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(Panda's Thumb)   Recently scientists sequenced the coelacanth genome. Now the creationists have responded in the usual fact-free fashion. Here comes the real science   (pandasthumb.org) divider line 147
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2013-04-28 10:06:11 AM
It's not polite to mock retarded people.  But in this case I think we can make an exception.
 
2013-04-28 10:17:56 AM
It should be a Felony for someone to use the words Creationism and fact in the same sentance.

Seriously. The Grammar Einstazgruppen should be paying them a visit for it.
 
2013-04-28 10:40:17 AM

hardinparamedic: Einstazgruppen


Einsatzgruppen is the proper spelling there, Einstein
 
2013-04-28 10:49:16 AM
For those smarter than I, what does it mean when they talk about conserved genes? I've never heard that term before.
 
2013-04-28 10:53:41 AM
It's the usual "you don't have perfect evidence so it's not true" argument (found right here in my perfect Bible).
 
2013-04-28 10:57:08 AM

SurfaceTension: For those smarter than I, what does it mean when they talk about conserved genes? I've never heard that term before.


Well those genes are yer basic patriotic, gun totin', white, tea party, 'murrican genes.
 
2013-04-28 11:03:38 AM

SurfaceTension: For those smarter than I, what does it mean when they talk about conserved genes? I've never heard that term before.


these are genes whose sequence hasn't changed a lot across very divergent taxa.  (Because any mutation that did change it would be strongly selected against.) It implies that their function is very important and central to these organisms.  Hox genes are an example of this.  They area vital for body plan formation, and their amino acid sequence hasn't changed in millions of years.
 
2013-04-28 11:04:54 AM

SurfaceTension: For those smarter than I, what does it mean when they talk about conserved genes? I've never heard that term before.


It refers to when a particular gene continues to exist in different species, e.g. the genes just found in coelacanth being present in humans, despite massive evolutionary 'distance'.
 
2013-04-28 11:05:12 AM

pivazena: SurfaceTension: For those smarter than I, what does it mean when they talk about conserved genes? I've never heard that term before.

these are genes whose sequence hasn't changed a lot across very divergent taxa.  (Because any mutation that did change it would be strongly selected against.) It implies that their function is very important and central to these organisms.  Hox genes are an example of this.  They area vital for body plan formation, and their amino acid sequence hasn't changed in millions of years.


I think I kinda get that. Thanks!
 
2013-04-28 11:06:19 AM

hardinparamedic: sentance.

Seriously. The Grammar Einstazgruppen should be paying them a visit for it.


Do they have a spelling division?
 
2013-04-28 11:13:19 AM

SurfaceTension: pivazena: SurfaceTension: For those smarter than I, what does it mean when they talk about conserved genes? I've never heard that term before.

these are genes whose sequence hasn't changed a lot across very divergent taxa.  (Because any mutation that did change it would be strongly selected against.) It implies that their function is very important and central to these organisms.  Hox genes are an example of this.  They area vital for body plan formation, and their amino acid sequence hasn't changed in millions of years.

I think I kinda get that. Thanks!


no prob!  The analogy isn't perfect, but think of a car.  Lots and lots of aspects of cars have changed as they've diversified over the past century, but the basic plan is the same-- 4 wheels, engine, axels. That's because the cars need to get from point a to point b, and these parts are vital. If there were genes to make these parts, they'd be the same for 100 years. Maybe some changes, bigger or smaller, two wheels instead of four, but the wheel is still round and rubber, you know? If a mutation came along and made oval wheels, that car wouldn't sell well and would be selected against. Other modifications like power windows or sunroofs or different colors or wood paneling are less central to the car, so they come and go with different car incarnations
 
2013-04-28 11:14:11 AM
Has Fark scared off all of the creationists? Since Bevets has gone, I never see anyone defending creationism here. I guess I'll have to go and read YouTube comments to get my fix of creationist derp.
 
2013-04-28 11:14:30 AM

hardinparamedic: It should be a Felony for someone to use the words Creationism and fact in the same sentance.

Seriously. The Grammar Einstazgruppen should be paying them a visit for it.


"Creation science" is the one that gets me.
 
2013-04-28 11:16:05 AM

Repo Man: Has Fark scared off all of the creationists? Since Bevets has gone, I never see anyone defending creationism here. I guess I'll have to go and read YouTube comments to get my fix of creationist derp.


Just wait.
 
2013-04-28 11:17:55 AM
You know I haven't seen everyone's favorite quote miner in a while, I'm wondering if he had a crisis of faith.  Anyway to keep up with creationist nonsense I'll post an out of context quote.

I can indeed hardly see how anyone ought to wish Christianity to be true for if so the plain language of the text seems to show that the men who do not believe, and this would include my father, brother and almost all of my friends, will be everlastingly punished. And this is a damnable doctrine.

-Charles Darwin


I'm sorry that was the wrong quote, let me try that again.

To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree

-Charles Darwin


There, did my quote mining correctly.
 
2013-04-28 11:19:13 AM

Repo Man: Has Fark scared off all of the creationists? Since Bevets has gone, I never see anyone defending creationism here. I guess I'll have to go and read YouTube comments to get my fix of creationist derp.


they're all in church right now
 
2013-04-28 11:20:54 AM

Gergesa: You know I haven't seen everyone's favorite quote miner in a while, I'm wondering if he had a crisis of faith.  Anyway to keep up with creationist nonsense I'll post an out of context quote.


I think the rumor is that he was politely asked to knock it the fark off because he was click mining (if you remember, his posts were riddled with links to his own site).
 
2013-04-28 11:23:35 AM

hawcian: Gergesa: You know I haven't seen everyone's favorite quote miner in a while, I'm wondering if he had a crisis of faith.  Anyway to keep up with creationist nonsense I'll post an out of context quote.

I think the rumor is that he was politely asked to knock it the fark off because he was click mining (if you remember, his posts were riddled with links to his own site).


Fark mods told a troll to go away?  Unlikely.

/jk mods.
//Sort of.
///Don't ban me.
 
2013-04-28 11:25:22 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: hardinparamedic: sentance.

Seriously. The Grammar Einstazgruppen should be paying them a visit for it.

Do they have a spelling division?


It's the spelling Sonderkommando
 
2013-04-28 11:25:34 AM
I'm almost considering making myself a Creation shill just for the derptertainment.
 
2013-04-28 11:26:27 AM
Maybe all the creationists got raptured.
 
2013-04-28 11:26:41 AM

Repo Man: Has Fark scared off all of the creationists? Since Bevets has gone, I never see anyone defending creationism here. I guess I'll have to go and read YouTube comments to get my fix of creationist derp.


We still have the resident GED in Law, but he usually just makes semantic arguments and ignores anything of substance.
 
2013-04-28 11:31:50 AM

Wolf_Blitzer: Repo Man: Has Fark scared off all of the creationists? Since Bevets has gone, I never see anyone defending creationism here. I guess I'll have to go and read YouTube comments to get my fix of creationist derp.

We still have the resident GED in Law, but he usually just makes semantic arguments and ignores anything of substance.


That is just an alt of Elchip; he doesn't really count.  He is just doing it for laughs whereas B had an actual religious zeal behind it.
 
2013-04-28 11:34:06 AM

pivazena: Repo Man: Has Fark scared off all of the creationists? Since Bevets has gone, I never see anyone defending creationism here. I guess I'll have to go and read YouTube comments to get my fix of creationist derp.

they're all in church right now


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2013-04-28 11:34:42 AM

SpdrJay: Maybe all the creationists got raptured.


I think it is funny that all here smart folks are being dumbfounded by a calendar and a clock.
 
2013-04-28 11:42:20 AM

SurfaceTension: For those smarter than I, what does it mean when they talk about conserved genes? I've never heard that term before.


Conserved genes, or conserved sequences, are strings of DNA that are identical between different animals.  If two genes are identical, they'll both produce the same protein regardless of the animal the DNA came from.  They may not produce identical amounts of that protein, due to differences in non-conserved areas acting as repressors or promoters, but the protein produced will be the same.   The amount of conservation between two different organisms' whole genomes can be used to measure how "related" those two organisms are to each other, and allows you to examine where and how those organisms (or at least those DNA sequences) may have diverged from each other.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conserved_sequence
 
2013-04-28 11:43:01 AM
notthisshiatagain.jpg
 
2013-04-28 11:44:09 AM

edmo: It's the usual "you don't have perfect evidence so it's not true" argument (found right here in my perfect Bible).


I love how (all) religion(s) handle science.  When it fits their narrative it is valid:  "Carbon dating puts Shroud of Turin at about 2000 years old".  When it contradicts their narrative it isn't:  "Carbon dating puts Shroud of Turin at about 1200 years old".  Also faith requires just that, faith.  When science requires filling in some of the blanks with educated guesses it's "you have no proof".
 
2013-04-28 11:44:13 AM

Majick Thise: SurfaceTension: For those smarter than I, what does it mean when they talk about conserved genes? I've never heard that term before.

Well those genes are yer basic patriotic, gun totin', white, tea party, 'murrican genes.


Oh, how I laughed at that!

/biologist
//entomologist, really
 
rpm
2013-04-28 11:48:40 AM

edmo: It's the usual "you don't have perfect evidence so it's not true" argument (found right here in my perfect Bible).


I know, right?
 
2013-04-28 11:51:58 AM
The story about the coelacanth genome would have been a lot more interesting and accessible if it hadn't been filtered through some goofy ID perspective.
 
2013-04-28 11:52:14 AM
Marcus Aurelius: It's not polite to mock retarded people.  But in this case I think we can make an exception.

Actually, to the contrary. Calling this guy "retarded" is actually insulting to those with mental deficiencies.
 
2013-04-28 11:52:47 AM
i'll be impressed when i can get 25x coverage of my diploid set for $50, as 46 contigs w/o repeatmasked transposable elements / retroposons.
 
2013-04-28 11:58:36 AM

SurfaceTension: For those smarter than I, what does it mean when they talk about conserved genes? I've never heard that term before.


It's like when God makes a furnace in Feed the Beast, and then he needs to make an iron furnace which requires the furnace to make, and then he needs to make an electric furnace and needs the iron furnace, and then he needs to make an induction furnace and needs an electric furnace. The induction furnace and then iron furnace still both have the furnace in the crafting recipe. It's just easier to use a previous creation to make the next creation since it already has a lot of the stuff you need.

At least until a creeper comes along and blowssssssssssss....
 
2013-04-28 12:04:24 PM

utah dude: i'll be impressed when i can get 25x coverage of my diploid set for $50, as 46 contigs w/o repeatmasked transposable elements / retroposons.


I've got a coupon that will knock that down to $45.
 
2013-04-28 12:11:09 PM
Is it too hard for Creationists to simply say "God let nature take its course"?
Seriously, trying to refute science just makes them look lie a Palin child..
 
2013-04-28 12:11:45 PM
like
 
2013-04-28 12:27:24 PM
And this is supposed to rock religion how again?
 
2013-04-28 12:28:37 PM

wxboy: utah dude: i'll be impressed when i can get 25x coverage of my diploid set for $50, as 46 contigs w/o repeatmasked transposable elements / retroposons.

I've got a coupon that will knock that down to $45.


Yeah, but it comes out a little tarded at 45.
 
2013-04-28 12:33:20 PM

hardinparamedic: wxboy: utah dude: i'll be impressed when i can get 25x coverage of my diploid set for $50, as 46 contigs w/o repeatmasked transposable elements / retroposons.

I've got a coupon that will knock that down to $45.

Yeah, but it comes out a little tarded at 45.


I loled.
 
2013-04-28 12:41:43 PM

Gergesa: Wolf_Blitzer: Repo Man: Has Fark scared off all of the creationists? Since Bevets has gone, I never see anyone defending creationism here. I guess I'll have to go and read YouTube comments to get my fix of creationist derp.

We still have the resident GED in Law, but he usually just makes semantic arguments and ignores anything of substance.

That is just an alt of Elchip; he doesn't really count.  He is just doing it for laughs whereas B had an actual religious zeal behind it.


I know that's what a lot of people think and I know why, but I'm not convinced. Plus, does elchip even post anymore?
 
2013-04-28 12:49:01 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Gergesa: Wolf_Blitzer: Repo Man: Has Fark scared off all of the creationists? Since Bevets has gone, I never see anyone defending creationism here. I guess I'll have to go and read YouTube comments to get my fix of creationist derp.

We still have the resident GED in Law, but he usually just makes semantic arguments and ignores anything of substance.

That is just an alt of Elchip; he doesn't really count.  He is just doing it for laughs whereas B had an actual religious zeal behind it.

I know that's what a lot of people think and I know why, but I'm not convinced. Plus, does elchip even post anymore?


Keeping in mind that I don't know Elchip and don't look specifically for his posts, I believe the last time I saw a post by him was in some republican abortion thread.
 
2013-04-28 01:01:54 PM

hardinparamedic: wxboy: utah dude: i'll be impressed when i can get 25x coverage of my diploid set for $50, as 46 contigs w/o repeatmasked transposable elements / retroposons.

I've got a coupon that will knock that down to $45.

Yeah, but it comes out a little tarded at 45.


holy crap you didn't.
 
2013-04-28 01:02:41 PM

wxboy: utah dude: i'll be impressed when i can get 25x coverage of my diploid set for $50, as 46 contigs w/o repeatmasked transposable elements / retroposons.

I've got a coupon that will knock that down to $45.


kick down already. and don't use one'a them illumina jobs.
 
2013-04-28 01:21:37 PM

Repo Man: I never see anyone defending creationism here.


No point in defending the cartoon definition of creationism that most Fark anti-theists use.
Basic fact is the parts about creation in Genesis are a vague outline, not a build your own universe cookbook.
God created everything, or you can assume it happened all on it's own.
Because everything happens all on it's own, just need enough time, eh?
/and to think athiests believe they have no faith.
 
2013-04-28 01:35:59 PM

Kurmudgeon: Repo Man: I never see anyone defending creationism here.

No point in defending the cartoon definition of creationism that most Fark anti-theists use.
Basic fact is the parts about creation in Genesis are a vague outline, not a build your own universe cookbook.
God created everything, or you can assume it happened all on it's own.
Because everything happens all on it's own, just need enough time, eh?
/and to think athiests believe they have no faith.


is that tatsumaes summonus ?
 
2013-04-28 01:43:01 PM

The Billdozer: And this is supposed to rock religion how again?


It isn't. The evolution/creationism debate isn't about religion, as such.
 
2013-04-28 01:46:41 PM

Kurmudgeon: Repo Man: I never see anyone defending creationism here.

No point in defending the cartoon definition of creationism that most Fark anti-theists use.
Basic fact is the parts about creation in Genesis are a vague outline, not a build your own universe cookbook.
God created everything, or you can assume it happened all on it's own.
Because everything happens all on it's own, just need enough time, eh?
/and to think athiests believe they have no faith.


The evolution/creationism debate has nothing to do with faith vs atheism. The only people who say it does are intellectually dishonest trolls. You aren't an intellectually dishonest troll, are you? I certainly hope not.
 
rpm
2013-04-28 01:47:52 PM

Kurmudgeon: Basic fact is the parts about creation in Genesis are a vague outline, not a build your own universe cookbook.


Vague outline? IT'S IN THE WRONG farkING ORDER. That's not vague, that's wrong

Because everything happens all on it's own, just need enough time, eh?
/and to think athiests believe they have no faith.


We have evidence. You have what exactly?
 
2013-04-28 01:52:46 PM
Bevets is really gone? Wow, it's the end of an era.
 
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