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2013-04-28 09:01:38 AM

Giltric: So it was an attempt at jihad which means it was Muslim terrorism...right?


Yeah yeah but Eric Rudolph.....jeez you say that after every attempted or successful Muslim attack.....


Yes, but it doesn't mean that all Muslims are terrorists or support terror.

But that doesn't stop the retards from thinking otherwise does it?
 
2013-04-28 09:01:48 AM

jehovahs witness protection: WOW@all the libs taking her side.
THIS is what's wrong with America.


Which thread are you reading?
 
2013-04-28 09:02:48 AM
assets.nydailynews.com

"You tell kids that not everyone wants multiple piercings, but do they listen? Whaddaya gonna do?"

"I told them to place it higher. I wanted their heads to go like this."

/window seat, please
 
2013-04-28 09:03:15 AM

maggoo: atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.

"Wow, $MEMBERS_OF_RELIGION lie and plot, who would have thought."

Doesn't sound bigotted at all.


I see you haven't read his posts/thoughts about Muslims before.

He basically compares them to Nazis in a way that only makes sense in his imagination.

I just point and laugh at him.
 
2013-04-28 09:04:37 AM

maggoo: The newspiece only claims that she might have had a conversation with one of her sons way back in 2011 where jihad may or may not have been mentioned in some point, but it was too vague for them to tell.

Yeah, that's plenty of reason to put her on death row.


Hey libtard! This is a kneejerk lynch mob and you're either for us or against us. If you're going to start doing stuff like thinking and get your panties in a bunch over bullshiat like justice and the presumption of innocence then maybe you should go hang out in the male lingerie thread.

You sicken me.
 
2013-04-28 09:10:42 AM

Gdalescrboz: Here's the thing about Islam and jihad.  Yes, many of them disagree with why someone may be waging jihad, but as a Muslim they must accept it as a tenant of Islam and will rarely intervene.   I buy that the majority of Muslims are against violence; I don't buy that he majority of Muslims are against a member of their faith conducting a personal jihad.  This is the danger of Islam, while the majority are peaceful, they support radicals passively on a large scale


Jihad is NOT one of the "Five Pillars of Islam", the universal non-negotiable parts of the faith.  While common, jihad is only considered utterly essential to Twelver-Shi'a Islam.  Some Sunni scholars have tried to get it accepted as a sixth Pillar, but they are most certainly NOT a majority.

However, among other Sunni, and most Shi'a, the idea that "jihad" means armed conflict with those who are not Muslim is NOT a tenet of the faith.

In far more common, moderate, Islam, "jihad" (which literally means "struggle") is not a "holy war", but instead the effort to fight for virtue and holiness in the world.  That can be a fight for social justice, or to eloquently persuade people through speech and writing to live a more honorable and virtuous fight, or to engage in honorable military service in defense of your nation, or to serve as a police officer and fight crime, or a personal struggle to overcome temptation and base urges to live a virtuous and holy lifestyle.  The idea that it means blowing up infidels is NOT the standard definition or practice of Islam.
 
2013-04-28 09:12:48 AM

jehovahs witness protection: WOW@all the libs taking her side.
THIS is what's wrong with America.


You're right. Everyone needs to be like you...shoot first, ask questions later.

You know, the kind of mentality that landed the U.S. in Iraq for almost a decade.
 
2013-04-28 09:17:34 AM
That's not what the article actually said, Subby.

And at this point, while everyone else in the family is done with the media and avoiding it like the plague, mom is grabbing her fifteen minutes of fame, even if it is infamy, and milking it like an Oklahoma dairy hand. Ten bucks says she going to get a book deal out of this. And a 60 minutes interview in a few weeks. Twenty bucks says that if we come back to her in five years time, I bet she will have dropped the whole "devote Muslim" routine and will be back to her old self and she will be coming about with another book telling how wrong she was about the first book. There's just something of a con artist about her.

I've said it once and I'll say it again, this bombing wasn't about defending Islam, it was about being a psychopath attention whore. There was no agenda outside of blowing stuff up because the brothers had a chip on their shoulder.

/this family is as Muslim as the WBC is as Christian
 
2013-04-28 09:18:08 AM

atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.


You in no way sound paranoid and unbalanced by saying something that blanketed. Nope. Not at all.

Of course, you're the guy who, in the past, has championed Arab Genocide on the virtue of them being Arab, so why would this be unexpected.
 
2013-04-28 09:19:26 AM

atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.


I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
Should ever be forgot...

/has nothing to do with this
//the brain is kinda squishy this morning
 
2013-04-28 09:21:31 AM

Norad: You're right. Everyone needs to be like you...shoot first, ask questions later.

You know, the kind of mentality that landed the U.S. in Iraq for almost a decade.


QUIET YOU.  Jehovas Witness Protection does not need your unamerican critical thinking! He demands someone to blame!

You question his line of thinking, you're a terrorist too!
 
2013-04-28 09:23:04 AM
Whoah... not sure if you're reading this thread but thanks for the TF kindly sponsorlike dude. ;-)

Screw you, filthy liters! I've arrived!!!

*fart*
jk
 
2013-04-28 09:23:05 AM

Lehk: so you want me to believe a word the Russian government says about a Chechen?

next you'll be asking me to believe the Israelis about a Palestinian.


Good point.
 
2013-04-28 09:24:53 AM

Norad: Fark headline: "Yeah, the nutty Chechen mom was in on it"...

Article doesn't say that at all. That's not even close to what this story says.

Didn't we learn our lesson about smearing people over this bombing from the armchair detective retards over at Reddit?


You rag on reddit but it was official news stations that incorrectly pointed to the wrong person in the new town shooting which ruined the kids life. ( has he files a lawsuit yet?)
 
2013-04-28 09:25:51 AM

hardinparamedic: Norad: You're right. Everyone needs to be like you...shoot first, ask questions later.

You know, the kind of mentality that landed the U.S. in Iraq for almost a decade.

QUIET YOU.  Jehovas Witness Protection does not need your unamerican critical thinking! He demands someone to blame!

You question his line of thinking, you're a terrorist too!


Critical thinking is for pussies!
 
2013-04-28 09:29:00 AM
Not really a lot of info to go on. "Discussing jihad" could be as benign as talking about it in the abstract. Hell, we discuss jihad every day here on Fark. We're obviously monsters, all.

As for her saying that the bombings were fake, yes, it is crazy. But you'd be glad if your own mother believed so well in you.

In short, this woman may or may not be a part of the reason why her sons did what they did. But nothing yet points directly to her involvement as anything other than a mother.
 
2013-04-28 09:30:43 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
Can't wait till the house lands on the biatch.
 
2013-04-28 09:32:59 AM

jaytkay: Talking to my mom on the phone, I've probably said something like, "That 9/11 bombing was terrible."

If I went bananas and became notorious, that would be described "the suspect had discussed terrorism with his mother".


They have you for discussing terrorism on an internet forum now!

/And me too
//Runs away
 
2013-04-28 09:33:11 AM

Gdalescrboz: they must accept it as a tenant of Islam


That's a strict landlord!
 
2013-04-28 09:33:25 AM
If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

www.washingtonpost.com
 
2013-04-28 09:35:48 AM
I still want to know more about this mysterious "Misha" person. There's a serious "Homeland" vibe about him.
 
2013-04-28 09:35:54 AM

amazing_live_seamonkeys: If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x573]


Who exactly is saying that beside the voices in your head?
 
2013-04-28 09:37:04 AM
 
2013-04-28 09:37:32 AM

Mrtraveler01: amazing_live_seamonkeys: If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x573]

Who exactly is saying that beside the voices in your head?


The Post.  Also, the voices in my head asked me to tell you to stop talking about them.
 
2013-04-28 09:37:33 AM

amazing_live_seamonkeys: If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x573]


it must be weird having Robert Smith as your mom.
 
2013-04-28 09:38:54 AM
FTFA: This source described the conversation as vague.

I hope none of you mentioned that you blew your nose over the phone.

Cause you know that blowing your nose is the same as blowing up a IED.
 
2013-04-28 09:39:33 AM

Dr.Zom: amazing_live_seamonkeys: If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x573]

it must be weird having Robert Smith as your mom.


And Cliff Clavin as your granddad.
 
2013-04-28 09:40:30 AM

LeoffDaGrate: jehovahs witness protection: WOW@all the libs taking her side.
THIS is what's wrong with America.

Wait. I thought you were true to the tenants of the Constitution.  Don't you believe in all that jibbly-jobbly stuff about law and "innocent before proven guilty?  Apparently not.


If he's the typical Conservative, then he believes those rights only belong to white people and no one else.
 
2013-04-28 09:40:47 AM

amazing_live_seamonkeys: Mrtraveler01: amazing_live_seamonkeys: If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x573]

Who exactly is saying that beside the voices in your head?

The Post.  Also, the voices in my head asked me to tell you to stop talking about them.


Yeah...I read the article in The Post and that was NOT the impression I got.

But by reading the comments section below the article, you're not alone in sharing your idiocy.
 
2013-04-28 09:43:47 AM

Dr.Zom: it must be weird having Robert Smith as your mom.


Or Robert DeNiro as your dad.
 
2013-04-28 09:43:48 AM

Gdalescrboz: Here's the thing about Islam and jihad.  Yes, many of them disagree with why someone may be waging jihad, but as a Muslim they must accept it as a tenant of Islam and will rarely intervene.   I buy that the majority of Muslims are against violence; I don't buy that he majority of Muslims are against a member of their faith conducting a personal jihad.  This is the danger of Islam, while the majority are peaceful, they support radicals passively on a large scale


Educated, orthodox Muslims consider violent jihad as espoused by many Salafi clerics to be a heresy, in much the same way that most Christians are against anti-abortion clinic bombers. Jihad means "struggle," and most interpret that to mean a personal struggle to live up to the five pillars of Islam.

But abortion nuts don't have the entire Saudi aristocracy and all its oil money backing their heresy, so you have a lot more violent heretics in the Muslim world than in 'Murica.
 
2013-04-28 09:44:59 AM

Mrtraveler01: amazing_live_seamonkeys: Mrtraveler01: amazing_live_seamonkeys: If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x573]

Who exactly is saying that beside the voices in your head?

The Post.  Also, the voices in my head asked me to tell you to stop talking about them.

Yeah...I read the article in The Post and that was NOT the impression I got.

But by reading the comments section below the article, you're not alone in sharing your idiocy.


Free to gather what you will, but hard to feel sorry for a bunch of folks who were given welfare, subsidized housing and opportunities beyond anything they could have had in Russia/Chechnya, then choosing to steal from their fellow citizens, do a bunch of drugs and hate kill innocent people.  Haven't seen that distorted and hypocritical of a worldview since I got a job and stopped hanging out with grad students.
 
2013-04-28 09:46:09 AM

markfara: PC LOAD LETTER: I suspected both of the parents were nuts. It wasn't out of the question that they were an influence in them doing this. Welcome to the crazy branch of everyone's family. Just that my crazy branch doesn't commit mass murder.

First thing I wondered when this all came out. What kind of sh*t were these kids exposed to on a daily basis while they were growing up? For that matter, what kind of family moves here from some sh*thole like Chechnya, then teaches their kids that OUR nation sucks?

Just stay home, assholes.


They weren't handed a luxurious lifestyle at the taxpayer's expense. They should have fled to Europe.
 
2013-04-28 09:47:12 AM

amazing_live_seamonkeys: Mrtraveler01: amazing_live_seamonkeys: Mrtraveler01: amazing_live_seamonkeys: If only we'd given them more welfare and subsidized housing, the American Dream wouldn't have failed them or something, something...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x573]

Who exactly is saying that beside the voices in your head?

The Post.  Also, the voices in my head asked me to tell you to stop talking about them.

Yeah...I read the article in The Post and that was NOT the impression I got.

But by reading the comments section below the article, you're not alone in sharing your idiocy.

Free to gather what you will, but hard to feel sorry for a bunch of folks who were given welfare, subsidized housing and opportunities beyond anything they could have had in Russia/Chechnya, then choosing to steal from their fellow citizens, do a bunch of drugs and hate kill innocent people.  Haven't seen that distorted and hypocritical of a worldview since I got a job and stopped hanging out with grad students.


Who feels sorry for them? I still can't find that in the article.
 
2013-04-28 09:47:21 AM

maggoo: The newspiece only claims that she might have had a conversation with one of her sons way back in 2011 where jihad may or may not have been mentioned in some point, but it was too vague for them to tell.

Yeah, that's plenty of reason to put her on death row.


Precisely.

We're all discussing jihad in equally specific terms in this thread, so let's send Drew to GTMO.
 
2013-04-28 09:48:28 AM

atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.


Yep.  Every man (and woman) jack of them.
 
2013-04-28 09:49:47 AM

mbillips: But abortion nuts don't have the entire Saudi aristocracy and all its oil money backing their heresy, so you have a lot more violent heretics in the Muslim world than in 'Murica.


That must be why Saudi Arabia booted out Osama bin Laden, whose money came from the family construction business? Or are you attempting to make some point that I'm missing?
 
2013-04-28 09:50:11 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: atomicmask: Wow, muslims lie and plot, who would have thought.

Yep.  Every man (and woman) jack of them.


Giggity
 
2013-04-28 09:53:30 AM

Gdalescrboz: they must accept it as a tenant of Islam


LeoffDaGrate: I thought you were true to the tenants of the Constitution.


TENETS, goddammit, TENETS!

/i'm fighting a losing battle, aren't i
 
2013-04-28 09:54:51 AM

mr_a: Why do I just get this image of Allah, along with every other supreme deity, shaking his head and wondering where he went wrong with humans.


It's that free will thing. Some humans use it correctly, others. not so much....
 
2013-04-28 09:55:22 AM

here to help: jehovahs witness protection: WOW@all the libs taking her side.
THIS is what's wrong with America.

Which thread are you reading?


The same one as you and me, however with many of the more hard core Conservatives, anyone who doesn't advocate killing all Muslims is a Liberal taking the side of the terrorists.
 
2013-04-28 10:01:18 AM

AndreMA: mbillips: But abortion nuts don't have the entire Saudi aristocracy and all its oil money backing their heresy, so you have a lot more violent heretics in the Muslim world than in 'Murica.

That must be why Saudi Arabia booted out Osama bin Laden, whose money came from the family construction business? Or are you attempting to make some point that I'm missing?


I think he's making the point that Saudi Arabia is more involved with terrorists than the government would have you believe, which I actually agree with.  Most of the guys involved with 9/11 came from Saudi
Arabia.
 
2013-04-28 10:03:57 AM

Mrtraveler01: Who feels sorry for them? I still can't find that in the article.


FT Other A:

The older one, Tamerlan, was sociable, even showy, dressing sharply, honing his body to become an Olympic boxer. He married an American WASP, daughter of a well-to-do Rhode Island family. The younger boy, Dzhokhar, was almost instantly as American as they come: He fell for a blond beauty and won her over. He made the high school wrestling team and was popular and empathic enough to be named captain. He partied hard and studied when he had to. But over the past four years, even as members of their extended family found their piece of the American dream, the Cambridge Tsarnaevs' experience in their new land curdled. Money grew scarce, and the family went on welfare. Zubeidat was accused of stealing from a department store. Anzor's business, never prosperous, faded.

Just a couple of average white American white American kids marrying white american non-immigrant WASPS, wrestling, having empathy and stuff until their experience curdled and money just grew scarce.

The whole piece is an empathy bomb.  And poorly written at that.
 
2013-04-28 10:04:15 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-28 10:05:09 AM
Not to ruin the narrative or anything, but THEY'RE NOT FROM CHECHNYA. They're from Dagestan.

Notice how the media calls them "ethnically Chechen"? Can you imagine the firestorm if they did that with some other ethnicity, perhaps with a different skin color? They've also described Chechnya as "their ancestral homeland."

"North Korean bombers! What? They immigrated from South Korea 10 years ago, and one's an American citizen? OK, but they're ethnically North Korean."

"Israeli bombers! What, they're from Jordan? But they're Palestinian, so Israel is their ancestral homeland."

"OK, sure, he was born in the U.S., but he's ethnically Kenyan."

Also, for Chechen separatists to attack us would be like the Confederacy attacking Russia. It makes no sense at all. Even the extremist, terrorist, Islamic fundamentalists there disclaim responsibility for Boston. As they said, "our enemy is Russia." Why didn't the older one stay there for that fight, rather than blow up a foot race on the far side of the world?

Oh, wait, they now say the brothers had no connection to foreign groups. So it had nothing to do with the place they never lived. Go figure.

/geography nazi
 
2013-04-28 10:10:46 AM

Norad: Fark headline: "Yeah, the nutty Chechen mom was in on it"...

Article doesn't say that at all. That's not even close to what this story says.

Didn't we learn our lesson about smearing people over this bombing from the armchair detective retards over at Reddit?


Agreed.  It's one thing to have a misleading headline.  It's completely another to falsely accuse someone of a crime.
 
2013-04-28 10:13:39 AM
Ma Barker in a headscarf.
 
2013-04-28 10:16:57 AM
assets.nydailynews.com
"and then  I say NO, Motorboat goes like THIS"
 
2013-04-28 10:17:16 AM
I'm not sure if anyone here knows, but what happened to their sisters? No one is mentioning them other than in that old photo of the two brothers with the two sisters.
 
2013-04-28 10:17:43 AM

Silverstaff: Gdalescrboz: Here's the thing about Islam and jihad.  Yes, many of them disagree with why someone may be waging jihad, but as a Muslim they must accept it as a tenant of Islam and will rarely intervene.   I buy that the majority of Muslims are against violence; I don't buy that he majority of Muslims are against a member of their faith conducting a personal jihad.  This is the danger of Islam, while the majority are peaceful, they support radicals passively on a large scale

Jihad is NOT one of the "Five Pillars of Islam", the universal non-negotiable parts of the faith.  While common, jihad is only considered utterly essential to Twelver-Shi'a Islam.  Some Sunni scholars have tried to get it accepted as a sixth Pillar, but they are most certainly NOT a majority.

However, among other Sunni, and most Shi'a, the idea that "jihad" means armed conflict with those who are not Muslim is NOT a tenet of the faith.

In far more common, moderate, Islam, "jihad" (which literally means "struggle") is not a "holy war", but instead the effort to fight for virtue and holiness in the world.  That can be a fight for social justice, or to eloquently persuade people through speech and writing to live a more honorable and virtuous fight, or to engage in honorable military service in defense of your nation, or to serve as a police officer and fight crime, or a personal struggle to overcome temptation and base urges to live a virtuous and holy lifestyle.  The idea that it means blowing up infidels is NOT the standard definition or practice of Islam.


This!!!
 
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