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2013-04-28 01:55:48 AM  
I saw the fark thread that suggested that he called his coont of a mother while he was killing people.  I'm sure that she is an honest, good person.
 
2013-04-28 02:00:57 AM  
I hope she's happy with her one dead son and her other failure in Allah's eyes.
 
2013-04-28 02:38:00 AM  
Good, let the Russians deal with her.

Gitmo is too tropical anyways. If you're going to shut someone away for good .. nothing says hopeless despair like Siberia.
 
2013-04-28 03:25:13 AM  

R.A.Danny: I hope she's happy with her one dead son and her other failure in Allah's eyes.


Why do I just get this image of Allah, along with every other supreme deity, shaking his head and wondering where he went wrong with humans.
 
2013-04-28 03:39:59 AM  
She herself, is due back in court on a felony for shoplifting over $1600 worth of stuff from Lord And Taylor.
 
2013-04-28 04:02:30 AM  

mr_a: R.A.Danny: I hope she's happy with her one dead son and her other failure in Allah's eyes.

Why do I just get this image of Allah, along with every other supreme deity, shaking his head and wondering where he went wrong with humans.


1.bp.blogspot.com

Unless you go for the "uh oh" one, but I can't find that one. :(
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-28 07:50:37 AM  
it was obvious something wasn't right with her.  Every photo I've seen of her shows her is some outlandish drama queen pose.
 
2013-04-28 08:07:54 AM  

vpb: it was obvious something wasn't right with her.  Every photo I've seen of her shows her is some outlandish drama queen pose.


Hard to believe a gal like that didn't raise more well-adjusted boys, isn't it?  After watching their dad's brother on TV and then seeing her rant and rave, it didn't take me long to figure out which side of the family they got their cray cray genes from.
 
2013-04-28 08:23:10 AM  
Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.
 
2013-04-28 08:23:20 AM  

TommyymmoT: She herself, is due back in court on a felony for shoplifting over $1600 worth of stuff from Lord And Taylor.


So, a pair of socks?
 
2013-04-28 08:23:41 AM  
She got him the red paint?
 
2013-04-28 08:24:34 AM  
As I said in the past, arrest the parents for aiding terrorists, and sieze all their property and holdings.
 
2013-04-28 08:24:39 AM  
vpb: it was obvious something wasn't right with her.  Every photo I've seen of her shows her is some outlandish drama queen pose.

Hard to believe a gal like that didn't raise more well-adjusted boys, isn't it?  After watching their dad's brother on TV and then seeing her rant and rave, it didn't take me long to figure out which side of the family they got their cray cray genes from.And isn't that what any of these types of situations come down to? Shiatty parenting?
 
2013-04-28 08:25:13 AM  
The newspiece only claims that she might have had a conversation with one of her sons way back in 2011 where jihad may or may not have been mentioned in some point, but it was too vague for them to tell.

Yeah, that's plenty of reason to put her on death row.
 
2013-04-28 08:25:42 AM  
dammit- not sure why my comment posted like that.

And isn't that what any of these types of situations come down to? Shiatty parenting?
 
2013-04-28 08:25:57 AM  

MurphyMurphy: Good, let the Russians deal with her.

Gitmo is too tropical anyways. If you're going to shut someone away for good .. nothing says hopeless despair like Siberia.


Not been to North Dakota, I see.

Okay, it's not exactly Siberia miserable, but it's close. Well... Close-ish.

Oklahoma too. Absolute hell that place. Winters are like a billion below zero, summers are a billion above.
 
2013-04-28 08:26:27 AM  
...because CNN have been so trustworthy reporting this matter, so far...
 
2013-04-28 08:27:49 AM  

MurphyMurphy: Good, let the Russians deal with her.

Gitmo is too tropical anyways. If you're going to shut someone away for good .. nothing says hopeless despair like Siberia.


Nah, bring her here. The interviews with Nancy Grace would be epic.
 
2013-04-28 08:28:36 AM  

atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.


"Wow, $MEMBERS_OF_RELIGION lie and plot, who would have thought."

Doesn't sound bigotted at all.
 
2013-04-28 08:29:02 AM  
I am Ivan's complete lack of surprise.
 
2013-04-28 08:31:05 AM  
I think it's likely they had help, and the mom is a decent suspect.  But...

"...may have been one of her sons..."

"...described the conversation as vague."

"This is CNN."
 
2013-04-28 08:31:51 AM  
Boston is Obama's Benghazi
 
2013-04-28 08:32:02 AM  
I assume there's another source rather than Crappy Nooz Network?
 
2013-04-28 08:33:30 AM  
Uh huh. Their family friend Jee'hahd is really getting sick of this crap.
 
2013-04-28 08:33:41 AM  
Well of course she was. Look at that thing on her head.
 
2013-04-28 08:35:44 AM  
Well, she totally convinced me it was red paint, not blood, at the finish line. When I go jogging it's like, running shoes - check, water bottle - check, bucket of red paint - check.
 
2013-04-28 08:37:44 AM  
Talking to my mom on the phone, I've probably said something like, "That 9/11 bombing was terrible."

If I went bananas and became notorious, that would be described "the suspect had discussed terrorism with his mother".
 
2013-04-28 08:39:04 AM  
I suspected both of the parents were nuts. It wasn't out of the question that they were an influence in them doing this. Welcome to the crazy branch of everyone's family. Just that my crazy branch doesn't commit mass murder.
 
2013-04-28 08:39:13 AM  
Discussing does not equal planning.
 
2013-04-28 08:40:05 AM  
Lady, there's no need to be such a drama queen just because you lost your sons, lighten up
 
2013-04-28 08:40:33 AM  
Doesn't jihad just mean any type of personal religious journey? So this could be something non threatening.

Course seeing the mother I'm going to go with wackadoodle bombing jihad.
 
2013-04-28 08:41:09 AM  
Fark headline: "Yeah, the nutty Chechen mom was in on it"...

Article doesn't say that at all. That's not even close to what this story says.

Didn't we learn our lesson about smearing people over this bombing from the armchair detective retards over at Reddit?
 
2013-04-28 08:43:56 AM  

Norad: Fark headline: "Yeah, the nutty Chechen mom was in on it"...

Article doesn't say that at all. That's not even close to what this story says.

Didn't we learn our lesson about smearing people over this bombing from the armchair detective retards over at Reddit?


I think you forget who you're talking to.
 
2013-04-28 08:44:18 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: I suspected both of the parents were nuts. It wasn't out of the question that they were an influence in them doing this. Welcome to the crazy branch of everyone's family. Just that my crazy branch doesn't commit mass murder.


First thing I wondered when this all came out. What kind of sh*t were these kids exposed to on a daily basis while they were growing up? For that matter, what kind of family moves here from some sh*thole like Chechnya, then teaches their kids that OUR nation sucks?

Just stay home, assholes.
 
2013-04-28 08:45:30 AM  
Here's the thing about Islam and jihad.  Yes, many of them disagree with why someone may be waging jihad, but as a Muslim they must accept it as a tenant of Islam and will rarely intervene.   I buy that the majority of Muslims are against violence; I don't buy that he majority of Muslims are against a member of their faith conducting a personal jihad.  This is the danger of Islam, while the majority are peaceful, they support radicals passively on a large scale
 
2013-04-28 08:45:56 AM  

atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.


Just like 2003 again. Invasion of the wrong country would come along soon, if we had a Real Murcan in the White House. Sorry, patriot. Maybe next time. Then American mothers could cheer on their sons as they kill people entirely unconnected with an attack on their home. The circle of death.
 
2013-04-28 08:46:01 AM  
Chechnya? After listening to the mother, more like Kvetchnya -- amiright?
 
2013-04-28 08:47:40 AM  
WOW@all the libs taking her side.
THIS is what's wrong with America.
 
2013-04-28 08:49:56 AM  

Gdalescrboz: Here's the thing about Christianity and crusades.  Yes, many of them disagree with why someone may be waging crusade, but as a Christian they must accept it as a tenant of Christianity and will rarely intervene.   I buy that the majority of Atheists are against violence; I don't buy that he majority of Christians are against a member of their faith conducting a personal crusade  This is the danger of Christianity, while the majority are peaceful, they support radicals passively on a large scale

 
2013-04-28 08:52:06 AM  
so you want me to believe a word the Russian government says about a Chechen?

next you'll be asking me to believe the Israelis about a Palestinian.
 
2013-04-28 08:52:22 AM  

atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.


The majority of Muslims I've met are far better human beings than you'll ever be.

These idiots are scum.
 
2013-04-28 08:53:05 AM  
patsy
 
2013-04-28 08:53:32 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: MurphyMurphy: Good, let the Russians deal with her.

Gitmo is too tropical anyways. If you're going to shut someone away for good .. nothing says hopeless despair like Siberia.

Nah, bring her here. The interviews with Nancy Grace would be epic.


Haven't we suffered enough?
 
2013-04-28 08:54:01 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: WOW@all the libs taking her side.
THIS is what's wrong with America.


Wait. I thought you were true to the tenants of the Constitution.  Don't you believe in all that jibbly-jobbly stuff about law and "innocent before proven guilty?  Apparently not.
 
2013-04-28 08:58:20 AM  
When do we start the liberation of Chechnya? Will there be cake and ice cream when we are done?
 
2013-04-28 08:59:27 AM  
The conservatives tend to go with the evens, while the libs prefer the odd amendments.
 
2013-04-28 08:59:53 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: WOW@all the libs taking her side.
THIS is what's wrong with America.


Since you just proved Alternate Universes exist, what will your Nobel Prize speech say?
 
2013-04-28 09:00:43 AM  
So it was an attempt at jihad which means it was Muslim terrorism...right?


Yeah yeah but Eric Rudolph.....jeez you say that after every attempted or successful Muslim attack.....
 
2013-04-28 09:00:51 AM  
See Obama knew about it and allowed it to happen
 
2013-04-28 09:01:02 AM  
Yea, CNN no thank you. Let's not go which hunting.
 
2013-04-28 09:01:38 AM  

Giltric: So it was an attempt at jihad which means it was Muslim terrorism...right?


Yeah yeah but Eric Rudolph.....jeez you say that after every attempted or successful Muslim attack.....


Yes, but it doesn't mean that all Muslims are terrorists or support terror.

But that doesn't stop the retards from thinking otherwise does it?
 
2013-04-28 09:01:48 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: WOW@all the libs taking her side.
THIS is what's wrong with America.


Which thread are you reading?
 
2013-04-28 09:02:48 AM  
assets.nydailynews.com

"You tell kids that not everyone wants multiple piercings, but do they listen? Whaddaya gonna do?"

"I told them to place it higher. I wanted their heads to go like this."

/window seat, please
 
2013-04-28 09:03:15 AM  

maggoo: atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.

"Wow, $MEMBERS_OF_RELIGION lie and plot, who would have thought."

Doesn't sound bigotted at all.


I see you haven't read his posts/thoughts about Muslims before.

He basically compares them to Nazis in a way that only makes sense in his imagination.

I just point and laugh at him.
 
2013-04-28 09:04:37 AM  

maggoo: The newspiece only claims that she might have had a conversation with one of her sons way back in 2011 where jihad may or may not have been mentioned in some point, but it was too vague for them to tell.

Yeah, that's plenty of reason to put her on death row.


Hey libtard! This is a kneejerk lynch mob and you're either for us or against us. If you're going to start doing stuff like thinking and get your panties in a bunch over bullshiat like justice and the presumption of innocence then maybe you should go hang out in the male lingerie thread.

You sicken me.
 
2013-04-28 09:10:42 AM  

Gdalescrboz: Here's the thing about Islam and jihad.  Yes, many of them disagree with why someone may be waging jihad, but as a Muslim they must accept it as a tenant of Islam and will rarely intervene.   I buy that the majority of Muslims are against violence; I don't buy that he majority of Muslims are against a member of their faith conducting a personal jihad.  This is the danger of Islam, while the majority are peaceful, they support radicals passively on a large scale


Jihad is NOT one of the "Five Pillars of Islam", the universal non-negotiable parts of the faith.  While common, jihad is only considered utterly essential to Twelver-Shi'a Islam.  Some Sunni scholars have tried to get it accepted as a sixth Pillar, but they are most certainly NOT a majority.

However, among other Sunni, and most Shi'a, the idea that "jihad" means armed conflict with those who are not Muslim is NOT a tenet of the faith.

In far more common, moderate, Islam, "jihad" (which literally means "struggle") is not a "holy war", but instead the effort to fight for virtue and holiness in the world.  That can be a fight for social justice, or to eloquently persuade people through speech and writing to live a more honorable and virtuous fight, or to engage in honorable military service in defense of your nation, or to serve as a police officer and fight crime, or a personal struggle to overcome temptation and base urges to live a virtuous and holy lifestyle.  The idea that it means blowing up infidels is NOT the standard definition or practice of Islam.
 
2013-04-28 09:12:48 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: WOW@all the libs taking her side.
THIS is what's wrong with America.


You're right. Everyone needs to be like you...shoot first, ask questions later.

You know, the kind of mentality that landed the U.S. in Iraq for almost a decade.
 
2013-04-28 09:17:34 AM  
That's not what the article actually said, Subby.

And at this point, while everyone else in the family is done with the media and avoiding it like the plague, mom is grabbing her fifteen minutes of fame, even if it is infamy, and milking it like an Oklahoma dairy hand. Ten bucks says she going to get a book deal out of this. And a 60 minutes interview in a few weeks. Twenty bucks says that if we come back to her in five years time, I bet she will have dropped the whole "devote Muslim" routine and will be back to her old self and she will be coming about with another book telling how wrong she was about the first book. There's just something of a con artist about her.

I've said it once and I'll say it again, this bombing wasn't about defending Islam, it was about being a psychopath attention whore. There was no agenda outside of blowing stuff up because the brothers had a chip on their shoulder.

/this family is as Muslim as the WBC is as Christian
 
2013-04-28 09:18:08 AM  

atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.


You in no way sound paranoid and unbalanced by saying something that blanketed. Nope. Not at all.

Of course, you're the guy who, in the past, has championed Arab Genocide on the virtue of them being Arab, so why would this be unexpected.
 
2013-04-28 09:19:26 AM  

atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.


I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
Should ever be forgot...

/has nothing to do with this
//the brain is kinda squishy this morning
 
2013-04-28 09:21:31 AM  

Norad: You're right. Everyone needs to be like you...shoot first, ask questions later.

You know, the kind of mentality that landed the U.S. in Iraq for almost a decade.


QUIET YOU.  Jehovas Witness Protection does not need your unamerican critical thinking! He demands someone to blame!

You question his line of thinking, you're a terrorist too!
 
2013-04-28 09:23:04 AM  
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Screw you, filthy liters! I've arrived!!!

*fart*
jk
 
2013-04-28 09:23:05 AM  

Lehk: so you want me to believe a word the Russian government says about a Chechen?

next you'll be asking me to believe the Israelis about a Palestinian.


Good point.
 
2013-04-28 09:24:53 AM  

Norad: Fark headline: "Yeah, the nutty Chechen mom was in on it"...

Article doesn't say that at all. That's not even close to what this story says.

Didn't we learn our lesson about smearing people over this bombing from the armchair detective retards over at Reddit?


You rag on reddit but it was official news stations that incorrectly pointed to the wrong person in the new town shooting which ruined the kids life. ( has he files a lawsuit yet?)
 
2013-04-28 09:25:51 AM  

hardinparamedic: Norad: You're right. Everyone needs to be like you...shoot first, ask questions later.

You know, the kind of mentality that landed the U.S. in Iraq for almost a decade.

QUIET YOU.  Jehovas Witness Protection does not need your unamerican critical thinking! He demands someone to blame!

You question his line of thinking, you're a terrorist too!


Critical thinking is for pussies!
 
2013-04-28 09:29:00 AM  
Not really a lot of info to go on. "Discussing jihad" could be as benign as talking about it in the abstract. Hell, we discuss jihad every day here on Fark. We're obviously monsters, all.

As for her saying that the bombings were fake, yes, it is crazy. But you'd be glad if your own mother believed so well in you.

In short, this woman may or may not be a part of the reason why her sons did what they did. But nothing yet points directly to her involvement as anything other than a mother.
 
2013-04-28 09:30:43 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org
Can't wait till the house lands on the biatch.
 
2013-04-28 09:32:59 AM  

jaytkay: Talking to my mom on the phone, I've probably said something like, "That 9/11 bombing was terrible."

If I went bananas and became notorious, that would be described "the suspect had discussed terrorism with his mother".


They have you for discussing terrorism on an internet forum now!

/And me too
//Runs away
 
2013-04-28 09:33:11 AM  

Gdalescrboz: they must accept it as a tenant of Islam


That's a strict landlord!
 
2013-04-28 09:33:25 AM  
If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

www.washingtonpost.com
 
2013-04-28 09:35:48 AM  
I still want to know more about this mysterious "Misha" person. There's a serious "Homeland" vibe about him.
 
2013-04-28 09:35:54 AM  

amazing_live_seamonkeys: If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x573]


Who exactly is saying that beside the voices in your head?
 
2013-04-28 09:37:04 AM  
 
2013-04-28 09:37:32 AM  

Mrtraveler01: amazing_live_seamonkeys: If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x573]

Who exactly is saying that beside the voices in your head?


The Post.  Also, the voices in my head asked me to tell you to stop talking about them.
 
2013-04-28 09:37:33 AM  

amazing_live_seamonkeys: If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x573]


it must be weird having Robert Smith as your mom.
 
2013-04-28 09:38:54 AM  
FTFA: This source described the conversation as vague.

I hope none of you mentioned that you blew your nose over the phone.

Cause you know that blowing your nose is the same as blowing up a IED.
 
2013-04-28 09:39:33 AM  

Dr.Zom: amazing_live_seamonkeys: If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x573]

it must be weird having Robert Smith as your mom.


And Cliff Clavin as your granddad.
 
2013-04-28 09:40:30 AM  

LeoffDaGrate: jehovahs witness protection: WOW@all the libs taking her side.
THIS is what's wrong with America.

Wait. I thought you were true to the tenants of the Constitution.  Don't you believe in all that jibbly-jobbly stuff about law and "innocent before proven guilty?  Apparently not.


If he's the typical Conservative, then he believes those rights only belong to white people and no one else.
 
2013-04-28 09:40:47 AM  

amazing_live_seamonkeys: Mrtraveler01: amazing_live_seamonkeys: If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x573]

Who exactly is saying that beside the voices in your head?

The Post.  Also, the voices in my head asked me to tell you to stop talking about them.


Yeah...I read the article in The Post and that was NOT the impression I got.

But by reading the comments section below the article, you're not alone in sharing your idiocy.
 
2013-04-28 09:43:47 AM  

Dr.Zom: it must be weird having Robert Smith as your mom.


Or Robert DeNiro as your dad.
 
2013-04-28 09:43:48 AM  

Gdalescrboz: Here's the thing about Islam and jihad.  Yes, many of them disagree with why someone may be waging jihad, but as a Muslim they must accept it as a tenant of Islam and will rarely intervene.   I buy that the majority of Muslims are against violence; I don't buy that he majority of Muslims are against a member of their faith conducting a personal jihad.  This is the danger of Islam, while the majority are peaceful, they support radicals passively on a large scale


Educated, orthodox Muslims consider violent jihad as espoused by many Salafi clerics to be a heresy, in much the same way that most Christians are against anti-abortion clinic bombers. Jihad means "struggle," and most interpret that to mean a personal struggle to live up to the five pillars of Islam.

But abortion nuts don't have the entire Saudi aristocracy and all its oil money backing their heresy, so you have a lot more violent heretics in the Muslim world than in 'Murica.
 
2013-04-28 09:44:59 AM  

Mrtraveler01: amazing_live_seamonkeys: Mrtraveler01: amazing_live_seamonkeys: If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x573]

Who exactly is saying that beside the voices in your head?

The Post.  Also, the voices in my head asked me to tell you to stop talking about them.

Yeah...I read the article in The Post and that was NOT the impression I got.

But by reading the comments section below the article, you're not alone in sharing your idiocy.


Free to gather what you will, but hard to feel sorry for a bunch of folks who were given welfare, subsidized housing and opportunities beyond anything they could have had in Russia/Chechnya, then choosing to steal from their fellow citizens, do a bunch of drugs and hate kill innocent people.  Haven't seen that distorted and hypocritical of a worldview since I got a job and stopped hanging out with grad students.
 
2013-04-28 09:46:09 AM  

markfara: PC LOAD LETTER: I suspected both of the parents were nuts. It wasn't out of the question that they were an influence in them doing this. Welcome to the crazy branch of everyone's family. Just that my crazy branch doesn't commit mass murder.

First thing I wondered when this all came out. What kind of sh*t were these kids exposed to on a daily basis while they were growing up? For that matter, what kind of family moves here from some sh*thole like Chechnya, then teaches their kids that OUR nation sucks?

Just stay home, assholes.


They weren't handed a luxurious lifestyle at the taxpayer's expense. They should have fled to Europe.
 
2013-04-28 09:47:12 AM  

amazing_live_seamonkeys: Mrtraveler01: amazing_live_seamonkeys: Mrtraveler01: amazing_live_seamonkeys: If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x573]

Who exactly is saying that beside the voices in your head?

The Post.  Also, the voices in my head asked me to tell you to stop talking about them.

Yeah...I read the article in The Post and that was NOT the impression I got.

But by reading the comments section below the article, you're not alone in sharing your idiocy.

Free to gather what you will, but hard to feel sorry for a bunch of folks who were given welfare, subsidized housing and opportunities beyond anything they could have had in Russia/Chechnya, then choosing to steal from their fellow citizens, do a bunch of drugs and hate kill innocent people.  Haven't seen that distorted and hypocritical of a worldview since I got a job and stopped hanging out with grad students.


Who feels sorry for them? I still can't find that in the article.
 
2013-04-28 09:47:21 AM  

maggoo: The newspiece only claims that she might have had a conversation with one of her sons way back in 2011 where jihad may or may not have been mentioned in some point, but it was too vague for them to tell.

Yeah, that's plenty of reason to put her on death row.


Precisely.

We're all discussing jihad in equally specific terms in this thread, so let's send Drew to GTMO.
 
2013-04-28 09:48:28 AM  

atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.


Yep.  Every man (and woman) jack of them.
 
2013-04-28 09:49:47 AM  

mbillips: But abortion nuts don't have the entire Saudi aristocracy and all its oil money backing their heresy, so you have a lot more violent heretics in the Muslim world than in 'Murica.


That must be why Saudi Arabia booted out Osama bin Laden, whose money came from the family construction business? Or are you attempting to make some point that I'm missing?
 
2013-04-28 09:50:11 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.

Yep.  Every man (and woman) jack of them.


Giggity
 
2013-04-28 09:53:30 AM  

Gdalescrboz: they must accept it as a tenant of Islam


LeoffDaGrate: I thought you were true to the tenants of the Constitution.


TENETS, goddammit, TENETS!

/i'm fighting a losing battle, aren't i
 
2013-04-28 09:54:51 AM  

mr_a: Why do I just get this image of Allah, along with every other supreme deity, shaking his head and wondering where he went wrong with humans.


It's that free will thing. Some humans use it correctly, others. not so much....
 
2013-04-28 09:55:22 AM  

here to help: jehovahs witness protection: WOW@all the libs taking her side.
THIS is what's wrong with America.

Which thread are you reading?


The same one as you and me, however with many of the more hard core Conservatives, anyone who doesn't advocate killing all Muslims is a Liberal taking the side of the terrorists.
 
2013-04-28 10:01:18 AM  

AndreMA: mbillips: But abortion nuts don't have the entire Saudi aristocracy and all its oil money backing their heresy, so you have a lot more violent heretics in the Muslim world than in 'Murica.

That must be why Saudi Arabia booted out Osama bin Laden, whose money came from the family construction business? Or are you attempting to make some point that I'm missing?


I think he's making the point that Saudi Arabia is more involved with terrorists than the government would have you believe, which I actually agree with.  Most of the guys involved with 9/11 came from Saudi
Arabia.
 
2013-04-28 10:03:57 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Who feels sorry for them? I still can't find that in the article.


FT Other A:

The older one, Tamerlan, was sociable, even showy, dressing sharply, honing his body to become an Olympic boxer. He married an American WASP, daughter of a well-to-do Rhode Island family. The younger boy, Dzhokhar, was almost instantly as American as they come: He fell for a blond beauty and won her over. He made the high school wrestling team and was popular and empathic enough to be named captain. He partied hard and studied when he had to. But over the past four years, even as members of their extended family found their piece of the American dream, the Cambridge Tsarnaevs' experience in their new land curdled. Money grew scarce, and the family went on welfare. Zubeidat was accused of stealing from a department store. Anzor's business, never prosperous, faded.

Just a couple of average white American white American kids marrying white american non-immigrant WASPS, wrestling, having empathy and stuff until their experience curdled and money just grew scarce.

The whole piece is an empathy bomb.  And poorly written at that.
 
2013-04-28 10:04:15 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-28 10:05:09 AM  
Not to ruin the narrative or anything, but THEY'RE NOT FROM CHECHNYA. They're from Dagestan.

Notice how the media calls them "ethnically Chechen"? Can you imagine the firestorm if they did that with some other ethnicity, perhaps with a different skin color? They've also described Chechnya as "their ancestral homeland."

"North Korean bombers! What? They immigrated from South Korea 10 years ago, and one's an American citizen? OK, but they're ethnically North Korean."

"Israeli bombers! What, they're from Jordan? But they're Palestinian, so Israel is their ancestral homeland."

"OK, sure, he was born in the U.S., but he's ethnically Kenyan."

Also, for Chechen separatists to attack us would be like the Confederacy attacking Russia. It makes no sense at all. Even the extremist, terrorist, Islamic fundamentalists there disclaim responsibility for Boston. As they said, "our enemy is Russia." Why didn't the older one stay there for that fight, rather than blow up a foot race on the far side of the world?

Oh, wait, they now say the brothers had no connection to foreign groups. So it had nothing to do with the place they never lived. Go figure.

/geography nazi
 
2013-04-28 10:10:46 AM  

Norad: Fark headline: "Yeah, the nutty Chechen mom was in on it"...

Article doesn't say that at all. That's not even close to what this story says.

Didn't we learn our lesson about smearing people over this bombing from the armchair detective retards over at Reddit?


Agreed.  It's one thing to have a misleading headline.  It's completely another to falsely accuse someone of a crime.
 
2013-04-28 10:13:39 AM  
Ma Barker in a headscarf.
 
2013-04-28 10:16:57 AM  
assets.nydailynews.com
"and then  I say NO, Motorboat goes like THIS"
 
2013-04-28 10:17:16 AM  
I'm not sure if anyone here knows, but what happened to their sisters? No one is mentioning them other than in that old photo of the two brothers with the two sisters.
 
2013-04-28 10:17:43 AM  

Silverstaff: Gdalescrboz: Here's the thing about Islam and jihad.  Yes, many of them disagree with why someone may be waging jihad, but as a Muslim they must accept it as a tenant of Islam and will rarely intervene.   I buy that the majority of Muslims are against violence; I don't buy that he majority of Muslims are against a member of their faith conducting a personal jihad.  This is the danger of Islam, while the majority are peaceful, they support radicals passively on a large scale

Jihad is NOT one of the "Five Pillars of Islam", the universal non-negotiable parts of the faith.  While common, jihad is only considered utterly essential to Twelver-Shi'a Islam.  Some Sunni scholars have tried to get it accepted as a sixth Pillar, but they are most certainly NOT a majority.

However, among other Sunni, and most Shi'a, the idea that "jihad" means armed conflict with those who are not Muslim is NOT a tenet of the faith.

In far more common, moderate, Islam, "jihad" (which literally means "struggle") is not a "holy war", but instead the effort to fight for virtue and holiness in the world.  That can be a fight for social justice, or to eloquently persuade people through speech and writing to live a more honorable and virtuous fight, or to engage in honorable military service in defense of your nation, or to serve as a police officer and fight crime, or a personal struggle to overcome temptation and base urges to live a virtuous and holy lifestyle.  The idea that it means blowing up infidels is NOT the standard definition or practice of Islam.


This!!!
 
2013-04-28 10:17:55 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Yea, CNN no thank you. Let's not go which hunting.


wrong season?


www.magicnook.com
 
2013-04-28 10:18:50 AM  

Bedstead Polisher: I'm not sure if anyone here knows, but what happened to their sisters? No one is mentioning them other than in that old photo of the two brothers with the two sisters.


We don't talk about that. It was.....sinister.
 
2013-04-28 10:21:45 AM  

amazing_live_seamonkeys: Mrtraveler01: Who feels sorry for them? I still can't find that in the article.

FT Other A:

The older one, Tamerlan, was sociable, even showy, dressing sharply, honing his body to become an Olympic boxer. He married an American WASP, daughter of a well-to-do Rhode Island family. The younger boy, Dzhokhar, was almost instantly as American as they come: He fell for a blond beauty and won her over. He made the high school wrestling team and was popular and empathic enough to be named captain. He partied hard and studied when he had to. But over the past four years, even as members of their extended family found their piece of the American dream, the Cambridge Tsarnaevs' experience in their new land curdled. Money grew scarce, and the family went on welfare. Zubeidat was accused of stealing from a department store. Anzor's business, never prosperous, faded.

Just a couple of average white American white American kids marrying white american non-immigrant WASPS, wrestling, having empathy and stuff until their experience curdled and money just grew scarce.

The whole piece is an empathy bomb.  And poorly written at that.


Where is the empathy? I just read that and it describes a family that came to this country for opportunity and failed to succeed, there's no pity factor in this story unless you want there to be.

That's why I'm making fun of the people who think this article was written to make us feel bad for them and not to show us what happened to this family before they decided to bomb the Boston Marathon.

I mean it sucks that this family couldn't succeed in America, but that's no justification for what they did.

And I imagine the sane people who read this article would have the same sentiment. The only one who seems to think that it's supposed to have empathy for the Tsarnevs seem to be Conservatives who get over-emotional over everything.
 
2013-04-28 10:23:08 AM  
What's the over/under on how many cats she has?
 
2013-04-28 10:23:09 AM  

Gdalescrboz: Here's the thing about Islam and jihad.  Yes, many of them disagree with why someone may be waging jihad, but as a Muslim they must accept it as a tenant of Islam and will rarely intervene.   I buy that the majority of Muslims are against violence; I don't buy that he majority of Muslims are against a member of their faith conducting a personal jihad.  This is the danger of Islam, while the majority are peaceful, they support radicals passively on a large scale


I don't buy that Muslims are any more likely to accept such personal radicalization in the name of "jihad" any more than Christians are widespread in acceptance of personal "crusades". Both faiths have a word for religiously motivated warfare but to neither rely on it any more than another as a "tenet" of their beliefs.
 
2013-04-28 10:23:20 AM  

Bedstead Polisher: I'm not sure if anyone here knows, but what happened to their sisters? No one is mentioning them other than in that old photo of the two brothers with the two sisters.


They both got married and moved away (both of them are in NJ now I think) and have basically disowned their parents.

They've tried to keep a low profile even when the New York media was hounding them.
 
2013-04-28 10:26:31 AM  

amazing_live_seamonkeys: Mrtraveler01: Who feels sorry for them? I still can't find that in the article.

FT Other A:

The older one, Tamerlan, was sociable, even showy, dressing sharply, honing his body to become an Olympic boxer. He married an American WASP, daughter of a well-to-do Rhode Island family. The younger boy, Dzhokhar, was almost instantly as American as they come: He fell for a blond beauty and won her over. He made the high school wrestling team and was popular and empathic enough to be named captain. He partied hard and studied when he had to. But over the past four years, even as members of their extended family found their piece of the American dream, the Cambridge Tsarnaevs' experience in their new land curdled. Money grew scarce, and the family went on welfare. Zubeidat was accused of stealing from a department store. Anzor's business, never prosperous, faded.

Just a couple of average white American white American kids marrying white american non-immigrant WASPS, wrestling, having empathy and stuff until their experience curdled and money just grew scarce.

The whole piece is an empathy bomb.  And poorly written at that.


The empathy bombs were the ones the police found and disarmed before they could detonate.  Otherwise more people would be crying.

/too soon?
 
2013-04-28 10:29:45 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: WOW@all the libs taking her side.
THIS is what's wrong with America.


Yeah, that whole presumption of innocence thing is just horrible...
 
2013-04-28 10:30:06 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Bedstead Polisher: I'm not sure if anyone here knows, but what happened to their sisters? No one is mentioning them other than in that old photo of the two brothers with the two sisters.

They both got married and moved away (both of them are in NJ now I think) and have basically disowned their parents.

They've tried to keep a low profile even when the New York media was hounding them.


Ok. It's starting to bother me that Tamerlan's body is still unclaimed. It just seems like unfinished business.
/don't know why I care, but there it is.
 
2013-04-28 10:31:36 AM  

Bedstead Polisher: Ok. It's starting to bother me that Tamerlan's body is still unclaimed. It just seems like unfinished business.
/don't know why I care, but there it is.


What do you expect them to do with it?
 
2013-04-28 10:34:13 AM  
mr_a:

Why do I just get this image of Allah, along with every other supreme deity, shaking his head and wondering where he went wrong with humans.

I don't know, considering all deities are man made.
 
2013-04-28 10:34:19 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: MurphyMurphy: Good, let the Russians deal with her.

Gitmo is too tropical anyways. If you're going to shut someone away for good .. nothing says hopeless despair like Siberia.

Nah, bring her here. The interviews with Nancy Grace would be epic.


Nancy Grace could make me take Satan's side.
 
2013-04-28 10:35:07 AM  
"Attorney General Holder also responded to criticism that the surviving suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was read his Miranda rights not to be questions without a lawyer. "

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-28 10:35:43 AM  

Alonjar: Bedstead Polisher: Ok. It's starting to bother me that Tamerlan's body is still unclaimed. It just seems like unfinished business.
/don't know why I care, but there it is.

What do you expect them to do with it?


I don't know, cremate it and send it to the parents? Most articles about the Tsarnaevs mention how the mom would come get her son but can't because of her shoplifting charge and how the dad wants to come but also can't. Just deal with it already.
 
2013-04-28 10:36:30 AM  

Alonjar: Bedstead Polisher: Ok. It's starting to bother me that Tamerlan's body is still unclaimed. It just seems like unfinished business.
/don't know why I care, but there it is.

What do you expect them to do with it?


Sautee it and have it with some fava beans and a nice Chianti...
 
2013-04-28 10:39:21 AM  
By now, I'm sure we all know the story of why "Mama" can't set foot on American soil to claim the rotting corpse of her eldest son. Nice lady. However, I'm still unsuccessful in my attempts to find out what "medical reasons" suddenly manifested themselves to prevent dear old "Dad" from coming here as well. Could it be that these poor, bereft, downtrodden refugees aren't quite what they present themselves to be?

I am not advocating Gitmo for them or whatever, innocent until proven guilty and all that, but these people are scumbags, to say the least. It's really beginning to piss me off that media outlets in this country continue to feel it necessary to provide them with screen time to further promote their lies and accusations. Enough already.
 
2013-04-28 10:43:59 AM  

Bedstead Polisher: I'm not sure if anyone here knows, but what happened to their sisters? No one is mentioning them other than in that old photo of the two brothers with the two sisters.


Read the article Mrtraveler01 posted. According to the article, one sister is in jail for selling pot and the other is estranged from her family. (I wonder if she realized just how farked her family was and wanted to be as far away from them as possible for her own sake.)

Mrtraveler01: This was in today's Washington Post and I found it to be a fascinating read:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/feature/wp/2013/04/27/the-tsarnaev- fa mily-a-faded-portrait-of-an-immigrants-american-dream/?hpid=z1

 
2013-04-28 10:44:31 AM  
The woods are lovely, dark and deep
But I have promises to keep
And miles to go before I sleep
And miles to go before I sleep
i43.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-28 10:45:22 AM  
Jihad by shoplifting, what a loser.
 
2013-04-28 10:46:06 AM  

Desmo: The woods are lovely, dark and deep
But I have promises to keep
And miles to go before I sleep
And miles to go before I sleep

i43.photobucket.com
Hijab on or not, this woman just radiates with the cray-cray.
 
2013-04-28 10:46:41 AM  

jaytkay: Boston is Obama's Benghazi


No. Boston is Benghazi's Obama!
 
2013-04-28 10:49:59 AM  
sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-04-28 10:52:17 AM  

mekki: Bedstead Polisher: I'm not sure if anyone here knows, but what happened to their sisters? No one is mentioning them other than in that old photo of the two brothers with the two sisters.

Read the article Mrtraveler01 posted. According to the article, one sister is in jail for selling pot and the other is estranged from her family. (I wonder if she realized just how farked her family was and wanted to be as far away from them as possible for her own sake.)

Mrtraveler01: This was in today's Washington Post and I found it to be a fascinating read:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/feature/wp/2013/04/27/the-tsarnaev- fa mily-a-faded-portrait-of-an-immigrants-american-dream/?hpid=z1


Yes, but apparently I didn't know that this article was supposed to make me feel sorry for this trainwreck of a family. If someone on Fark hadn't mentioned that to me. I would've never known.
 
2013-04-28 10:55:46 AM  
I'm sure she was just encouraging her boys in their path of inner philosophical struggle, because if you weren't such an uneducated teabagger, you'd know that's what jihad means. Oh, and Christianity is exactly and equally as bad in every way. Have I covered all the FarkLib™   bases here?
 
2013-04-28 10:58:27 AM  

mekki: Read the article Mrtraveler01 posted. According to the article, one sister is in jail for selling pot and the other is estranged from her family. (I wonder if she realized just how farked her family was and wanted to be as far away from them as possible for her own sake.)


I clicked it then ctrl+F for "sister" but didn't get any results other than the photo caption. Then I posted my question here.
 
2013-04-28 10:59:24 AM  

atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.


7/10
 
2013-04-28 10:59:26 AM  

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: I'm sure she was just encouraging her boys in their path of inner philosophical struggle, because if you weren't such an uneducated teabagger, you'd know that's what jihad means. Oh, and Christianity is exactly and equally as bad in every way. Have I covered all the FarkLib™   bases here?


I know you were trying to be snarky but you're actually not far off from the truth.

Jihad doesn't necessarily mean violence. And yes, apparently uneducated Tea Partiers don't know that.

Thank you for your contribution.
 
2013-04-28 11:01:09 AM  
assets.nydailynews.com

anna da tie fighter flies inna like dis, "ppppsssssshhhh"
 
2013-04-28 11:01:46 AM  

Bedstead Polisher: mekki: Read the article Mrtraveler01 posted. According to the article, one sister is in jail for selling pot and the other is estranged from her family. (I wonder if she realized just how farked her family was and wanted to be as far away from them as possible for her own sake.)

I clicked it then ctrl+F for "sister" but didn't get any results other than the photo caption. Then I posted my question here.


No worries. Let me help.

The couple's two daughters, Bella and Ailina, moved to New Jersey, where Bella was arrested in December, along with a man named Ahmad Khalil, and charged with possession of and intent to distribute marijuana. A man who answered the intercom at Bella's apartment said she had moved out several months ago. From behind the door of her apartment in West New York, Ailina, 22, told reporters that she had been out of touch with her family.

They weren't referred to as sisters to the terrorists in the article.
 
2013-04-28 11:02:01 AM  

Mrtraveler01: mekki: Bedstead Polisher: I'm not sure if anyone here knows, but what happened to their sisters? No one is mentioning them other than in that old photo of the two brothers with the two sisters.

Read the article Mrtraveler01 posted. According to the article, one sister is in jail for selling pot and the other is estranged from her family. (I wonder if she realized just how farked her family was and wanted to be as far away from them as possible for her own sake.)

Mrtraveler01: This was in today's Washington Post and I found it to be a fascinating read:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/feature/wp/2013/04/27/the-tsarnaev- fa mily-a-faded-portrait-of-an-immigrants-american-dream/?hpid=z1

Yes, but apparently I didn't know that this article was supposed to make me feel sorry for this trainwreck of a family. If someone on Fark hadn't mentioned that to me. I would've never known.


I don't feel sorry for the family after having read that. Instead, it confirmed what I already thought, that this bombing had little to do with Islam and more to do with the individuals who were a Ferris wheel short of being carnies and thought the world owed them something just for existing. And since the world didn't give them all they thought they should deserve, well, BOOM.

If it hadn't been Islam, the excuse would have been something different and the end result would have been the same.

I wish the best for the estranged sister because having born with those genes, she is going to need it.
 
2013-04-28 11:03:38 AM  

R.A.Danny: I hope she's happy with her one dead son and her other failure in Allah's eyes.


You don't get to speak for god.
 
2013-04-28 11:03:53 AM  
She's in America? Time to put her on a no-flight list and investigate the shiat out of her. If she knew anything beforehand, try her and send her to jail for a few decades.
 
2013-04-28 11:05:09 AM  

Mrtraveler01: The First Four Katy Perry Albums: I'm sure she was just encouraging her boys in their path of inner philosophical struggle, because if you weren't such an uneducated teabagger, you'd know that's what jihad means. Oh, and Christianity is exactly and equally as bad in every way. Have I covered all the FarkLib™   bases here?

I know you were trying to be snarky but you're actually not far off from the truth.

Jihad doesn't necessarily mean violence. And yes, apparently uneducated Tea Partiers don't know that.

Thank you for your contribution.


Everyone knows the first four Katy Perry albums will stand the test of time. Also, jihad.
 
2013-04-28 11:06:03 AM  

mekki: I wish the best for the estranged sister because having born with those genes, she is going to need it.


William Patrick Stuart-Houston knows that feel.

davidfeldmanshow.com
 
2013-04-28 11:06:36 AM  

mekki: I don't feel sorry for the family after having read that. Instead, it confirmed what I already thought, that this bombing had little to do with Islam and more to do with the individuals who were a Ferris wheel short of being carnies and thought the world owed them something just for existing. And since the world didn't give them all they thought they should deserve, well, BOOM.

If it hadn't been Islam, the excuse would have been something different and the end result would have been the same.


Me either.

It just shows that the theory that a screwed up family like this can be prime targets for recruitment by folks like violent Islamic radicals.

But if you read the comment section of the article, you'll see everyone complaining that the article is sympathetic to the family. The fact that the people who are complaining are Conservatives must be a coincidence.
 
2013-04-28 11:06:42 AM  
As raw as my nerves are about this, I'm not gonna jump to conclusions from a vague article about a vague conversation. "Jihad" has a broader meaning than we westerners ascribe to it. We assume the only meaning is malicious and violent. Jihad literally means struggle in the service of God. Which can mean many things, such as to better oneself through inner spirituality.

Compare "crusade" and what muslims assume it means when Westerners use it. Westerners often use it to mean a renewed effort or a collective effort toward a specific goal. Muslims hear "religious war against non-Christians in the Holy Land".
 
2013-04-28 11:08:38 AM  
Everyone in this thread has now had a vague conversation about "jihad".

media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-28 11:11:52 AM  

StopLurkListen: As raw as my nerves are about this, I'm not gonna jump to conclusions from a vague article about a vague conversation. "Jihad" has a broader meaning than we westerners ascribe to it. We assume the only meaning is malicious and violent. Jihad literally means struggle in the service of God. Which can mean many things, such as to better oneself through inner spirituality.

Compare "crusade" and what muslims assume it means when Westerners use it. Westerners often use it to mean a renewed effort or a collective effort toward a specific goal. Muslims hear "religious war against non-Christians in the Holy Land".


What if I go on a jihad crusade? Jk, really salient point.
 
2013-04-28 11:13:32 AM  

amazing_live_seamonkeys: If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x573]


Holy shiat, it's Travis Bickle!
 
2013-04-28 11:13:32 AM  

amazing_live_seamonkeys: If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x573]


Why do I see Roman Polanski, Amy Winehouse and Edward James Olmos?
 
2013-04-28 11:13:49 AM  
I wish I had the talent to look at a picture and tell by the way the a person is sitting or looking that a person is a drama queen, crazy, and/or a terrorist.

"There is nothing more exhilarating than pointing out the (imagined) shortcomings of others, is there?"
viewaskew.com
 
2013-04-28 11:14:14 AM  

Mrtraveler01: They weren't referred to as sisters to the terrorists in the article.


Thanks. I went back and read most of it. I thought MY family was screwed up, sheeshia
the older brother also sounds like he was severely depressed and perhaps turned to religion to find answers. The whole family sounds as though they don't think rules apply to them, so they do what they want. Best of luck to that one estranged sister.
 
2013-04-28 11:18:07 AM  

BgJonson79: Silverstaff: Gdalescrboz: Here's the thing about Islam and jihad.  Yes, many of them disagree with why someone may be waging jihad, but as a Muslim they must accept it as a tenant of Islam and will rarely intervene.   I buy that the majority of Muslims are against violence; I don't buy that he majority of Muslims are against a member of their faith conducting a personal jihad.  This is the danger of Islam, while the majority are peaceful, they support radicals passively on a large scale

Jihad is NOT one of the "Five Pillars of Islam", the universal non-negotiable parts of the faith.  While common, jihad is only considered utterly essential to Twelver-Shi'a Islam.  Some Sunni scholars have tried to get it accepted as a sixth Pillar, but they are most certainly NOT a majority.

However, among other Sunni, and most Shi'a, the idea that "jihad" means armed conflict with those who are not Muslim is NOT a tenet of the faith.

In far more common, moderate, Islam, "jihad" (which literally means "struggle") is not a "holy war", but instead the effort to fight for virtue and holiness in the world.  That can be a fight for social justice, or to eloquently persuade people through speech and writing to live a more honorable and virtuous fight, or to engage in honorable military service in defense of your nation, or to serve as a police officer and fight crime, or a personal struggle to overcome temptation and base urges to live a virtuous and holy lifestyle.  The idea that it means blowing up infidels is NOT the standard definition or practice of Islam.

This!!!


No, not this. When the author of a religion is not a peaceful man, you can't expect his follows to be peaceful. Sorry, but Muhammad wasn't a peaceful fellow. Muslims can distort the truth, history and meaning of their religion and its founder all they want to make it seem that it's a religion of peace, but there's no denying the fact that Muhammad was a violent person who spread the growth of Islam by way of the sword.
 
2013-04-28 11:18:31 AM  

Mrtraveler01: mekki: I don't feel sorry for the family after having read that. Instead, it confirmed what I already thought, that this bombing had little to do with Islam and more to do with the individuals who were a Ferris wheel short of being carnies and thought the world owed them something just for existing. And since the world didn't give them all they thought they should deserve, well, BOOM.

If it hadn't been Islam, the excuse would have been something different and the end result would have been the same.

Me either.

It just shows that the theory that a screwed up family like this can be prime targets for recruitment by folks like violent Islamic radicals.

But if you read the comment section of the article, you'll see everyone complaining that the article is sympathetic to the family. The fact that the people who are complaining are Conservatives must be a coincidence.


Then they must have read a different story than I did because the article painted them to be a bunch of low life deadbeat thieves and drug dealers. Hardly the stuff that will strike up sympathy for most people.
 
2013-04-28 11:23:55 AM  

atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.


George Takei told me the other day on facebook that Muslims think of "extremist muslim terrorists" the same way that Christians think of the Westoboro assholes.

Which was funny, until I considered that as crazy as they are, the Westoboro people don't have a massive body count, which now makes me think that Muslims may be incredibly morally ignorant, if what George Takei says is true.

Way to insult Islam, George Takei.
 
2013-04-28 11:24:25 AM  

MurphyMurphy: Good, let the Russians deal with her.

Gitmo is too tropical anyways. If you're going to shut someone away for good .. nothing says hopeless despair like Siberia.


danhairfield.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-28 11:31:07 AM  
Merriam Webster:


Definition of  TENANT1a : one who holds or possesses real estate or sometimes personal property (as a security) by any kind of rightb : one who has the occupation or temporary possession of lands or tenements of another;  specifically : one who rents or leases (as a house) from a landlord

and


Definition of  TENET: a principle, belief, or doctrine generally held to be true;especially : one held in common by members of an organization, movement, or profession

Just in case anyone missed the difference.
 
2013-04-28 11:31:45 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: WOW@all the libs taking her side.
THIS is what's wrong with America.


oh for fark's sake. We're not taking her side, we just don't see the evidence that she was  actually in on this. Hell, even the article doesn't say that she was discussing the bombing with her sons, just that they had mentioned something about jihad back in 2011.

Was it more of "So I want you to take jihad to people we have qualms with" or was it more "So the Flanderyeches down the road were going on about some jihad. Stupid Flanderyeches"

Both mention jihad, but they're completely different statements. To jump the gun like you and  atomicmask are doing without due process and a fair trial is what's wrong with this country, not the people that want to see justice instead of an angry mob
 
2013-04-28 11:32:02 AM  

Wayne 985: MurphyMurphy: Good, let the Russians deal with her.

Gitmo is too tropical anyways. If you're going to shut someone away for good .. nothing says hopeless despair like Siberia.


Now reading in Bane voice. Siberia is so great to say in Bane voice.
 
2013-04-28 11:33:30 AM  
Ok, we had the FBI interviewing these people, and the Russians were specifically listening to them as well?  So two of the most powerful governments were this focused on these individuals, but were somehow completely ineffective at preventing this from happening?   I'm going to have to give points to conspiracy theorists for calling this one.
 
2013-04-28 11:35:09 AM  
close the borders. close the borders. close the borders. close the borders. close the borders.
 
2013-04-28 11:35:55 AM  

Bedstead Polisher: Mrtraveler01: They weren't referred to as sisters to the terrorists in the article.

Thanks. I went back and read most of it. I thought MY family was screwed up, sheeshia
the older brother also sounds like he was severely depressed and perhaps turned to religion to find answers. The whole family sounds as though they don't think rules apply to them, so they do what they want. Best of luck to that one estranged sister.


A lot of people who lived under Soviet rule, especially far away from Moscow, have/had that attitude. There was no possible way the government could enforce all the societal rules and regulations that it decreed, in every corner of that vast country, so people became accustomed to blowing off the rules and getting away with it.

/doesn't excuse it, just explains it.
 
2013-04-28 11:36:29 AM  

Limeyluv: amazing_live_seamonkeys: If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x573]

Why do I see Roman Polanski, Amy Winehouse and Edward James Olmos?


Are you watching Battlestar Galactica while doing smack and farking underage girls?
 
2013-04-28 11:36:34 AM  

utah dude: close the borders. close the borders. close the borders. close the borders. close the borders.


And how would that stop homegrown terrorism exactly?
 
2013-04-28 11:38:08 AM  

Mrtraveler01: utah dude: close the borders. close the borders. close the borders. close the borders. close the borders.

And how would that stop homegrown terrorism exactly?

Hummm, he was not exactly home grown, now was he?

 
2013-04-28 11:38:46 AM  

GORDON: atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.

George Takei told me the other day on facebook that Muslims think of "extremist muslim terrorists" the same way that Christians think of the Westoboro assholes.

Which was funny, until I considered that as crazy as they are, the Westoboro people don't have a massive body count, which now makes me think that Muslims may be incredibly morally ignorant, if what George Takei says is true.

Way to insult Islam, George Takei.


Except that those bodies aren't people, they're infidels, so it's all good. George actually COMPLIMENTED Islam.
 
2013-04-28 11:38:52 AM  
www.washingtonpost.com
The parents are both kinda hot
 
2013-04-28 11:39:57 AM  

obamafail: Mrtraveler01: utah dude: close the borders. close the borders. close the borders. close the borders. close the borders.

And how would that stop homegrown terrorism exactly?

Hummm, he was not exactly home grown, now was he?


Considering that they lived in the US for over 10 years and only became radicalized after living in the United States...uh, yeah.
 
2013-04-28 11:42:32 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Considering that they lived in the US for over 10 years and only became radicalized after living in the United States...uh, yeah.


change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism. change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism. change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism. change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism. change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism.
 
2013-04-28 11:43:54 AM  

utah dude: Mrtraveler01: Considering that they lived in the US for over 10 years and only became radicalized after living in the United States...uh, yeah.

change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism. change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism. change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism. change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism. change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism.


And you do that by?

And why are you repeating everything 5 times?
 
2013-04-28 11:49:14 AM  
suuuuuure, cnn. cuz you've been so accurate so far.
 
2013-04-28 11:49:40 AM  
CNN has previously reported that the FBI has said that it conducted an investigation -- including an interview with Tamerlan Tsarnaev after Russia expressed concerns in 2011.

The FBI said at the time if found nothing to justify pursuing the matter further and that Russia did not respond to US requests for additional information.


2011 is when the administration purged all of the FBI training material on Jihad.  So is it any wonder that when the FBI learned that Tamerlan is Jihadi, they didn't think it was worth pursuing?  They're now taught to believe that Jihad is a legitimate tenet of Islam, and that an Islamic religious extremist is just someone who is extremely religious.  And someone who is extremely religious in the Religion of Peace would be considered extremely peaceful.
 
2013-04-28 11:50:02 AM  

Kibbler: atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.

Just like 2003 again. Invasion of the wrong country would come along soon, if we had a Real Murcan in the White House. Sorry, patriot. Maybe next time. Then American mothers could cheer on their sons as they kill people entirely unconnected with an attack on their home. The circle of death.


Wow. You appear to think entirely in political sound bites, memes and stereotypes.  Seriously, how do you tie your shoelaces in the morning?
 
2013-04-28 11:51:39 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Yea, CNN no thank you. Let's not go which hunting.


Which Which?

http://www.whichwich.com/
 
2013-04-28 11:54:36 AM  

SkinnyHead: 2011 is when the administration purged all of the FBI training material on Jihad.


Now we know the talking point of the day on Free Repubic and AM radio.

Thanks!
 
2013-04-28 11:55:00 AM  
I'm sure that crazy aunt living in Toronto is in on it as well.
 
2013-04-28 11:57:31 AM  

jaytkay: SkinnyHead: 2011 is when the administration purged all of the FBI training material on Jihad.

Now we know the talking point of the day on Free Repubic and AM radio.

Thanks!


And of course it's target listeners are stupid enough to buy it.

Must be the easiest job in broadcasting.
 
2013-04-28 12:00:31 PM  

maggoo: "Wow, $MEMBERS_OF_RELIGION lie and plot, who would have thought."

Doesn't sound bigotted at all.


Well, not if you state it properly as "Wow, members of religion lie and plot, who would have thought."
 
2013-04-28 12:01:32 PM  

fireclown: "and then  I say NO, Motorboat goes like THIS"


Everytime I see that woman, all I see is kevin debrow from quiet riot.
 
2013-04-28 12:03:02 PM  

utah dude: Mrtraveler01: Considering that they lived in the US for over 10 years and only became radicalized after living in the United States...uh, yeah.

change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism. change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism. change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism. change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism. change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism.


Yea, if not for poverty and discrimination that wealthy Saudi Arabian wouldn't have dispatched 19 well educated upper middle class youths to terrorize America on 9/11/01.
 
2013-04-28 12:06:02 PM  

Mrtraveler01: change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism. change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism. change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism. change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism. change the socio-economic conditions that breed terrorism.

And you do that by?


Those boys socio-economic conditions were changed, by bringing them to the USA.  It didn't help.
 
2013-04-28 12:07:57 PM  

jaytkay: [www.washingtonpost.com image 638x430]
The parents are both kinda hot


The father looks kinda like a Bickle.

b.vimeocdn.com
 
2013-04-28 12:09:11 PM  

Bronson Gigabit: atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.

7/10


He's not trolling. He actually believes the stuff he types on FARK.

You should have seen him in the threads about Syria. He was ecstatic at the possibility of Assad using nerve gas against innocent civilians, because it'd kill more arabs and muslims.
 
2013-04-28 12:11:39 PM  

jaytkay: SkinnyHead: 2011 is when the administration purged all of the FBI training material on Jihad.

Now we know the talking point of the day on Free Repubic and AM radio.

Thanks!


You're welcome.  It's the truth.
 
2013-04-28 12:14:03 PM  

SkinnyHead: jaytkay: SkinnyHead: 2011 is when the administration purged all of the FBI training material on Jihad.

Now we know the talking point of the day on Free Repubic and AM radio.

Thanks!

You're welcome.  It's the truth.


Funny'd
 
2013-04-28 12:16:11 PM  
i897.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-28 12:16:31 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: R.A.Danny: I hope she's happy with her one dead son and her other failure in Allah's eyes.

You don't get to speak for god.


Why not? The religious do it all the time. What to eat. What to wear. Hat on. Hat off. Where you stick your peener. How to treat our slaves. Who are your friends. Who are your enemies. How to get to heaven. How to end up in hell. What to read. What not to read. What to think. What god wants. What god doesn't want. Who god thinks we should kill. Who god thinks we should save. Who and what we should vote for. Who or what we should vote against. Etc, etc, etc.

(Well.. just after they say that we cannot begin to understand the will of god.)
 
2013-04-28 12:17:23 PM  

SkinnyHead: You're welcome.  It's the truth.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-28 12:17:38 PM  

3StratMan: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 400x225]


The facts do not agree with your statement.
 
2013-04-28 12:19:59 PM  
When even Bill Maher is calling out the liberal bullshiat on Islam, you know something has changed.
 
2013-04-28 12:21:26 PM  
Are we still crying and peeing our pants about this? What a joke.
Land of the crybabies and home of the pussies.
 
2013-04-28 12:25:16 PM  

Otto_E_Rodika: When even Bill Maher is calling out the liberal bullshiat on Islam, you know something has changed.


Because Bill Maher is the official spokesperson for anyone who holds a liberal point of view, right?
 
2013-04-28 12:29:10 PM  

hardinparamedic: SkinnyHead: You're welcome.  It's the truth.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x163]


http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/02/hundreds-fbi-documents-musli ms /

How do you not remember this?
 
2013-04-28 12:33:51 PM  

jaytkay: The parents are both kinda hot


I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks so.
 
2013-04-28 12:34:29 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: hardinparamedic: SkinnyHead: You're welcome.  It's the truth.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x163]

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/02/hundreds-fbi-documents-musli ms /

How do you not remember this?


From your own link:The FBI purged documents according to four criteria: "factual errors"; "poor taste"; employment of "stereotypes" about Arabs or Muslims; or presenting information that "lacked precision."

But hey, as long as we teach them inaccurate information which preaches fear and not actual deductive police work, it's all cool!

So on a scale from Potato to Benghazi, how full of Bullshiat are you?
 
2013-04-28 12:37:54 PM  
Apparently the mom is an Avar, rather than a Chechen.

maggoo: Yeah, that's plenty of reason to put her on death row.


She currently lives in Russia, doesn't she? It might not be our problem, first of all, and I'm pretty sure the Russians have killed or imprisoned people for less than this.
 
2013-04-28 12:41:20 PM  

hardinparamedic: SkinnyHead: You're welcome.  It's the truth.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x163]


http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/102611-589489-delinking-isl am -and-terror.htm?p=full
 
2013-04-28 12:43:37 PM  

hardinparamedic: Otto_E_Rodika: When even Bill Maher is calling out the liberal bullshiat on Islam, you know something has changed.

Because Bill Maher is the official spokesperson for anyone who holds a liberal point of view, right?


Just as much as Bill O'Reilly speaks for all Republicans.

Checkmate.
 
2013-04-28 12:45:37 PM  

hardinparamedic: Otto_E_Rodika: When even Bill Maher is calling out the liberal bullshiat on Islam, you know something has changed.

Because Bill Maher is the official spokesperson for anyone who holds a liberal point of view, right?


In the mind of Conservatives that seems to be the case.

I can't figure out why though, I can't stand Bill Maher and I'm pretty much a far-leftist in the eyes of Conservatives (and by that, I really mean I'm a moderate)
 
2013-04-28 12:45:50 PM  

SkinnyHead: CNN has previously reported that the FBI has said that it conducted an investigation -- including an interview with Tamerlan Tsarnaev after Russia expressed concerns in 2011.

The FBI said at the time if found nothing to justify pursuing the matter further and that Russia did not respond to US requests for additional information.

2011 is when the administration purged all of the FBI training material on Jihad.  So is it any wonder that when the FBI learned that Tamerlan is Jihadi, they didn't think it was worth pursuing?  They're now taught to believe that Jihad is a legitimate tenet of Islam, and that an Islamic religious extremist is just someone who is extremely religious.  And someone who is extremely religious in the Religion of Peace would be considered extremely peaceful.


Climb back under whatever rock you have been under.
 
2013-04-28 12:50:35 PM  

GORDON: Just as much as Bill O'Reilly speaks for all Republicans.

Checkmate.


img.myconfinedspace.com

Who's said that in this thread again? Hmm?

Mrtraveler01: I can't stand Bill Maher and I'm pretty much a far-leftist in the eyes of Conservatives (and by that, I really mean I'm a moderate)


Bill Maher is just as crankish as anyone on the right. Glenn Beck is the closest comparison that comes to mind.

SkinnyHead: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/102611-589489-delinking-isl am -and-terror.htm?p=full


Well, SkinnyHead, your editorial/opinion piece on what the FBI did from your Right-winged rag sure proved me wron-

Wait, let's visit a link that another one of your supporters posted in this thread, just for kicks.

The documents were deleted for being inaccurate and blatantly wrong? It's almost as if you're trying to manufacture a controversy here.
 
2013-04-28 12:52:08 PM  

hardinparamedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: hardinparamedic: SkinnyHead: You're welcome.  It's the truth.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x163]

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/02/hundreds-fbi-documents-musli ms /

How do you not remember this?

From your own link:The FBI purged documents according to four criteria: "factual errors"; "poor taste"; employment of "stereotypes" about Arabs or Muslims; or presenting information that "lacked precision."

But hey, as long as we teach them inaccurate information which preaches fear and not actual deductive police work, it's all cool!

So on a scale from Potato to Benghazi, how full of Bullshiat are you?


Are you a little bit retarded?  He stated that they were purged. You went all [citation needed.jpg].  Get shown to not have a clue about recent events.  And then... move the goalposts.  You were wrong.

As for the  "From your own link:The FBI purged documents according to four criteria: "factual errors"; "poor taste"; employment of "stereotypes" about Arabs or Muslims; or presenting information that "lacked precision."   Are you familiar with the documents contents?  Because there's this thing called spin you should probably learn about.
 
2013-04-28 12:55:06 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Are you a little bit retarded?  He stated that they were purged. You went all [citation needed.jpg].  Get shown to not have a clue about recent events.  And then... move the goalposts.  You were wrong.


Actually, he stated they were purged because of political pandering to Muslims, instead of actual, real-world reasons. Stop being intellectually dishonest.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: As for the  "From your own link:The FBI purged documents according to four criteria: "factual errors"; "poor taste"; employment of "stereotypes" about Arabs or Muslims; or presenting information that "lacked precision."   Are you familiar with the documents contents?  Because there's this thing called spin you should probably learn about.


So we're reaching Benghazi level derp, now?

Is it a scandal, yet?

In reality, you're taking a non-issue and trying to turn it into a manufactured controversy. But please. Keep reaching there.
 
2013-04-28 12:58:21 PM  

Mrbogey: Yea, if not for poverty and discrimination that wealthy Saudi Arabian wouldn't have dispatched 19 well educated upper middle class youths to terrorize America on 9/11/01.


smart +1.
 
2013-04-28 01:01:39 PM  

Chaghatai: Gdalescrboz: Here's the thing about Islam and jihad.  Yes, many of them disagree with why someone may be waging jihad, but as a Muslim they must accept it as a tenant of Islam and will rarely intervene.   I buy that the majority of Muslims are against violence; I don't buy that he majority of Muslims are against a member of their faith conducting a personal jihad.  This is the danger of Islam, while the majority are peaceful, they support radicals passively on a large scale

I don't buy that Muslims are any more likely to accept such personal radicalization in the name of "jihad" any more than Christians are widespread in acceptance of personal "crusades". Both faiths have a word for religiously motivated warfare but to neither rely on it any more than another as a "tenet" of their beliefs.


Oh bullshiat.  Muslims are killing people in the name of their religion all over the farking world.  The rest of the world has been suggesting/asking/begging them to stop for thousands of years.  Everybody else has cut that shiat out.  For almost 70 years, whenever a non-muslim commits an act of terrorism, every one else in that person's OWN religion denounces it and takes measures to prevent it from happening further.  The United States and Britain (alone) lost one million people trying to stamp out violence and massacres in the name of Christianity during WWII.  No Christian supports that actions of McVeigh or Rudolph (that happened 15-20 years ago, but that's how infrequently attacks in the name of Christianity occur, so we have to reach back forever to get examples).  Those jerkoffs in the Westboro Baptist Church?  They have a 0% approval rating in the Christian community.  Can the same be said of the popularity of these two a-hole brothers (or the 9/11 terrorists) in the Muslim community?  Of course not.

So you can take your moral equivalence and stick it up your ass.
 
2013-04-28 01:03:26 PM  

LeoffDaGrate: jehovahs witness protection: WOW@all the libs taking her side.
THIS is what's wrong with America.

Wait. I thought you were true to the tenants of the Constitution.  Don't you believe in all that jibbly-jobbly stuff about law and "innocent before proven guilty?  Apparently not.


Tenets -- or are you referring to little magical people who live in the constitution?
 
2013-04-28 01:04:57 PM  

SunsetLament: Can the same be said of the popularity of these two a-hole brothers (or the 9/11 terrorists) in the Muslim community? Of course not.


True, they just thwart future terror attacks instead.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/04/22/muslim-community-tipped-off-rcm p- about-terror-plot
 
2013-04-28 01:05:47 PM  

hardinparamedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Are you a little bit retarded?  He stated that they were purged. You went all [citation needed.jpg].  Get shown to not have a clue about recent events.  And then... move the goalposts.  You were wrong.

Actually, he stated they were purged because of political pandering to Muslims, instead of actual, real-world reasons. Stop being intellectually dishonest.


Here's his full quote below, showing that you're lying. In fact, a quick ctrl-f shows that you're the only person in the thread who typed "pandering" as well.  You should be ashamed to lie about something that's so easily disprovable.

SkinnyHead: 2011 is when the administration purged all of the FBI training material on Jihad.  So is it any wonder that when the FBI learned that Tamerlan is Jihadi, they didn't think it was worth pursuing?  They're now taught to believe that Jihad is a legitimate tenet of Islam, and that an Islamic religious extremist is just someone who is extremely religious.  And someone who is extremely religious in the Religion of Peace would be considered extremely peaceful.


hardinparamedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: As for the  "From your own link:The FBI purged documents according to four criteria: "factual errors"; "poor taste"; employment of "stereotypes" about Arabs or Muslims; or presenting information that "lacked precision."   Are you familiar with the documents contents?  Because there's this thing called spin you should probably learn about.

So we're reaching Benghazi level derp, now?

Is it a scandal, yet?

In reality, you're taking a non-issue and trying to turn it into a manufactured controversy. But please. Keep reaching there.


By all means, let's see you prove your point by CITING the purged documents.

/you won't because you're a liar.
 
2013-04-28 01:06:44 PM  
I'm sure Uncle Ruslan has some choice words he uses to describe her to friends.
 
2013-04-28 01:15:17 PM  

hardinparamedic: Otto_E_Rodika: When even Bill Maher is calling out the liberal bullshiat on Islam, you know something has changed.

Because Bill Maher is the official spokesperson for anyone who holds a liberal point of view, right?


I'm sorry, but I can't take seriously anyone who does not refer to him as Pig Maher.
 
2013-04-28 01:16:12 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: By all means, let's see you prove your point by CITING the purged documents.

/you won't because you're a liar.


So the only way my point could possibly be valid is if I have access to classified FBI documents used to train it's agents in how to investigate and prevent terrorism, and if I cut and paste those onto the internet for you? Otherwise, I'm lying because I point out that the only people saying this happened as the Wired article stated it was?

Yet, SkinnyHead's editorial/opinion piece from a right-wing rag is fact?

Bravo, Sir. I am in awe of your cognitive dissonance.
 
2013-04-28 01:19:14 PM  

hardinparamedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: By all means, let's see you prove your point by CITING the purged documents.

/you won't because you're a liar.

So the only way my point could possibly be valid is if I have access to classified FBI documents used to train it's agents in how to investigate and prevent terrorism, and if I cut and paste those onto the internet for you? Otherwise, I'm lying because I point out that the only people saying this happened as the Wired article stated it was?

Yet, SkinnyHead's editorial/opinion piece from a right-wing rag is fact?

Bravo, Sir. I am in awe of your cognitive dissonance.


That and the fact that he admitted that in his mind, these documents were scrubbed for political correctness and not for being factually wrong.

I just find him to be entertaining to watch.
 
2013-04-28 01:32:56 PM  

Mrtraveler01: SunsetLament: Can the same be said of the popularity of these two a-hole brothers (or the 9/11 terrorists) in the Muslim community? Of course not.

True, they just thwart future terror attacks instead.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/04/22/muslim-community-tipped-off-rcm p- about-terror-plot


Oh boy, you found one example of Muslims acting like peaceful, society-respecting, anti-violence humans - let's have a parade!  Unfortunately there's a significant portion of the other 2 billion that don't behave this way and that support violence in the name of the religion.  Even just 0.001% of 2 billion is 2 million people; and the percentage of Mulsims (worldwide) that support this crap is way, way more than 0.001%.
 
2013-04-28 01:34:00 PM  

SunsetLament: Even just 0.001% of 2 billion is 2 million people; and the percentage of Mulsims (worldwide) that support this crap is way, way more than 0.001%.


Hey, I didn't know Eric Bolling has a Fark account!
 
2013-04-28 01:35:22 PM  

SunsetLament: The rest of the world has been suggesting/asking/begging them to stop for thousands of years.


Impressive for a religion that's not even two thousand years old.
 
2013-04-28 01:40:52 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: SunsetLament: The rest of the world has been suggesting/asking/begging them to stop for thousands of years.

Impressive for a religion that's not even two thousand years old.


Part of me wonders if that is the reason why Islam doesn't seem to be as evolved as other faiths like Judiasm and Christianity.

They're getting there, but they are still behind.

It also doesn't help that the areas Islam flourishes in are corrupt as fark and ruled by totalitarians.
 
2013-04-28 01:41:51 PM  

gerbilpox: Notice how the media calls them "ethnically Chechen"? Can you imagine the firestorm if they did that with some other ethnicity, perhaps with a different skin color? They've also described Chechnya as "their ancestral homeland."


The family identifies as Chechen. Remember the uncle on TV saying the brothers brought shame on the Chechen people?
 
2013-04-28 01:43:16 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Islam doesn't seem to be as evolved as other faiths like Judiasm and Christianity


How is one elaborate superstition more evolved than another?
 
2013-04-28 01:48:13 PM  

SkinnyHead: jaytkay: SkinnyHead: 2011 is when the administration purged all of the FBI training material on Jihad.

Now we know the talking point of the day on Free Repubic and AM radio.

Thanks!

You're welcome.  It's the truth.

 
2013-04-28 01:52:45 PM  

Mrtraveler01: That and the fact that he admitted that in his mind, these documents were scrubbed for political correctness and not for being factually wrong.


It is political correctness to pretend that Jihad is not a danger.  According to John Brennan, this administration does not consider Jihadists to be our enemy because "jihad is a holy struggle, a legitimate tenet of Islam."  So when they find out that we have a Jihadi in our midst, they ignore it.
 
2013-04-28 01:53:03 PM  

jaytkay: How is one elaborate superstition more evolved than another?


Mormonism is only like 200 years old. It's Jesus 3.0. FREE UPGRADE NOW* [click].

*10% tithing restrictions apply. contact your bishop for details.
 
2013-04-28 01:58:32 PM  

SkinnyHead: According to John Brennan, this administration does not consider Jihadists to be our enemy because "jihad is a holy struggle, a legitimate tenet of Islam."


Jihadi != violent extremist.

Jihad is just an excuse violent Islamic extremists use to justify their douchbaggery. Jihad is not necessarily a violent thing.

Kudos to John Brennan for spelling "tenet" correctly.
 
2013-04-28 02:01:13 PM  

jaytkay: gerbilpox: Notice how the media calls them "ethnically Chechen"? Can you imagine the firestorm if they did that with some other ethnicity, perhaps with a different skin color? They've also described Chechnya as "their ancestral homeland."

The family identifies as Chechen. Remember the uncle on TV saying the brothers brought shame on the Chechen people?


The media started saying it before we knew anything else about them. And I don't watch TV, I just read news online, so I'm basically talking out of my arse here. :-)
 
2013-04-28 02:07:05 PM  

maggoo: atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.

"Wow, $MEMBERS_OF_RELIGION lie and plot, who would have thought."

Doesn't sound bigotted at all.


ever hear of  Taqiyah?

It is a form of lying that is acceptable in order to forward the goals of Islam.
Commonly used when dealing with infidels as a means to gain favor in a situation that
may be presently un-winnable when dealt with honestly. The subterfuge is used to gain
an advantage to later use to win the situation over to Islam.
 
2013-04-28 02:09:20 PM  
Not to continue my semi-threadjack but if anyone's interested, I just saw this article in the Toronto Star about the question of burying the older brother: http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2013/04/28/boston_marathon_bombin g s_muslims_torn_over_burial_prayers_for_tamerlan_tsaraev.html
 
2013-04-28 02:11:11 PM  
Modern islam is about 50 years old, the middle eastern version is a minority view of the faith (and even then it is sharply splintered) and using the religion as an excuse for hate is equally retarded from both sides of the equation.

/Make you a deal: I won't kill you for being a muslim, if you don't kill me because you're a muslim
 
2013-04-28 02:12:54 PM  

Norad: jehovahs witness protection: WOW@all the libs taking her side.
THIS is what's wrong with America.

You're right. Everyone needs to be like you...shoot first, ask questions later.

You know, the kind of mentality that landed the U.S. in Iraq for almost a decade.




Almost a decade?

You sound young.
lh3.ggpht.com
 
2013-04-28 02:15:49 PM  

BlaqueKatt: ever hear of Taqiyah?

It is a form of lying that is acceptable in order to forward the goals of Islam.
Commonly used when dealing with infidels as a means to gain favor in a situation that
may be presently un-winnable when dealt with honestly. The subterfuge is used to gain
an advantage to later use to win the situation over to Islam.


You sound real well-informed.

But you forgot to mention that Jews drink the blood of Christian babies.
 
2013-04-28 02:16:54 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: 3StratMan: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 400x225]

The facts do not agree with your statement.


The Fed's policy of "Let everyone in, regardless of anything, and pay no attention to them once they are here" agrees with my statement.
 
2013-04-28 02:18:04 PM  

3StratMan: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 400x225]


farm5.staticflickr.com

I still want to know if mom and dad left voluntarily, after she got into trouble for shoplifting or if they were deported.

And for those biatching about the use of the word jihad, Don't forget Bush did declare a crusade.
Don't confuse groups like the Taliban who wage true jihad with these two dumbfark pieces of shiat. You're giving them more credit than they deserve.
 
2013-04-28 02:19:33 PM  

3StratMan: The Fed's policy of "Let everyone in, regardless of anything, and pay no attention to them once they are here" agrees with my statement.


Another well-informed person.

Tell us more about that policy. And how nobody ever gets deported. Don't be stingy. Share your vast knowledge.
 
2013-04-28 02:20:32 PM  

cretinbob: I still want to know if mom and dad left voluntarily, after she got into trouble for shoplifting or if they were deported.


I think the dad left voluntarily because he was sick and wanted to die in Russia.

The mom I'm not so sure about, but I'm thinking the shoplifting case had a role in her departure.
 
2013-04-28 02:36:06 PM  
Paging Dr. Polonium...
 
2013-04-28 02:42:49 PM  
Mom and dad watched american TV shows from the 80-s, came to america to find the country they saw on the screen.  They moved to the east coast because someone already had family there, or perhaps someone knew someone from there.  They never moved away from their initial "landing" site, and since this was east coast, the only place they could afford was a shiathole.  Father had to work twice as hard in the new country, and was only able to bring back half as much.  Mother gets disillusioned, spouts off semiracist rants about "farking americans", while the father joins in with the unfairness of it all.  The older brother grows up in this home, alienated from his heritage, as well as from his adopted country.  Any sense of belonging is shattered by the parents.  He gets radicalized, or just takes the stereotype of his culture, and embodies it.  Young brother just wants to be like the big brother.


All in all, fark em.

/1st generation immigrant here
 
2013-04-28 02:56:32 PM  

Vodka Zombie: MurphyMurphy: Good, let the Russians deal with her.

Gitmo is too tropical anyways. If you're going to shut someone away for good .. nothing says hopeless despair like Siberia.

Not been to North Dakota, I see.

Okay, it's not exactly Siberia miserable, but it's close. Well... Close-ish.

Oklahoma too. Absolute hell that place. Winters are like a billion below zero, summers are a billion above.


And the state has about 2 snow plows
 
2013-04-28 02:59:41 PM  

SunsetLament: Chaghatai: Gdalescrboz: Here's the thing about Islam and jihad.  Yes, many of them disagree with why someone may be waging jihad, but as a Muslim they must accept it as a tenant of Islam and will rarely intervene.   I buy that the majority of Muslims are against violence; I don't buy that he majority of Muslims are against a member of their faith conducting a personal jihad.  This is the danger of Islam, while the majority are peaceful, they support radicals passively on a large scale

I don't buy that Muslims are any more likely to accept such personal radicalization in the name of "jihad" any more than Christians are widespread in acceptance of personal "crusades". Both faiths have a word for religiously motivated warfare but to neither rely on it any more than another as a "tenet" of their beliefs.

Oh bullshiat.  Muslims are killing people in the name of their religion all over the farking world.  The rest of the world has been suggesting/asking/begging them to stop for thousands of years.  Everybody else has cut that shiat out.  For almost 70 years, whenever a non-muslim commits an act of terrorism, every one else in that person's OWN religion denounces it and takes measures to prevent it from happening further.  The United States and Britain (alone) lost one million people trying to stamp out violence and massacres in the name of Christianity during WWII.  No Christian supports that actions of McVeigh or Rudolph (that happened 15-20 years ago, but that's how infrequently attacks in the name of Christianity occur, so we have to reach back forever to get examples).  Those jerkoffs in the Westboro Baptist Church?  They have a 0% approval rating in the Christian community.  Can the same be said of the popularity of these two a-hole brothers (or the 9/11 terrorists) in the Muslim community?  Of course not.

So you can take your moral equivalence and stick it up your ass.


More like 1400 years.
 
2013-04-28 03:01:15 PM  
The mother wasn't a Jihadist or a radicalized Muslim. She is a thief and a con artist who was running a con on her own sons. I'm willing to bet that the sons were sending money back to mom in Russia, and that the mother would say anything that she needed to to keep that money coming from her sons.
 
2013-04-28 03:02:40 PM  

BlaqueKatt: maggoo: atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.

"Wow, $MEMBERS_OF_RELIGION lie and plot, who would have thought."

Doesn't sound bigotted at all.

ever hear of  Taqiyah?

It is a form of lying that is acceptable in order to forward the goals of Islam.
Commonly used when dealing with infidels as a means to gain favor in a situation that
may be presently un-winnable when dealt with honestly. The subterfuge is used to gain
an advantage to later use to win the situation over to Islam.


Just curious -- where in the old or new testament is lying prohibited in Judaism or Christianity? Bearing false witness against your neighbor is a small subset of lying and doesn't answer the question.
 
2013-04-28 03:27:34 PM  

hardinparamedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: By all means, let's see you prove your point by CITING the purged documents.

/you won't because you're a liar.

So the only way my point could possibly be valid is if I have access to classified FBI documents used to train it's agents in how to investigate and prevent terrorism, and if I cut and paste those onto the internet for you? Otherwise, I'm lying because I point out that the only people saying this happened as the Wired article stated it was?

Yet, SkinnyHead's editorial/opinion piece from a right-wing rag is fact?

Bravo, Sir. I am in awe of your cognitive dissonance.


ftfa " And more disclosures may be forthcoming, as the FBI continues its inquiry and responds to Freedom of Information Act requests for the documents themselves. ".  Also, yet another ctrl-f doesn't support your assertion that they're all classified.  Would you like to try lying yet again?
 
2013-04-28 03:30:09 PM  

cretinbob: I still want to know if mom and dad left voluntarily, after she got into trouble for shoplifting or if they were deported.


I don't think they would have even mentioned coming back if they had been deported.
 
2013-04-28 03:57:51 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: " And more disclosures may be forthcoming, as the FBI continues its inquiry and responds to Freedom of Information Act requests for the documents themselves. ".  Also, yet another ctrl-f doesn't support your assertion that they're all classified.  Would you like to try lying yet again?


Would you like to link the documents, then, since you continue to accuse me of lying?

I mean, you can do that, right? Since you know the "truth"?
 
2013-04-28 04:12:33 PM  
Does she still want that pressure cooker for mother's day?
 
2013-04-28 04:35:14 PM  
Feed her to the siberian prison system.  And her family.  Except the uncle.
 
2013-04-28 05:30:20 PM  

hardinparamedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: " And more disclosures may be forthcoming, as the FBI continues its inquiry and responds to Freedom of Information Act requests for the documents themselves. ".  Also, yet another ctrl-f doesn't support your assertion that they're all classified.  Would you like to try lying yet again?

Would you like to link the documents, then, since you continue to accuse me of lying?

I mean, you can do that, right? Since you know the "truth"?


You cited a statement from the fbi.. that's not verification of what's in the documents.  If you're going to make a claim, you need the documents to back it up.
 
2013-04-28 05:35:27 PM  

zamboni: God-is-a-Taco: R.A.Danny: I hope she's happy with her one dead son and her other failure in Allah's eyes.

You don't get to speak for god.

Why not? The religious do it all the time. What to eat. What to wear. Hat on. Hat off. Where you stick your peener. How to treat our slaves. Who are your friends. Who are your enemies. How to get to heaven. How to end up in hell. What to read. What not to read. What to think. What god wants. What god doesn't want. Who god thinks we should kill. Who god thinks we should save. Who and what we should vote for. Who or what we should vote against. Etc, etc, etc.



Exactly. Any act of religion is equally as valid as any other.
 
2013-04-28 07:56:44 PM  
Is this a thread where we evaluate a sampling and apply that observation to a whole?
 
2013-04-28 09:26:07 PM  

mr_a: R.A.Danny: I hope she's happy with her one dead son and her other failure in Allah's eyes.

Why do I just get this image of Allah, along with every other supreme deity, shaking his head and wondering where he went wrong with humans.


.
from my observation, Allah is a Mary Sue version of God. something made up to justify killing everyone else and treating women like cattle. the Jews and christians are at least trying to learn better and stop the violence.
 
2013-04-28 09:32:12 PM  

jaytkay: 3StratMan: The Fed's policy of "Let everyone in, regardless of anything, and pay no attention to them once they are here" agrees with my statement.

Another well-informed person.

Tell us more about that policy. And how nobody ever gets deported. Don't be stingy. Share your vast knowledge.


Take a hike. Some of us don't live our lives pretending that there is no illegal immigration problem at all.
 
2013-04-28 10:34:52 PM  
This is a damn good point. I've always thought that the ten commandments were written by men who were just protecting their own shiat but were smart enough to craft loopholes in an age when explicit exclusions required way to much extra stone carving. Like the prohibition on coveting thy neighbors wife was just some guy complaining 'Bob is always looking at my wife's tits and I want it to stop but I don't want to shut down objectification of all chicks' or the very convenient thou shall not murder rather than thou shalt not kill which leaves enough wiggle room to allow a lot of justified killing.
 
2013-04-28 10:39:47 PM  
Wtf why didn't that quote? was responding to

AndreMA:
Just curious -- where in the old or new testament is lying prohibited in Judaism or Christianity? Bearing false witness against your neighbor is a small subset of lying and doesn't answer the question.
 
2013-04-29 12:10:01 AM  
be careful who you label as a "terrorist".

why isn't "the batman shooter" considered a terrorist?

he killed more.

he terrorized just as many people.

if not more.

-eat your double standard for breakfast.
 
2013-04-29 12:11:31 AM  

kettir: mr_a: R.A.Danny: I hope she's happy with her one dead son and her other failure in Allah's eyes.

Why do I just get this image of Allah, along with every other supreme deity, shaking his head and wondering where he went wrong with humans.

.
from my observation, Allah is a Mary Sue version of God. something made up to justify killing everyone else and treating women like cattle. the Jews and christians are at least trying to learn better and stop the violence.


no.

they are not.
 
2013-04-29 01:06:26 AM  

Bauer: be careful who you label as a "terrorist".

why isn't "the batman shooter" considered a terrorist?

he killed more.

he terrorized just as many people.

if not more.

-eat your double standard for breakfast.


In theory terrorism requires a political or social motivation -- an attempt to influence people to support your cause, release captives, stop supporting your enemy, remove bases from "Holy" lands, whatever.

Not that the US government always applies the definition correctly when it's inconvenient to do so.
 
2013-04-29 01:55:05 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: You cited a statement from the fbi.. that's not verification of what's in the documents.  If you're going to make a claim, you need the documents to back it up.


Wow. What a double standard you have there. So where are the documents for your proof, right? The same measure applies to your statements.

Let's go over how this discussion has gone, just to highlight how hilarious you're acting right now.

Linked article directly disproving the claim that said FARKer made in the first place, namely that the documents were purged to pander to Muslims by the Obama administration, made by a reputable journalistic source and quoting FBI spokespersons? That's blatant lies, how dare you post that, sheeple! Link classified documents or you're a liar!!!!

SkinnyHead links an editorial opinion piece from a known Right-Wing news source which has the journalistic integrity and history equivalent to that of the  Der Angiff, in which the writer makes a blatant attempt to "just ask questions" and create a controversy where none otherwise would exist, and you continue to defend it and call anyone questioning it a liar.

Next you know, you'll be telling me we've always been at war with Eastasia, and the Chocolate Ration has been increased from 0.4 to 0.3
 
2013-04-29 02:27:48 AM  

hardinparamedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: You cited a statement from the fbi.. that's not verification of what's in the documents.  If you're going to make a claim, you need the documents to back it up.

Wow. What a double standard you have there. So where are the documents for your proof, right? The same measure applies to your statements.

Let's go over how this discussion has gone, just to highlight how hilarious you're acting right now.

Linked article directly disproving the claim that said FARKer made in the first place, namely that the documents were purged to pander to Muslims by the Obama administration, made by a reputable journalistic source and quoting FBI spokespersons? That's blatant lies, how dare you post that, sheeple! Link classified documents or you're a liar!!!!

SkinnyHead links an editorial opinion piece from a known Right-Wing news source which has the journalistic integrity and history equivalent to that of the  Der Angiff, in which the writer makes a blatant attempt to "just ask questions" and create a controversy where none otherwise would exist, and you continue to defend it and call anyone questioning it a liar.

Next you know, you'll be telling me we've always been at war with Eastasia, and the Chocolate Ration has been increased from 0.4 to 0.3


You went full retard on that one.
 
2013-04-29 02:36:24 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: You went full retard on that one.


I thought it was an appropriate literary reference to the amount of sheer doublespeak and Tu Quo Quo you've put out in this thread in an attempt to either troll, or demonstrate your lack of critical thinking abilities.

If it's the former, I applaud you. If it's the later, I apologize in advance for making fun of retarded folk.
 
2013-04-29 09:52:42 AM  

hardinparamedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: You went full retard on that one.

I thought it was an appropriate literary reference to the amount of sheer doublespeak and Tu Quo Quo you've put out in this thread in an attempt to either troll, or demonstrate your lack of critical thinking abilities.

If it's the former, I applaud you. If it's the later, I apologize in advance for making fun of retarded folk.


You could have just condensed your reply to "No you!".

The fact is, you made a claim then came up with excuses as to why your claim isn't verifiable.  Everything you say is designed to distract from that fact.
 
2013-04-29 01:02:41 PM  

Silverstaff: Gdalescrboz: Here's the thing about Islam and jihad.  Yes, many of them disagree with why someone may be waging jihad, but as a Muslim they must accept it as a tenant of Islam and will rarely intervene.   I buy that the majority of Muslims are against violence; I don't buy that he majority of Muslims are against a member of their faith conducting a personal jihad.  This is the danger of Islam, while the majority are peaceful, they support radicals passively on a large scale

Jihad is NOT one of the "Five Pillars of Islam", the universal non-negotiable parts of the faith.  While common, jihad is only considered utterly essential to Twelver-Shi'a Islam.  Some Sunni scholars have tried to get it accepted as a sixth Pillar, but they are most certainly NOT a majority.

However, among other Sunni, and most Shi'a, the idea that "jihad" means armed conflict with those who are not Muslim is NOT a tenet of the faith.

In far more common, moderate, Islam, "jihad" (which literally means "struggle") is not a "holy war", but instead the effort to fight for virtue and holiness in the world.  That can be a fight for social justice, or to eloquently persuade people through speech and writing to live a more honorable and virtuous fight, or to engage in honorable military service in defense of your nation, or to serve as a police officer and fight crime, or a personal struggle to overcome temptation and base urges to live a virtuous and holy lifestyle.  The idea that it means blowing up infidels is NOT the standard definition or practice of Islam.


And yet, somehow, they just can't seem to shake this horribly misguided, popular belief.
 
2013-04-29 01:08:01 PM  

swahnhennessy: Dr.Zom: it must be weird having Robert Smith as your mom.

Or Robert DeNiro as your dad.


It's a Fat Bob either way.
 
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