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2013-04-28 01:06:27 AM
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2013-04-28 01:08:13 AM
From TFA:  Some people think of Tulsa as a flyover, Dust Bowl town.

Count me as one of those people.
 
2013-04-28 01:09:22 AM

Ebenator: From TFA:  Some people think of Tulsa as a flyover, Dust Bowl town.

Count me as one of those people.


I used to live there.  Tulsa doesn't offer much.
 
2013-04-28 01:09:55 AM
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2013-04-28 01:10:39 AM

FizixJunkee: Ebenator: From TFA:  Some people think of Tulsa as a flyover, Dust Bowl town.

Count me as one of those people.

I used to live there.  Tulsa doesn't offer much.


Something to laugh at.
 
2013-04-28 01:10:43 AM
How about we host it in New Jersey and say it's New York?
 
2013-04-28 01:11:21 AM
The next American summer olympics should be somewhere in the Pac NW.
 
2013-04-28 01:11:55 AM
I lived there. Could not pay me to ever go back.
 
2013-04-28 01:13:25 AM

ybishop: I lived there. Could not pay me to ever go back.


you could pay me to.  Then I'd laugh and laugh and just move away again.
 
2013-04-28 01:14:20 AM
Meh - you want to ruin a city? Bring in the Olympics...
 
2013-04-28 01:17:22 AM
Tulsa is a great town, for music it's tops, but it's just not a sports town.  Even Olympic sports.
 
2013-04-28 01:17:26 AM
The first sentence really sells it for me: "Buoyed by its success hosting a major fishing tournament this winter..."

Sure, that's a natural progression.
 
2013-04-28 01:19:08 AM
Tulsa's bid will need a logo. Since Tulsa was the location of Fark's infamous Ballsack Conundrum, someone should photoshop the Olympic rings stuck in a chair...
 
2013-04-28 01:20:13 AM
I have fond memories of Tulsa in the 90s. It was small enough that the freaks/club kids/goths/ravers/gays hung out together. In bigger cities each little group like that had their own club and people didn't go outside their own interests as much.

Tulsa considers just getting mentioned in the same sentence as LA, Atlanta, and St. Louis to be a victory.
 
2013-04-28 01:20:36 AM

belhade: How about we host it in New Jersey and say it's New York?


I'd rather see the Olympics in München again than New Jersey.
 
2013-04-28 01:21:30 AM

Paris1127: Tulsa's bid will need a logo. Since Tulsa was the location of Fark's infamous Ballsack Conundrum, someone should photoshop the Olympic rings stuck in a chair...


Brilliant
 
2013-04-28 01:21:48 AM
The fact that the USOC is too sand-in-vag to put in hosting bids anymore won't exactly help. Also, it's Tulsa.
 
2013-04-28 01:23:23 AM
Let's see over there with Kansas and Texas and Jesus-freak country ... sure, we could host the Fundamentalist Olympics. Half a dozen Muslim countries would probably field teams, simply as fellow travelers through Nut-case Land.
 
2013-04-28 01:24:43 AM
Aww thats nice. Now go shoot some prarie dogs while the real contenders compete.

I understand how its horrible for a big city, and good for a smaller one, but, the IOC wants quality hookers, overly pretensious hotels and highly overrated food on a scale smaller cities can't provide.
 
2013-04-28 01:32:52 AM
well I am ok with it. if it should become the target of some terrorist plot I wont be anywhere near Tulsa and nothing of value will be lost.

win win
 
2013-04-28 01:33:06 AM
The Olympic Committee requested that Columbus OH put in a bid for the games. As a resident, I say "AWWW HELL NAW!".

The only possible benefit Columbus would have would be the need to install a real public transit system. If we could somehow get one of those, and I could be on vacation for a month during the games I say go for it. Maybe it would be an excuse to get the Columbus Crew a new stadium that they sorely need (the goddamn scoreboard caught on fire tonight)
 
2013-04-28 01:35:06 AM

Swoop1809: The Olympic Committee requested that Columbus OH put in a bid for the games. As a resident, I say "AWWW HELL NAW!".

The only possible benefit Columbus would have would be the need to install a real public transit system. If we could somehow get one of those, and I could be on vacation for a month during the games I say go for it. Maybe it would be an excuse to get the Columbus Crew a new stadium that they sorely need (the goddamn scoreboard caught on fire tonight)


They want free tattoos.
 
2013-04-28 01:41:37 AM
what the fark, guys... nobody awake?!?

As to Tulsa hosting the Olympics:
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2013-04-28 01:52:02 AM
I'm not sure if they can out-corrupt the other cities involved. I don't think they have enough suitcases of cash and top-shelf hookers to persuade the IOC. Chicago gave it their best shot and got shut down cold, and they're corrupt as a motherfarker.
 
2013-04-28 01:57:21 AM
Done in one.

/Tulsa resident
//well, Bixby actually but who's heard of Bixby?
 
2013-04-28 01:58:15 AM

germ78: I'm not sure if they can out-corrupt the other cities involved. I don't think they have enough suitcases of cash and top-shelf hookers to persuade the IOC. Chicago gave it their best shot and got shut down cold, and they're corrupt as a motherfarker.


www.playfair2012.org.uk

more hookers and blow
 
2013-04-28 02:00:36 AM

germ78: I'm not sure if they can out-corrupt the other cities involved. I don't think they have enough suitcases of cash and top-shelf hookers to persuade the IOC. Chicago gave it their best shot and got shut down cold, and they're corrupt as a motherfarker.


If the IOC wasn't having a slap fight with the USOC at the time, Chicago might have gone farther than they did.

As for Tulsa, I can think of 10 US cities better equipped to host a Summer Olympics without mentioning LA, Chicago, NYC or Atlanta
 
2013-04-28 02:03:08 AM
Q: The reason Texas does not slide off into the Gulf of Mexico?

A: Oklahoma sucks.

/thanks
//I'll be here all night
///try the meatloaf
 
2013-04-28 02:04:15 AM
Tulsa A slut?
 
2013-04-28 02:04:23 AM

universebetween: germ78: I'm not sure if they can out-corrupt the other cities involved. I don't think they have enough suitcases of cash and top-shelf hookers to persuade the IOC. Chicago gave it their best shot and got shut down cold, and they're corrupt as a motherfarker.

[www.playfair2012.org.uk image 400x400]

more hookers and blow


THIS. Sadly.
 
2013-04-28 02:05:07 AM

HotWingAgenda: The next American summer olympics should be somewhere in the Pac NW.


It should have been Chicago, but since a certain group of Americans was so dead set on submarineing Chicago's bid just to stick it to a certain politician, it didn't happen.
 
2013-04-28 02:07:14 AM

Death Eats a Cracker: Done in one.

/Tulsa resident
//well, Bixby actually but who's heard of Bixby?


Sprouts.
 
2013-04-28 02:08:50 AM

ongbok: HotWingAgenda: The next American summer olympics should be somewhere in the Pac NW.

It should have been Chicago, but since a certain group of Americans was so dead set on submarineing Chicago's bid just to stick it to a certain politician, it didn't happen.


St Louis is like right f*cking next to Chicago.  There's no reason to give Illinois two olympic games.  Florida is too humid and full of poisonous critters, and Texas is too dry and full of people that are universally hated outside America.  Seattle or Portland would be perfect.
 
2013-04-28 02:08:58 AM

ongbok: HotWingAgenda: The next American summer olympics should be somewhere in the Pac NW.

It should have been Chicago, but since a certain group of Americans was so dead set on submarineing Chicago's bid just to stick it to a certain politician, it didn't happen.


There wasn't a very strong desire from the people, at least those I spoke with.  Most of us were kinda like 'there might be an economic boost, but it's not certain'  to 'man, it's gonna sucks to go to work during that shiat!'

Of course the Star Trek Voyager fans did want to stick it to Gov. Ryan.
 
2013-04-28 02:10:06 AM

HotWingAgenda: ongbok: HotWingAgenda: The next American summer olympics should be somewhere in the Pac NW.

It should have been Chicago, but since a certain group of Americans was so dead set on submarineing Chicago's bid just to stick it to a certain politician, it didn't happen.

St Louis is like right f*cking next to Chicago.  There's no reason to give Illinois two olympic games.  Florida is too humid and full of poisonous critters, and Texas is too dry and full of people that are universally hated outside America.  Seattle or Portland would be perfect.


When was the first?
 
2013-04-28 02:15:20 AM

phrawgh: Q: The reason Texas does not slide off into the Gulf of Mexico?

A: Oklahoma sucks.

/thanks
//I'll be here all night
///try the meatloaf


Why is Oklahoma so windy?

Texas blows and Kansas sucks.
 
2013-04-28 02:17:32 AM

Krieghund: phrawgh: Q: The reason Texas does not slide off into the Gulf of Mexico?

A: Oklahoma sucks.

/thanks
//I'll be here all night
///try the meatloaf

Why is Oklahoma so windy?

Texas blows and Kansas sucks.


How do you know the toothbrush was invented in Oklahoma?

It would have been called a Teethbrush anywhere else.

/I know, usually reserved for KY,TN,GA,AL,MS,AR,WV, etc.
 
2013-04-28 02:18:37 AM
Bring it on.   The Okie Spirit will make it happen.   We will have some oil company foundation The Warren's or Kaiser's step up to make it happen.
 
2013-04-28 02:25:59 AM
Ah, Tulsa....

Or as I used to call it, Asthmatornadoton.....
 
2013-04-28 02:31:31 AM
newsdesk.si.edu
/Ok
 
2013-04-28 02:32:04 AM

Krieghund: I have fond memories of Tulsa in the 90s. It was small enough that the freaks/club kids/goths/ravers/gays hung out together. In bigger cities each little group like that had their own club and people didn't go outside their own interests as much.

Tulsa considers just getting mentioned in the same sentence as LA, Atlanta, and St. Louis to be a victory.


agreed
 
2013-04-28 02:32:56 AM
Honestly, it's going to be doubtful that the US gets ANY Olympic bids until they actually start treating the Paralympics with general parity in promotion (including primetime TV coverage on non-cable networks)--the IOC HAS actually not only been giving the USOC some very hairy eyeballs about it but even some nastygrams (particularly with the Paralympics in 2012 being all but nonexistent on US television and effectively only available via quasi-legal streaming from overseas national broadcasters).

And yes, the IOC is actually starting to get serious about the whole "OK, guys, just because the guys running may have Legs of Technological Origin or may be in a custom wheelchair does NOT mean you get to demote them to the Ocho" thing...in fact, I actually seem to remember reading in 2012 that the USOC WAS threatened with not having another Olympics in the US until they started treating the Paralympics like the Olympics Proper in all things merchandising and televising.  (Seem to remember reading that mentioned by a Farker who follows this even more closely than I do.)

/though I'll admit I am following the Paralympics stuff as one of the Henryville survivors (who got her legs eaten by the tornado) is working towards being on the Paralympics team
//srsly, they train just as hard and should also be given respect and the Paralympics shouldn't be dismissed as the Gimp Olympics (like the US media seems to want to do)
 
2013-04-28 02:35:08 AM
As a rural Okie, that would be great for the state. But I live 100 miles from Tulsa and still feel like I'd be a lot closer to that clusterfark than I'd wanna be.
 
2013-04-28 02:38:19 AM

7th Son of a 7th Son: Death Eats a Cracker: Done in one.

/Tulsa resident
//well, Bixby actually but who's heard of Bixby?

Sprouts.


A welcome addition to our fine city. Next step: The Olympics.
 
2013-04-28 02:39:41 AM

johne3819: ongbok: HotWingAgenda: The next American summer olympics should be somewhere in the Pac NW.

It should have been Chicago, but since a certain group of Americans was so dead set on submarineing Chicago's bid just to stick it to a certain politician, it didn't happen.

There wasn't a very strong desire from the people, at least those I spoke with.  Most of us were kinda like 'there might be an economic boost, but it's not certain'  to 'man, it's gonna sucks to go to work during that shiat!'

Of course the Star Trek Voyager fans did want to stick it to Gov. Ryan.


So you don't think the fact that the Republicans made it a talking point against Obama that he was trying to bring the Olympics to Chicago in the presidential campaign was a factor in the IOC's decision?

Just the point that the Republicans considered Chicago losing the bid as a victory for them probably doomed any chances in the near future that another U.S city gets the bid.
 
2013-04-28 02:40:35 AM
St. Louis hosted it over 100 years ago, and back then, the Olympics were kind of a joke. Google it and you'll see.
 
2013-04-28 02:44:20 AM

Great Porn Dragon: Honestly, it's going to be doubtful that the US gets ANY Olympic bids until they actually start treating the Paralympics with general parity in promotion (including primetime TV coverage on non-cable networks)--the IOC HAS actually not only been giving the USOC some very hairy eyeballs about it but even some nastygrams (particularly with the Paralympics in 2012 being all but nonexistent on US television and effectively only available via quasi-legal streaming from overseas national broadcasters).

And yes, the IOC is actually starting to get serious about the whole "OK, guys, just because the guys running may have Legs of Technological Origin or may be in a custom wheelchair does NOT mean you get to demote them to the Ocho" thing...in fact, I actually seem to remember reading in 2012 that the USOC WAS threatened with not having another Olympics in the US until they started treating the Paralympics like the Olympics Proper in all things merchandising and televising.  (Seem to remember reading that mentioned by a Farker who follows this even more closely than I do.)

/though I'll admit I am following the Paralympics stuff as one of the Henryville survivors (who got her legs eaten by the tornado) is working towards being on the Paralympics team
//srsly, they train just as hard and should also be given respect and the Paralympics shouldn't be dismissed as the Gimp Olympics (like the US media seems to want to do)


I'll start following the Paralympics the moment a T-ball stand pitches a perfect game.
 
2013-04-28 02:47:48 AM
It would be nice to see it go to Nairobi or Durban, if they can put together an attractive bid. The Olympics have never been in Africa, and a lot of champion athletes come from there. The South Africans put together a pretty good World Cup a few years back, aside from the vuvuzelas and Nairobi is emerging as a hub for Africa.

At first glance India would be a good option too, but given the fallout from the 2010 Commonwealth Games, I don't think the IOC would find it an acceptable host.
 
2013-04-28 02:48:18 AM

Great Porn Dragon: Honestly, it's going to be doubtful that the US gets ANY Olympic bids until they actually start treating the Paralympics with general parity in promotion (including primetime TV coverage on non-cable networks)--the IOC HAS actually not only been giving the USOC some very hairy eyeballs about it but even some nastygrams (particularly with the Paralympics in 2012 being all but nonexistent on US television and effectively only available via quasi-legal streaming from overseas national broadcasters).

And yes, the IOC is actually starting to get serious about the whole "OK, guys, just because the guys running may have Legs of Technological Origin or may be in a custom wheelchair does NOT mean you get to demote them to the Ocho" thing...in fact, I actually seem to remember reading in 2012 that the USOC WAS threatened with not having another Olympics in the US until they started treating the Paralympics like the Olympics Proper in all things merchandising and televising.  (Seem to remember reading that mentioned by a Farker who follows this even more closely than I do.)

/though I'll admit I am following the Paralympics stuff as one of the Henryville survivors (who got her legs eaten by the tornado) is working towards being on the Paralympics team
//srsly, they train just as hard and should also be given respect and the Paralympics shouldn't be dismissed as the Gimp Olympics (like the US media seems to want to do)


Which would go a long way in explaining why the London Paralympics were so prominent in terms of promotion in the UK. Yet, despite their claims of near sellouts at events; what I did see from there was not great in terms of attendance.
 
2013-04-28 02:50:30 AM
Just keep that crap the hell away from Portland Oregon.
 
2013-04-28 02:54:32 AM

Great Porn Dragon: Honestly, it's going to be doubtful that the US gets ANY Olympic bids until they actually start treating the Paralympics with general parity in promotion (including primetime TV coverage on non-cable networks)--the IOC HAS actually not only been giving the USOC some very hairy eyeballs about it but even some nastygrams (particularly with the Paralympics in 2012 being all but nonexistent on US television and effectively only available via quasi-legal streaming from overseas national broadcasters).

And yes, the IOC is actually starting to get serious about the whole "OK, guys, just because the guys running may have Legs of Technological Origin or may be in a custom wheelchair does NOT mean you get to demote them to the Ocho" thing...in fact, I actually seem to remember reading in 2012 that the USOC WAS threatened with not having another Olympics in the US until they started treating the Paralympics like the Olympics Proper in all things merchandising and televising.  (Seem to remember reading that mentioned by a Farker who follows this even more closely than I do.)

/though I'll admit I am following the Paralympics stuff as one of the Henryville survivors (who got her legs eaten by the tornado) is working towards being on the Paralympics team
//srsly, they train just as hard and should also be given respect and the Paralympics shouldn't be dismissed as the Gimp Olympics (like the US media seems to want to do)


They can't force American consumers' demand for the Paralympics into existence. As amazing as those athletes are, their games will be the Kwanzaa to the regular Olympics' Christmas for the foreseeable future.
 
HBK
2013-04-28 02:56:26 AM
Hell yeah! Tulsa's gonna give Omaha a run for its money.
 
2013-04-28 02:57:14 AM

ongbok: johne3819: ongbok: HotWingAgenda: The next American summer olympics should be somewhere in the Pac NW.

It should have been Chicago, but since a certain group of Americans was so dead set on submarineing Chicago's bid just to stick it to a certain politician, it didn't happen.

There wasn't a very strong desire from the people, at least those I spoke with.  Most of us were kinda like 'there might be an economic boost, but it's not certain'  to 'man, it's gonna sucks to go to work during that shiat!'

Of course the Star Trek Voyager fans did want to stick it to Gov. Ryan.

So you don't think the fact that the Republicans made it a talking point against Obama that he was trying to bring the Olympics to Chicago in the presidential campaign was a factor in the IOC's decision?

Just the point that the Republicans considered Chicago losing the bid as a victory for them probably doomed any chances in the near future that another U.S city gets the bid.


I absolutely do think it was a factor.  I think your sarcasmetron 2000 or my delivery need a little tuning.
 
2013-04-28 02:58:36 AM

Great Porn Dragon: Honestly, it's going to be doubtful that the US gets ANY Olympic bids until they actually start treating the Paralympics with general parity in promotion (including primetime TV coverage on non-cable networks)--the IOC HAS actually not only been giving the USOC some very hairy eyeballs about it but even some nastygrams (particularly with the Paralympics in 2012 being all but nonexistent on US television and effectively only available via quasi-legal streaming from overseas national broadcasters).

And yes, the IOC is actually starting to get serious about the whole "OK, guys, just because the guys running may have Legs of Technological Origin or may be in a custom wheelchair does NOT mean you get to demote them to the Ocho" thing...in fact, I actually seem to remember reading in 2012 that the USOC WAS threatened with not having another Olympics in the US until they started treating the Paralympics like the Olympics Proper in all things merchandising and televising.  (Seem to remember reading that mentioned by a Farker who follows this even more closely than I do.)

/though I'll admit I am following the Paralympics stuff as one of the Henryville survivors (who got her legs eaten by the tornado) is working towards being on the Paralympics team
//srsly, they train just as hard and should also be given respect and the Paralympics shouldn't be dismissed as the Gimp Olympics (like the US media seems to want to do)



Haven't the Paralympics been in Oklahoma for a while now?

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-28 03:00:54 AM

FizixJunkee: Great Porn Dragon: Honestly, it's going to be doubtful that the US gets ANY Olympic bids until they actually start treating the Paralympics with general parity in promotion (including primetime TV coverage on non-cable networks)--the IOC HAS actually not only been giving the USOC some very hairy eyeballs about it but even some nastygrams (particularly with the Paralympics in 2012 being all but nonexistent on US television and effectively only available via quasi-legal streaming from overseas national broadcasters).

And yes, the IOC is actually starting to get serious about the whole "OK, guys, just because the guys running may have Legs of Technological Origin or may be in a custom wheelchair does NOT mean you get to demote them to the Ocho" thing...in fact, I actually seem to remember reading in 2012 that the USOC WAS threatened with not having another Olympics in the US until they started treating the Paralympics like the Olympics Proper in all things merchandising and televising.  (Seem to remember reading that mentioned by a Farker who follows this even more closely than I do.)

/though I'll admit I am following the Paralympics stuff as one of the Henryville survivors (who got her legs eaten by the tornado) is working towards being on the Paralympics team
//srsly, they train just as hard and should also be given respect and the Paralympics shouldn't be dismissed as the Gimp Olympics (like the US media seems to want to do)


Haven't the Paralympics been in Oklahoma for a while now?

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 850x436]


I think the girl on the left is flashing gang signs.  And stop posting the OKC PTA pics!

/Aisle seat please!
 
2013-04-28 03:00:58 AM

HBK: Hell yeah! Tulsa's gonna give Omaha a run for its money.


hey omaha has had the college world series of baseball dont be too harsh on omaha
 
2013-04-28 03:12:14 AM
Take me back to Tulsa
I'm too young to marry
 
2013-04-28 03:14:00 AM
HotWingAgenda: The next American summer olympics should be somewhere in the Pac NW.

Can't happen. The IOC requires too much spending and too much control over speech for it to work in the Pacific NW. The State of Washington has the added burden of the Olympic Mountains. The IOC doesn't like anyone else using any variation of the name Olympics. They require host governments to legally force anyone using anything related to Olympics and their symbols to change. That's simply not a possibility in Washington.

Vancouver had enough black bloc and finance problems with the much smaller Winter Olympics. No way they'll be able to do the Summer Olympics. As I mentioned, Washington is out. That leaves Oregon, meaning Portland. While I'm sure the business community would cream all over themselves at the mere thought of hosting the summer games, I can't see the people of Portland handing over their free speech rights to an international corporate festival much less spending the required money for facilities and infrastructure.

Too bad though because much of the NW is beautiful and comfortable in the summer. It'd make a great location for the games but it simply isn't viable given the IOC's demands.

/Use to work for the IOC's marketing arm
 
2013-04-28 03:19:00 AM

FizixJunkee: Great Porn Dragon: Honestly, it's going to be doubtful that the US gets ANY Olympic bids until they actually start treating the Paralympics with general parity in promotion (including primetime TV coverage on non-cable networks)--the IOC HAS actually not only been giving the USOC some very hairy eyeballs about it but even some nastygrams (particularly with the Paralympics in 2012 being all but nonexistent on US television and effectively only available via quasi-legal streaming from overseas national broadcasters).

And yes, the IOC is actually starting to get serious about the whole "OK, guys, just because the guys running may have Legs of Technological Origin or may be in a custom wheelchair does NOT mean you get to demote them to the Ocho" thing...in fact, I actually seem to remember reading in 2012 that the USOC WAS threatened with not having another Olympics in the US until they started treating the Paralympics like the Olympics Proper in all things merchandising and televising.  (Seem to remember reading that mentioned by a Farker who follows this even more closely than I do.)

/though I'll admit I am following the Paralympics stuff as one of the Henryville survivors (who got her legs eaten by the tornado) is working towards being on the Paralympics team
//srsly, they train just as hard and should also be given respect and the Paralympics shouldn't be dismissed as the Gimp Olympics (like the US media seems to want to do)


Haven't the Paralympics been in Oklahoma for a while now?

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 850x436]


These mofos will have the BEST party...
 
2013-04-28 03:21:25 AM
Tulsa strikes me as somewhat similar to Boise.  Little more than an overgrown big town with overblown aspirations of being a big city.  Sure the population base is there but the mentality isn't.
 
2013-04-28 03:25:16 AM
Who wouldn't want to go see a 900 foot Jesus?
 
2013-04-28 03:29:45 AM

squibbits: Just keep that crap the hell away from Portland Oregon.


You don't have anything to worry about. Portland is about as likely as Tehran.

Great Porn Dragon: Honestly, it's going to be doubtful that the US gets ANY Olympic bids until they actually start treating the Paralympics with general parity in promotion (including primetime TV coverage on non-cable networks)--the IOC HAS actually not only been giving the USOC some very hairy eyeballs about it but even some nastygrams (particularly with the Paralympics in 2012 being all but nonexistent on US television and effectively only available via quasi-legal streaming from overseas national broadcasters).


That certainly wasn't the case when I worked for them. Also the USOC has very little power when it comes to coverage. The IOC awards the tv rights, not the USOC. And they keep awarding them to NBC so they're quite familiar with what NBC will and will not feature. If they want to promote the Paralympic Games, they need to put that requirement in the contract with NBC. Hairy eyeballs at the USOC will do nothing since they're not part of the loop.

thisispete: It would be nice to see it go to Nairobi or Durban, if they can put together an attractive bid. The Olympics have never been in Africa, and a lot of champion athletes come from there.


The IOC would love to have the games in Africa. Rio is a big gamble and if it goes well, it'll make things much more likely for other countries in the southern hemisphere not named Australia. My guess is that they'd prefer Nairobi over cities in South Africa though Kenya is further away from having the resources to host the games. If I remember correctly, Kenya has long term plans for a bid if they gain developed nation status in the next twenty years like predicted. Who knows, by then Nairobi might be the jewel of the East African Federation.

/Smitty, you have something against Squaw Valley and Lake Placid?
 
2013-04-28 03:30:53 AM

EngineerAU: Can't happen.


Not quoting the rest of that for the sake of brevity, but I really appreciate the thought-out response.  That made a lot of sense.
 
2013-04-28 04:09:34 AM
Oklahoma? OK.

/not really
 
2013-04-28 04:18:05 AM

EngineerAU: The State of Washington has the added burden of the Olympic Mountains. The IOC doesn't like anyone else using any variation of the name Olympics. They require host governments to legally force anyone using anything related to Olympics and their symbols to change. That's simply not a possibility in Washington.


Oh, come on. They're hardly going to expect something which has been named the Olympic Mountains since well before the 1860s (and officially named such since 1864) to change its name. Especially given that it isn't in reference to the Olympics, but to Mount Olympus, named thus since 1788.

Care to cite a past example of the IOC requiring a name change for a natural landmark whose name predates the establishment of the modern Olympic Games and the IOC itself by several decades?
 
2013-04-28 04:28:49 AM

gweilo8888: EngineerAU: The State of Washington has the added burden of the Olympic Mountains. The IOC doesn't like anyone else using any variation of the name Olympics. They require host governments to legally force anyone using anything related to Olympics and their symbols to change. That's simply not a possibility in Washington.

Oh, come on. They're hardly going to expect something which has been named the Olympic Mountains since well before the 1860s (and officially named such since 1864) to change its name. Especially given that it isn't in reference to the Olympics, but to Mount Olympus, named thus since 1788.

Care to cite a past example of the IOC requiring a name change for a natural landmark whose name predates the establishment of the modern Olympic Games and the IOC itself by several decades?


Natural landmark, no. Businesses named after that natural landmark, even ones long established? The IOC will try to force every single one to change their name.

The IOC often reaches epic levels of douchebaggery though, I wouldn't be entirely shocked if they DID try to force a change in the name of the mountain range, or demand that, during the event, nobody refer to them by that name.
 
2013-04-28 04:32:55 AM

iron_city_ap: I understand how its horrible for a big city, and good for a smaller one, but, the IOC wants quality hookers, overly pretensious hotels and highly overrated food on a scale smaller cities can't provide.


Tulsa night life: filth, gin, a slut.
 
2013-04-28 05:11:27 AM
If they don't get the nomination, will they steal it away in the middle of the night from the city that does?
 
2013-04-28 05:13:58 AM
blogs.suntimes.com

Zicke, Zacke, Zicke, Zacke, Hoi, Hoi, Hoi!
Zicke, Zacke, Zicke, Zacke, Hoi, Hoi, Hoi!
Zicke, Zacke, Zicke, Zacke, Hoi, Hoi, Hoi!

Tulsa Oktoberfest Ist...

wun-der-bar!

/wait, what were we talking about?
 
2013-04-28 05:38:42 AM

SomeoneDumb: If they don't get the nomination, will they steal it away in the middle of the night from the city that does?


I understand that reference.
 
2013-04-28 06:20:47 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Great Porn Dragon: Honestly, it's going to be doubtful that the US gets ANY Olympic bids until they actually start treating the Paralympics with general parity in promotion (including primetime TV coverage on non-cable networks)--the IOC HAS actually not only been giving the USOC some very hairy eyeballs about it but even some nastygrams (particularly with the Paralympics in 2012 being all but nonexistent on US television and effectively only available via quasi-legal streaming from overseas national broadcasters).

And yes, the IOC is actually starting to get serious about the whole "OK, guys, just because the guys running may have Legs of Technological Origin or may be in a custom wheelchair does NOT mean you get to demote them to the Ocho" thing...in fact, I actually seem to remember reading in 2012 that the USOC WAS threatened with not having another Olympics in the US until they started treating the Paralympics like the Olympics Proper in all things merchandising and televising.  (Seem to remember reading that mentioned by a Farker who follows this even more closely than I do.)

/though I'll admit I am following the Paralympics stuff as one of the Henryville survivors (who got her legs eaten by the tornado) is working towards being on the Paralympics team
//srsly, they train just as hard and should also be given respect and the Paralympics shouldn't be dismissed as the Gimp Olympics (like the US media seems to want to do)

They can't force American consumers' demand for the Paralympics into existence. As amazing as those athletes are, their games will be the Kwanzaa to the regular Olympics' Christmas for the foreseeable future.


Exactly. The media doesn't give a shiat about what they air. In fact they would air a 24 hour block of dogs eating each other's shiat if they thought people would watch it. If people wanted to watch the Paralympics, they'd show them, but since they don't get good numbers when it is shown, they're not going to move it from the less popular channels up into more popular ones. The networks don't want to air stuff they won't make money off of.
 
2013-04-28 07:16:33 AM

FizixJunkee: SomeoneDumb: If they don't get the nomination, will they steal it away in the middle of the night from the city that does?

I understand that reference.


Nothing is obscure on Fark
 
2013-04-28 07:33:54 AM
I just got off from three days of ten hour shifts dealing with drunk cowboys with baby bull testicles and beer breath. You don't want to come here. I promise it's not cool at all. Totally have that somewhere else.
 
2013-04-28 07:35:57 AM
Give the games to Taiwan.
 
2013-04-28 07:54:35 AM
The Olympics brought to you by Wal*Mart.

(Bentonville is just 50 miles away)
 
2013-04-28 08:22:39 AM
Was there a basketball game in OKC during the same time?
 
2013-04-28 08:23:39 AM

Allen. The end.: Meh - you want to ruin a city? Bring in the Olympics...


That or do like Atlanta and privatize the hell out of it.
 
2013-04-28 08:26:57 AM

germ78: I'm not sure if they can out-corrupt the other cities involved. I don't think they have enough suitcases of cash and top-shelf hookers to persuade the IOC. Chicago gave it their best shot and got shut down cold, and they're corrupt as a motherfarker.


Yeah but they lost to Rio.

And if anyone can out-corrupt Chicago...it's Rio.
 
2013-04-28 08:28:54 AM

HotWingAgenda: St Louis is like right f*cking next to Chicago. There's no reason to give Illinois two olympic games.


Last time I checked, I wasn't in Illinois.
 
2013-04-28 08:33:09 AM

Mark Ratner: St. Louis hosted it over 100 years ago, and back then, the Olympics were kind of a joke. Google it and you'll see.


And the biggest irony in this is that the only reason we hosted it back in 1904 was because we were having the World's Fair here at the same time and so the IOC moved it from Chicago (where it was originally planned to be held) to St. Louis.

Probably the only time St. Louis took something from Chicago instead of the other way around.
 
2013-04-28 08:55:05 AM

Death Eats a Cracker: Done in one.

/Tulsa resident
//well, Bixby actually but who's heard of Bixby?


Usually only those who've already been Jenksed.
 
2013-04-28 09:00:19 AM

Mrtraveler01: Allen. The end.: Meh - you want to ruin a city? Bring in the Olympics...

That or do like Atlanta and privatize the hell out of it.


Which really pissed off the IOC, they weren't too keen on the amount of corporate sponsors branding everything in the city that was not an Olympic venue.  Hell Coke was painting the streets.
 
2013-04-28 09:09:44 AM

Swoop1809: The Olympic Committee requested that Columbus OH put in a bid for the games. As a resident, I say "AWWW HELL NAW!".

The only possible benefit Columbus would have would be the need to install a real public transit system. If we could somehow get one of those, and I could be on vacation for a month during the games I say go for it. Maybe it would be an excuse to get the Columbus Crew a new stadium that they sorely need (the goddamn scoreboard caught on fire tonight)


I really liked the idea for a Tri-State bid for the summer games.. spread between Louisville, Lexington, Cincy, and Indianapolis. I read the whole plan... and I really think it had merit.

Its not like specific events have never been 100 miles from each other before, and it lessens the negative economic slam while still allowing each area to showcase itself.

/never happen.. makes too much sense.
 
2013-04-28 09:48:39 AM
Can I get a 'shop of Usain Bolt trying to outrun a tornado?  That's what I'm picturing when I think of the Olympics in Tulsa.
 
2013-04-28 09:54:38 AM
Yep, late July-early August is the perfect time to run a marathon in Tulsa.
 
2013-04-28 10:02:03 AM
fark it, send the games to Detroit!
 
2013-04-28 10:11:16 AM
They could make palm tree chopping a special event. The record is 87 years.
 
2013-04-28 10:14:29 AM
They are completely unprepared to host an event of that magnitude.

Who the hell do they think they are... Qatar?
 
2013-04-28 10:25:08 AM
Better Tulsa than Boston. The last thing I want to see is Boston spend billions on the Olympics when there are other needs that should be addressed first.
 
2013-04-28 10:26:00 AM
Buoyed by its success hosting a major fishing tournament this winter, Oklahoma's second-largest city is now dreaming of something faster, higher, stronger: the 2024 Summer Olympics.

Because those two things are so comparable.
 
2013-04-28 10:30:01 AM
 
2013-04-28 11:20:49 AM

Mrtraveler01: That or do like Atlanta and privatize the hell out of it.


You can't now.

After Atlanta, the IOC changed the rules. You can't have a ringfenced private company doing it now, because such a company will do sensible things, like think about how to use the stadia afterwards, and therefore make less extravagant shiat.

It's why every games since Atlanta has been a huge money sink.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2013-04-28 11:33:40 AM

desertgeek: As for Tulsa, I can think of 10 US cities better equipped to host a Summer Olympics without mentioning LA, Chicago, NYC or Atlanta


There are at least 8 cities in Oklahoma better suited to host the Olympics than Tulsa. And that list includes Coalgate and Slapout.
 
2013-04-28 12:11:07 PM

squibbits: Just keep that crap the hell away from Portland Oregon.


Ditto x 3 - keep that shiat out of America altogether.
 
2013-04-28 12:15:09 PM

Great Porn Dragon: Honestly, it's going to be doubtful that the US gets ANY Olympic bids until they actually start treating the Paralympics with general parity in promotion (including primetime TV coverage on non-cable networks)--the IOC HAS actually not only been giving the USOC some very hairy eyeballs about it but even some nastygrams (particularly with the Paralympics in 2012 being all but nonexistent on US television and effectively only available via quasi-legal streaming from overseas national broadcasters).

And yes, the IOC is actually starting to get serious about the whole "OK, guys, just because the guys running may have Legs of Technological Origin or may be in a custom wheelchair does NOT mean you get to demote them to the Ocho" thing...in fact, I actually seem to remember reading in 2012 that the USOC WAS threatened with not having another Olympics in the US until they started treating the Paralympics like the Olympics Proper in all things merchandising and televising.  (Seem to remember reading that mentioned by a Farker who follows this even more closely than I do.)

/though I'll admit I am following the Paralympics stuff as one of the Henryville survivors (who got her legs eaten by the tornado) is working towards being on the Paralympics team
//srsly, they train just as hard and should also be given respect and the Paralympics shouldn't be dismissed as the Gimp Olympics (like the US media seems to want to do)


"Legs of Technological Origin" would make a great Fark handle.
 
2013-04-28 12:25:12 PM
Hahaahahaha. Oh god, that's hilarious.
The meth capital of the US hosting the Olympics.
Although, maybe they can host some events at the various megachurches or absurdly large highschool football stadiums.

fark this town.
 
2013-04-28 12:37:07 PM
iron_city_ap:

I understand how its horrible for a big city, and good for a smaller one, but, the IOC wants quality hookers, overly pretentious hotels and highly overrated food on a scale smaller cities can't provide.

Hmmm. Rochester NY has the hotels and food, and a bunch of stadiums to boot (especially if you include the colleges). We could probably import the hookers, blow won't be a problem.

Garbage plates for everyone!
 
2013-04-28 12:42:56 PM

germ78: I'm not sure if they can out-corrupt the other cities involved. I don't think they have enough suitcases of cash and top-shelf hookers to persuade the IOC. Chicago gave it their best shot and got shut down cold, and they're corrupt as a motherfarker.


Judging by some of the mugshots of arrested prostitutes, they definitely have a long way to go.  And although when I had to work in the Tulsa area I liked some of the small scale mom and pop restaurants and tried to stay away from the big chains, the smell was atrocious.

/could always take the IOC on a tour of the town, just don't take them over on the west side of US 75 might not make it back without someone car jacking them.
 
2013-04-28 12:49:14 PM

EngineerAU: That leaves Oregon, meaning Portland. While I'm sure the business community would cream all over themselves at the mere thought of hosting the summer games, I can't see the people of Portland handing over their free speech rights to an international corporate festival much less spending the required money for facilities and infrastructure.


Portland was asked a month or two again and almost immediately responded, "Thanks, but no thanks."
 
2013-04-28 12:53:23 PM

Death Eats a Cracker: Done in one.

/Tulsa resident
//well, Bixby actually but who's heard of Bixby?


raises hand
/lives in Broken Arrow
 
2013-04-28 12:57:23 PM
While living in France I had this conversation daily,
"So, where are you from?"
"Tulsa, Oklahoma"
"......"
"It's just above Texas"
"Oh, ok cool"
 
2013-04-28 12:59:30 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Tulsa strikes me as somewhat similar to Boise.  Little more than an overgrown big town with overblown aspirations of being a big city.  Sure the population base is there but the mentality isn't.


Truer words have not been spoken on Fark.

I was relocated from DFW to the Tulsa area some time ago by my now former employer.  The people are wonderful, but the overall mentality is still very small-townish.  I've stayed, though, because it *is* a decent place to raise a family, and the cost of living is cheap.  My youngest will be out of school in a couple of years, though, and after that I'm not sure we'll stay.

Olympics would never fly here because you can't get a decent meal after 8pm anywhere, much less the aforementioned hookers and blow.

/Tulsa.  Because someone has to do it.
//Obscure?
 
2013-04-28 01:00:09 PM

Swoop1809: The Olympic Committee requested that Columbus OH put in a bid for the games. As a resident, I say "AWWW HELL NAW!".

The only possible benefit Columbus would have would be the need to install a real public transit system. If we could somehow get one of those, and I could be on vacation for a month during the games I say go for it. Maybe it would be an excuse to get the Columbus Crew a new stadium that they sorely need (the goddamn scoreboard caught on fire tonight)


Which is by far the most excitement a Crew fan has seen since the team arrived here.  FFS, the Stadium is only 14 years old, so don't biatch the Crew "badly" need a new stadium.
 
2013-04-28 01:05:32 PM

just_intonation: Smeggy Smurf: Tulsa strikes me as somewhat similar to Boise.  Little more than an overgrown big town with overblown aspirations of being a big city.  Sure the population base is there but the mentality isn't.

Truer words have not been spoken on Fark.

I was relocated from DFW to the Tulsa area some time ago by my now former employer.  The people are wonderful, but the overall mentality is still very small-townish.  I've stayed, though, because it *is* a decent place to raise a family, and the cost of living is cheap.  My youngest will be out of school in a couple of years, though, and after that I'm not sure we'll stay.

Olympics would never fly here because you can't get a decent meal after 8pm anywhere, much less the aforementioned hookers and blow.

/Tulsa.  Because someone has to do it.
//Obscure?


I can't think of a decent place to eat that closes before 10. Don't forget Mary Janes pizza, open till 4:20. As for whores and blow you must just not have the right (wrong?) friends I35 is just RIGHT there.

/Tulsa
//Mary janes is terrible
 
2013-04-28 01:25:09 PM

jayphat: Swoop1809: The Olympic Committee requested that Columbus OH put in a bid for the games. As a resident, I say "AWWW HELL NAW!".

The only possible benefit Columbus would have would be the need to install a real public transit system. If we could somehow get one of those, and I could be on vacation for a month during the games I say go for it. Maybe it would be an excuse to get the Columbus Crew a new stadium that they sorely need (the goddamn scoreboard caught on fire tonight)

Which is by far the most excitement a Crew fan has seen since the team arrived here.  FFS, the Stadium is only 14 years old, so don't biatch the Crew "badly" need a new stadium.


A lot has changed in MLS and in Columbus since 1998 when the stadium was built. For one, it was built for pennies and very hastily with the bare essentials because the team had nowhere to play due to renovations at Ohio Stadium. When Crew Stadium was built there was no Arena District, hell City Center Mall was the biggest downtown attraction. If they could build a modern stadium down in the Arena District it would be huge for the team and the city. As of now there is nothing to do after the games. Everyone just packs up and leaves since you cant walk anywhere. Downtown, fans would pour out of the stadium after a game and walk to one of the countless bars in the area.

Its all moot because the Hunt Sports Group which owns the Crew, FC Dallas and the Kansas City Chiefs throws nickels around like manhole covers and no way in hell would they finance a new stadium  nor would the city of Columbus pony up and significant money for it despite the sweetheart deal they gave the Blue Jackets with Nationwide Arena.

/now back to your regularly scheduled Olympics thread
 
2013-04-28 02:17:38 PM
Tulsa spelled backwards is a slut.
 
2013-04-28 02:43:09 PM
The Rio Olympics is going to be such an epic clusterfark that the IOC may just decide to build a "permanent" Summer Olympics site somewhere in Eastern Europe.

As a Brazilian friend of mine put it "By 2016 you won't even have a complete list of the people who need to be bribed to go and find out who *really* has to be bribed."
 
2013-04-28 02:52:29 PM

ybishop: I lived there. Could not pay me to ever go back.


this
 
2013-04-28 05:30:13 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The Rio Olympics is going to be such an epic clusterfark that the IOC may just decide to build a "permanent" Summer Olympics site somewhere in Eastern Europe.

As a Brazilian friend of mine put it "By 2016 you won't even have a complete list of the people who need to be bribed to go and find out who *really* has to be bribed."


I don't know, the IOC will say it's not right to deny other nations, especially in the lesser represented nations /continents the chance to host the game...

Ie. The IOC needs to keep moving to cash in on the upcoming nations before leaving them an empty husk with a collapsed economy (cough cough Greece cough cough)
 
2013-04-28 05:33:42 PM
Lived In Oklahoma  for twin years as a kid and i feel this is a bad idea, if Tulsa got The Olympics  my greatest fear is that some poor marathoner with fall in a pot hole and never been seen again.
 
2013-04-28 05:40:11 PM

grimlock1972: Lived In Oklahoma  for ten years as a kid and i feel this is a bad idea, if Tulsa got The Olympics  my greatest fear is that some poor marathoner with fall in a pot hole and never been seen again.


fixed it for my self.
 
2013-04-28 06:12:36 PM

grimlock1972: Lived In Oklahoma  for twin years as a kid and i feel this is a bad idea, if Tulsa got The Olympics  my greatest fear is that some poor marathoner with fall in a pot hole and never been seen again.


Plus, it would be 112 degrees at the start of the marathon and snowing at the end.
 
2013-04-28 06:14:18 PM

HotWingAgenda: ongbok: HotWingAgenda: The next American summer olympics should be somewhere in the Pac NW.

It should have been Chicago, but since a certain group of Americans was so dead set on submarineing Chicago's bid just to stick it to a certain politician, it didn't happen.

St Louis is like right f*cking next to Chicago.  There's no reason to give Illinois two olympic games.  Florida is too humid and full of poisonous critters, and Texas is too dry and full of people that are universally hated outside America.  Seattle or Portland would be perfect.


Please god, no!
 
2013-04-28 06:16:37 PM

thisispete: It would be nice to see it go to Nairobi or Durban, if they can put together an attractive bid. The Olympics have never been in Africa, and a lot of champion athletes come from there. The South Africans put together a pretty good World Cup a few years back, aside from the vuvuzelas and Nairobi is emerging as a hub for Africa.

At first glance India would be a good option too, but given the fallout from the 2010 Commonwealth Games, I don't think the IOC would find it an acceptable host.


How about no?
 
2013-04-28 06:22:24 PM

SomeoneDumb: If they don't get the nomination, will they steal it away in the middle of the night from the city that does?


Well done sir!
 
2013-04-28 06:24:23 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: a "permanent" Summer Olympics site


My vote is for Antarctica.  It would be special.
 
2013-04-28 06:34:11 PM
Wait wait wait wait.

Saint Louis wants to be an Olympic city?
 
2013-04-28 07:01:52 PM
Picture it:
Central KY, Dec 31, 1997.

A freshly minted 21 year-old and his 20 year-old friend set out for America's heartland in a faded out Ford hatchback. 
Destination Tulsa. 

We called it the dumbest trip ever. It was. 
1998 began for me on a bathroom floor in Joy's apartment. Joy made me a sandwich. 

My dad died later that year at age 48 of ocular melanoma. Took only 8 weeks. I blame Tulsa.
 
2013-04-28 07:25:35 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The Rio Olympics is going to be such an epic clusterfark that the IOC may just decide to build a "permanent" Summer Olympics site somewhere in Eastern Europe.

As a Brazilian friend of mine put it "By 2016 you won't even have a complete list of the people who need to be bribed to go and find out who *really* has to be bribed."


Let's see how all of Brazil handles hosting the FIFA World Cup next summer. That might be a good indicator of how they'll do for Rio 2016.
 
2013-04-28 08:21:32 PM
If making meth is an Olympic sport, they got it clinched.
 
2013-04-28 11:04:43 PM

SomeoneDumb: If they don't get the nomination, will they steal it away in the middle of the night from the city that does?


Oklahoma City can have it. I don't want that crap in or near my town.
 
2013-04-28 11:08:43 PM

bionicjoe: Picture it:
Central KY, Dec 31, 1997.

A freshly minted 21 year-old and his 20 year-old friend set out for America's heartland in a faded out Ford hatchback. 
Destination Tulsa. 

We called it the dumbest trip ever. It was. 
1998 began for me on a bathroom floor in Joy's apartment. Joy made me a sandwich. 

My dad died later that year at age 48 of ocular melanoma. Took only 8 weeks. I blame Tulsa.


Not So Cool Story, Bro.

Not sure what the story was about, not sure the conclusion.  Absolutely never heard of ocular melanoma before, but it sure sounds like Mother Nature was swinging a bad random-stick.  Raging skin cancer of the eye?  Sorry about that.

Tulsa's not that bad.

Nor that good.
 
2013-04-29 09:20:23 AM
No thanks - too much traffic already
 
2013-04-29 09:54:57 AM
FizixJunkee: re: ORU Praying Hands

The joke used to be if you flipped a dime at the statue the hands would open quickly and slap together catching the dime.
 
2013-04-29 12:09:44 PM

Marine1: Wait wait wait wait.

Saint Louis wants to be an Olympic city?


St. Louis WAS an Olympic city. Like anything good or interesting that isn't baseball-related in St. Louis, it happened a long time ago and is unlikely to happen again.

Examples: St. Louis hosted a World's Fair, a Summer Olympics, and the 1950 World Cup champion team was basically the Washington University varsity club. It used to have an NBA team, a North American Soccer League team, and another baseball team (AL) to go along with its current NL, NFL, and NHL franchises. As far as non-sport accomplishments, St. Louis was a top-10 city in population until the sixties, it was an early rival to Detroit in automotive manufacturing, it had a bigger blues/jazz scene than anywhere except Harlem, it was a major publishing and journalism headquarters, and was the center of American brewing. It's been on a long, slow decline since roughly 1950 or so, but it seems to have stabilized recently. But I doubt it ever makes it back anywhere near as good as it used to be.
 
2013-04-29 01:26:00 PM

phyrkrakr: Marine1: Wait wait wait wait.

Saint Louis wants to be an Olympic city?

St. Louis WAS an Olympic city. Like anything good or interesting that isn't baseball-related in St. Louis, it happened a long time ago and is unlikely to happen again.

Examples: St. Louis hosted a World's Fair, a Summer Olympics, and the 1950 World Cup champion team was basically the Washington University varsity club. It used to have an NBA team, a North American Soccer League team, and another baseball team (AL) to go along with its current NL, NFL, and NHL franchises. As far as non-sport accomplishments, St. Louis was a top-10 city in population until the sixties, it was an early rival to Detroit in automotive manufacturing, it had a bigger blues/jazz scene than anywhere except Harlem, it was a major publishing and journalism headquarters, and was the center of American brewing. It's been on a long, slow decline since roughly 1950 or so, but it seems to have stabilized recently. But I doubt it ever makes it back anywhere near as good as it used to be.


I wouldn't say it has stabilized...
 
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