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2013-04-28 01:16:12 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: By all means, let's see you prove your point by CITING the purged documents.

/you won't because you're a liar.


So the only way my point could possibly be valid is if I have access to classified FBI documents used to train it's agents in how to investigate and prevent terrorism, and if I cut and paste those onto the internet for you? Otherwise, I'm lying because I point out that the only people saying this happened as the Wired article stated it was?

Yet, SkinnyHead's editorial/opinion piece from a right-wing rag is fact?

Bravo, Sir. I am in awe of your cognitive dissonance.
 
2013-04-28 01:19:14 PM  

hardinparamedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: By all means, let's see you prove your point by CITING the purged documents.

/you won't because you're a liar.

So the only way my point could possibly be valid is if I have access to classified FBI documents used to train it's agents in how to investigate and prevent terrorism, and if I cut and paste those onto the internet for you? Otherwise, I'm lying because I point out that the only people saying this happened as the Wired article stated it was?

Yet, SkinnyHead's editorial/opinion piece from a right-wing rag is fact?

Bravo, Sir. I am in awe of your cognitive dissonance.


That and the fact that he admitted that in his mind, these documents were scrubbed for political correctness and not for being factually wrong.

I just find him to be entertaining to watch.
 
2013-04-28 01:32:56 PM  

Mrtraveler01: SunsetLament: Can the same be said of the popularity of these two a-hole brothers (or the 9/11 terrorists) in the Muslim community? Of course not.

True, they just thwart future terror attacks instead.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/04/22/muslim-community-tipped-off-rcm p- about-terror-plot


Oh boy, you found one example of Muslims acting like peaceful, society-respecting, anti-violence humans - let's have a parade!  Unfortunately there's a significant portion of the other 2 billion that don't behave this way and that support violence in the name of the religion.  Even just 0.001% of 2 billion is 2 million people; and the percentage of Mulsims (worldwide) that support this crap is way, way more than 0.001%.
 
2013-04-28 01:34:00 PM  

SunsetLament: Even just 0.001% of 2 billion is 2 million people; and the percentage of Mulsims (worldwide) that support this crap is way, way more than 0.001%.


Hey, I didn't know Eric Bolling has a Fark account!
 
2013-04-28 01:35:22 PM  

SunsetLament: The rest of the world has been suggesting/asking/begging them to stop for thousands of years.


Impressive for a religion that's not even two thousand years old.
 
2013-04-28 01:40:52 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: SunsetLament: The rest of the world has been suggesting/asking/begging them to stop for thousands of years.

Impressive for a religion that's not even two thousand years old.


Part of me wonders if that is the reason why Islam doesn't seem to be as evolved as other faiths like Judiasm and Christianity.

They're getting there, but they are still behind.

It also doesn't help that the areas Islam flourishes in are corrupt as fark and ruled by totalitarians.
 
2013-04-28 01:41:51 PM  

gerbilpox: Notice how the media calls them "ethnically Chechen"? Can you imagine the firestorm if they did that with some other ethnicity, perhaps with a different skin color? They've also described Chechnya as "their ancestral homeland."


The family identifies as Chechen. Remember the uncle on TV saying the brothers brought shame on the Chechen people?
 
2013-04-28 01:43:16 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Islam doesn't seem to be as evolved as other faiths like Judiasm and Christianity


How is one elaborate superstition more evolved than another?
 
2013-04-28 01:48:13 PM  

SkinnyHead: jaytkay: SkinnyHead: 2011 is when the administration purged all of the FBI training material on Jihad.

Now we know the talking point of the day on Free Repubic and AM radio.

Thanks!

You're welcome.  It's the truth.

 
2013-04-28 01:52:45 PM  

Mrtraveler01: That and the fact that he admitted that in his mind, these documents were scrubbed for political correctness and not for being factually wrong.


It is political correctness to pretend that Jihad is not a danger.  According to John Brennan, this administration does not consider Jihadists to be our enemy because "jihad is a holy struggle, a legitimate tenet of Islam."  So when they find out that we have a Jihadi in our midst, they ignore it.
 
2013-04-28 01:53:03 PM  

jaytkay: How is one elaborate superstition more evolved than another?


Mormonism is only like 200 years old. It's Jesus 3.0. FREE UPGRADE NOW* [click].

*10% tithing restrictions apply. contact your bishop for details.
 
2013-04-28 01:58:32 PM  

SkinnyHead: According to John Brennan, this administration does not consider Jihadists to be our enemy because "jihad is a holy struggle, a legitimate tenet of Islam."


Jihadi != violent extremist.

Jihad is just an excuse violent Islamic extremists use to justify their douchbaggery. Jihad is not necessarily a violent thing.

Kudos to John Brennan for spelling "tenet" correctly.
 
2013-04-28 02:01:13 PM  

jaytkay: gerbilpox: Notice how the media calls them "ethnically Chechen"? Can you imagine the firestorm if they did that with some other ethnicity, perhaps with a different skin color? They've also described Chechnya as "their ancestral homeland."

The family identifies as Chechen. Remember the uncle on TV saying the brothers brought shame on the Chechen people?


The media started saying it before we knew anything else about them. And I don't watch TV, I just read news online, so I'm basically talking out of my arse here. :-)
 
2013-04-28 02:07:05 PM  

maggoo: atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.

"Wow, $MEMBERS_OF_RELIGION lie and plot, who would have thought."

Doesn't sound bigotted at all.


ever hear of  Taqiyah?

It is a form of lying that is acceptable in order to forward the goals of Islam.
Commonly used when dealing with infidels as a means to gain favor in a situation that
may be presently un-winnable when dealt with honestly. The subterfuge is used to gain
an advantage to later use to win the situation over to Islam.
 
2013-04-28 02:09:20 PM  
Not to continue my semi-threadjack but if anyone's interested, I just saw this article in the Toronto Star about the question of burying the older brother: http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2013/04/28/boston_marathon_bombin g s_muslims_torn_over_burial_prayers_for_tamerlan_tsaraev.html
 
2013-04-28 02:11:11 PM  
Modern islam is about 50 years old, the middle eastern version is a minority view of the faith (and even then it is sharply splintered) and using the religion as an excuse for hate is equally retarded from both sides of the equation.

/Make you a deal: I won't kill you for being a muslim, if you don't kill me because you're a muslim
 
2013-04-28 02:12:54 PM  

Norad: jehovahs witness protection: WOW@all the libs taking her side.
THIS is what's wrong with America.

You're right. Everyone needs to be like you...shoot first, ask questions later.

You know, the kind of mentality that landed the U.S. in Iraq for almost a decade.




Almost a decade?

You sound young.
lh3.ggpht.com
 
2013-04-28 02:15:49 PM  

BlaqueKatt: ever hear of Taqiyah?

It is a form of lying that is acceptable in order to forward the goals of Islam.
Commonly used when dealing with infidels as a means to gain favor in a situation that
may be presently un-winnable when dealt with honestly. The subterfuge is used to gain
an advantage to later use to win the situation over to Islam.


You sound real well-informed.

But you forgot to mention that Jews drink the blood of Christian babies.
 
2013-04-28 02:16:54 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: 3StratMan: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 400x225]

The facts do not agree with your statement.


The Fed's policy of "Let everyone in, regardless of anything, and pay no attention to them once they are here" agrees with my statement.
 
2013-04-28 02:18:04 PM  

3StratMan: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 400x225]


farm5.staticflickr.com

I still want to know if mom and dad left voluntarily, after she got into trouble for shoplifting or if they were deported.

And for those biatching about the use of the word jihad, Don't forget Bush did declare a crusade.
Don't confuse groups like the Taliban who wage true jihad with these two dumbfark pieces of shiat. You're giving them more credit than they deserve.
 
2013-04-28 02:19:33 PM  

3StratMan: The Fed's policy of "Let everyone in, regardless of anything, and pay no attention to them once they are here" agrees with my statement.


Another well-informed person.

Tell us more about that policy. And how nobody ever gets deported. Don't be stingy. Share your vast knowledge.
 
2013-04-28 02:20:32 PM  

cretinbob: I still want to know if mom and dad left voluntarily, after she got into trouble for shoplifting or if they were deported.


I think the dad left voluntarily because he was sick and wanted to die in Russia.

The mom I'm not so sure about, but I'm thinking the shoplifting case had a role in her departure.
 
2013-04-28 02:36:06 PM  
Paging Dr. Polonium...
 
2013-04-28 02:42:49 PM  
Mom and dad watched american TV shows from the 80-s, came to america to find the country they saw on the screen.  They moved to the east coast because someone already had family there, or perhaps someone knew someone from there.  They never moved away from their initial "landing" site, and since this was east coast, the only place they could afford was a shiathole.  Father had to work twice as hard in the new country, and was only able to bring back half as much.  Mother gets disillusioned, spouts off semiracist rants about "farking americans", while the father joins in with the unfairness of it all.  The older brother grows up in this home, alienated from his heritage, as well as from his adopted country.  Any sense of belonging is shattered by the parents.  He gets radicalized, or just takes the stereotype of his culture, and embodies it.  Young brother just wants to be like the big brother.


All in all, fark em.

/1st generation immigrant here
 
2013-04-28 02:56:32 PM  

Vodka Zombie: MurphyMurphy: Good, let the Russians deal with her.

Gitmo is too tropical anyways. If you're going to shut someone away for good .. nothing says hopeless despair like Siberia.

Not been to North Dakota, I see.

Okay, it's not exactly Siberia miserable, but it's close. Well... Close-ish.

Oklahoma too. Absolute hell that place. Winters are like a billion below zero, summers are a billion above.


And the state has about 2 snow plows
 
2013-04-28 02:59:41 PM  

SunsetLament: Chaghatai: Gdalescrboz: Here's the thing about Islam and jihad.  Yes, many of them disagree with why someone may be waging jihad, but as a Muslim they must accept it as a tenant of Islam and will rarely intervene.   I buy that the majority of Muslims are against violence; I don't buy that he majority of Muslims are against a member of their faith conducting a personal jihad.  This is the danger of Islam, while the majority are peaceful, they support radicals passively on a large scale

I don't buy that Muslims are any more likely to accept such personal radicalization in the name of "jihad" any more than Christians are widespread in acceptance of personal "crusades". Both faiths have a word for religiously motivated warfare but to neither rely on it any more than another as a "tenet" of their beliefs.

Oh bullshiat.  Muslims are killing people in the name of their religion all over the farking world.  The rest of the world has been suggesting/asking/begging them to stop for thousands of years.  Everybody else has cut that shiat out.  For almost 70 years, whenever a non-muslim commits an act of terrorism, every one else in that person's OWN religion denounces it and takes measures to prevent it from happening further.  The United States and Britain (alone) lost one million people trying to stamp out violence and massacres in the name of Christianity during WWII.  No Christian supports that actions of McVeigh or Rudolph (that happened 15-20 years ago, but that's how infrequently attacks in the name of Christianity occur, so we have to reach back forever to get examples).  Those jerkoffs in the Westboro Baptist Church?  They have a 0% approval rating in the Christian community.  Can the same be said of the popularity of these two a-hole brothers (or the 9/11 terrorists) in the Muslim community?  Of course not.

So you can take your moral equivalence and stick it up your ass.


More like 1400 years.
 
2013-04-28 03:01:15 PM  
The mother wasn't a Jihadist or a radicalized Muslim. She is a thief and a con artist who was running a con on her own sons. I'm willing to bet that the sons were sending money back to mom in Russia, and that the mother would say anything that she needed to to keep that money coming from her sons.
 
2013-04-28 03:02:40 PM  

BlaqueKatt: maggoo: atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.

"Wow, $MEMBERS_OF_RELIGION lie and plot, who would have thought."

Doesn't sound bigotted at all.

ever hear of  Taqiyah?

It is a form of lying that is acceptable in order to forward the goals of Islam.
Commonly used when dealing with infidels as a means to gain favor in a situation that
may be presently un-winnable when dealt with honestly. The subterfuge is used to gain
an advantage to later use to win the situation over to Islam.


Just curious -- where in the old or new testament is lying prohibited in Judaism or Christianity? Bearing false witness against your neighbor is a small subset of lying and doesn't answer the question.
 
2013-04-28 03:27:34 PM  

hardinparamedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: By all means, let's see you prove your point by CITING the purged documents.

/you won't because you're a liar.

So the only way my point could possibly be valid is if I have access to classified FBI documents used to train it's agents in how to investigate and prevent terrorism, and if I cut and paste those onto the internet for you? Otherwise, I'm lying because I point out that the only people saying this happened as the Wired article stated it was?

Yet, SkinnyHead's editorial/opinion piece from a right-wing rag is fact?

Bravo, Sir. I am in awe of your cognitive dissonance.


ftfa " And more disclosures may be forthcoming, as the FBI continues its inquiry and responds to Freedom of Information Act requests for the documents themselves. ".  Also, yet another ctrl-f doesn't support your assertion that they're all classified.  Would you like to try lying yet again?
 
2013-04-28 03:30:09 PM  

cretinbob: I still want to know if mom and dad left voluntarily, after she got into trouble for shoplifting or if they were deported.


I don't think they would have even mentioned coming back if they had been deported.
 
2013-04-28 03:57:51 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: " And more disclosures may be forthcoming, as the FBI continues its inquiry and responds to Freedom of Information Act requests for the documents themselves. ".  Also, yet another ctrl-f doesn't support your assertion that they're all classified.  Would you like to try lying yet again?


Would you like to link the documents, then, since you continue to accuse me of lying?

I mean, you can do that, right? Since you know the "truth"?
 
2013-04-28 04:12:33 PM  
Does she still want that pressure cooker for mother's day?
 
2013-04-28 04:35:14 PM  
Feed her to the siberian prison system.  And her family.  Except the uncle.
 
2013-04-28 05:30:20 PM  

hardinparamedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: " And more disclosures may be forthcoming, as the FBI continues its inquiry and responds to Freedom of Information Act requests for the documents themselves. ".  Also, yet another ctrl-f doesn't support your assertion that they're all classified.  Would you like to try lying yet again?

Would you like to link the documents, then, since you continue to accuse me of lying?

I mean, you can do that, right? Since you know the "truth"?


You cited a statement from the fbi.. that's not verification of what's in the documents.  If you're going to make a claim, you need the documents to back it up.
 
2013-04-28 05:35:27 PM  

zamboni: God-is-a-Taco: R.A.Danny: I hope she's happy with her one dead son and her other failure in Allah's eyes.

You don't get to speak for god.

Why not? The religious do it all the time. What to eat. What to wear. Hat on. Hat off. Where you stick your peener. How to treat our slaves. Who are your friends. Who are your enemies. How to get to heaven. How to end up in hell. What to read. What not to read. What to think. What god wants. What god doesn't want. Who god thinks we should kill. Who god thinks we should save. Who and what we should vote for. Who or what we should vote against. Etc, etc, etc.



Exactly. Any act of religion is equally as valid as any other.
 
2013-04-28 07:56:44 PM  
Is this a thread where we evaluate a sampling and apply that observation to a whole?
 
2013-04-28 09:26:07 PM  

mr_a: R.A.Danny: I hope she's happy with her one dead son and her other failure in Allah's eyes.

Why do I just get this image of Allah, along with every other supreme deity, shaking his head and wondering where he went wrong with humans.


.
from my observation, Allah is a Mary Sue version of God. something made up to justify killing everyone else and treating women like cattle. the Jews and christians are at least trying to learn better and stop the violence.
 
2013-04-28 09:32:12 PM  

jaytkay: 3StratMan: The Fed's policy of "Let everyone in, regardless of anything, and pay no attention to them once they are here" agrees with my statement.

Another well-informed person.

Tell us more about that policy. And how nobody ever gets deported. Don't be stingy. Share your vast knowledge.


Take a hike. Some of us don't live our lives pretending that there is no illegal immigration problem at all.
 
2013-04-28 10:34:52 PM  
This is a damn good point. I've always thought that the ten commandments were written by men who were just protecting their own shiat but were smart enough to craft loopholes in an age when explicit exclusions required way to much extra stone carving. Like the prohibition on coveting thy neighbors wife was just some guy complaining 'Bob is always looking at my wife's tits and I want it to stop but I don't want to shut down objectification of all chicks' or the very convenient thou shall not murder rather than thou shalt not kill which leaves enough wiggle room to allow a lot of justified killing.
 
2013-04-28 10:39:47 PM  
Wtf why didn't that quote? was responding to

AndreMA:
Just curious -- where in the old or new testament is lying prohibited in Judaism or Christianity? Bearing false witness against your neighbor is a small subset of lying and doesn't answer the question.
 
2013-04-29 12:10:01 AM  
be careful who you label as a "terrorist".

why isn't "the batman shooter" considered a terrorist?

he killed more.

he terrorized just as many people.

if not more.

-eat your double standard for breakfast.
 
2013-04-29 12:11:31 AM  

kettir: mr_a: R.A.Danny: I hope she's happy with her one dead son and her other failure in Allah's eyes.

Why do I just get this image of Allah, along with every other supreme deity, shaking his head and wondering where he went wrong with humans.

.
from my observation, Allah is a Mary Sue version of God. something made up to justify killing everyone else and treating women like cattle. the Jews and christians are at least trying to learn better and stop the violence.


no.

they are not.
 
2013-04-29 01:06:26 AM  

Bauer: be careful who you label as a "terrorist".

why isn't "the batman shooter" considered a terrorist?

he killed more.

he terrorized just as many people.

if not more.

-eat your double standard for breakfast.


In theory terrorism requires a political or social motivation -- an attempt to influence people to support your cause, release captives, stop supporting your enemy, remove bases from "Holy" lands, whatever.

Not that the US government always applies the definition correctly when it's inconvenient to do so.
 
2013-04-29 01:55:05 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: You cited a statement from the fbi.. that's not verification of what's in the documents.  If you're going to make a claim, you need the documents to back it up.


Wow. What a double standard you have there. So where are the documents for your proof, right? The same measure applies to your statements.

Let's go over how this discussion has gone, just to highlight how hilarious you're acting right now.

Linked article directly disproving the claim that said FARKer made in the first place, namely that the documents were purged to pander to Muslims by the Obama administration, made by a reputable journalistic source and quoting FBI spokespersons? That's blatant lies, how dare you post that, sheeple! Link classified documents or you're a liar!!!!

SkinnyHead links an editorial opinion piece from a known Right-Wing news source which has the journalistic integrity and history equivalent to that of the  Der Angiff, in which the writer makes a blatant attempt to "just ask questions" and create a controversy where none otherwise would exist, and you continue to defend it and call anyone questioning it a liar.

Next you know, you'll be telling me we've always been at war with Eastasia, and the Chocolate Ration has been increased from 0.4 to 0.3
 
2013-04-29 02:27:48 AM  

hardinparamedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: You cited a statement from the fbi.. that's not verification of what's in the documents.  If you're going to make a claim, you need the documents to back it up.

Wow. What a double standard you have there. So where are the documents for your proof, right? The same measure applies to your statements.

Let's go over how this discussion has gone, just to highlight how hilarious you're acting right now.

Linked article directly disproving the claim that said FARKer made in the first place, namely that the documents were purged to pander to Muslims by the Obama administration, made by a reputable journalistic source and quoting FBI spokespersons? That's blatant lies, how dare you post that, sheeple! Link classified documents or you're a liar!!!!

SkinnyHead links an editorial opinion piece from a known Right-Wing news source which has the journalistic integrity and history equivalent to that of the  Der Angiff, in which the writer makes a blatant attempt to "just ask questions" and create a controversy where none otherwise would exist, and you continue to defend it and call anyone questioning it a liar.

Next you know, you'll be telling me we've always been at war with Eastasia, and the Chocolate Ration has been increased from 0.4 to 0.3


You went full retard on that one.
 
2013-04-29 02:36:24 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: You went full retard on that one.


I thought it was an appropriate literary reference to the amount of sheer doublespeak and Tu Quo Quo you've put out in this thread in an attempt to either troll, or demonstrate your lack of critical thinking abilities.

If it's the former, I applaud you. If it's the later, I apologize in advance for making fun of retarded folk.
 
2013-04-29 09:52:42 AM  

hardinparamedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: You went full retard on that one.

I thought it was an appropriate literary reference to the amount of sheer doublespeak and Tu Quo Quo you've put out in this thread in an attempt to either troll, or demonstrate your lack of critical thinking abilities.

If it's the former, I applaud you. If it's the later, I apologize in advance for making fun of retarded folk.


You could have just condensed your reply to "No you!".

The fact is, you made a claim then came up with excuses as to why your claim isn't verifiable.  Everything you say is designed to distract from that fact.
 
2013-04-29 01:02:41 PM  

Silverstaff: Gdalescrboz: Here's the thing about Islam and jihad.  Yes, many of them disagree with why someone may be waging jihad, but as a Muslim they must accept it as a tenant of Islam and will rarely intervene.   I buy that the majority of Muslims are against violence; I don't buy that he majority of Muslims are against a member of their faith conducting a personal jihad.  This is the danger of Islam, while the majority are peaceful, they support radicals passively on a large scale

Jihad is NOT one of the "Five Pillars of Islam", the universal non-negotiable parts of the faith.  While common, jihad is only considered utterly essential to Twelver-Shi'a Islam.  Some Sunni scholars have tried to get it accepted as a sixth Pillar, but they are most certainly NOT a majority.

However, among other Sunni, and most Shi'a, the idea that "jihad" means armed conflict with those who are not Muslim is NOT a tenet of the faith.

In far more common, moderate, Islam, "jihad" (which literally means "struggle") is not a "holy war", but instead the effort to fight for virtue and holiness in the world.  That can be a fight for social justice, or to eloquently persuade people through speech and writing to live a more honorable and virtuous fight, or to engage in honorable military service in defense of your nation, or to serve as a police officer and fight crime, or a personal struggle to overcome temptation and base urges to live a virtuous and holy lifestyle.  The idea that it means blowing up infidels is NOT the standard definition or practice of Islam.


And yet, somehow, they just can't seem to shake this horribly misguided, popular belief.
 
2013-04-29 01:08:01 PM  

swahnhennessy: Dr.Zom: it must be weird having Robert Smith as your mom.

Or Robert DeNiro as your dad.


It's a Fat Bob either way.
 
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