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2013-04-28 10:17:55 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Yea, CNN no thank you. Let's not go which hunting.


wrong season?


www.magicnook.com
 
2013-04-28 10:18:50 AM

Bedstead Polisher: I'm not sure if anyone here knows, but what happened to their sisters? No one is mentioning them other than in that old photo of the two brothers with the two sisters.


We don't talk about that. It was.....sinister.
 
2013-04-28 10:21:45 AM

amazing_live_seamonkeys: Mrtraveler01: Who feels sorry for them? I still can't find that in the article.

FT Other A:

The older one, Tamerlan, was sociable, even showy, dressing sharply, honing his body to become an Olympic boxer. He married an American WASP, daughter of a well-to-do Rhode Island family. The younger boy, Dzhokhar, was almost instantly as American as they come: He fell for a blond beauty and won her over. He made the high school wrestling team and was popular and empathic enough to be named captain. He partied hard and studied when he had to. But over the past four years, even as members of their extended family found their piece of the American dream, the Cambridge Tsarnaevs' experience in their new land curdled. Money grew scarce, and the family went on welfare. Zubeidat was accused of stealing from a department store. Anzor's business, never prosperous, faded.

Just a couple of average white American white American kids marrying white american non-immigrant WASPS, wrestling, having empathy and stuff until their experience curdled and money just grew scarce.

The whole piece is an empathy bomb.  And poorly written at that.


Where is the empathy? I just read that and it describes a family that came to this country for opportunity and failed to succeed, there's no pity factor in this story unless you want there to be.

That's why I'm making fun of the people who think this article was written to make us feel bad for them and not to show us what happened to this family before they decided to bomb the Boston Marathon.

I mean it sucks that this family couldn't succeed in America, but that's no justification for what they did.

And I imagine the sane people who read this article would have the same sentiment. The only one who seems to think that it's supposed to have empathy for the Tsarnevs seem to be Conservatives who get over-emotional over everything.
 
2013-04-28 10:23:08 AM
What's the over/under on how many cats she has?
 
2013-04-28 10:23:09 AM

Gdalescrboz: Here's the thing about Islam and jihad.  Yes, many of them disagree with why someone may be waging jihad, but as a Muslim they must accept it as a tenant of Islam and will rarely intervene.   I buy that the majority of Muslims are against violence; I don't buy that he majority of Muslims are against a member of their faith conducting a personal jihad.  This is the danger of Islam, while the majority are peaceful, they support radicals passively on a large scale


I don't buy that Muslims are any more likely to accept such personal radicalization in the name of "jihad" any more than Christians are widespread in acceptance of personal "crusades". Both faiths have a word for religiously motivated warfare but to neither rely on it any more than another as a "tenet" of their beliefs.
 
2013-04-28 10:23:20 AM

Bedstead Polisher: I'm not sure if anyone here knows, but what happened to their sisters? No one is mentioning them other than in that old photo of the two brothers with the two sisters.


They both got married and moved away (both of them are in NJ now I think) and have basically disowned their parents.

They've tried to keep a low profile even when the New York media was hounding them.
 
2013-04-28 10:26:31 AM

amazing_live_seamonkeys: Mrtraveler01: Who feels sorry for them? I still can't find that in the article.

FT Other A:

The older one, Tamerlan, was sociable, even showy, dressing sharply, honing his body to become an Olympic boxer. He married an American WASP, daughter of a well-to-do Rhode Island family. The younger boy, Dzhokhar, was almost instantly as American as they come: He fell for a blond beauty and won her over. He made the high school wrestling team and was popular and empathic enough to be named captain. He partied hard and studied when he had to. But over the past four years, even as members of their extended family found their piece of the American dream, the Cambridge Tsarnaevs' experience in their new land curdled. Money grew scarce, and the family went on welfare. Zubeidat was accused of stealing from a department store. Anzor's business, never prosperous, faded.

Just a couple of average white American white American kids marrying white american non-immigrant WASPS, wrestling, having empathy and stuff until their experience curdled and money just grew scarce.

The whole piece is an empathy bomb.  And poorly written at that.


The empathy bombs were the ones the police found and disarmed before they could detonate.  Otherwise more people would be crying.

/too soon?
 
2013-04-28 10:29:45 AM

jehovahs witness protection: WOW@all the libs taking her side.
THIS is what's wrong with America.


Yeah, that whole presumption of innocence thing is just horrible...
 
2013-04-28 10:30:06 AM

Mrtraveler01: Bedstead Polisher: I'm not sure if anyone here knows, but what happened to their sisters? No one is mentioning them other than in that old photo of the two brothers with the two sisters.

They both got married and moved away (both of them are in NJ now I think) and have basically disowned their parents.

They've tried to keep a low profile even when the New York media was hounding them.


Ok. It's starting to bother me that Tamerlan's body is still unclaimed. It just seems like unfinished business.
/don't know why I care, but there it is.
 
2013-04-28 10:31:36 AM

Bedstead Polisher: Ok. It's starting to bother me that Tamerlan's body is still unclaimed. It just seems like unfinished business.
/don't know why I care, but there it is.


What do you expect them to do with it?
 
2013-04-28 10:34:13 AM
mr_a:

Why do I just get this image of Allah, along with every other supreme deity, shaking his head and wondering where he went wrong with humans.

I don't know, considering all deities are man made.
 
2013-04-28 10:34:19 AM

OtherLittleGuy: MurphyMurphy: Good, let the Russians deal with her.

Gitmo is too tropical anyways. If you're going to shut someone away for good .. nothing says hopeless despair like Siberia.

Nah, bring her here. The interviews with Nancy Grace would be epic.


Nancy Grace could make me take Satan's side.
 
2013-04-28 10:35:07 AM
"Attorney General Holder also responded to criticism that the surviving suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was read his Miranda rights not to be questions without a lawyer. "

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2013-04-28 10:35:43 AM

Alonjar: Bedstead Polisher: Ok. It's starting to bother me that Tamerlan's body is still unclaimed. It just seems like unfinished business.
/don't know why I care, but there it is.

What do you expect them to do with it?


I don't know, cremate it and send it to the parents? Most articles about the Tsarnaevs mention how the mom would come get her son but can't because of her shoplifting charge and how the dad wants to come but also can't. Just deal with it already.
 
2013-04-28 10:36:30 AM

Alonjar: Bedstead Polisher: Ok. It's starting to bother me that Tamerlan's body is still unclaimed. It just seems like unfinished business.
/don't know why I care, but there it is.

What do you expect them to do with it?


Sautee it and have it with some fava beans and a nice Chianti...
 
2013-04-28 10:39:21 AM
By now, I'm sure we all know the story of why "Mama" can't set foot on American soil to claim the rotting corpse of her eldest son. Nice lady. However, I'm still unsuccessful in my attempts to find out what "medical reasons" suddenly manifested themselves to prevent dear old "Dad" from coming here as well. Could it be that these poor, bereft, downtrodden refugees aren't quite what they present themselves to be?

I am not advocating Gitmo for them or whatever, innocent until proven guilty and all that, but these people are scumbags, to say the least. It's really beginning to piss me off that media outlets in this country continue to feel it necessary to provide them with screen time to further promote their lies and accusations. Enough already.
 
2013-04-28 10:43:59 AM

Bedstead Polisher: I'm not sure if anyone here knows, but what happened to their sisters? No one is mentioning them other than in that old photo of the two brothers with the two sisters.


Read the article Mrtraveler01 posted. According to the article, one sister is in jail for selling pot and the other is estranged from her family. (I wonder if she realized just how farked her family was and wanted to be as far away from them as possible for her own sake.)

Mrtraveler01: This was in today's Washington Post and I found it to be a fascinating read:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/feature/wp/2013/04/27/the-tsarnaev- fa mily-a-faded-portrait-of-an-immigrants-american-dream/?hpid=z1

 
2013-04-28 10:44:31 AM
The woods are lovely, dark and deep
But I have promises to keep
And miles to go before I sleep
And miles to go before I sleep
i43.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-28 10:45:22 AM
Jihad by shoplifting, what a loser.
 
2013-04-28 10:46:06 AM

Desmo: The woods are lovely, dark and deep
But I have promises to keep
And miles to go before I sleep
And miles to go before I sleep

i43.photobucket.com
Hijab on or not, this woman just radiates with the cray-cray.
 
2013-04-28 10:46:41 AM

jaytkay: Boston is Obama's Benghazi


No. Boston is Benghazi's Obama!
 
2013-04-28 10:49:59 AM
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2013-04-28 10:52:17 AM

mekki: Bedstead Polisher: I'm not sure if anyone here knows, but what happened to their sisters? No one is mentioning them other than in that old photo of the two brothers with the two sisters.

Read the article Mrtraveler01 posted. According to the article, one sister is in jail for selling pot and the other is estranged from her family. (I wonder if she realized just how farked her family was and wanted to be as far away from them as possible for her own sake.)

Mrtraveler01: This was in today's Washington Post and I found it to be a fascinating read:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/feature/wp/2013/04/27/the-tsarnaev- fa mily-a-faded-portrait-of-an-immigrants-american-dream/?hpid=z1


Yes, but apparently I didn't know that this article was supposed to make me feel sorry for this trainwreck of a family. If someone on Fark hadn't mentioned that to me. I would've never known.
 
2013-04-28 10:55:46 AM
I'm sure she was just encouraging her boys in their path of inner philosophical struggle, because if you weren't such an uneducated teabagger, you'd know that's what jihad means. Oh, and Christianity is exactly and equally as bad in every way. Have I covered all the FarkLib™   bases here?
 
2013-04-28 10:58:27 AM

mekki: Read the article Mrtraveler01 posted. According to the article, one sister is in jail for selling pot and the other is estranged from her family. (I wonder if she realized just how farked her family was and wanted to be as far away from them as possible for her own sake.)


I clicked it then ctrl+F for "sister" but didn't get any results other than the photo caption. Then I posted my question here.
 
2013-04-28 10:59:24 AM

atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.


7/10
 
2013-04-28 10:59:26 AM

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: I'm sure she was just encouraging her boys in their path of inner philosophical struggle, because if you weren't such an uneducated teabagger, you'd know that's what jihad means. Oh, and Christianity is exactly and equally as bad in every way. Have I covered all the FarkLib™   bases here?


I know you were trying to be snarky but you're actually not far off from the truth.

Jihad doesn't necessarily mean violence. And yes, apparently uneducated Tea Partiers don't know that.

Thank you for your contribution.
 
2013-04-28 11:01:09 AM
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anna da tie fighter flies inna like dis, "ppppsssssshhhh"
 
2013-04-28 11:01:46 AM

Bedstead Polisher: mekki: Read the article Mrtraveler01 posted. According to the article, one sister is in jail for selling pot and the other is estranged from her family. (I wonder if she realized just how farked her family was and wanted to be as far away from them as possible for her own sake.)

I clicked it then ctrl+F for "sister" but didn't get any results other than the photo caption. Then I posted my question here.


No worries. Let me help.

The couple's two daughters, Bella and Ailina, moved to New Jersey, where Bella was arrested in December, along with a man named Ahmad Khalil, and charged with possession of and intent to distribute marijuana. A man who answered the intercom at Bella's apartment said she had moved out several months ago. From behind the door of her apartment in West New York, Ailina, 22, told reporters that she had been out of touch with her family.

They weren't referred to as sisters to the terrorists in the article.
 
2013-04-28 11:02:01 AM

Mrtraveler01: mekki: Bedstead Polisher: I'm not sure if anyone here knows, but what happened to their sisters? No one is mentioning them other than in that old photo of the two brothers with the two sisters.

Read the article Mrtraveler01 posted. According to the article, one sister is in jail for selling pot and the other is estranged from her family. (I wonder if she realized just how farked her family was and wanted to be as far away from them as possible for her own sake.)

Mrtraveler01: This was in today's Washington Post and I found it to be a fascinating read:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/feature/wp/2013/04/27/the-tsarnaev- fa mily-a-faded-portrait-of-an-immigrants-american-dream/?hpid=z1

Yes, but apparently I didn't know that this article was supposed to make me feel sorry for this trainwreck of a family. If someone on Fark hadn't mentioned that to me. I would've never known.


I don't feel sorry for the family after having read that. Instead, it confirmed what I already thought, that this bombing had little to do with Islam and more to do with the individuals who were a Ferris wheel short of being carnies and thought the world owed them something just for existing. And since the world didn't give them all they thought they should deserve, well, BOOM.

If it hadn't been Islam, the excuse would have been something different and the end result would have been the same.

I wish the best for the estranged sister because having born with those genes, she is going to need it.
 
2013-04-28 11:03:38 AM

R.A.Danny: I hope she's happy with her one dead son and her other failure in Allah's eyes.


You don't get to speak for god.
 
2013-04-28 11:03:53 AM
She's in America? Time to put her on a no-flight list and investigate the shiat out of her. If she knew anything beforehand, try her and send her to jail for a few decades.
 
2013-04-28 11:05:09 AM

Mrtraveler01: The First Four Katy Perry Albums: I'm sure she was just encouraging her boys in their path of inner philosophical struggle, because if you weren't such an uneducated teabagger, you'd know that's what jihad means. Oh, and Christianity is exactly and equally as bad in every way. Have I covered all the FarkLib™   bases here?

I know you were trying to be snarky but you're actually not far off from the truth.

Jihad doesn't necessarily mean violence. And yes, apparently uneducated Tea Partiers don't know that.

Thank you for your contribution.


Everyone knows the first four Katy Perry albums will stand the test of time. Also, jihad.
 
2013-04-28 11:06:03 AM

mekki: I wish the best for the estranged sister because having born with those genes, she is going to need it.


William Patrick Stuart-Houston knows that feel.

davidfeldmanshow.com
 
2013-04-28 11:06:36 AM

mekki: I don't feel sorry for the family after having read that. Instead, it confirmed what I already thought, that this bombing had little to do with Islam and more to do with the individuals who were a Ferris wheel short of being carnies and thought the world owed them something just for existing. And since the world didn't give them all they thought they should deserve, well, BOOM.

If it hadn't been Islam, the excuse would have been something different and the end result would have been the same.


Me either.

It just shows that the theory that a screwed up family like this can be prime targets for recruitment by folks like violent Islamic radicals.

But if you read the comment section of the article, you'll see everyone complaining that the article is sympathetic to the family. The fact that the people who are complaining are Conservatives must be a coincidence.
 
2013-04-28 11:06:42 AM
As raw as my nerves are about this, I'm not gonna jump to conclusions from a vague article about a vague conversation. "Jihad" has a broader meaning than we westerners ascribe to it. We assume the only meaning is malicious and violent. Jihad literally means struggle in the service of God. Which can mean many things, such as to better oneself through inner spirituality.

Compare "crusade" and what muslims assume it means when Westerners use it. Westerners often use it to mean a renewed effort or a collective effort toward a specific goal. Muslims hear "religious war against non-Christians in the Holy Land".
 
2013-04-28 11:08:38 AM
Everyone in this thread has now had a vague conversation about "jihad".

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2013-04-28 11:11:52 AM

StopLurkListen: As raw as my nerves are about this, I'm not gonna jump to conclusions from a vague article about a vague conversation. "Jihad" has a broader meaning than we westerners ascribe to it. We assume the only meaning is malicious and violent. Jihad literally means struggle in the service of God. Which can mean many things, such as to better oneself through inner spirituality.

Compare "crusade" and what muslims assume it means when Westerners use it. Westerners often use it to mean a renewed effort or a collective effort toward a specific goal. Muslims hear "religious war against non-Christians in the Holy Land".


What if I go on a jihad crusade? Jk, really salient point.
 
2013-04-28 11:13:32 AM

amazing_live_seamonkeys: If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x573]


Holy shiat, it's Travis Bickle!
 
2013-04-28 11:13:32 AM

amazing_live_seamonkeys: If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x573]


Why do I see Roman Polanski, Amy Winehouse and Edward James Olmos?
 
2013-04-28 11:13:49 AM
I wish I had the talent to look at a picture and tell by the way the a person is sitting or looking that a person is a drama queen, crazy, and/or a terrorist.

"There is nothing more exhilarating than pointing out the (imagined) shortcomings of others, is there?"
viewaskew.com
 
2013-04-28 11:14:14 AM

Mrtraveler01: They weren't referred to as sisters to the terrorists in the article.


Thanks. I went back and read most of it. I thought MY family was screwed up, sheeshia
the older brother also sounds like he was severely depressed and perhaps turned to religion to find answers. The whole family sounds as though they don't think rules apply to them, so they do what they want. Best of luck to that one estranged sister.
 
2013-04-28 11:18:07 AM

BgJonson79: Silverstaff: Gdalescrboz: Here's the thing about Islam and jihad.  Yes, many of them disagree with why someone may be waging jihad, but as a Muslim they must accept it as a tenant of Islam and will rarely intervene.   I buy that the majority of Muslims are against violence; I don't buy that he majority of Muslims are against a member of their faith conducting a personal jihad.  This is the danger of Islam, while the majority are peaceful, they support radicals passively on a large scale

Jihad is NOT one of the "Five Pillars of Islam", the universal non-negotiable parts of the faith.  While common, jihad is only considered utterly essential to Twelver-Shi'a Islam.  Some Sunni scholars have tried to get it accepted as a sixth Pillar, but they are most certainly NOT a majority.

However, among other Sunni, and most Shi'a, the idea that "jihad" means armed conflict with those who are not Muslim is NOT a tenet of the faith.

In far more common, moderate, Islam, "jihad" (which literally means "struggle") is not a "holy war", but instead the effort to fight for virtue and holiness in the world.  That can be a fight for social justice, or to eloquently persuade people through speech and writing to live a more honorable and virtuous fight, or to engage in honorable military service in defense of your nation, or to serve as a police officer and fight crime, or a personal struggle to overcome temptation and base urges to live a virtuous and holy lifestyle.  The idea that it means blowing up infidels is NOT the standard definition or practice of Islam.

This!!!


No, not this. When the author of a religion is not a peaceful man, you can't expect his follows to be peaceful. Sorry, but Muhammad wasn't a peaceful fellow. Muslims can distort the truth, history and meaning of their religion and its founder all they want to make it seem that it's a religion of peace, but there's no denying the fact that Muhammad was a violent person who spread the growth of Islam by way of the sword.
 
2013-04-28 11:18:31 AM

Mrtraveler01: mekki: I don't feel sorry for the family after having read that. Instead, it confirmed what I already thought, that this bombing had little to do with Islam and more to do with the individuals who were a Ferris wheel short of being carnies and thought the world owed them something just for existing. And since the world didn't give them all they thought they should deserve, well, BOOM.

If it hadn't been Islam, the excuse would have been something different and the end result would have been the same.

Me either.

It just shows that the theory that a screwed up family like this can be prime targets for recruitment by folks like violent Islamic radicals.

But if you read the comment section of the article, you'll see everyone complaining that the article is sympathetic to the family. The fact that the people who are complaining are Conservatives must be a coincidence.


Then they must have read a different story than I did because the article painted them to be a bunch of low life deadbeat thieves and drug dealers. Hardly the stuff that will strike up sympathy for most people.
 
2013-04-28 11:23:55 AM

atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.


George Takei told me the other day on facebook that Muslims think of "extremist muslim terrorists" the same way that Christians think of the Westoboro assholes.

Which was funny, until I considered that as crazy as they are, the Westoboro people don't have a massive body count, which now makes me think that Muslims may be incredibly morally ignorant, if what George Takei says is true.

Way to insult Islam, George Takei.
 
2013-04-28 11:24:25 AM

MurphyMurphy: Good, let the Russians deal with her.

Gitmo is too tropical anyways. If you're going to shut someone away for good .. nothing says hopeless despair like Siberia.


danhairfield.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-28 11:31:07 AM
Merriam Webster:


Definition of  TENANT1a : one who holds or possesses real estate or sometimes personal property (as a security) by any kind of rightb : one who has the occupation or temporary possession of lands or tenements of another;  specifically : one who rents or leases (as a house) from a landlord

and


Definition of  TENET: a principle, belief, or doctrine generally held to be true;especially : one held in common by members of an organization, movement, or profession

Just in case anyone missed the difference.
 
2013-04-28 11:31:45 AM

jehovahs witness protection: WOW@all the libs taking her side.
THIS is what's wrong with America.


oh for fark's sake. We're not taking her side, we just don't see the evidence that she was  actually in on this. Hell, even the article doesn't say that she was discussing the bombing with her sons, just that they had mentioned something about jihad back in 2011.

Was it more of "So I want you to take jihad to people we have qualms with" or was it more "So the Flanderyeches down the road were going on about some jihad. Stupid Flanderyeches"

Both mention jihad, but they're completely different statements. To jump the gun like you and  atomicmask are doing without due process and a fair trial is what's wrong with this country, not the people that want to see justice instead of an angry mob
 
2013-04-28 11:32:02 AM

Wayne 985: MurphyMurphy: Good, let the Russians deal with her.

Gitmo is too tropical anyways. If you're going to shut someone away for good .. nothing says hopeless despair like Siberia.


Now reading in Bane voice. Siberia is so great to say in Bane voice.
 
2013-04-28 11:33:30 AM
Ok, we had the FBI interviewing these people, and the Russians were specifically listening to them as well?  So two of the most powerful governments were this focused on these individuals, but were somehow completely ineffective at preventing this from happening?   I'm going to have to give points to conspiracy theorists for calling this one.
 
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