same movie?  Bay did not make Marky Mark and co. the heroes in Pain and Gain, he made them dumbshiat meathead criminals.  Which is what the actual people who inspired the story were.

Yeah, I'm not seeing where they should be ashamed.  Lugo (as played by Wahlberg) was a reprehensible prick the ENTIRE movie, and the other two followed behind him in short order.  Even The Rock's character (who was a composite of two other people, apparently), arguably the most sympathetic of the three, had reverted to his raging cokehead, assholish ways by the halfway point.  The Rock did amazing in this one, by the way.

/"Jesus Christ gave me thousands of gifts!  One of those gifts is knocking people THE FARK out!"

I think the bigger problem people have with it is that it really downplayed how horrible the torturing they gave their victim was, and makes the victim look like much more of a criminal than he was in real life.


It didn't downplay it, though.  If anything, it didn't go far enough.  The whole movie didn't go as far as it could and should have, and I suspect the reason for that is either it would have been completely unfilmable then, or people would have looked at it and went, "OK, now you're just full of shiat."

Case in point, and spoilers for those that didn't see it: at one point, after their second extortion run goes horribly wrong, they come up with the idea of chopping off the second couple's hands and feet and burning off the fingerprints.  Cue a scene where The Rock's character, Paul, is sitting outside with a grill and the dead couple's limbs cooking on it.  In plain view of a busy street.  In broad daylight.  To further drive the point home, the movie freezes and a subtitle comes up: "This is still a true story."  Now, even I thought that was bullshiat until I sat down this morning and read the articles behind it (in reality, it was Lugo himself that barbecued the hands and feet).

Here's the thing.  What happened was horrible and wrong, and yet it's so off the wall that if it didn't happen in reality, it would be the next Trainspotting.  Thing about movies like these is that a lot of times, the claim of "Based on a true story" is loose, at best.  I sat down and read the Miami Free Press articles and was amazed at how much of the real thing actually lined up with Bay's movie.  Honestly - and I'm saying this as objectively as possible - if Danny Boyle had helmed this instead of Michael Bay, everyone would be marveling at it.
 
2013-04-28 09:45:40 PM  

johnnyboog: Oblivion was confusing.


Why?
 
2013-04-28 09:47:31 PM  

Clutch2013: Case in point, and spoilers for those that didn't see it: at one point, after their second extortion run goes horribly wrong, they come up with the idea of chopping off the second couple's hands and feet and burning off the fingerprints.  Cue a scene where The Rock's character, Paul, is sitting outside with a grill and the dead couple's limbs cooking on it.  In plain view of a busy street.  In broad daylight.  To further drive the point home, the movie freezes and a subtitle comes up: "This is still a true story."  Now, even I thought that was bullshiat until I sat down this morning and read the articles behind it (in reality, it was Lugo himself that barbecued the hands and feet).


They attempted burning the hands and feet, not BBqing them in full view of the public on a grill.
 
2013-04-28 10:16:46 PM  
I wouldn't say Oblivion was confusing. Somewhat derivative I guess but what movie isn't? At least it wasn't a sequel, prequel, re-imaning, reboot or based on a Marvel super hero and that sadly makes it extraordinary nowadays.
 
2013-04-28 10:17:00 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Clutch2013: Case in point, and spoilers for those that didn't see it: at one point, after their second extortion run goes horribly wrong, they come up with the idea of chopping off the second couple's hands and feet and burning off the fingerprints.  Cue a scene where The Rock's character, Paul, is sitting outside with a grill and the dead couple's limbs cooking on it.  In plain view of a busy street.  In broad daylight.  To further drive the point home, the movie freezes and a subtitle comes up: "This is still a true story."  Now, even I thought that was bullshiat until I sat down this morning and read the articles behind it (in reality, it was Lugo himself that barbecued the hands and feet).

They attempted burning the hands and feet, not BBqing them in full view of the public on a grill.


Quoted from the Miami New Times article:

Delgado had to return the van and offered to give him a lift home. Lugo, at work sealing the lids on the drums, would stay behind and wrap things up at the warehouse. Delgado dropped off Doorbal, returned the van, picked up his Chevy Suburban, and headed back to the warehouse.  Pulling off the street to the warehouse, he couldn't believe his eyes: There was Lugo, standing over a burning barrel. He had carried outside a metal drum, placed the iron grate on top, tossed on hands, feet, and various skull portions, splashed some gasoline around, and started a fire. Occasionally he bent down and torched the remains with a jet of propane flames. He might as well have been at a back-yard barbecue! Flames danced from the drum, highlighting his brow. The huge fans in the warehouse doorway drove the netherworld fumes into the hot Miami night.
Christ, anyone could drive down the street! Delgado yelled, and Lugo reluctantly agreed to stop the performance. He doused the flames and rolled the hot barrel on its bottom edge through the warehouse, out the back door, into the rear alley. There he resumed stewing the leavings of Frank Griga and Krisztina Furton for another twenty minutes.


Other than having the Rock do it and not Walhberg and that they used a grill in stead of a drum, it still happened just like it said.
 
2013-04-28 10:32:42 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-28 10:36:50 PM  

Clutch2013: Other than having the Rock do it and not Walhberg and that they used a grill in stead of a drum, it still happened just like it said


The burning did not happen anywhere in the public view according to numerous other articles I've read.
 
2013-04-28 10:43:06 PM  
Mugato:

Oh please. I saw Aliens when I was 3. No kid is going to be scarred for life from a farking movie.

Because of one movie, no, of course not.  They'll be scarred from the shiatty parenting they got.
 
2013-04-29 12:29:36 AM  

Myria: I really loved Oblivion, despite Tom Cruise.  Bring it, haters. =^-^=


I liked it too!

I'm not in live with it, but if one can get past their Tom Cruise hate he is left with a fun little sci-fi movie that, while admittedly derivative *gasp*, is visually captivating.

/"derivative" is not necessarily bad and the laziest of criticisms
 
2013-04-29 12:31:32 AM  

Richard Sauce: Myria: I really loved Oblivion, despite Tom Cruise.  Bring it, haters. =^-^=

I liked it too!

I'm not in live with it, but if one can get past their Tom Cruise hate he is left with a fun little sci-fi movie that, while admittedly derivative *gasp*, is visually captivating.

/"derivative" is not necessarily bad and the laziest of criticisms


My comment was a grammatical train wreck and auto corrected poorly, please forgive me.
 
2013-04-29 01:52:37 AM  

greentea1985: Wayne 985: I can't help but think that everyone involved in Pain & Gain movie should be a little ashamed. Taking a real life case of a dude's (historically recent) kidnapping, torture, and premeditated murder and turning it into a screwball comedy is pretty disgusting. They even changed the manner of the guy's death to make people sympathize with his killers more.

I view the people responsible for making this film to be as horrible as the people responsible for making 30 Minutes or Less http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_Minutes_or_Less I do not understand this trend of taking horrible true crimes and turning them into action comedies. How soulless do you have to be to pitch and make such a movie?


Hogan's Heroes?
 
2013-04-29 11:46:27 AM  

johnnyboog: Oblivion was confusing.


Something tells me basic math is confusing too.. You must have been one of the guys sitting behind me.  Credits started, and they were asking each other what happened.  Really clueless since the whole thing just played out right in front of them....
 
2013-04-29 05:37:30 PM  

Bigedmond: johnnyboog: Oblivion was confusing.

Something tells me basic math is confusing too.. You must have been one of the guys sitting behind me.  Credits started, and they were asking each other what happened.  Really clueless since the whole thing just played out right in front of them....


Yup. That's me!
 
2013-04-29 06:16:03 PM  
Curious, what were you confused about? This thread is dead, we can talk about the movie.
 
2013-04-29 09:34:45 PM  
Honestly, I went to the bathroom, came back and there were two Tom Cruises. I felt like I missed a major transition in the story just from catching the end of Tom VS Tom. After that sequence, the movie's pace really began to speed up; statements were made by Morgan Freeman and the actress that played Julia which I didn't know if they were true or not. I also found it hard to hear Olga when she initially began talking about the 'Tet'; her accent threw me off.

I enjoyed the movie - great visually, and up to a certain point I was really locked in, but in the end I found there were way too many sci-fi references from 'The Matrix', 'Moon', 'Waterworld' to 'Rendezvous with Rama'. A lot of things felt completely unnecessary, like the log cabin scenes in the woods, the hacked drone being carried outside in a carriage for absolutely no reason, etc.

The movie had its moments; however, I have a feeling that the story would be much better in book form.
 
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