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(NBC News)   The bill to return the FAA to normal staffing levels is being held up by: a) Republicans in the House, b) Republicans in the Senate, c) Typos   (usnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 46
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2013-04-28 07:57:51 AM
Since the bill doesn't give them any extra money, what other critical portions will be sacrificed so Congressmen get home on time?
 
2013-04-28 08:03:30 AM

Lost Thought 00: Since the bill doesn't give them any extra money, what other critical portions will be sacrificed so Congressmen get home on time?


Yep, pretty much. Maybe they can cut back on mechanical inspections. That should save some dough.
 
MFK
2013-04-28 08:13:51 AM
So that's how it's going to be with sequestration, huh? Programs for poor kids and the mentally ill and disabled remain on the block, but anything that Republicans like gets refunded?

fark these guys. Make em walk to and from Washington. At least that way they'd get to see how the rest of us are living.
 
2013-04-28 08:13:59 AM

clambam: Lost Thought 00: Since the bill doesn't give them any extra money, what other critical portions will be sacrificed so Congressmen get home on time?

Yep, pretty much. Maybe they can cut back on mechanical inspections. That should save some dough.


There's an increased chance that your flight will take off on time.
There's a decreased chance that it'll actually make it further than the scene of the crash.
 
2013-04-28 08:17:19 AM
I don't fly in airplanes so I don't know why I should have to be taxed for this. Tax the airplane flyers for this.
 
2013-04-28 08:27:08 AM
TFA says they're returning to work now, but the bill won't reach the President until tomorrow.

Aren't they breaking the law?

/Too bad Obama doesn't have the cojones to veto this.
 
2013-04-28 08:28:18 AM

Noam Chimpsky: I don't fly in airplanes so I don't know why I should have to be taxed for this. Tax the airplane flyers for this.


They already do.
 
2013-04-28 08:40:33 AM
Another victim of Microsoft and their shiatty Ribbon interface
 
2013-04-28 08:54:24 AM
D) All the above
 
MFK
2013-04-28 08:55:07 AM

Noam Chimpsky: I don't fly in airplanes so I don't know why I should have to be taxed for this. Tax the airplane flyers for this.


The FAA falls under infrastructure and transportation. Operated independently of the airlines. It's kind of like your federal dollars going to a highway that you might never drive on, but is still critical to that particular region of the nation.
 
2013-04-28 09:12:20 AM

MFK: The FAA falls under infrastructure and transportation. Operated independently of the airlines. It's kind of like your federal dollars going to a highway that you might never drive on, but is still critical to that particular region of the nation.


Yes, but the people who actually believe that sort of thing also actually believe that their money shouldn't have to pay for roads or bridges in states they'll never visit so that analogy won't work.

Regardless, there are perfectly good reasons. Airlines, like interstates and shipyards facilitate national and international economics through shipping, tourism, etc. As a whole, they're a boon for everybody regardless of who is paying. Plus, it's not like the roads and airports in his area aren't getting the same funding from other states.

Well... his doesn't.... Minnesota is one of those libby liberal socialist states that pays more to support conservative welfare than it take in.
 
2013-04-28 09:19:40 AM

skozlaw: Yes, but the people who actually believe that sort of thing also actually believe that their money shouldn't have to pay for roads or bridges in states they'll never visit so that analogy won't work.


But it's OK, because I'm sure he's never bought anything that was shipped from out of state.
 
2013-04-28 09:20:20 AM

Noam Chimpsky: I don't fly in airplanes so I don't know why I should have to be taxed for this. Tax the airplane flyers for this.


Besides the fact that they do get taxed, you might not personally fly airplanes, but goods you buy are shipped on them. So even if you never get on a plane, you're still relying on airplanes.
 
2013-04-28 09:41:48 AM

cman: Another victim of Microsoft and their shiatty Ribbon interface


God I hate that ribbon.  I still can't find anything on it.
 
2013-04-28 09:44:21 AM

PanicMan: God I hate that ribbon. I still can't find anything on it.


You know, I do too, but when we switched at work almost everybody complained at first but now they all seem to prefer it.

Maybe we just don't use it enough.
 
2013-04-28 09:58:06 AM
Too bad science funding doesn't impact congressional GOPers' weekend plans.
 
2013-04-28 10:14:54 AM
I'm really sick of this shiat.  Trying to buy a plane ticket so I can fly back to PA and visit all the family but I'm so uneasy on flying now.  I have no idea when would be a good time to fly back either.    If it's not the weather, it's Congress.  If it's not Congress it's the price...
 
2013-04-28 10:17:40 AM

thornhill: Noam Chimpsky: I don't fly in airplanes so I don't know why I should have to be taxed for this. Tax the airplane flyers for this.

Besides the fact that they do get taxed, you might not personally fly airplanes, but goods you buy are shipped on them. So even if you never get on a plane, you're still relying on airplanes.


They can pass the expense on to the consumer by raising prices. That is the natural way it should work. The only expense that should be shared as a whole is military.
 
2013-04-28 10:23:08 AM
have a friend who will be flying next week and i'm glad they did this for her sake. but it sucks. if i hear one more time about how the sequester was supposed to hurt and would never happen i'll ..

well i'll piss and moan, there's nothing practical i can do.
 
2013-04-28 10:23:35 AM

loser0: TFA says they're returning to work now, but the bill won't reach the President until tomorrow.

Aren't they breaking the law?


They can bring them back to work right now; they just can't pay them until the bill goes through.  They're assuming it will, obviously, but they're going to end up in a sticky situation if Obama suddenly decides to veto it.
 
2013-04-28 10:29:56 AM

Lost Thought 00: Since the bill doesn't give them any extra money, what other critical portions will be sacrificed so Congressmen get home on time?


The Airport Improvement Plan appropriation is getting pilfered for this bill, so if you're an airport operator looking to fix up your runways or other infrastructure, or are looking to be a good neighbor and help nearby homes and schools with noise mitigation costs - too damn bad.
 
2013-04-28 10:36:16 AM

skozlaw: PanicMan: God I hate that ribbon. I still can't find anything on it.

You know, I do too, but when we switched at work almost everybody complained at first but now they all seem to prefer it.

Maybe we just don't use it enough.


There's a training game called Ribbon Hero 2: Clippy's Second Chance.

And yes, I wish I were making that up.
 
2013-04-28 10:41:48 AM

Noam Chimpsky: thornhill: Noam Chimpsky: I don't fly in airplanes so I don't know why I should have to be taxed for this. Tax the airplane flyers for this.

Besides the fact that they do get taxed, you might not personally fly airplanes, but goods you buy are shipped on them. So even if you never get on a plane, you're still relying on airplanes.

They can pass the expense on to the consumer by raising prices. That is the natural way it should work. The only expense that should be shared as a whole is military.


What about roads?
 
2013-04-28 10:46:37 AM

MFK: So that's how it's going to be with sequestration, huh? Programs for poor kids and the mentally ill and disabled remain on the block, but anything that Republicans like gets refunded?


Those people don't vote.  Poor people don't fly or vote Republican.  F*ck 'em all, says the GOP.

"Compassionate Conservatism" is strictly for the business class.  "You're hungry?  Too bad.  Your flight was delayed an hour?   Unacceptable!!  We must act NOW!!"
 
2013-04-28 10:49:51 AM

Noam Chimpsky: I don't fly in airplanes so I don't know why I should have to be taxed for this. Tax the airplane flyers for this.


No but since they are constantly flying over your head you ARE at risk of dying from a plane crash.   I'm happy to pay to make sure 2 planes don't collide at 30k feet and fall into my house.
 
2013-04-28 11:02:48 AM
If you were wondering, the savings are going to come from cut backs in construction of infrastructure. There are a bunch of ATC towers that are in the process of being replaced, lots of them are pushing 50 years of service and are just too pricey to maintain or are actually beginning to fail.

It's actually funny, you go into DFW West and they still have the chain hoists and tracks that were useful in hauling around terminals back in the 70's. Now there's nothing in the tower over 30 pounds.

/Certified Tower Operator
//sorta happy the FAA never called.
 
2013-04-28 11:12:42 AM
Good.
i41.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-28 11:23:47 AM
So Reagan fired them, puts the managers in the towers

The system worked fine

So Obama lay's them off, does nothing except more golf

The system stops

And we say who is the better President?
 
2013-04-28 11:26:47 AM

derpy: Good.



Ah Head start????

You quote the #1 failure of Government? Well SS is #2 with it 1.1% ROI.

Why?
 
2013-04-28 11:27:07 AM
I'm hoping they get this all sorted out in the next few weeks...my oldest graduates HS next month and I'd really like to make it without having to live at O Hare for a couple of days.
 
2013-04-28 11:40:30 AM

derpy: Good.
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Nice graph, libtard.  Too bad it's a lie.

They didn't act because jumbo jets were getting delayed.  They acted because private jets and the small/private air ports the congressmen/senators use to fly home every weekend were getting delays/closing.
 
2013-04-28 11:41:30 AM
Can someone direct me to which K street lobbying firm wrote the bill so I can pass on my outrage?
 
2013-04-28 11:48:47 AM

loser0: TFA says they're returning to work now, but the bill won't reach the President until tomorrow.

Aren't they breaking the law?



Short answer: No.

Long answer: The law doesn't actually say, "You must furlough X employee on Y date."  It just says that in fiscal year 2013, you can only spend say $80 million on personnel, but your current personnel would cost you $100 million for the FY, so you have few options other than furloughing employees to generate those savings since the savings have to come out of the personnel account.  (Theses are made-up numbers to demonstrate the point)

You could hypothetically furlough everyone 13 days in a row in August to generate those savings, but obviously that would be super disruptive to both the country and the workers who wouldn't get paid or have benefits for almost three weeks assuming a 5-day work schedule, so the FAA tried to spread the furlough days out throughout the half year from when sequestration went into effect until the end of the fiscal year, which is why the furloughs were beginning now even though the savings deadline isn't for several months.  That was an administrative decision, not a mandate from congress.

What the bill does is allow the FAA to shift money from non-personnel accounts to pay for the (eg) $20 million you would have had to cut from personnel.  So that means you don't need to furlough people because you don't need them to generate savings.  Now that it appears certain that the bill will pass, there is nothing stopping the FAA from immediately stopping the furloughs except for the fact that it takes a while to turn the battleship that is the bureaucracy(not the least of which is getting into contact with all the thousands of employees you told were going to be furloughed and telling them that instead they have to come in to work).

The FAA would only be in trouble if they lifted the furloughs but Obama didn't sign the bill prior to the end of the fiscal year (September 30, 2013).
 
2013-04-28 12:38:39 PM

derpy: Good.
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I honestly think Congress acted on the airplane issue because the public was groaning the loudest at that issue over the other issues. Every news channel's headline feature was something like "NIGHTMARE AT THE AIRPORT!" So, I don't think this was a case of Congress being self-serving or screwing the poor. The squeakiest wheel is the first to get the grease, remember?
 
2013-04-28 12:51:21 PM
obamafail:

For God's sake man.  Take some pride in your work.
If you can't even come up with a witty troll handle, how are we ever supposed to fall for your schick?  At least capitalize the O and F.
 
2013-04-28 12:53:34 PM
obamafail: [derp]

Hey  altfail, try waiting more than a whole week next time.

/plonk
 
2013-04-28 01:01:31 PM
obamafail:

It's shiat trolls like you that make me miss the days of gato and phil. For fark's sake, winter had a better thing than you.

/plonk
 
2013-04-28 01:14:02 PM

SixPaperJoint: obamafail:

It's shiat trolls like you that make me miss the days of gato and phil. For fark's sake, winter had a better thing than you.

/plonk


I think it is winter.
 
2013-04-28 01:16:53 PM
How many air traffic controllers could we afford to hire if we stopped paying Congress?
 
2013-04-28 01:39:58 PM
So when the all time do nothing congress actually votes, they vote for Typos?

You don't need proofers if you never intend anything to become law.
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2013-04-28 01:45:46 PM

Lost Thought 00: Since the bill doesn't give them any extra money, what other critical portions will be sacrificed so Congressmen get home on time?


That question assumes that everything the FAA does is so critical that even 4% less of it is somehow detrimental. In my experience there isn't much in life that one-twentyfifth less of it would make much of an impact.
 
2013-04-28 03:45:36 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Too bad science funding doesn't impact congressional GOPers' weekend plans.


Hell, if it did impact their weekend plans, they'd just cancel ALL science funding, proclaim "Science Bad!" and hop on one of them that magical flyin machines anyways.
 
2013-04-28 05:34:52 PM

loser0: TFA says they're returning to work now, but the bill won't reach the President until tomorrow.

Aren't they breaking the law?

/Too bad Obama doesn't have the cojones to veto this.


Law says they have $X to spend on labor for the fiscal year.  If it got vetoed, they could just backload all the furlough days later.
 
2013-04-28 05:37:56 PM

jjorsett: Lost Thought 00: Since the bill doesn't give them any extra money, what other critical portions will be sacrificed so Congressmen get home on time?

That question assumes that everything the FAA does is so critical that even 4% less of it is somehow detrimental. In my experience there isn't much in life that one-twentyfifth less of it would make much of an impact.


Since the slice of what is getting cut it getting smaller and smaller, the size of the cuts on those things is getting bigger and bigger.

Lots of contractors are probably gonna be out of work soon.  Sadly, that's a lot of my friends.
 
2013-04-28 05:59:37 PM

loser0: TFA says they're returning to work now, but the bill won't reach the President until tomorrow.

Aren't they breaking the law?

/Too bad Obama doesn't have the cojones to veto this.


No, because they have a budget that last until October. They can certainly use June's money in May or whatever, but if they didn't furlow now they would have been left with 0 money for air traffic some September, so they cut the pace of their spending by furlows. They are confident now that sometime before September the ability to move money around will be given to them, so they are taking the very small chance that its not be ending furlows now.
 
2013-04-28 08:39:19 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: obamafail: [derp]

Hey  altfail, try waiting more than a whole week next time.

/plonk

 
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