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2013-04-28 07:26:56 AM  

bbfreak: yourmomlovestetris: letrole: The cognitive dissonance amongst the abortionists in this thread is amusing.

This. We wimmens want that "womb reset button" so badly that we're apparently willing to throw our fellow females under the bus. (Not that banning abortion would put a stop to it in any way, but there's no reason why in a country that's as rich and well educated as ours, that any woman should be without reliable contraception. And those women who refuse to use it responsibly when it's available should be pressured and shamed for not doing so.)

I think there's a big difference between a young teenager or poor mother tearfully agreeing to an abortion out of fear of being unable to handle a new baby, and a douchebag couple who wants to "design" their perfect crotch spawn. What's next, aborting a fetus for having the wrong color hair? How about aborting a fetus because it's gay? (Should there ever be a way of determining a child's sexual orientation in the womb.)  Abortion should be the tool of last resort--an act of desperation. Not a tool for creating the perfect cuddly little accessories to mom's fabulous life....

The point I was trying to make at the very least is that why a woman wants an abortion should be none of the government's business in my opinion. It is her body and her choice. I fail to see why we should be outraged over people making a choice if it harms no person. Especially if we don't agree with the said decision.

Secondly abortion statistics would hint that most women agree with you on it being a last resort. I know the abortion rate in the USA is very low, and wouldn't be surprised if it was the same elsewhere it is legal. so women aren't getting abortions willy nilly, and I doubt many people are willing to use it as a way to have a designer baby (before we have a more direct way of doing so. Think Gattaca).

One last point. I don't agree with your encouragement of shaming women who don't use contraceptives properly. There are two responsible ...


I like you, and you speak some truth.
 
2013-04-28 07:28:50 AM  
So what?  There is nothing wrong with abortion and it doesn't matter WHY they feel like getting one.  Maybe there is a possible birth defect.  Maybe you're jobless asses can't really support a baby and you aren't so reckless as to demand the state(taxpayers) do it for you.  Maybe you have a gender preference.  Maybe you don't like the fact that the conception occurred on a Wednesday.

It doesn't matter because all you are ending is cell division.  More people should get abortions.  That is all.
 
2013-04-28 07:30:37 AM  

mekki: bbfreak: You either believe in abortion or you don't

It isn't that black and white. I believe in choice. But I feel that some choices are more ethical than others. Abortions to save the woman's life? Yes. Abortions in cases of rape and/or incest? Yes. Abortions because your partner doesn't like the gender of the baby? I still believe you have the right to an abortion but, damn, that's shady.


Shady or not it isn't your choice because it isn't your body. You may disagree but who is harmed in the resulting decision? Certainly not a person. Ultimately it's up to the woman, husband or not to make her own decisions no matter how influenced she is by her husband. If anything I would be fine with abortion clinics making sure the woman doesn't feel pressured but firmly believe it is nobody's business why a woman wants an abortion as long as she isn't pressured into such a thing.
 
2013-04-28 07:37:55 AM  

sigdiamond2000: Welcome to Obama's America.


Except It's Australia.

.... and I'll bet it's not white dudes (or black dudes) ... I'll bet it's yellow or brown dudes.
 
2013-04-28 07:51:54 AM  
I am pro-choice, but not pro-everything. Why not allow gender-based abortion? Because we have plenty of examples of why that is a bad thing. Mess up the ratio if men and women too much, it creates an imbalanced society and many people unable to find a mate. In China and India the cities are filled with the surplus of single men which are causing crime to go up because these men have no prospects or boundaries. That's why China is considering relaxing the one-child rule.
 
2013-04-28 07:54:32 AM  
ID-10-T alert....
 
2013-04-28 08:00:16 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: bbfreak: yourmomlovestetris: letrole: The cognitive dissonance amongst the abortionists in this thread is amusing.

This. We wimmens want that "womb reset button" so badly that we're apparently willing to throw our fellow females under the bus. (Not that banning abortion would put a stop to it in any way, but there's no reason why in a country that's as rich and well educated as ours, that any woman should be without reliable contraception. And those women who refuse to use it responsibly when it's available should be pressured and shamed for not doing so.)

I think there's a big difference between a young teenager or poor mother tearfully agreeing to an abortion out of fear of being unable to handle a new baby, and a douchebag couple who wants to "design" their perfect crotch spawn. What's next, aborting a fetus for having the wrong color hair? How about aborting a fetus because it's gay? (Should there ever be a way of determining a child's sexual orientation in the womb.)  Abortion should be the tool of last resort--an act of desperation. Not a tool for creating the perfect cuddly little accessories to mom's fabulous life....

The point I was trying to make at the very least is that why a woman wants an abortion should be none of the government's business in my opinion. It is her body and her choice. I fail to see why we should be outraged over people making a choice if it harms no person. Especially if we don't agree with the said decision.

Secondly abortion statistics would hint that most women agree with you on it being a last resort. I know the abortion rate in the USA is very low, and wouldn't be surprised if it was the same elsewhere it is legal. so women aren't getting abortions willy nilly, and I doubt many people are willing to use it as a way to have a designer baby (before we have a more direct way of doing so. Think Gattaca).

One last point. I don't agree with your encouragement of shaming women who don't use contraceptives properly. There are two responsible ...

I like you, and you speak some truth.


Thanks.
 
2013-04-28 08:02:38 AM  

Lorelle: One of Australia's biggest abortion clinics has revealed that parents have requested abortions on gender grounds - although it is "extremely rare" and always refused.

The Fertility Control Clinic - Victoria's biggest abortion provider - told the Senate inquiry that 96 per cent of abortions are performed before 12 weeks' gestation, when it is too early to know the sex.

So anti-abortionists in Australia managed to find  one rare case of abortion based on gender, and are using that to try to impose restrictions on abortion. Sounds like the fetus-obsessed, pro-forced-childbirth nuts in the U.S.


Actually, more like racism.

This practice is common in India to avoid dowries, despite it being illegal.
 
2013-04-28 08:06:39 AM  

bborchar: I am pro-choice, but not pro-everything. Why not allow gender-based abortion? Because we have plenty of examples of why that is a bad thing. Mess up the ratio if men and women too much, it creates an imbalanced society and many people unable to find a mate. In China and India the cities are filled with the surplus of single men which are causing crime to go up because these men have no prospects or boundaries. That's why China is considering relaxing the one-child rule.


This.  And would it be rude to mention that the girls are often born full-term and drowned?  Good luck, Chinese/Indian parents of a son who has no chance of finding a wife because you thought that boys were the only necessary children. I hate this well-documented and tolerated murder of baby girls.  I can only hope that it reaps the obvious results:  in about ten years, Indian and Chinese women (the ones who survived) will be valued beyond belief.

Forgive my cynicism.  They'll probably be raped and forced to bear a child every year by multiple men to correct the error.
 
2013-04-28 08:08:17 AM  
bborchar: Mess up the ratio if men and women too much, it creates an imbalanced society and many people unable to find a mate.


Mess up the birthrate, and it creates a society unable to maintain either a replacement rate or a sufficient tax base, and many people with WTF value systems need to imported fill the gap.
 
2013-04-28 08:10:00 AM  
I am pro choice, and also believe that the fetus is a person.  Abortion then would be "legal murder" I suppose.  My reasoning is that the rights of the mother trump the rights of the fetus as long as the fetus is, in my words, a subsidiary part of the organism.
 
2013-04-28 08:14:04 AM  

bbfreak: Thanks.


Welcome it was well said.
 
2013-04-28 08:19:03 AM  

bborchar: I am pro-choice, but not pro-everything. Why not allow gender-based abortion? Because we have plenty of examples of why that is a bad thing. Mess up the ratio if men and women too much, it creates an imbalanced society and many people unable to find a mate. In China and India the cities are filled with the surplus of single men which are causing crime to go up because these men have no prospects or boundaries. That's why China is considering relaxing the one-child rule.


Preferences for males over females is a cultural issue mostly, even if you made abortion in the case of gender preference illegal it wouldn't stop such people from seeking outside means due to the economic pressure of having a boy over a girl. Boys can provide income in such cultures, while women only drain income in the case of wedding dowerys.


So in my opinion the whole thing is a non issue as far as abortion is concerned. Especially when you put value in women as a society. You know instead of pressuring women to be sex objects first and scientists, engineers, etc.
 
2013-04-28 08:22:17 AM  
scientists and etc second. Sorry, posted that last post before I finished that thought.
 
2013-04-28 08:31:58 AM  

bbfreak: Government should never impose moral values on its population.


Government shouldn't have laws? Pretty much all of the laws are enforcing morality. A nice easy one is laws prohibiting murder.
 
2013-04-28 08:33:51 AM  
Don't get why abortion would still be allowed at 19 weeks anyways, with the exception of the mother's life being in danger or the baby having some kind of horrible condition. The baby is very formed by then, and is about  4 weeks away from being able to survive with a lot of help.
 
2013-04-28 08:56:26 AM  
Lets replace "Girl baby" with "Gay baby" and see if anyone changes their opinion.
Don't kid yourself, you know it's  being worked on right now to find a test to detect the "Gay " gene, its probable just a few years away.
 
2013-04-28 09:01:02 AM  

sleeps in trees: Old news. In Canada sex is not revealed through universal medical ultra sound. Private is another story. As that is available everywhere.

This is a big "Ooga Booga Scary" piece which is quite silly.


Uh, that's not true. Gender IS revealed in universal medicine ultrasound in Canada (or at least in Ontario).

I found out I was having a son at about 20 weeks (they even tried to determine the sex at the 12 week scan but couldn't). The tech offered the information after confirming we wanted to know. This was 4 years ago.

Everybody I know who had had a baby in the last few years (which has been A LOT) have found out the gender thru scans paid for thru OHIP.

I'd have been super pissed if they had refused to tell me, not because I had any intention of aborting, but because I like to plan and this let me get a bunch of little boy things for him before he was born, decide on a name, and actually helped me to develop some semblance of a bond with my son before he was born. I've never understood people wanting to be surprised by the gender at birth (though, to each their own).

WRT sex-selective abortions, I think it's a pretty shiatty thing to do, and I would question if someone who would do that would make a good parent at all (except in the rare case of genetic diseases only impacting one gender or something). However, if you do truly believe abortion is the woman's choice (which I do), unfortunately some abortions will likely happen for reasons that you find distasteful.

Personally, I don't think I could ever abort a baby (exceptions being if the pregnancy was life threatening or if the baby had some catastrophic illness). This isn't faith-based or anything (atheist here) I just don't like the idea of removing a potential person from the world before they even have a chance.

But, my choices are not everybody else's and I don't believe in taking away choices from others simply because I don't agree with them. Everyone who aborts a child has their own set of circumstances and I have no business judging them for doing what they feel is best.
 
2013-04-28 09:02:22 AM  

kyrg: Lets replace "Girl baby" with "Gay baby" and see if anyone changes their opinion.
Don't kid yourself, you know it's  being worked on right now to find a test to detect the "Gay " gene, its probable just a few years away.


Maybe by that time, they'll be able to adjust things in utero with a retrovirus or something. No abortion necessary.
 
2013-04-28 09:03:47 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought we were all supposed to embrace transgender people, or whatever the T stands for in LGWTFBBQ


We should, but we know that some homophobes will remain possessed by fear and hate, and cite anything bad they can find about changing gender to say "I told you so," even if it has nothing to do with LGBT.
 
2013-04-28 09:04:31 AM  
We should, but we know that some homophobes will remain possessed by fear and hate, and cite anything bad they can find about changing gender to say "I told you so," even if it has nothing to do with LGBT.
 
2013-04-28 09:05:28 AM  

Arumat: FTFA:   "It was the husband who did all the talking - he was so insistent."

/I don't dislike Muslims as a group any more/less than I dislike any other group


My theory is that his house only had two bathrooms, and with two girls he knew he would never see them again.
 
2013-04-28 09:07:07 AM  
Crap. Sorry for double post. Fark now sends my mobile device to some shiatty full page ad after I post (and then to an installer for some FB game), and it looks like the post wasn't made.

Thanks, fark. That crap will drive me away.
 
2013-04-28 09:07:26 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Better that than having to live with parents that resent you because you aren't what they were hoping for.


That's all parents.
 
2013-04-28 09:09:55 AM  
I don't agree with it, but do you really want to put up with hosting sleepovers for little girls for years?  Boys talk loudly and laugh, girls shriek.

Snark aside not a factor in a choice I'd make, but freedom is freedom and you can't tell people what to do with it.  Besides, if you try to outlaw that, all a couple or person has to do is say:  I/We don't want a child.  Hell no reason should be need to be given.
 
2013-04-28 09:12:53 AM  

Arumat: cedarpark: DON.MAC: With the trends of male vs female success rates of the 20 somethings, why would a parent today prefer a male?

An issue that I believe is not spoken about in the article is that, although this is an Australian article, I believe the emphasis on preferring males is predominantly by Chinese and Indian immigrants.

I'm probably going to be accused of trolling, but is this the same part of Australia that was having issues with Muslim immigrants beating women up on the beach for wearing revealing clothing, whether those women were Muslims themselves or not?  There's a pretty serious "tell" given in the article that at the very least these are probably first or second generation immigrants from a more patriarchal society.

FTFA:   "It was the husband who did all the talking - he was so insistent."

/I don't dislike Muslims as a group any more/less than I dislike any other group
//stand against the radical elements of whatever group you belong to, or don't complain about being lumped in with them
///third slashie is an equal opportunity hater too


That alarmed me as well. Was he insistent on being the only speaker or insistent on the abortion? Or both?
 
2013-04-28 09:13:33 AM  

Brittabot: sleeps in trees: Old news. In Canada sex is not revealed through universal medical ultra sound. Private is another story. As that is available everywhere.

This is a big "Ooga Booga Scary" piece which is quite silly.

Uh, that's not true. Gender IS revealed in universal medicine ultrasound in Canada (or at least in Ontario).

I found out I was having a son at about 20 weeks (they even tried to determine the sex at the 12 week scan but couldn't). The tech offered the information after confirming we wanted to know. This was 4 years ago.

Everybody I know who had had a baby in the last few years (which has been A LOT) have found out the gender thru scans paid for thru OHIP.


I don't know you, but in Ontario my wife and I were given the chance to find out the gender of our child at the second ultrasound, at about 15 weeks or so. We didn't find out until the 33rd week due to our little girl being rather shy, but it wasn't for lack of trying.

And the only thing not covered by OHIP were the Ultrasound pictures.
 
2013-04-28 09:20:15 AM  

Lorelle: One of Australia's biggest abortion clinics has revealed that parents have requested abortions on gender grounds - although it is "extremely rare" and always refused.

The Fertility Control Clinic - Victoria's biggest abortion provider - told the Senate inquiry that 96 per cent of abortions are performed before 12 weeks' gestation, when it is too early to know the sex.

So anti-abortionists in Australia managed to find  one rare case of abortion based on gender, and are using that to try to impose restrictions on abortion. Sounds like the fetus-obsessed, pro-forced-childbirth nuts in the U.S.


Or the first few posters in this thread. :)
 
2013-04-28 09:21:04 AM  
I'm switching to a new profile as soon as I think of a good username, so whatever:

Speaking as someone who was born intersexed and assigned the wrong gender at birth, it's guaranteed that if they are actually changed from male to female, they'll spend the rest of their lives KNOWING that something is wrong with them; their "boy" will probably end up playing and socializing with the girls, will be harassed by their parents for being more interested in girl things and will most likely want to take measures to fix themselves when they get older; at best, they will end up becoming MTF trans* women and while society is becoming much more accepting, it still puts you into the "other" category...

Way to increase the misery in this world, parents..
 
2013-04-28 09:31:26 AM  
I wrote:
*snip*

Way to increase the misery in this world, parents..


Way to not read the article and increase the misery of your fellow farkers, self...

/gets off soapbox
 
2013-04-28 09:37:09 AM  
Meh. Got no beef with this.
 
2013-04-28 09:39:52 AM  

0z79: I wrote:
*snip*

Way to increase the misery in this world, parents..

Way to not read the article and increase the misery of your fellow farkers, self...

/gets off soapbox


Heh, I made the same mistake at first, oh and just so you keep this login for another month ; )
/ Welcome to TF ; )
 
2013-04-28 09:47:40 AM  

bbfreak: Preferences for males over females is a cultural issue mostly, even if you made abortion in the case of gender preference illegal it wouldn't stop such people from seeking outside means due to the economic pressure of having a boy over a girl. Boys can provide income in such cultures, while women only drain income in the case of wedding dowerys.


Good luck finding a wife for your son to carry on the family line when a load of them have been aborted.

In China, there are now 120 males born for every 100 females. The ratio in the UK is 105 (nature seems to favour male births as a few more males don't get to adulthood).
 
2013-04-28 09:50:59 AM  

sendtodave: BarkingUnicorn: Anyone who has a problem with this cannot also claim that a fetus isn't a human being.

R.A.Danny: Amos Quito: What part of CHOICE did you not understand?

Yep. You either believe that choice is a right or you do not. Or at least that you should keep your nose out of it.

In China, you can only have one child; you will be forced to abort any more after that, or pay very stiff fines.

But, you cannot abort that first child due to gender preferences.

So, it is possible to claim that they aren't human beings AND deny the mother their choice!


Not without being a hypocrite.
 
2013-04-28 09:52:12 AM  
One of Australia's biggest abortion clinics has revealed that parents have requested abortions on gender grounds - although it is "extremely rare" and always refused.

Please don't let it stop you from panicking, though.

hb0mb: If someone is a big enough assbag that he or she would want an abortion based on gender, that aborted baby is getting off light.


So much This.

Australia may have a severe shortage of strippers in about 20 years, though.
 
2013-04-28 09:53:24 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: 0z79: I wrote:
*snip*

Way to increase the misery in this world, parents..

Way to not read the article and increase the misery of your fellow farkers, self...

/gets off soapbox

Heh, I made the same mistake at first, oh and just so you keep this login for another month ; )
/ Welcome to TF ; )


Wow... thank you! I can get a little preachy sometimes, but I do try to reign it in.. hanging around people who seem to be all advocacy, all issue, all the time is starting to rub off on me.

/is off to bed; 5:00 AM fire alarm in the building
//gal couldn't cook bacon, never cleaned her burners
///really really really cranky right now
 
2013-04-28 09:58:11 AM  

0z79: tinfoil-hat maggie: 0z79: I wrote:
*snip*

Way to increase the misery in this world, parents..

Way to not read the article and increase the misery of your fellow farkers, self...

/gets off soapbox

Heh, I made the same mistake at first, oh and just so you keep this login for another month ; )
/ Welcome to TF ; )

Wow... thank you! I can get a little preachy sometimes, but I do try to reign it in.. hanging around people who seem to be all advocacy, all issue, all the time is starting to rub off on me.

/is off to bed; 5:00 AM fire alarm in the building
//gal couldn't cook bacon, never cleaned her burners
///really really really cranky right now


LOL; ) It's all good, carry on and cool story.
 
2013-04-28 10:04:16 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: Must be a coincidence that Australia is getting a large influx of Asians.


Fun fact:  The younger, upwardly mobile (male) generation in China actually prefers girl babies, overall.  The logic is that if you have a girl, you don't need to pay for her house when she marries.

That is the groom's (family's) job.

See, male children are what you want if you need your son to make money and send it back home.  Or, maybe you need help farming dirt.  Either way, a son is what you want if you are a dirt farmer.

Not so much if you are that guy, the son of dirt farmers, now working, and looking to have kids.

So, anyway, this whole idea that "Asians (sp. Chinese) prefer males" isn't an Asian thing.  Not some Confucian patriarchy we-love-males whatever.

It's simply an economic thing.

So don't be so damn racist about it.
 
2013-04-28 10:06:49 AM  

ambercat: Oh, they definitely shouldn't be having any kids


This mentality reeks of First World.
 
2013-04-28 10:07:58 AM  

farkeruk: bbfreak: Preferences for males over females is a cultural issue mostly, even if you made abortion in the case of gender preference illegal it wouldn't stop such people from seeking outside means due to the economic pressure of having a boy over a girl. Boys can provide income in such cultures, while women only drain income in the case of wedding dowerys.

Good luck finding a wife for your son to carry on the family line when a load of them have been aborted.

In China, there are now 120 males born for every 100 females. The ratio in the UK is 105 (nature seems to favour male births as a few more males don't get to adulthood).


Did you have a point? I know you skipped over mine.
 
2013-04-28 10:08:09 AM  

R.A.Danny: sendtodave: BarkingUnicorn: Anyone who has a problem with this cannot also claim that a fetus isn't a human being.

R.A.Danny: Amos Quito: What part of CHOICE did you not understand?

Yep. You either believe that choice is a right or you do not. Or at least that you should keep your nose out of it.

In China, you can only have one child; you will be forced to abort any more after that, or pay very stiff fines.

But, you cannot abort that first child due to gender preferences.

So, it is possible to claim that they aren't human beings AND deny the mother their choice!

Not without being a hypocrite.


Or the Government.

/not mutually exclusive
 
2013-04-28 10:13:00 AM  

farkeruk: In China, there are now 120 males born for every 100 females. The ratio in the UK is 105 (nature seems to favour male births as a few more males don't get to adulthood).


In China, there are at least 15 more dirt farmers per hundred pepole than in the UK.

At least.

Anyway, poverty favors males.  Not much more to it than that.
 
2013-04-28 10:16:56 AM  

UnspokenVoice: bbfreak: Government should never impose moral values on its population.

Government shouldn't have laws? Pretty much all of the laws are enforcing morality. A nice easy one is laws prohibiting murder.


Yes, that is exactly what I said. Oh wait, it isn't. Hmm, if not murdering is an easy one. How about chemical castration due to being gay? Or banning sodomy? Surely those were just laws too. I might of been clearer in my meaning though and honesty that last part about morality distracts from the rest of the statement.
 
2013-04-28 10:23:13 AM  

bbfreak: farkeruk: bbfreak: Preferences for males over females is a cultural issue mostly, even if you made abortion in the case of gender preference illegal it wouldn't stop such people from seeking outside means due to the economic pressure of having a boy over a girl. Boys can provide income in such cultures, while women only drain income in the case of wedding dowerys.

Good luck finding a wife for your son to carry on the family line when a load of them have been aborted.

In China, there are now 120 males born for every 100 females. The ratio in the UK is 105 (nature seems to favour male births as a few more males don't get to adulthood).

Did you have a point? I know you skipped over mine.


For what it is worth, I think you are right, but I caution you for making "cultural" and "economic" synonyms.  Most people in the West seem to see Asia as a cultural monolith.  Especially China.

I've been trying to explain China to Farkers for years.  Oh, man, they're all brainwashed and ride bikes in China!  They sure love Mao, IP theft, and pollution!  And everyone is the same.

Anywho, saying the choice is "cultural" then comes off as more racial than economic.  It's like saying black gangbangers kill each other due to "cultural" reasons.
 
2013-04-28 10:39:05 AM  
So, uh, do I kill these threads, or just happen along when they're on their last gasps?
 
2013-04-28 10:41:21 AM  

doglover: BarkingUnicorn: Anyone who has a problem with this cannot also claim that a fetus isn't a human being.

The Mormons actually have to kick young men out of the church to make sure they have enough brides to go around for the senior members. http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.jp/2012/09/where-do-extra-men-go.htm l

That's what I think one of the big things in the Muslim countries with all the extreme terrorists is. They also allow polygamy. So the richest, most powerful old goats snap up all the women and the poor young men are left with no money, no power, and no pussy. When was the last time a George Clooney type playboy went all suicide bomber? If you guessed never, step up and collect your prize.

So a dearth of unwed young men will always lead to trouble. That's my hypothesis and thus objection.


You're correct. Which is why I am quite pessimistic about China. They kept aborting baby girls for several decades to decrease the population growth rate, so there are now a huge number of military-age men running around without any available pussy.

And one of the historical means of getting pussy has been conquest.

Furthermore, I don't think this is something that the Chinese leadership can necessarily control. All that is really needed for things to go all pear-shaped is for some charismatic and smart guy with military training in some podunk village in China to decide that he can raise himself up a whole bunch of horny guys and go out a-conquering. These things can take on lives of their own.
 
2013-04-28 10:45:47 AM  

angrycrank: Here's the thing. There may be abortions I don't personally approve of, but that's very different from criminalizing them. The woman in question is the only one who knows her circumstances. So lawmakers can go pat themselves on the back for banning sex-selection abortions and everyone will feel all fuzzy until the first woman is beaten or killed for having a girl or something horrible happens to the first girl infant. Sex-selection abortions can be prevented through education, improving the status of women so having boys isn't seen as an advantage, and providing services so women afraid of giving birth to a daughter have a way to get out of their situation. It needs to be the woman's choice - but create the circumstances so she has a real choice and doesn't feel like she has to have an abortion if the fetus is female.


Then all you have to deal with is the festering, soul-destroying guilt repressed for years/decades by the ex-mother, who knows deep down that a fetus is a baby.
 
2013-04-28 10:46:50 AM  

doglover: BarkingUnicorn: Anyone who has a problem with this cannot also claim that a fetus isn't a human being.

The Mormons actually have to kick young men out of the church to make sure they have enough brides to go around for the senior members. http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.jp/2012/09/where-do-extra-men-go.htm l

That's what I think one of the big things in the Muslim countries with all the extreme terrorists is. They also allow polygamy. So the richest, most powerful old goats snap up all the women and the poor young men are left with no money, no power, and no pussy. When was the last time a George Clooney type playboy went all suicide bomber? If you guessed never, step up and collect your prize.

So a dearth of unwed unlaid young men will always lead to trouble. That's my hypothesis and thus objection.


Temple prostitutes. Compulsory service.  See Herodotus and "hierodules."
 
2013-04-28 10:48:23 AM  

phrawgh: They could just let the dingos deal with it.


Expect a bill for for my keyboard in the next couple of weeks.
 
2013-04-28 10:55:20 AM  

Myria: Strolpol: Logically speaking, motive is irrelevant when it comes to abortion. It doesn't matter if you were raped or you just don't want a girl.

The problem is the externalities.  While allowing this seems like it ought to be a right, the problem comes from its societal effects.

With the vast majority of such families requesting sex-based abortion for female children, you end up with a significant population bias toward men.  This is exactly what has happened in China, even though the practice is officially illegal.  You end up with many straight men who can't find partners.


Seems that would raise the value of women and things would work out. Just give the free market time to  adjust.
 
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