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(Yahoo)   Hoping to join Los Angeles, Atlanta, St. Louis and Salt Lake City as the next American city to host the Olympics is... Tulsa?   (sports.yahoo.com) divider line 31
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2013-04-28 11:20:49 AM
2 votes:

Mrtraveler01: That or do like Atlanta and privatize the hell out of it.


You can't now.

After Atlanta, the IOC changed the rules. You can't have a ringfenced private company doing it now, because such a company will do sensible things, like think about how to use the stadia afterwards, and therefore make less extravagant shiat.

It's why every games since Atlanta has been a huge money sink.
2013-04-28 03:14:00 AM
2 votes:
HotWingAgenda: The next American summer olympics should be somewhere in the Pac NW.

Can't happen. The IOC requires too much spending and too much control over speech for it to work in the Pacific NW. The State of Washington has the added burden of the Olympic Mountains. The IOC doesn't like anyone else using any variation of the name Olympics. They require host governments to legally force anyone using anything related to Olympics and their symbols to change. That's simply not a possibility in Washington.

Vancouver had enough black bloc and finance problems with the much smaller Winter Olympics. No way they'll be able to do the Summer Olympics. As I mentioned, Washington is out. That leaves Oregon, meaning Portland. While I'm sure the business community would cream all over themselves at the mere thought of hosting the summer games, I can't see the people of Portland handing over their free speech rights to an international corporate festival much less spending the required money for facilities and infrastructure.

Too bad though because much of the NW is beautiful and comfortable in the summer. It'd make a great location for the games but it simply isn't viable given the IOC's demands.

/Use to work for the IOC's marketing arm
2013-04-28 03:12:14 AM
2 votes:
Take me back to Tulsa
I'm too young to marry
2013-04-28 02:47:48 AM
2 votes:
It would be nice to see it go to Nairobi or Durban, if they can put together an attractive bid. The Olympics have never been in Africa, and a lot of champion athletes come from there. The South Africans put together a pretty good World Cup a few years back, aside from the vuvuzelas and Nairobi is emerging as a hub for Africa.

At first glance India would be a good option too, but given the fallout from the 2010 Commonwealth Games, I don't think the IOC would find it an acceptable host.
2013-04-28 01:14:20 AM
2 votes:
Meh - you want to ruin a city? Bring in the Olympics...
2013-04-28 11:08:43 PM
1 votes:

bionicjoe: Picture it:
Central KY, Dec 31, 1997.

A freshly minted 21 year-old and his 20 year-old friend set out for America's heartland in a faded out Ford hatchback. 
Destination Tulsa. 

We called it the dumbest trip ever. It was. 
1998 began for me on a bathroom floor in Joy's apartment. Joy made me a sandwich. 

My dad died later that year at age 48 of ocular melanoma. Took only 8 weeks. I blame Tulsa.


Not So Cool Story, Bro.

Not sure what the story was about, not sure the conclusion.  Absolutely never heard of ocular melanoma before, but it sure sounds like Mother Nature was swinging a bad random-stick.  Raging skin cancer of the eye?  Sorry about that.

Tulsa's not that bad.

Nor that good.
2013-04-28 07:25:35 PM
1 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The Rio Olympics is going to be such an epic clusterfark that the IOC may just decide to build a "permanent" Summer Olympics site somewhere in Eastern Europe.

As a Brazilian friend of mine put it "By 2016 you won't even have a complete list of the people who need to be bribed to go and find out who *really* has to be bribed."


Let's see how all of Brazil handles hosting the FIFA World Cup next summer. That might be a good indicator of how they'll do for Rio 2016.
2013-04-28 07:01:52 PM
1 votes:
Picture it:
Central KY, Dec 31, 1997.

A freshly minted 21 year-old and his 20 year-old friend set out for America's heartland in a faded out Ford hatchback. 
Destination Tulsa. 

We called it the dumbest trip ever. It was. 
1998 began for me on a bathroom floor in Joy's apartment. Joy made me a sandwich. 

My dad died later that year at age 48 of ocular melanoma. Took only 8 weeks. I blame Tulsa.
2013-04-28 06:24:23 PM
1 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: a "permanent" Summer Olympics site


My vote is for Antarctica.  It would be special.
2013-04-28 06:12:36 PM
1 votes:

grimlock1972: Lived In Oklahoma  for twin years as a kid and i feel this is a bad idea, if Tulsa got The Olympics  my greatest fear is that some poor marathoner with fall in a pot hole and never been seen again.


Plus, it would be 112 degrees at the start of the marathon and snowing at the end.
2013-04-28 05:30:13 PM
1 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The Rio Olympics is going to be such an epic clusterfark that the IOC may just decide to build a "permanent" Summer Olympics site somewhere in Eastern Europe.

As a Brazilian friend of mine put it "By 2016 you won't even have a complete list of the people who need to be bribed to go and find out who *really* has to be bribed."


I don't know, the IOC will say it's not right to deny other nations, especially in the lesser represented nations /continents the chance to host the game...

Ie. The IOC needs to keep moving to cash in on the upcoming nations before leaving them an empty husk with a collapsed economy (cough cough Greece cough cough)
2013-04-28 02:43:09 PM
1 votes:
The Rio Olympics is going to be such an epic clusterfark that the IOC may just decide to build a "permanent" Summer Olympics site somewhere in Eastern Europe.

As a Brazilian friend of mine put it "By 2016 you won't even have a complete list of the people who need to be bribed to go and find out who *really* has to be bribed."
2013-04-28 01:25:09 PM
1 votes:

jayphat: Swoop1809: The Olympic Committee requested that Columbus OH put in a bid for the games. As a resident, I say "AWWW HELL NAW!".

The only possible benefit Columbus would have would be the need to install a real public transit system. If we could somehow get one of those, and I could be on vacation for a month during the games I say go for it. Maybe it would be an excuse to get the Columbus Crew a new stadium that they sorely need (the goddamn scoreboard caught on fire tonight)

Which is by far the most excitement a Crew fan has seen since the team arrived here.  FFS, the Stadium is only 14 years old, so don't biatch the Crew "badly" need a new stadium.


A lot has changed in MLS and in Columbus since 1998 when the stadium was built. For one, it was built for pennies and very hastily with the bare essentials because the team had nowhere to play due to renovations at Ohio Stadium. When Crew Stadium was built there was no Arena District, hell City Center Mall was the biggest downtown attraction. If they could build a modern stadium down in the Arena District it would be huge for the team and the city. As of now there is nothing to do after the games. Everyone just packs up and leaves since you cant walk anywhere. Downtown, fans would pour out of the stadium after a game and walk to one of the countless bars in the area.

Its all moot because the Hunt Sports Group which owns the Crew, FC Dallas and the Kansas City Chiefs throws nickels around like manhole covers and no way in hell would they finance a new stadium  nor would the city of Columbus pony up and significant money for it despite the sweetheart deal they gave the Blue Jackets with Nationwide Arena.

/now back to your regularly scheduled Olympics thread
2013-04-28 09:09:44 AM
1 votes:

Swoop1809: The Olympic Committee requested that Columbus OH put in a bid for the games. As a resident, I say "AWWW HELL NAW!".

The only possible benefit Columbus would have would be the need to install a real public transit system. If we could somehow get one of those, and I could be on vacation for a month during the games I say go for it. Maybe it would be an excuse to get the Columbus Crew a new stadium that they sorely need (the goddamn scoreboard caught on fire tonight)


I really liked the idea for a Tri-State bid for the summer games.. spread between Louisville, Lexington, Cincy, and Indianapolis. I read the whole plan... and I really think it had merit.

Its not like specific events have never been 100 miles from each other before, and it lessens the negative economic slam while still allowing each area to showcase itself.

/never happen.. makes too much sense.
2013-04-28 09:00:19 AM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Allen. The end.: Meh - you want to ruin a city? Bring in the Olympics...

That or do like Atlanta and privatize the hell out of it.


Which really pissed off the IOC, they weren't too keen on the amount of corporate sponsors branding everything in the city that was not an Olympic venue.  Hell Coke was painting the streets.
2013-04-28 08:33:09 AM
1 votes:

Mark Ratner: St. Louis hosted it over 100 years ago, and back then, the Olympics were kind of a joke. Google it and you'll see.


And the biggest irony in this is that the only reason we hosted it back in 1904 was because we were having the World's Fair here at the same time and so the IOC moved it from Chicago (where it was originally planned to be held) to St. Louis.

Probably the only time St. Louis took something from Chicago instead of the other way around.
2013-04-28 05:13:58 AM
1 votes:
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/wait, what were we talking about?
2013-04-28 03:29:45 AM
1 votes:

squibbits: Just keep that crap the hell away from Portland Oregon.


You don't have anything to worry about. Portland is about as likely as Tehran.

Great Porn Dragon: Honestly, it's going to be doubtful that the US gets ANY Olympic bids until they actually start treating the Paralympics with general parity in promotion (including primetime TV coverage on non-cable networks)--the IOC HAS actually not only been giving the USOC some very hairy eyeballs about it but even some nastygrams (particularly with the Paralympics in 2012 being all but nonexistent on US television and effectively only available via quasi-legal streaming from overseas national broadcasters).


That certainly wasn't the case when I worked for them. Also the USOC has very little power when it comes to coverage. The IOC awards the tv rights, not the USOC. And they keep awarding them to NBC so they're quite familiar with what NBC will and will not feature. If they want to promote the Paralympic Games, they need to put that requirement in the contract with NBC. Hairy eyeballs at the USOC will do nothing since they're not part of the loop.

thisispete: It would be nice to see it go to Nairobi or Durban, if they can put together an attractive bid. The Olympics have never been in Africa, and a lot of champion athletes come from there.


The IOC would love to have the games in Africa. Rio is a big gamble and if it goes well, it'll make things much more likely for other countries in the southern hemisphere not named Australia. My guess is that they'd prefer Nairobi over cities in South Africa though Kenya is further away from having the resources to host the games. If I remember correctly, Kenya has long term plans for a bid if they gain developed nation status in the next twenty years like predicted. Who knows, by then Nairobi might be the jewel of the East African Federation.

/Smitty, you have something against Squaw Valley and Lake Placid?
2013-04-28 03:00:54 AM
1 votes:

FizixJunkee: Great Porn Dragon: Honestly, it's going to be doubtful that the US gets ANY Olympic bids until they actually start treating the Paralympics with general parity in promotion (including primetime TV coverage on non-cable networks)--the IOC HAS actually not only been giving the USOC some very hairy eyeballs about it but even some nastygrams (particularly with the Paralympics in 2012 being all but nonexistent on US television and effectively only available via quasi-legal streaming from overseas national broadcasters).

And yes, the IOC is actually starting to get serious about the whole "OK, guys, just because the guys running may have Legs of Technological Origin or may be in a custom wheelchair does NOT mean you get to demote them to the Ocho" thing...in fact, I actually seem to remember reading in 2012 that the USOC WAS threatened with not having another Olympics in the US until they started treating the Paralympics like the Olympics Proper in all things merchandising and televising.  (Seem to remember reading that mentioned by a Farker who follows this even more closely than I do.)

/though I'll admit I am following the Paralympics stuff as one of the Henryville survivors (who got her legs eaten by the tornado) is working towards being on the Paralympics team
//srsly, they train just as hard and should also be given respect and the Paralympics shouldn't be dismissed as the Gimp Olympics (like the US media seems to want to do)


Haven't the Paralympics been in Oklahoma for a while now?

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I think the girl on the left is flashing gang signs.  And stop posting the OKC PTA pics!

/Aisle seat please!
2013-04-28 02:54:32 AM
1 votes:

Great Porn Dragon: Honestly, it's going to be doubtful that the US gets ANY Olympic bids until they actually start treating the Paralympics with general parity in promotion (including primetime TV coverage on non-cable networks)--the IOC HAS actually not only been giving the USOC some very hairy eyeballs about it but even some nastygrams (particularly with the Paralympics in 2012 being all but nonexistent on US television and effectively only available via quasi-legal streaming from overseas national broadcasters).

And yes, the IOC is actually starting to get serious about the whole "OK, guys, just because the guys running may have Legs of Technological Origin or may be in a custom wheelchair does NOT mean you get to demote them to the Ocho" thing...in fact, I actually seem to remember reading in 2012 that the USOC WAS threatened with not having another Olympics in the US until they started treating the Paralympics like the Olympics Proper in all things merchandising and televising.  (Seem to remember reading that mentioned by a Farker who follows this even more closely than I do.)

/though I'll admit I am following the Paralympics stuff as one of the Henryville survivors (who got her legs eaten by the tornado) is working towards being on the Paralympics team
//srsly, they train just as hard and should also be given respect and the Paralympics shouldn't be dismissed as the Gimp Olympics (like the US media seems to want to do)


They can't force American consumers' demand for the Paralympics into existence. As amazing as those athletes are, their games will be the Kwanzaa to the regular Olympics' Christmas for the foreseeable future.
2013-04-28 02:50:30 AM
1 votes:
Just keep that crap the hell away from Portland Oregon.
2013-04-28 02:48:18 AM
1 votes:

Great Porn Dragon: Honestly, it's going to be doubtful that the US gets ANY Olympic bids until they actually start treating the Paralympics with general parity in promotion (including primetime TV coverage on non-cable networks)--the IOC HAS actually not only been giving the USOC some very hairy eyeballs about it but even some nastygrams (particularly with the Paralympics in 2012 being all but nonexistent on US television and effectively only available via quasi-legal streaming from overseas national broadcasters).

And yes, the IOC is actually starting to get serious about the whole "OK, guys, just because the guys running may have Legs of Technological Origin or may be in a custom wheelchair does NOT mean you get to demote them to the Ocho" thing...in fact, I actually seem to remember reading in 2012 that the USOC WAS threatened with not having another Olympics in the US until they started treating the Paralympics like the Olympics Proper in all things merchandising and televising.  (Seem to remember reading that mentioned by a Farker who follows this even more closely than I do.)

/though I'll admit I am following the Paralympics stuff as one of the Henryville survivors (who got her legs eaten by the tornado) is working towards being on the Paralympics team
//srsly, they train just as hard and should also be given respect and the Paralympics shouldn't be dismissed as the Gimp Olympics (like the US media seems to want to do)


Which would go a long way in explaining why the London Paralympics were so prominent in terms of promotion in the UK. Yet, despite their claims of near sellouts at events; what I did see from there was not great in terms of attendance.
2013-04-28 02:18:37 AM
1 votes:
Bring it on.   The Okie Spirit will make it happen.   We will have some oil company foundation The Warren's or Kaiser's step up to make it happen.
2013-04-28 02:00:36 AM
1 votes:

germ78: I'm not sure if they can out-corrupt the other cities involved. I don't think they have enough suitcases of cash and top-shelf hookers to persuade the IOC. Chicago gave it their best shot and got shut down cold, and they're corrupt as a motherfarker.


If the IOC wasn't having a slap fight with the USOC at the time, Chicago might have gone farther than they did.

As for Tulsa, I can think of 10 US cities better equipped to host a Summer Olympics without mentioning LA, Chicago, NYC or Atlanta
2013-04-28 01:35:06 AM
1 votes:

Swoop1809: The Olympic Committee requested that Columbus OH put in a bid for the games. As a resident, I say "AWWW HELL NAW!".

The only possible benefit Columbus would have would be the need to install a real public transit system. If we could somehow get one of those, and I could be on vacation for a month during the games I say go for it. Maybe it would be an excuse to get the Columbus Crew a new stadium that they sorely need (the goddamn scoreboard caught on fire tonight)


They want free tattoos.
2013-04-28 01:33:06 AM
1 votes:
The Olympic Committee requested that Columbus OH put in a bid for the games. As a resident, I say "AWWW HELL NAW!".

The only possible benefit Columbus would have would be the need to install a real public transit system. If we could somehow get one of those, and I could be on vacation for a month during the games I say go for it. Maybe it would be an excuse to get the Columbus Crew a new stadium that they sorely need (the goddamn scoreboard caught on fire tonight)
2013-04-28 01:32:52 AM
1 votes:
well I am ok with it. if it should become the target of some terrorist plot I wont be anywhere near Tulsa and nothing of value will be lost.

win win
2013-04-28 01:24:43 AM
1 votes:
Aww thats nice. Now go shoot some prarie dogs while the real contenders compete.

I understand how its horrible for a big city, and good for a smaller one, but, the IOC wants quality hookers, overly pretensious hotels and highly overrated food on a scale smaller cities can't provide.
2013-04-28 01:23:23 AM
1 votes:
Let's see over there with Kansas and Texas and Jesus-freak country ... sure, we could host the Fundamentalist Olympics. Half a dozen Muslim countries would probably field teams, simply as fellow travelers through Nut-case Land.
2013-04-28 01:11:55 AM
1 votes:
I lived there. Could not pay me to ever go back.
2013-04-28 01:09:22 AM
1 votes:

Ebenator: From TFA:  Some people think of Tulsa as a flyover, Dust Bowl town.

Count me as one of those people.


I used to live there.  Tulsa doesn't offer much.
 
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