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2013-04-28 09:10:42 AM
8 votes:

Gdalescrboz: Here's the thing about Islam and jihad.  Yes, many of them disagree with why someone may be waging jihad, but as a Muslim they must accept it as a tenant of Islam and will rarely intervene.   I buy that the majority of Muslims are against violence; I don't buy that he majority of Muslims are against a member of their faith conducting a personal jihad.  This is the danger of Islam, while the majority are peaceful, they support radicals passively on a large scale


Jihad is NOT one of the "Five Pillars of Islam", the universal non-negotiable parts of the faith.  While common, jihad is only considered utterly essential to Twelver-Shi'a Islam.  Some Sunni scholars have tried to get it accepted as a sixth Pillar, but they are most certainly NOT a majority.

However, among other Sunni, and most Shi'a, the idea that "jihad" means armed conflict with those who are not Muslim is NOT a tenet of the faith.

In far more common, moderate, Islam, "jihad" (which literally means "struggle") is not a "holy war", but instead the effort to fight for virtue and holiness in the world.  That can be a fight for social justice, or to eloquently persuade people through speech and writing to live a more honorable and virtuous fight, or to engage in honorable military service in defense of your nation, or to serve as a police officer and fight crime, or a personal struggle to overcome temptation and base urges to live a virtuous and holy lifestyle.  The idea that it means blowing up infidels is NOT the standard definition or practice of Islam.
2013-04-28 08:45:30 AM
6 votes:
Here's the thing about Islam and jihad.  Yes, many of them disagree with why someone may be waging jihad, but as a Muslim they must accept it as a tenant of Islam and will rarely intervene.   I buy that the majority of Muslims are against violence; I don't buy that he majority of Muslims are against a member of their faith conducting a personal jihad.  This is the danger of Islam, while the majority are peaceful, they support radicals passively on a large scale
2013-04-28 08:41:09 AM
6 votes:
Fark headline: "Yeah, the nutty Chechen mom was in on it"...

Article doesn't say that at all. That's not even close to what this story says.

Didn't we learn our lesson about smearing people over this bombing from the armchair detective retards over at Reddit?
2013-04-28 08:28:36 AM
6 votes:

atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.


"Wow, $MEMBERS_OF_RELIGION lie and plot, who would have thought."

Doesn't sound bigotted at all.
2013-04-28 08:26:27 AM
6 votes:
...because CNN have been so trustworthy reporting this matter, so far...
2013-04-28 02:38:00 AM
6 votes:
Good, let the Russians deal with her.

Gitmo is too tropical anyways. If you're going to shut someone away for good .. nothing says hopeless despair like Siberia.
2013-04-28 08:44:18 AM
5 votes:

PC LOAD LETTER: I suspected both of the parents were nuts. It wasn't out of the question that they were an influence in them doing this. Welcome to the crazy branch of everyone's family. Just that my crazy branch doesn't commit mass murder.


First thing I wondered when this all came out. What kind of sh*t were these kids exposed to on a daily basis while they were growing up? For that matter, what kind of family moves here from some sh*thole like Chechnya, then teaches their kids that OUR nation sucks?

Just stay home, assholes.
2013-04-28 08:37:44 AM
5 votes:
Talking to my mom on the phone, I've probably said something like, "That 9/11 bombing was terrible."

If I went bananas and became notorious, that would be described "the suspect had discussed terrorism with his mother".
2013-04-28 03:25:13 AM
5 votes:

R.A.Danny: I hope she's happy with her one dead son and her other failure in Allah's eyes.


Why do I just get this image of Allah, along with every other supreme deity, shaking his head and wondering where he went wrong with humans.
2013-04-28 10:05:09 AM
4 votes:
Not to ruin the narrative or anything, but THEY'RE NOT FROM CHECHNYA. They're from Dagestan.

Notice how the media calls them "ethnically Chechen"? Can you imagine the firestorm if they did that with some other ethnicity, perhaps with a different skin color? They've also described Chechnya as "their ancestral homeland."

"North Korean bombers! What? They immigrated from South Korea 10 years ago, and one's an American citizen? OK, but they're ethnically North Korean."

"Israeli bombers! What, they're from Jordan? But they're Palestinian, so Israel is their ancestral homeland."

"OK, sure, he was born in the U.S., but he's ethnically Kenyan."

Also, for Chechen separatists to attack us would be like the Confederacy attacking Russia. It makes no sense at all. Even the extremist, terrorist, Islamic fundamentalists there disclaim responsibility for Boston. As they said, "our enemy is Russia." Why didn't the older one stay there for that fight, rather than blow up a foot race on the far side of the world?

Oh, wait, they now say the brothers had no connection to foreign groups. So it had nothing to do with the place they never lived. Go figure.

/geography nazi
2013-04-28 08:52:06 AM
4 votes:
so you want me to believe a word the Russian government says about a Chechen?

next you'll be asking me to believe the Israelis about a Palestinian.
2013-04-28 08:31:05 AM
4 votes:
I think it's likely they had help, and the mom is a decent suspect.  But...

"...may have been one of her sons..."

"...described the conversation as vague."

"This is CNN."
2013-04-28 08:07:54 AM
4 votes:

vpb: it was obvious something wasn't right with her.  Every photo I've seen of her shows her is some outlandish drama queen pose.


Hard to believe a gal like that didn't raise more well-adjusted boys, isn't it?  After watching their dad's brother on TV and then seeing her rant and rave, it didn't take me long to figure out which side of the family they got their cray cray genes from.
2013-04-28 09:53:30 AM
3 votes:

Gdalescrboz: they must accept it as a tenant of Islam


LeoffDaGrate: I thought you were true to the tenants of the Constitution.


TENETS, goddammit, TENETS!

/i'm fighting a losing battle, aren't i
2013-04-28 09:43:48 AM
3 votes:

Gdalescrboz: Here's the thing about Islam and jihad.  Yes, many of them disagree with why someone may be waging jihad, but as a Muslim they must accept it as a tenant of Islam and will rarely intervene.   I buy that the majority of Muslims are against violence; I don't buy that he majority of Muslims are against a member of their faith conducting a personal jihad.  This is the danger of Islam, while the majority are peaceful, they support radicals passively on a large scale


Educated, orthodox Muslims consider violent jihad as espoused by many Salafi clerics to be a heresy, in much the same way that most Christians are against anti-abortion clinic bombers. Jihad means "struggle," and most interpret that to mean a personal struggle to live up to the five pillars of Islam.

But abortion nuts don't have the entire Saudi aristocracy and all its oil money backing their heresy, so you have a lot more violent heretics in the Muslim world than in 'Murica.
2013-04-28 09:17:34 AM
3 votes:
That's not what the article actually said, Subby.

And at this point, while everyone else in the family is done with the media and avoiding it like the plague, mom is grabbing her fifteen minutes of fame, even if it is infamy, and milking it like an Oklahoma dairy hand. Ten bucks says she going to get a book deal out of this. And a 60 minutes interview in a few weeks. Twenty bucks says that if we come back to her in five years time, I bet she will have dropped the whole "devote Muslim" routine and will be back to her old self and she will be coming about with another book telling how wrong she was about the first book. There's just something of a con artist about her.

I've said it once and I'll say it again, this bombing wasn't about defending Islam, it was about being a psychopath attention whore. There was no agenda outside of blowing stuff up because the brothers had a chip on their shoulder.

/this family is as Muslim as the WBC is as Christian
2013-04-28 08:49:56 AM
3 votes:

Gdalescrboz: Here's the thing about Christianity and crusades.  Yes, many of them disagree with why someone may be waging crusade, but as a Christian they must accept it as a tenant of Christianity and will rarely intervene.   I buy that the majority of Atheists are against violence; I don't buy that he majority of Christians are against a member of their faith conducting a personal crusade  This is the danger of Christianity, while the majority are peaceful, they support radicals passively on a large scale

2013-04-28 02:00:57 AM
3 votes:
I hope she's happy with her one dead son and her other failure in Allah's eyes.
2013-04-28 02:42:49 PM
2 votes:
Mom and dad watched american TV shows from the 80-s, came to america to find the country they saw on the screen.  They moved to the east coast because someone already had family there, or perhaps someone knew someone from there.  They never moved away from their initial "landing" site, and since this was east coast, the only place they could afford was a shiathole.  Father had to work twice as hard in the new country, and was only able to bring back half as much.  Mother gets disillusioned, spouts off semiracist rants about "farking americans", while the father joins in with the unfairness of it all.  The older brother grows up in this home, alienated from his heritage, as well as from his adopted country.  Any sense of belonging is shattered by the parents.  He gets radicalized, or just takes the stereotype of his culture, and embodies it.  Young brother just wants to be like the big brother.


All in all, fark em.

/1st generation immigrant here
2013-04-28 01:58:32 PM
2 votes:

SkinnyHead: According to John Brennan, this administration does not consider Jihadists to be our enemy because "jihad is a holy struggle, a legitimate tenet of Islam."


Jihadi != violent extremist.

Jihad is just an excuse violent Islamic extremists use to justify their douchbaggery. Jihad is not necessarily a violent thing.

Kudos to John Brennan for spelling "tenet" correctly.
2013-04-28 11:06:42 AM
2 votes:
As raw as my nerves are about this, I'm not gonna jump to conclusions from a vague article about a vague conversation. "Jihad" has a broader meaning than we westerners ascribe to it. We assume the only meaning is malicious and violent. Jihad literally means struggle in the service of God. Which can mean many things, such as to better oneself through inner spirituality.

Compare "crusade" and what muslims assume it means when Westerners use it. Westerners often use it to mean a renewed effort or a collective effort toward a specific goal. Muslims hear "religious war against non-Christians in the Holy Land".
2013-04-28 11:02:01 AM
2 votes:

Mrtraveler01: mekki: Bedstead Polisher: I'm not sure if anyone here knows, but what happened to their sisters? No one is mentioning them other than in that old photo of the two brothers with the two sisters.

Read the article Mrtraveler01 posted. According to the article, one sister is in jail for selling pot and the other is estranged from her family. (I wonder if she realized just how farked her family was and wanted to be as far away from them as possible for her own sake.)

Mrtraveler01: This was in today's Washington Post and I found it to be a fascinating read:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/feature/wp/2013/04/27/the-tsarnaev- fa mily-a-faded-portrait-of-an-immigrants-american-dream/?hpid=z1

Yes, but apparently I didn't know that this article was supposed to make me feel sorry for this trainwreck of a family. If someone on Fark hadn't mentioned that to me. I would've never known.


I don't feel sorry for the family after having read that. Instead, it confirmed what I already thought, that this bombing had little to do with Islam and more to do with the individuals who were a Ferris wheel short of being carnies and thought the world owed them something just for existing. And since the world didn't give them all they thought they should deserve, well, BOOM.

If it hadn't been Islam, the excuse would have been something different and the end result would have been the same.

I wish the best for the estranged sister because having born with those genes, she is going to need it.
2013-04-28 09:55:22 AM
2 votes:

here to help: jehovahs witness protection: WOW@all the libs taking her side.
THIS is what's wrong with America.

Which thread are you reading?


The same one as you and me, however with many of the more hard core Conservatives, anyone who doesn't advocate killing all Muslims is a Liberal taking the side of the terrorists.
2013-04-28 09:04:37 AM
2 votes:

maggoo: The newspiece only claims that she might have had a conversation with one of her sons way back in 2011 where jihad may or may not have been mentioned in some point, but it was too vague for them to tell.

Yeah, that's plenty of reason to put her on death row.


Hey libtard! This is a kneejerk lynch mob and you're either for us or against us. If you're going to start doing stuff like thinking and get your panties in a bunch over bullshiat like justice and the presumption of innocence then maybe you should go hang out in the male lingerie thread.

You sicken me.
2013-04-28 08:52:22 AM
2 votes:

atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.


The majority of Muslims I've met are far better human beings than you'll ever be.

These idiots are scum.
2013-04-28 08:47:40 AM
2 votes:
WOW@all the libs taking her side.
THIS is what's wrong with America.
2013-04-28 08:45:56 AM
2 votes:

atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.


Just like 2003 again. Invasion of the wrong country would come along soon, if we had a Real Murcan in the White House. Sorry, patriot. Maybe next time. Then American mothers could cheer on their sons as they kill people entirely unconnected with an attack on their home. The circle of death.
2013-04-28 08:40:33 AM
2 votes:
Doesn't jihad just mean any type of personal religious journey? So this could be something non threatening.

Course seeing the mother I'm going to go with wackadoodle bombing jihad.
2013-04-28 08:39:13 AM
2 votes:
Discussing does not equal planning.
2013-04-28 08:39:04 AM
2 votes:
I suspected both of the parents were nuts. It wasn't out of the question that they were an influence in them doing this. Welcome to the crazy branch of everyone's family. Just that my crazy branch doesn't commit mass murder.
2013-04-28 08:25:13 AM
2 votes:
The newspiece only claims that she might have had a conversation with one of her sons way back in 2011 where jihad may or may not have been mentioned in some point, but it was too vague for them to tell.

Yeah, that's plenty of reason to put her on death row.
2013-04-28 01:55:48 AM
2 votes:
I saw the fark thread that suggested that he called his coont of a mother while he was killing people.  I'm sure that she is an honest, good person.
2013-04-29 12:10:01 AM
1 votes:
be careful who you label as a "terrorist".

why isn't "the batman shooter" considered a terrorist?

he killed more.

he terrorized just as many people.

if not more.

-eat your double standard for breakfast.
2013-04-28 10:34:52 PM
1 votes:
This is a damn good point. I've always thought that the ten commandments were written by men who were just protecting their own shiat but were smart enough to craft loopholes in an age when explicit exclusions required way to much extra stone carving. Like the prohibition on coveting thy neighbors wife was just some guy complaining 'Bob is always looking at my wife's tits and I want it to stop but I don't want to shut down objectification of all chicks' or the very convenient thou shall not murder rather than thou shalt not kill which leaves enough wiggle room to allow a lot of justified killing.
2013-04-28 03:01:15 PM
1 votes:
The mother wasn't a Jihadist or a radicalized Muslim. She is a thief and a con artist who was running a con on her own sons. I'm willing to bet that the sons were sending money back to mom in Russia, and that the mother would say anything that she needed to to keep that money coming from her sons.
2013-04-28 02:19:33 PM
1 votes:

3StratMan: The Fed's policy of "Let everyone in, regardless of anything, and pay no attention to them once they are here" agrees with my statement.


Another well-informed person.

Tell us more about that policy. And how nobody ever gets deported. Don't be stingy. Share your vast knowledge.
2013-04-28 02:18:04 PM
1 votes:

3StratMan: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 400x225]


farm5.staticflickr.com

I still want to know if mom and dad left voluntarily, after she got into trouble for shoplifting or if they were deported.

And for those biatching about the use of the word jihad, Don't forget Bush did declare a crusade.
Don't confuse groups like the Taliban who wage true jihad with these two dumbfark pieces of shiat. You're giving them more credit than they deserve.
2013-04-28 02:15:49 PM
1 votes:

BlaqueKatt: ever hear of Taqiyah?

It is a form of lying that is acceptable in order to forward the goals of Islam.
Commonly used when dealing with infidels as a means to gain favor in a situation that
may be presently un-winnable when dealt with honestly. The subterfuge is used to gain
an advantage to later use to win the situation over to Islam.


You sound real well-informed.

But you forgot to mention that Jews drink the blood of Christian babies.
2013-04-28 01:41:51 PM
1 votes:

gerbilpox: Notice how the media calls them "ethnically Chechen"? Can you imagine the firestorm if they did that with some other ethnicity, perhaps with a different skin color? They've also described Chechnya as "their ancestral homeland."


The family identifies as Chechen. Remember the uncle on TV saying the brothers brought shame on the Chechen people?
2013-04-28 01:19:14 PM
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: By all means, let's see you prove your point by CITING the purged documents.

/you won't because you're a liar.

So the only way my point could possibly be valid is if I have access to classified FBI documents used to train it's agents in how to investigate and prevent terrorism, and if I cut and paste those onto the internet for you? Otherwise, I'm lying because I point out that the only people saying this happened as the Wired article stated it was?

Yet, SkinnyHead's editorial/opinion piece from a right-wing rag is fact?

Bravo, Sir. I am in awe of your cognitive dissonance.


That and the fact that he admitted that in his mind, these documents were scrubbed for political correctness and not for being factually wrong.

I just find him to be entertaining to watch.
2013-04-28 01:04:57 PM
1 votes:

SunsetLament: Can the same be said of the popularity of these two a-hole brothers (or the 9/11 terrorists) in the Muslim community? Of course not.


True, they just thwart future terror attacks instead.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/04/22/muslim-community-tipped-off-rcm p- about-terror-plot
2013-04-28 01:01:39 PM
1 votes:

Chaghatai: Gdalescrboz: Here's the thing about Islam and jihad.  Yes, many of them disagree with why someone may be waging jihad, but as a Muslim they must accept it as a tenant of Islam and will rarely intervene.   I buy that the majority of Muslims are against violence; I don't buy that he majority of Muslims are against a member of their faith conducting a personal jihad.  This is the danger of Islam, while the majority are peaceful, they support radicals passively on a large scale

I don't buy that Muslims are any more likely to accept such personal radicalization in the name of "jihad" any more than Christians are widespread in acceptance of personal "crusades". Both faiths have a word for religiously motivated warfare but to neither rely on it any more than another as a "tenet" of their beliefs.


Oh bullshiat.  Muslims are killing people in the name of their religion all over the farking world.  The rest of the world has been suggesting/asking/begging them to stop for thousands of years.  Everybody else has cut that shiat out.  For almost 70 years, whenever a non-muslim commits an act of terrorism, every one else in that person's OWN religion denounces it and takes measures to prevent it from happening further.  The United States and Britain (alone) lost one million people trying to stamp out violence and massacres in the name of Christianity during WWII.  No Christian supports that actions of McVeigh or Rudolph (that happened 15-20 years ago, but that's how infrequently attacks in the name of Christianity occur, so we have to reach back forever to get examples).  Those jerkoffs in the Westboro Baptist Church?  They have a 0% approval rating in the Christian community.  Can the same be said of the popularity of these two a-hole brothers (or the 9/11 terrorists) in the Muslim community?  Of course not.

So you can take your moral equivalence and stick it up your ass.
2013-04-28 12:55:06 PM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Are you a little bit retarded?  He stated that they were purged. You went all [citation needed.jpg].  Get shown to not have a clue about recent events.  And then... move the goalposts.  You were wrong.


Actually, he stated they were purged because of political pandering to Muslims, instead of actual, real-world reasons. Stop being intellectually dishonest.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: As for the  "From your own link:The FBI purged documents according to four criteria: "factual errors"; "poor taste"; employment of "stereotypes" about Arabs or Muslims; or presenting information that "lacked precision."   Are you familiar with the documents contents?  Because there's this thing called spin you should probably learn about.


So we're reaching Benghazi level derp, now?

Is it a scandal, yet?

In reality, you're taking a non-issue and trying to turn it into a manufactured controversy. But please. Keep reaching there.
2013-04-28 12:50:35 PM
1 votes:

GORDON: Just as much as Bill O'Reilly speaks for all Republicans.

Checkmate.


img.myconfinedspace.com

Who's said that in this thread again? Hmm?

Mrtraveler01: I can't stand Bill Maher and I'm pretty much a far-leftist in the eyes of Conservatives (and by that, I really mean I'm a moderate)


Bill Maher is just as crankish as anyone on the right. Glenn Beck is the closest comparison that comes to mind.

SkinnyHead: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/102611-589489-delinking-isl am -and-terror.htm?p=full


Well, SkinnyHead, your editorial/opinion piece on what the FBI did from your Right-winged rag sure proved me wron-

Wait, let's visit a link that another one of your supporters posted in this thread, just for kicks.

The documents were deleted for being inaccurate and blatantly wrong? It's almost as if you're trying to manufacture a controversy here.
2013-04-28 12:34:29 PM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: hardinparamedic: SkinnyHead: You're welcome.  It's the truth.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x163]

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/02/hundreds-fbi-documents-musli ms /

How do you not remember this?


From your own link:The FBI purged documents according to four criteria: "factual errors"; "poor taste"; employment of "stereotypes" about Arabs or Muslims; or presenting information that "lacked precision."

But hey, as long as we teach them inaccurate information which preaches fear and not actual deductive police work, it's all cool!

So on a scale from Potato to Benghazi, how full of Bullshiat are you?
2013-04-28 12:19:59 PM
1 votes:
When even Bill Maher is calling out the liberal bullshiat on Islam, you know something has changed.
2013-04-28 12:03:02 PM
1 votes:

utah dude: Mrtraveler01: Considering that they lived in the US for over 10 years and only became radicalized after living in the United States...uh, yeah.

change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism. change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism. change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism. change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism. change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism.


Yea, if not for poverty and discrimination that wealthy Saudi Arabian wouldn't have dispatched 19 well educated upper middle class youths to terrorize America on 9/11/01.
2013-04-28 11:39:57 AM
1 votes:

obamafail: Mrtraveler01: utah dude: close the borders. close the borders. close the borders. close the borders. close the borders.

And how would that stop homegrown terrorism exactly?

Hummm, he was not exactly home grown, now was he?


Considering that they lived in the US for over 10 years and only became radicalized after living in the United States...uh, yeah.
2013-04-28 11:13:49 AM
1 votes:
I wish I had the talent to look at a picture and tell by the way the a person is sitting or looking that a person is a drama queen, crazy, and/or a terrorist.

"There is nothing more exhilarating than pointing out the (imagined) shortcomings of others, is there?"
viewaskew.com
2013-04-28 10:59:26 AM
1 votes:

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: I'm sure she was just encouraging her boys in their path of inner philosophical struggle, because if you weren't such an uneducated teabagger, you'd know that's what jihad means. Oh, and Christianity is exactly and equally as bad in every way. Have I covered all the FarkLib™   bases here?


I know you were trying to be snarky but you're actually not far off from the truth.

Jihad doesn't necessarily mean violence. And yes, apparently uneducated Tea Partiers don't know that.

Thank you for your contribution.
2013-04-28 10:52:17 AM
1 votes:

mekki: Bedstead Polisher: I'm not sure if anyone here knows, but what happened to their sisters? No one is mentioning them other than in that old photo of the two brothers with the two sisters.

Read the article Mrtraveler01 posted. According to the article, one sister is in jail for selling pot and the other is estranged from her family. (I wonder if she realized just how farked her family was and wanted to be as far away from them as possible for her own sake.)

Mrtraveler01: This was in today's Washington Post and I found it to be a fascinating read:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/feature/wp/2013/04/27/the-tsarnaev- fa mily-a-faded-portrait-of-an-immigrants-american-dream/?hpid=z1


Yes, but apparently I didn't know that this article was supposed to make me feel sorry for this trainwreck of a family. If someone on Fark hadn't mentioned that to me. I would've never known.
2013-04-28 10:35:07 AM
1 votes:
"Attorney General Holder also responded to criticism that the surviving suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was read his Miranda rights not to be questions without a lawyer. "

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2013-04-28 10:34:13 AM
1 votes:
mr_a:

Why do I just get this image of Allah, along with every other supreme deity, shaking his head and wondering where he went wrong with humans.

I don't know, considering all deities are man made.
2013-04-28 10:23:20 AM
1 votes:

Bedstead Polisher: I'm not sure if anyone here knows, but what happened to their sisters? No one is mentioning them other than in that old photo of the two brothers with the two sisters.


They both got married and moved away (both of them are in NJ now I think) and have basically disowned their parents.

They've tried to keep a low profile even when the New York media was hounding them.
2013-04-28 10:23:09 AM
1 votes:

Gdalescrboz: Here's the thing about Islam and jihad.  Yes, many of them disagree with why someone may be waging jihad, but as a Muslim they must accept it as a tenant of Islam and will rarely intervene.   I buy that the majority of Muslims are against violence; I don't buy that he majority of Muslims are against a member of their faith conducting a personal jihad.  This is the danger of Islam, while the majority are peaceful, they support radicals passively on a large scale


I don't buy that Muslims are any more likely to accept such personal radicalization in the name of "jihad" any more than Christians are widespread in acceptance of personal "crusades". Both faiths have a word for religiously motivated warfare but to neither rely on it any more than another as a "tenet" of their beliefs.
2013-04-28 10:21:45 AM
1 votes:

amazing_live_seamonkeys: Mrtraveler01: Who feels sorry for them? I still can't find that in the article.

FT Other A:

The older one, Tamerlan, was sociable, even showy, dressing sharply, honing his body to become an Olympic boxer. He married an American WASP, daughter of a well-to-do Rhode Island family. The younger boy, Dzhokhar, was almost instantly as American as they come: He fell for a blond beauty and won her over. He made the high school wrestling team and was popular and empathic enough to be named captain. He partied hard and studied when he had to. But over the past four years, even as members of their extended family found their piece of the American dream, the Cambridge Tsarnaevs' experience in their new land curdled. Money grew scarce, and the family went on welfare. Zubeidat was accused of stealing from a department store. Anzor's business, never prosperous, faded.

Just a couple of average white American white American kids marrying white american non-immigrant WASPS, wrestling, having empathy and stuff until their experience curdled and money just grew scarce.

The whole piece is an empathy bomb.  And poorly written at that.


Where is the empathy? I just read that and it describes a family that came to this country for opportunity and failed to succeed, there's no pity factor in this story unless you want there to be.

That's why I'm making fun of the people who think this article was written to make us feel bad for them and not to show us what happened to this family before they decided to bomb the Boston Marathon.

I mean it sucks that this family couldn't succeed in America, but that's no justification for what they did.

And I imagine the sane people who read this article would have the same sentiment. The only one who seems to think that it's supposed to have empathy for the Tsarnevs seem to be Conservatives who get over-emotional over everything.
2013-04-28 10:03:57 AM
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Mrtraveler01: Who feels sorry for them? I still can't find that in the article.


FT Other A:

The older one, Tamerlan, was sociable, even showy, dressing sharply, honing his body to become an Olympic boxer. He married an American WASP, daughter of a well-to-do Rhode Island family. The younger boy, Dzhokhar, was almost instantly as American as they come: He fell for a blond beauty and won her over. He made the high school wrestling team and was popular and empathic enough to be named captain. He partied hard and studied when he had to. But over the past four years, even as members of their extended family found their piece of the American dream, the Cambridge Tsarnaevs' experience in their new land curdled. Money grew scarce, and the family went on welfare. Zubeidat was accused of stealing from a department store. Anzor's business, never prosperous, faded.

Just a couple of average white American white American kids marrying white american non-immigrant WASPS, wrestling, having empathy and stuff until their experience curdled and money just grew scarce.

The whole piece is an empathy bomb.  And poorly written at that.
2013-04-28 09:47:21 AM
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maggoo: The newspiece only claims that she might have had a conversation with one of her sons way back in 2011 where jihad may or may not have been mentioned in some point, but it was too vague for them to tell.

Yeah, that's plenty of reason to put her on death row.


Precisely.

We're all discussing jihad in equally specific terms in this thread, so let's send Drew to GTMO.
2013-04-28 09:47:12 AM
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amazing_live_seamonkeys: Mrtraveler01: amazing_live_seamonkeys: Mrtraveler01: amazing_live_seamonkeys: If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x573]

Who exactly is saying that beside the voices in your head?

The Post.  Also, the voices in my head asked me to tell you to stop talking about them.

Yeah...I read the article in The Post and that was NOT the impression I got.

But by reading the comments section below the article, you're not alone in sharing your idiocy.

Free to gather what you will, but hard to feel sorry for a bunch of folks who were given welfare, subsidized housing and opportunities beyond anything they could have had in Russia/Chechnya, then choosing to steal from their fellow citizens, do a bunch of drugs and hate kill innocent people.  Haven't seen that distorted and hypocritical of a worldview since I got a job and stopped hanging out with grad students.


Who feels sorry for them? I still can't find that in the article.
2013-04-28 09:44:59 AM
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Mrtraveler01: amazing_live_seamonkeys: Mrtraveler01: amazing_live_seamonkeys: If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x573]

Who exactly is saying that beside the voices in your head?

The Post.  Also, the voices in my head asked me to tell you to stop talking about them.

Yeah...I read the article in The Post and that was NOT the impression I got.

But by reading the comments section below the article, you're not alone in sharing your idiocy.


Free to gather what you will, but hard to feel sorry for a bunch of folks who were given welfare, subsidized housing and opportunities beyond anything they could have had in Russia/Chechnya, then choosing to steal from their fellow citizens, do a bunch of drugs and hate kill innocent people.  Haven't seen that distorted and hypocritical of a worldview since I got a job and stopped hanging out with grad students.
2013-04-28 09:40:47 AM
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amazing_live_seamonkeys: Mrtraveler01: amazing_live_seamonkeys: If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x573]

Who exactly is saying that beside the voices in your head?

The Post.  Also, the voices in my head asked me to tell you to stop talking about them.


Yeah...I read the article in The Post and that was NOT the impression I got.

But by reading the comments section below the article, you're not alone in sharing your idiocy.
2013-04-28 09:40:30 AM
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LeoffDaGrate: jehovahs witness protection: WOW@all the libs taking her side.
THIS is what's wrong with America.

Wait. I thought you were true to the tenants of the Constitution.  Don't you believe in all that jibbly-jobbly stuff about law and "innocent before proven guilty?  Apparently not.


If he's the typical Conservative, then he believes those rights only belong to white people and no one else.
2013-04-28 09:37:04 AM
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2013-04-28 09:35:54 AM
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amazing_live_seamonkeys: If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x573]


Who exactly is saying that beside the voices in your head?
2013-04-28 09:33:25 AM
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If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

www.washingtonpost.com
2013-04-28 09:29:00 AM
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Not really a lot of info to go on. "Discussing jihad" could be as benign as talking about it in the abstract. Hell, we discuss jihad every day here on Fark. We're obviously monsters, all.

As for her saying that the bombings were fake, yes, it is crazy. But you'd be glad if your own mother believed so well in you.

In short, this woman may or may not be a part of the reason why her sons did what they did. But nothing yet points directly to her involvement as anything other than a mother.
2013-04-28 09:12:48 AM
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jehovahs witness protection: WOW@all the libs taking her side.
THIS is what's wrong with America.


You're right. Everyone needs to be like you...shoot first, ask questions later.

You know, the kind of mentality that landed the U.S. in Iraq for almost a decade.
2013-04-28 09:01:38 AM
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Giltric: So it was an attempt at jihad which means it was Muslim terrorism...right?


Yeah yeah but Eric Rudolph.....jeez you say that after every attempted or successful Muslim attack.....


Yes, but it doesn't mean that all Muslims are terrorists or support terror.

But that doesn't stop the retards from thinking otherwise does it?
2013-04-28 09:00:51 AM
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See Obama knew about it and allowed it to happen
2013-04-28 08:59:53 AM
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jehovahs witness protection: WOW@all the libs taking her side.
THIS is what's wrong with America.


Since you just proved Alternate Universes exist, what will your Nobel Prize speech say?
2013-04-28 08:54:01 AM
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jehovahs witness protection: WOW@all the libs taking her side.
THIS is what's wrong with America.


Wait. I thought you were true to the tenants of the Constitution.  Don't you believe in all that jibbly-jobbly stuff about law and "innocent before proven guilty?  Apparently not.
2013-04-28 08:33:41 AM
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Well of course she was. Look at that thing on her head.
2013-04-28 08:29:02 AM
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I am Ivan's complete lack of surprise.
2013-04-28 08:25:57 AM
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MurphyMurphy: Good, let the Russians deal with her.

Gitmo is too tropical anyways. If you're going to shut someone away for good .. nothing says hopeless despair like Siberia.


Not been to North Dakota, I see.

Okay, it's not exactly Siberia miserable, but it's close. Well... Close-ish.

Oklahoma too. Absolute hell that place. Winters are like a billion below zero, summers are a billion above.
2013-04-28 08:25:42 AM
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dammit- not sure why my comment posted like that.

And isn't that what any of these types of situations come down to? Shiatty parenting?
2013-04-28 08:24:34 AM
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As I said in the past, arrest the parents for aiding terrorists, and sieze all their property and holdings.
2013-04-28 08:23:10 AM
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Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.
2013-04-28 04:02:30 AM
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mr_a: R.A.Danny: I hope she's happy with her one dead son and her other failure in Allah's eyes.

Why do I just get this image of Allah, along with every other supreme deity, shaking his head and wondering where he went wrong with humans.


1.bp.blogspot.com

Unless you go for the "uh oh" one, but I can't find that one. :(
 
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