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2013-04-27 08:05:14 PM
Comparing the Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts is a fallacy since they're completely different organizations.

The Boy Scouts don't let lesbians be Den Mothers, but they let straight women.
 
2013-04-27 08:31:27 PM
I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.
 
2013-04-27 09:01:13 PM
I'm all for equality, but that concept does not preclude the very real traits and stereotypes typically inherent to each sex.

And while you will always find a 15/15/5/1/whatever% of individuals in each sex that bucks the trend, there are generalizations that can be made about each.

Women are by and large the finer of the two sexes and can be seen as more sensual, more open to emotional exchange, more touchy feely and objectively considered by both sexes as the more beautiful.

Throughout our entire history the female body has always been placed on a bit higher pedestal by our species. Of course there are plenty of examples of admiration of the male body, but usually it seems framed in a more utilitarian and mechanical way. I think part of the homophobia in many men is that to consider a homosexual/bisexual lifestyle for many is to violate that masculine image that is so important to their self image. Where as for females it only further supports the feminine worship that we historically seem inclined to.

I would also pose with no supporting evidence that self avowed heterosexual women are far more likely to experiment with the same sex... and I'm also guessing a larger percentage of the female sex identify as bisexual.
 
2013-04-27 09:09:36 PM

MurphyMurphy: I'm all for equality, but that concept does not preclude the very real traits and stereotypes typically inherent to each sex.

And while you will always find a 15/15/5/1/whatever% of individuals in each sex that bucks the trend, there are generalizations that can be made about each.

Women are by and large the finer of the two sexes and can be seen as more sensual, more open to emotional exchange, more touchy feely and objectively considered by both sexes as the more beautiful.

Throughout our entire history the female body has always been placed on a bit higher pedestal by our species. Of course there are plenty of examples of admiration of the male body, but usually it seems framed in a more utilitarian and mechanical way. I think part of the homophobia in many men is that to consider a homosexual/bisexual lifestyle for many is to violate that masculine image that is so important to their self image. Where as for females it only further supports the feminine worship that we historically seem inclined to.

I would also pose with no supporting evidence that self avowed heterosexual women are far more likely to experiment with the same sex... and I'm also guessing a larger percentage of the female sex identify as bisexual.



Everything you said was true and you're going to get falaaaaamed for it.
 
2013-04-27 09:22:15 PM
Headline: Are lesbians more accepted than gay men? Well, duh, which kind of porn would you rather watch?

Well, going by that logic, why aren't transsexuals more accepted than lesbians TIMES gay men??
 
2013-04-27 09:22:58 PM
I bet both are more accepted than transsexuals. If I remember even Dan Savage at one time had an issue with transsexuals. He may be over that now.
 
2013-04-27 09:24:39 PM
Which kind would I want to watch...?
 
2013-04-27 09:26:41 PM
What kind of porn would you rather watch?

Gay porn, silly.

/female
 
2013-04-27 09:26:53 PM
Midget
 
2013-04-27 09:27:03 PM
Paging rugbyjock to the thread. Hot, sweaty rugbyjock.
 
2013-04-27 09:32:22 PM

MurphyMurphy: I'm all for equality, but that concept does not preclude the very real traits and stereotypes typically inherent to each sex.

And while you will always find a 15/15/5/1/whatever% of individuals in each sex that bucks the trend, there are generalizations that can be made about each.

Women are by and large the finer of the two sexes and can be seen as more sensual, more open to emotional exchange, more touchy feely and objectively considered by both sexes as the more beautiful.

Throughout our entire history the female body has always been placed on a bit higher pedestal by our species.


The Greeks might disagree with you. And while you may disagree with them on that point, they kind of are responsible for the majority of Western Civilization. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
 
2013-04-27 09:32:39 PM
In pop culture, lesbians have only sexuality and gay men have everything but sexuality. There's the "lesbian episode", but also the flamboyantly gay guy there from the start that's a humorous eunuch.

As to the article, no one is surprised when female athletes come out as gay. That's like a male interior decorator or figure skater coming out as gay.
 
2013-04-27 09:32:46 PM

Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.


Not if it comes from such places as Corbin Fis - I've said too much already.

*AHEM*...
 
2013-04-27 09:34:00 PM
"High-profile lesbian athletes have come out while still playing their sports, but not a single gay male athlete in major U.S. professional sports has done the same."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/boxing/2012/10/20/orlando-cruz- ga y-boxer-wins-first-fight-since-out/1646375/


I thought boxing's a major US sport? Maybe the writer just didn't do her research properly.
 
2013-04-27 09:34:13 PM
Acceptance wise, it probably doesn't hurt that the majority of women (at least nowadays) have have one or several or routine same-sex experiences.
 
2013-04-27 09:34:41 PM
A patriarchal society places higher value on heterosexuality in men than it places on heterosexuality in women because women are less important than men.
 
2013-04-27 09:35:37 PM

Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.


I am taking your bait as a straight male.

I said it before and I will say it again.  Anal sex is awesome.  Get someone you trust and go slow.  I've never received.

Do lesbians have anal sex?  Wait, I'm an idiot.  Of course.

Having read the article I can only say.  WE DON'T CARE.  Stop being gay in my face, just shut up, jesus. Good for you, you're persecuted.  Peel off that equal sign bumper sticker, no one gives a fark and stop paying Jesus freaks attention.  Blargh.

/analrapest at your service.
 
2013-04-27 09:36:07 PM

penthesilea: What kind of porn would you rather watch?

Gay porn, silly.

/female


you like watching two dudes do it?

ewwww
 
2013-04-27 09:36:37 PM
Summa cum loudly:

The Greeks might disagree with you. And while you may disagree with them on that point, they kind of are responsible for the majority of Western Civilization. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

The penis and male nudity in general didn't really become evil until the spread of Christianity. Everyone loved their fertility goddesses with their giant breasts and hips and fertility gods with genitalia the size of chariots
 
2013-04-27 09:38:25 PM
Paraphrased.

Elaine: WHY do men like lesbian porn?
Jerry:   Because it's hot!
Elaine: Yuck!
Jerry: Do you think women are beautiful?
Elaine: Yes.
Jerry: Does seeing two women kiss bother you?
Elaine: No
Jerry: Do you want to see two guys doing it?
Elaine: NO!!!!!!
Jerry: Well NEITHER DO I!!!!
 
2013-04-27 09:38:37 PM
Lesbians are great.  Even if you are not attracted to them you can girl-watch with them.  They are like the perfect female in that they can share interests with you.
 
2013-04-27 09:40:14 PM

douchebag/hater: Paraphrased.

Elaine: WHY do men like lesbian porn?
Jerry:   Because it's hot!
Elaine: Yuck!
Jerry: Do you think women are beautiful?
Elaine: Yes.
Jerry: Does seeing two women kiss bother you?
Elaine: No
Jerry: Do you want to see two guys doing it?
Elaine: NO!!!!!!
Jerry: Well NEITHER DO I!!!!



  Catfight..Catfight!!!  oh yeah yeah..Catfight!!!!!
 
2013-04-27 09:41:00 PM
Gay Male Porn Fap Attempt: FAILED

Gay Female Porn Fap Attempt: PASSED

End Test.
 
2013-04-27 09:43:02 PM

Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.


I'm shocked beyond belief to learn that there is a type of sexual activity you don't condone.
 
2013-04-27 09:44:40 PM

missmez: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

I'm shocked beyond belief to learn that there is a type of sexual activity you don't condone.


They're dudes and they poop from there.
 
2013-04-27 09:46:18 PM
Shemale porn, of course
 
2013-04-27 09:46:29 PM
Thought of the day:

On the Greek island of Lesbos, there is straight Lesbian porn.
 
2013-04-27 09:47:15 PM
My previous comment reminded me of something:

(NSFW I guess)
http://i.imgur.com/wYuTsW5.jpg
 
2013-04-27 09:47:28 PM

propasaurus: Shemale porn, of course



  It takes balls to be a transvestite...
 
2013-04-27 09:48:19 PM

MurphyMurphy: stereotypes


Everybody knows that women are shorter than men. This is an objective, quantifiable fact. Well, I mean, everybody knows that  on average, women are shorter than men. Because you could have a short guy and a tall woman, for example. As a rule, though, women are shorter than men, right?

Height is a wonderful attribute, as it follows a standard distribution. It's the classic bell curve. If you plot all humanity on a bell curve for height, you're going to get a peak at around 5'4". 95% of human beings are between 3'4" and 6'2".

When we break this down by gender, what do we see? Well, women average about 5'2", and 95% of women are between 3'4" and 5'9". Men average 5'6", and 95% of men are between 3'3" and 6'3". And whoa- suddenly you realize that most men and women are within a single standard deviation on height. Which is to say that while there might be a slight gender bias in terms of how tall someone might get, if you take people at random, you don't actually have a terribly high confidence that those two people are going to follow the trend.

And that's the problem with stereotypes. While something might be true for an  average person, the average person is a myth. There is no Mr. and Mrs. Average wandering up the byways of middle America. By making prior assumptions about what people are going to be like, solely based on gender (or race, or class, or whatever arbitrary grouping you apply), you're making an ass out of you and mption.
 
2013-04-27 09:49:51 PM

Hobodeluxe: penthesilea: What kind of porn would you rather watch?

Gay porn, silly.

/female

you like watching two dudes do it?

ewwww


img2-2.timeinc.net

Some do.
 
2013-04-27 09:50:15 PM
Interracial interspecies midget clown torture?
 
2013-04-27 09:50:33 PM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

I am taking your bait as a straight male.

I said it before and I will say it again.  Anal sex is awesome.  Get someone you trust and go slow.  I've never received.

Do lesbians have anal sex?  Wait, I'm an idiot.  Of course.

Having read the article I can only say.  WE DON'T CARE.  Stop being gay in my face, just shut up, jesus. Good for you, you're persecuted.  Peel off that equal sign bumper sticker, no one gives a fark and stop paying Jesus freaks attention.  Blargh.

/analrapest at your service.


People will stop being "gay in your face" at about the same time straight people stop being "straight" in your face.
 
2013-04-27 09:53:50 PM

GreenSun: "High-profile lesbian athletes have come out while still playing their sports, but not a single gay male athlete in major U.S. professional sports has done the same."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/boxing/2012/10/20/orlando-cruz- ga y-boxer-wins-first-fight-since-out/1646375/


I thought boxing's a major US sport? Maybe the writer just didn't do her research properly.


Not a major sport anymore.
 
2013-04-27 09:55:25 PM

Feral_and_Preposterous: Interracial interspecies

translesbian midget clown fecal torture?

FTFM. I'm not a homophobe but I'd rather watch this than two guys doing it.
 
2013-04-27 09:55:41 PM

Summa cum loudly: The Greeks might disagree with you. And while you may disagree with them on that point, they kind of are responsible for the majority of Western Civilization. Just thought I'd throw that out there.


How so? Just because they didn't have the rampant homophobia our culture is working to shed itself of doesn't detract from anything I said.

As to what they have contributed to Western Civilization this specific topic doesn't enter into it. We have many things to thank the Greeks for in modern society but our social mores are not among them.

In fact those are the specific mores where we stand in stark contrast and it's those mores that were identified and attacked as Christianity replaced Paganism.
 
2013-04-27 10:00:45 PM
Molavian: They're dudes and they poop from there.

Not right now, they don't.
 
2013-04-27 10:01:07 PM
Im guessing the headline is referring to acceptance from straight males.

Lesbians win, even the ugly ones.

Straight men feel that gay men have abandoned the brotherhood and that impedes acceptance.
 
2013-04-27 10:01:18 PM
Not major at all.  Never mind that the two highest paid athletes of 2012 were boxers.
 
2013-04-27 10:01:49 PM

Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.


Complete opposite here. Love me teh gay male prons, but keep the yucky women away from my eyes!

/female woman of the lady type
//only like guys, the more guys the better
 
2013-04-27 10:02:23 PM

ladyfortuna: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

Not if it comes from such places as Corbin Fis - I've said too much already.

*AHEM*...



*deletes browser history & bookmarks*
I have no idea what you are talking about.
 
2013-04-27 10:03:24 PM

TomD9938: Straight men feel that gay men have abandoned the brotherhood and that impedes acceptance.


Sure, but the truth of the matter is that gay dudes are helping us out because they're not competing with us anymore.
 
2013-04-27 10:04:43 PM
MurphyMurphy:

Nah, you just speak for the "beer and sports" part of the Fark population.
I have to admit that even though I'm a guy, I'm attracted to your raw display of pure machismo.
I guess they were right, I was turned gay by this thread.
 
2013-04-27 10:04:58 PM

ladyfortuna: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

Not if it comes from such places as Corbin Fis - I've said too much already.

*AHEM*...


OMG, CF has the HOTTEST guys, don't they?!!! *fans self*
 
2013-04-27 10:06:39 PM

Hobodeluxe: penthesilea: What kind of porn would you rather watch?

Gay porn, silly.

/female

you like watching two dudes do it?

ewwww


To you. To me *hummina, hummina*
 
2013-04-27 10:07:25 PM
i291.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-27 10:08:11 PM
conservapedia-lesbianism-is-totally-hot.jpg
 
2013-04-27 10:09:01 PM

penthesilea: What kind of porn would you rather watch?

Gay porn, silly.

/female


www.learnthailanguage.org I wrote a furry gay porn novel. Link in profile.

/I also write gay and threesome fanfiction
 
2013-04-27 10:12:10 PM
Bah. Cowards all. We are who we are, even if we're afraid of who we are. I look forward to a time when sexuality is irrelevant and not damning.

People can be such sick f*cks, whether gay or straight--or black or white or any other color, creed or whatever. In my perfect world, folks would all simply embrace that we are all LIVING (a marvel in itself) and wish to continue doing so. But I don't imagine I will ever see that world. I "has a sad" because of that.

Move along, nothing to see here...Get off the corner Johnny!
 
2013-04-27 10:12:48 PM
There was a lesbian couple that lived in the apartment above me for about a year. They never stopped fighting, throughout the night and day, just screaming near constantly. They were evicted after one of the stabbed the other. Since we could hear most everything they said and did, we heard the stabbing.

/neighbors across the hallway got busted with a lot of coke
//good times
 
2013-04-27 10:12:50 PM
So, straight guys like watching women go at it, and straight women like watching guys go at it. I think we've honed in on some kind of eternal truth here, folks. Good job!

/j/k
//kinda expected
 
2013-04-27 10:13:24 PM

t3knomanser: Everybody knows that women are shorter than men. This is an objective, quantifiable fact. Well, I mean, everybody knows that on average, women are shorter than men. Because you could have a short guy and a tall woman, for example. As a rule, though, women are shorter than men, right?

Height is a wonderful attribute, as it follows a standard distribution. It's the classic bell curve. If you plot all humanity on a bell curve for height, you're going to get a peak at around 5'4". 95% of human beings are between 3'4" and 6'2".

When we break this down by gender, what do we see? Well, women average about 5'2", and 95% of women are between 3'4" and 5'9". Men average 5'6", and 95% of men are between 3'3" and 6'3". And whoa- suddenly you realize that most men and women are within a single standard deviation on height. Which is to say that while there might be a slight gender bias in terms of how tall someone might get, if you take people at random, you don't actually have a terribly high confidence that those two people are going to follow the trend.

And that's the problem with stereotypes. While something might be true for an average person, the average person is a myth. There is no Mr. and Mrs. Average wandering up the byways of middle America. By making prior assumptions about what people are going to be like, solely based on gender (or race, or class, or whatever arbitrary grouping you apply), you're making an ass out of you and mption.


But you show the sterotype can hold true with your own stats. Just because you can increase your sample size to include everyone and show that technically across all of the species we are withing a negligible average difference, I think you find when you dig down to racial cross sections the data continues to support the stereotype no matter how small the deviation.

The average person is a myth? Yes, until he isn't. Sure, no family has 2.5 kids, but that doesn't mean the vast majority of them with children don't have 2 or 3.

Every couple I know, the husband is the taller. In fact as I look around my office now, there isn't one man shorter than any other woman in this building with maybe one exception (and I'm not about to go ask them to stand back to back).

A tall woman was slightly less rare when I was in the military, but again the stereotype you use as an example held true. These are isolated observations but valid observations none the less.

Now, either my observations are of a rare crosssection of society lacking any sort of diversity (falsely supporting the stereotype), my observable world is in itself a statistical anomaly or you just pointed out why there are lies, there are damned lies, and then there are statistics.
 
2013-04-27 10:15:28 PM

silvervial: So, straight guys like watching women go at it, and straight women like watching guys go at it. I think we've honed in on some kind of eternal truth here, folks. Good job!

/j/k
//kinda expected


I guess that's sorta true and since I'm bi I like both ; )
 
2013-04-27 10:16:26 PM

penthesilea: What kind of porn would you rather watch?

Gay porn, silly.

/female



img.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-27 10:16:49 PM

MurphyMurphy: sterotype


Obviously, you're on the shorter end of the norm, because that sound you just heard was the point flying waaaaaay over your head.
 
2013-04-27 10:18:43 PM

t3knomanser: MurphyMurphy: sterotype

Obviously, you're on the shorter end of the norm, because that sound you just heard was the point flying waaaaaay over your head.


What was your point? I for the life of me couldn't figure it out, something about men and women not actually having real height differences (dimorphisms)?
 
2013-04-27 10:19:03 PM
www.dmvfollowers.com

/loves lesbians
 
2013-04-27 10:19:49 PM
Speaking as someone who hangs out on tumblr and AO3.. in any fangirl driven fandom, you will find a LOT of male/male relationships.

I'm just saying.

/I like FrostIron, ShieldHusbands, and Science Boyfriends
//and Destiel, naturally
 
2013-04-27 10:21:12 PM

Paka Ono: [www.dmvfollowers.com image 480x600]

/loves lesbians


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoDpghAaXT4

/titty balls
 
2013-04-27 10:21:16 PM

AcesFull: propasaurus: Shemale porn, of course


  It takes balls to be a transvestite...


No. You mean transsexual.

You on a Friday night wearing a dress for laughs is transvestism.

The mooore you knoooow!!
 
2013-04-27 10:21:47 PM
Well, that's a silly question, sweet cheeks....
 
2013-04-27 10:24:26 PM
Im just not that into the girl on girl thing. Sure its entertaining for a few minutes, but the novelty quickly wears off.
 
2013-04-27 10:25:22 PM
great to know so many Farkers live in a fantasy masturbatory world. go outside some time and meet the bulk of real life lesbians. they're more manly than most of you, they hate you at a glance and they'll gladly kick your balls up to your throat 'because most men are rapist scum'. tolerance might be asked for but it isn't necessarily given.
 
2013-04-27 10:26:58 PM

MurphyMurphy: Throughout our entire history the female body has always been placed on a bit higher pedestal by our species. Of course there are plenty of examples of admiration of the male body, but usually it seems framed in a more utilitarian and mechanical way.


You have a point, but this is kind of wrong. Societies throughout history have celebrated male beauty as much as female. Phallic fertility Gods were as common in prehistoric societies as busty fertility Goddesses, though the Venus figurines are more famous. The Greeks and Romans both glorified the male body in sculpture. I think the homophobia issue is less about men sacrificing their masculine image, as about men submitting to other men. (Though it's a matter of cultural taboo more than anything.) To be the submissive partner in gay sex is to be "less of a man," because man is supposed to be supreme.
 
2013-04-27 10:28:52 PM
Lesbians are just kind of cute.  Its hard to get upset about them.  Every chick is a bit lesbo, so its not like the lesbians are all that different from other women.  Plus its not like they can have real sex since neither has a penis.  Gay guys on the other hand are just disgusting.  Before you go getting all crazy calling me a homophobe let me say that I have no problem with them doing whatever they want.  I even support their having the choice to marry.  I just find the idea of it repulsive and would rather not see or even think of it.
 
2013-04-27 10:31:07 PM
thread needs more pics of Lebanese chicks
 
2013-04-27 10:31:17 PM

KrispyKritter: great to know so many Farkers live in a fantasy masturbatory world. go outside some time and meet the bulk of real life lesbians. they're more manly than most of you, they hate you at a glance and they'll gladly kick your balls up to your throat 'because most men are rapist scum'. tolerance might be asked for but it isn't necessarily given.


Wow, talk about living in a fantasy world.
 
2013-04-27 10:31:19 PM

neuroflare: There was a lesbian couple that lived in the apartment above me for about a year. They never stopped fighting, throughout the night and day, just screaming near constantly. They were evicted after one of the stabbed the other. Since we could hear most everything they said and did, we heard the stabbing.

/neighbors across the hallway got busted with a lot of coke
//good times


You sound like you live in NYC.
 
2013-04-27 10:31:25 PM
I'm reminded of my favorite Youtube poop.

fark you, I'm not gay, I just like gay sex!
 
2013-04-27 10:32:32 PM
It's not that lesbians are more accepted by hetero men as compared to the frothing fear of gay men, but rather hetero men just don't take lesbianism seriously.

Girl-girl porn is a billion-dollar industry, with hetero men both creator and consumer, and men could care less if actors really are lesbian or if they're just faking like all women are expected to do, and do do, for men.  When the lesbo-porn fascination is combined with the fact that a biologically-born penis is usually nowhere near genuine lesbian action, hetero men spend very little time fretting over any perceived sexual threat to their manhood.  And where there is no serious sexual threat to hetero manhood, there is no reason to take it seriously at all, with men seeing lesbianism as an entertaining game staged merely for their amusement.
 
2013-04-27 10:32:34 PM
Porn sites that only have 5-6 categories, guaranteed that one of them is "Lesbian".  "Teen", "Mature", and "Lesbian" are all porn defaults.  Very rarely is "2 Dudes" a category on mainstream porn sites.
 
2013-04-27 10:33:11 PM

TheJoe03: TomD9938: Straight men feel that gay men have abandoned the brotherhood and that impedes acceptance.

Sure, but the truth of the matter is that gay dudes are helping us out because they're not competing with us anymore.


This.

I have never understood the antipathy of straight men toward gay men.

The dudes tend to have a perspective that I know I lack and they won't steal my woman. Similarly I can vet someone they're after and have absolutely no temptation to steal their man. You're each other's perfect wingmen on a night out.

I find lesbians to be annoying, typically speaking, especially the younger ones who seem to be on a man-hating jag more often than not. I am not oppressing you, I am certainly not apologizing for having a penis, and my buying you and your partner drinks is what friendly people do, not a seduction attempt; get the fark over yourselves.

As for porn - duh, the lesbian kind please. But in real life I'd much rather hang out with the gay dudes.
 
2013-04-27 10:33:30 PM

Ima4nic8or: Lesbians are just kind of cute.  Its hard to get upset about them.  Every chick is a bit lesbo, so its not like the lesbians are all that different from other women.  Plus its not like they can have real sex since neither has a penis.  Gay guys on the other hand are just disgusting.  Before you go getting all crazy calling me a homophobe let me say that I have no problem with them doing whatever they want.  I even support their having the choice to marry.  I just find the idea of it repulsive and would rather not see or even think of it.


Now what in the hell do you think is "real sex"?

Because coming at the same time is the ultimate goal.  And that is very much attained without a penis.

I'm not sure if I took some bait here, but sex and work are the only things I care about.  So, there.
 
2013-04-27 10:35:14 PM
All sex is acceptable except with children and non-consensual farm animals.
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-27 10:35:16 PM

halB: neuroflare: There was a lesbian couple that lived in the apartment above me for about a year. They never stopped fighting, throughout the night and day, just screaming near constantly. They were evicted after one of the stabbed the other. Since we could hear most everything they said and did, we heard the stabbing.

/neighbors across the hallway got busted with a lot of coke
//good times

You sound like you live in NYC.


Nope, Tempe!
 
2013-04-27 10:35:32 PM
Duh. Everyone knows lesbians aren't threatening because all the hot ones are one good deep dicking from a real man to go straight.
 
2013-04-27 10:37:04 PM

Dahnkster: All sex is acceptable except with children and non-consensual farm animals.
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x399]


What about consensual farm animals?
 
2013-04-27 10:37:39 PM
I can tell you why some men like lesbian porn: No cocks.

It's really that. Some men are so afraid to see another penis they can't even go into a locker room. Meanwhile I appreciate the application of a big hard cock in pounding pussy in the porn I watch.

i.qkme.me
 
2013-04-27 10:37:49 PM
With regards to violence/bullying, it's not surprising that gay men face more than lesbians, at least in public perception.  Attention is naturally drawn more towards physical violence and bullying, men tend to be more prone to physical aggression, and most men have it drilled into their heads from a young age that it's wrong to hit or threaten a woman ever under any circumstances.

In terms of public perception overall, most men probably have the most of their 'lesbian' exposure through porn, where most of the women involved in lesbian scenes also do straight scenes, so the implication becomes that lesbians only get it on with other girls in the absence of a man to really please them, or in order to please a man through the spectacle.

Plus, men are in the executive positions when it comes to most media outlets, and men like naked women regardless of what they're doing, I think this sums it up well.
 
2013-04-27 10:38:14 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: TheJoe03: TomD9938: Straight men feel that gay men have abandoned the brotherhood and that impedes acceptance.

Sure, but the truth of the matter is that gay dudes are helping us out because they're not competing with us anymore.

This.

I have never understood the antipathy of straight men toward gay men.

The dudes tend to have a perspective that I know I lack and they won't steal my woman. Similarly I can vet someone they're after and have absolutely no temptation to steal their man. You're each other's perfect wingmen on a night out.

I find lesbians to be annoying, typically speaking, especially the younger ones who seem to be on a man-hating jag more often than not. I am not oppressing you, I am certainly not apologizing for having a penis, and my buying you and your partner drinks is what friendly people do, not a seduction attempt; get the fark over yourselves.

As for porn - duh, the lesbian kind please. But in real life I'd much rather hang out with the gay dudes.


Aww, you're adorable. Isn't it past your bedtime? We wouldn't want you to get in trouble with your mommy and daddy for staying up when you're supposed to be fast asleep.
 
2013-04-27 10:39:23 PM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: AcesFull: propasaurus: Shemale porn, of course


  It takes balls to be a transvestite...

No. You mean transsexual.

You on a Friday night wearing a dress for laughs is transvestism.

The mooore you knoooow!!


  well...and just my opinion..But I'm pretty sure you're gonna lose the balls in a transsexual procedure...And I would think,if you're gonna practice "transvestism" and wear a dress on Friday night.."for laughs"..again,like I said..it takes balls.
 
2013-04-27 10:40:19 PM
blu.stb.s-msn.com
You see, there's really no difference. If I surprise-kissed Scarlett Johansson, she'd react in the same way.

/DNRTFA
 
2013-04-27 10:41:22 PM
Considering the number of fujoshi out there, and the popularity of yaoi shipping not just in anime fandom but everywhere... I know MY preferences, but I sure wouldn't place bets on what's more popular. Kyoani's recent announcement of their new anime kinda reinforces this:

ogmansblog.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-27 10:42:02 PM

bobtheallmighty: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

I am taking your bait as a straight male.

I said it before and I will say it again.  Anal sex is awesome.  Get someone you trust and go slow.  I've never received.

Do lesbians have anal sex?  Wait, I'm an idiot.  Of course.

Having read the article I can only say.  WE DON'T CARE.  Stop being gay in my face, just shut up, jesus. Good for you, you're persecuted.  Peel off that equal sign bumper sticker, no one gives a fark and stop paying Jesus freaks attention.  Blargh.

/analrapest at your service.

People will stop being "gay in your face" at about the same time straight people stop being "straight" in your face.


Really? I have not seen a "straight" bumper sticker.  Yet.  Like I said. Who effing cares. No matter how much I like to talk about it, no one gives a shiat what I do in the bedroom.  I suppose there is a silent majority and there is a very loud bunch of advocates, just like anything else.
 
2013-04-27 10:42:19 PM

Ima4nic8or: Lesbians are just kind of cute.  Its hard to get upset about them.  Every chick is a bit lesbo, so its not like the lesbians are all that different from other women.  Plus its not like they can have real sex since neither has a penis.  Gay guys on the other hand are just disgusting.  Before you go getting all crazy calling me a homophobe let me say that I have no problem with them doing whatever they want.  I even support their having the choice to marry.  I just find the idea of it repulsive and would rather not see or even think of it.


I'm sure many gay people feel the same way about straight people.

In my non professional opinion I think the main problem is with parents. To many parents respond to their child's first gay experiments with h fear that their child is "broken" and must be "fixed" despite most studies showing that its pretty normal even for straight kids to give it a try.

Again, Its again just my opinion that negative pressure aserted at a young age when dealing with sexual issues is one of the main problems...
 
2013-04-27 10:42:38 PM
Rynthetyn
Aww, you're adorable. Isn't it past your bedtime? We wouldn't want you to get in trouble with your mommy and daddy for staying up when you're supposed to be fast asleep.

I wasn't trolling, but thanks for leaping into my net?
 
2013-04-27 10:44:47 PM
JasonOfOrillia:
What about consensual farm animals?


Now yer' talkin'.
farm2.staticflickr.com
Find us some coffee enema-giving lesbian sisterwives and we got the makings for a religious experience.
 
2013-04-27 10:47:19 PM

NobleHam: MurphyMurphy: Throughout our entire history the female body has always been placed on a bit higher pedestal by our species. Of course there are plenty of examples of admiration of the male body, but usually it seems framed in a more utilitarian and mechanical way.

You have a point, but this is kind of wrong. Societies throughout history have celebrated male beauty as much as female. Phallic fertility Gods were as common in prehistoric societies as busty fertility Goddesses, though the Venus figurines are more famous. The Greeks and Romans both glorified the male body in sculpture. I think the homophobia issue is less about men sacrificing their masculine image, as about men submitting to other men. (Though it's a matter of cultural taboo more than anything.) To be the submissive partner in gay sex is to be "less of a man," because man is supposed to be supreme.


I was just looking for supposition to support what many of us would assume to be true; that is answering the question of of whether we perceive lesbians in a way that is more acceptable than gay men (we do) and why that might be.

When we discuss perceptions we have to throw textbook of truth and fact out the window because the very concept is usually bankrupt of true critical analysis.

The idea of a stereotype (separated completely from any type of bigotry) isn't in itself incorrect. It can be as simple as recognition of an observable pattern with no apparent scientific cause. Now, many perceptions (stereotypes) rarely hold true when picked apart and examined scientifically. (This is why we are usually wrong in assuming stereotypes to hold any sort of truth or basis in reality). This does not change the fact that they exist and in many cases appear to be correct. They may be logical fallacies, but this doesn't make them go away. Taking them for what they are is essential if we're to understand human perception because making them seems to come naturally to us.

I'm certain were we in ancient Greece we would answer the OP headline differently as they held different perceptions. As we would if we were living in some rare Amazonian tribe.  I did try to point out (as I thought of Greeks when I wrote that Weeners) that I think the reasons they admired the male form were apart from the reasons they admired the female.

As to almost every western society to form after the fall of Paganism, the admiration of the female form does seem more highly regarded than that of the male... but then we could also say that might be an effect of the male dominated culture most of these societies lived in. But that's another rant altogether.
 
2013-04-27 10:47:23 PM

adamatari: Considering the number of fujoshi out there, and the popularity of yaoi shipping not just in anime fandom but everywhere... I know MY preferences, but I sure wouldn't place bets on what's more popular. Kyoani's recent announcement of their new anime kinda reinforces this:

[ogmansblog.files.wordpress.com image 400x502]



Yeah. But manga/anime boys and girls all look the same. Slap a skirt and giant boobs on any of those figures on that cover and they're girls. The faces never differ.
 
2013-04-27 10:49:07 PM

GreenSun: "High-profile lesbian athletes have come out while still playing their sports, but not a single gay male athlete in major U.S. professional sports has done the same."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/boxing/2012/10/20/orlando-cruz- ga y-boxer-wins-first-fight-since-out/1646375/


I thought boxing's a major US sport? Maybe the writer just didn't do her research properly.


Author apparently didn't know about this guy, either.
 
2013-04-27 10:49:57 PM

skinink: I bet both are more accepted than transsexuals. If I remember even Dan Savage at one time had an issue with transsexuals. He may be over that now.


A lot of gays take issue with transsexuals, they consider them still closeted, sort of a "im a dude who likes the dick and i can admit that, im not a woman trapped in a mans body".


bobtheallmighty: People will stop being "gay in your face" at about the same time straight people stop being "straight" in your face.


Dont pretend there arent more than a few homosexuals who let themselves be entirely defined by their sexuality, and its annoying.
 
2013-04-27 10:53:25 PM
Dudes know about the kinds of gross, awful shiat that a dude will do and say in order to fark ladies. Now, instead there being ladies, imagine the kinds of gross, awful shiat two dudes who want to fark will do and say to each other. It's all the awfulness of a dude multiplied. I bet ladies are way more chill about that sort of thing. That's far more tolerable.
 
2013-04-27 10:53:34 PM

missmez: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

I'm shocked beyond belief to learn that there is a type of sexual activity you don't condone.



What did I just say? I fully condone all manner of consensual gay sex. Male gay sex is just terrifying and horrid, that's all. I don't get all pissy when gay guys criticise the hetero love. And they do.
 
2013-04-27 10:53:55 PM
personally, seeing two guys who are genuinely in love making out is sooo effing adorable :3

I think straight guys are afraid of gay guys because the straighties think they gay guys want to have sex with them and they're afraid they'll like it. I don't believe anyone is completely 100% straight or completely 100% gay anyway.
 
2013-04-27 10:54:41 PM

AcesFull: White_Scarf_Syndrome: AcesFull: propasaurus: Shemale porn, of course


  It takes balls to be a transvestite...

No. You mean transsexual.

You on a Friday night wearing a dress for laughs is transvestism.

The mooore you knoooow!!

  well...and just my opinion..But I'm pretty sure you're gonna lose the balls in a transsexual procedure...And I would think,if you're gonna practice "transvestism" and wear a dress on Friday night.."for laughs"..again,like I said..it takes balls.


Yeah, pretty much.  But, oh...oh god.  Usual she-male has a ....thingy... but there has to be a reverse thingy, with balls.  Ugh.  I just thought of a new "there is porn of it" in my head.

"Vest" or some derivation of it comes from some latin word to wear...or something.  I dunno, look it up.  I'm not sure why I get all Buzz Killington when it comes to referring to transvestites vs. transexuals.

So, anyone care to liven this thread up a bit??

Haw haw!!
 
2013-04-27 10:54:50 PM

silvervial: ladyfortuna: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

Not if it comes from such places as Corbin Fis - I've said too much already.

*AHEM*...

OMG, CF has the HOTTEST guys, don't they?!!! *fans self*


Holy mother of God! The Dean's List...Oooooh my God, The Dean's List...
 
2013-04-27 10:55:16 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Rynthetyn
Aww, you're adorable. Isn't it past your bedtime? We wouldn't want you to get in trouble with your mommy and daddy for staying up when you're supposed to be fast asleep.

I wasn't trolling, but thanks for leaping into my net?


Well then, if you weren't trolling, you really need to get out more.
 
2013-04-27 10:57:27 PM

ZeroCorpse: adamatari: Considering the number of fujoshi out there, and the popularity of yaoi shipping not just in anime fandom but everywhere... I know MY preferences, but I sure wouldn't place bets on what's more popular. Kyoani's recent announcement of their new anime kinda reinforces this:

[ogmansblog.files.wordpress.com image 400x502]


Yeah. But manga/anime boys and girls all look the same. Slap a skirt and giant boobs on any of those figures on that cover and they're girls. The faces never differ.


I can't be bothered to google Bridget from Guilty Gear and post a picture... So...

Link to Bridget
 
2013-04-27 10:58:07 PM
Of course lesbians can't knock each other up.. Er wait um.. never mind.
 
2013-04-27 10:58:08 PM
In theory (petite hotties making out) yes. In reality (bull dyke truckers smoking brown cigarettes while fluffing their flat tops) no.
 
2013-04-27 10:58:20 PM

Cyno01: skinink: I bet both are more accepted than transsexuals. If I remember even Dan Savage at one time had an issue with transsexuals. He may be over that now.

A lot of gays take issue with transsexuals, they consider them still closeted, sort of a "im a dude who likes the dick and i can admit that, im not a woman trapped in a mans body".


bobtheallmighty: People will stop being "gay in your face" at about the same time straight people stop being "straight" in your face.

Dont pretend there arent more than a few homosexuals who let themselves be entirely defined by their sexuality, and its annoying.


I wasent pretending anything thank you very much. Keep telling me what I think though, all ways good for a laugh.
 
2013-04-27 11:00:48 PM
On a less than serious note, go read all of the batshiat insane fangirly comments on the picture that John Barrowman instagrammed today of him and Nathan Fillion and get back to me about society.

The reality is that when people talk about "society", what they really mean is, "what straight males think." Women aren't even part of the discussion.
 
2013-04-27 11:05:02 PM
acceptable to whom?
 
2013-04-27 11:05:35 PM
digitalrain:

OMG, CF has the HOTTEST guys, don't they?!!! *fans self*

Holy mother of God! The Dean's List...Oooooh my God, The Dean's List...


My people! *hi-five*

Stumbled across it and hope they never fold...
 
2013-04-27 11:05:57 PM

adamatari: Considering the number of fujoshi out there, and the popularity of yaoi shipping not just in anime fandom but everywhere... I know MY preferences, but I sure wouldn't place bets on what's more popular. Kyoani's recent announcement of their new anime kinda reinforces this:

[ogmansblog.files.wordpress.com image 400x502]


farking ridiculous.  Those gay men are not standing on anything solid.  They would fall right in the pool.
 
2013-04-27 11:08:30 PM
Cyno01: skinink: I bet both are more accepted than transsexuals. If I remember even Dan Savage at one time had an issue with transsexuals. He may be over that now.

A lot of gays take issue with transsexuals, they consider them still closeted, sort of a "im a dude who likes the dick and i can admit that, im not a woman trapped in a mans body".

Which is absolutely idiotic, because there's a lot less social stigma for being gay than there is for trans people. Not to mention that there are an awful lot of trans women who are attracted to women, and by transitioning go from the social top of the heap as a heterosexual male to end up facing all the stigma of being a transgender lesbian.

Seriously, even if gay men may face more physical violence, educated white gay males are still awfully close to the top of the privilege heap by virtue of being educated white males.
 
2013-04-27 11:09:40 PM
The All-Powerful Atheismo: farking ridiculous. Those gay men are not standing on anything solid. They would fall right in the pool.

Incorrect. Gay men are less dense than water due to the lightness of their loafers. Look it up.
 
2013-04-27 11:09:52 PM

Foxxinnia: Dudes know about the kinds of gross, awful shiat that a dude will do and say in order to fark ladies. Now, instead there being ladies, imagine the kinds of gross, awful shiat two dudes who want to fark will do and say to each other. It's all the awfulness of a dude multiplied. I bet ladies are way more chill about that sort of thing. That's far more tolerable.


No, that's not true.

Awful people are awful people, no matter what their orientation.

So you can have a situation with gay guys like you described where one or both of them are manipulative or abusive. One of my lesbian friends just got out of a vicious relationship with a very unpleasant woman. I'm sad to see her heartbroken but I'm glad she's moving on.

Anecdotally: yeah, the bad male-male relationships suffer from philandering and dominance that destroy so many straight relationships. Female-female relationships get the passive-aggressive needling and bitter vindictiveness that you enjoyed so much in those ex-girlfriends you were glad to be rid of.

Then you get the couples who more or less have their shiat together and they're fun to be around - this is true regardless of orientation.
 
2013-04-27 11:14:01 PM
It's all fun and games until that nice lesbian couple living next to you hit menopause together.  When that happens, your only hope is to act like Newt from Aliens.
 
2013-04-27 11:17:24 PM

Krieghund: Comparing the Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts is a fallacy since they're completely different organizations.

The Boy Scouts don't let lesbians be Den Mothers, but they let straight women.


Hmm, that's an interesting point I hadn't thought about.  Invariably in BSA threads somebody gets up on the conspiracy theory that the BSA disallows gay men not because they're supposedly a bad example for the boys, but out of fear that they'll be unable to resist their urges to molest the kids.  Banning lesbians wouldn't be consistent with that view, since there wouldn't be any girls around for them to molest.
 
2013-04-27 11:17:57 PM

Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.


You sound like a self-hating closeted homo.
 
2013-04-27 11:19:57 PM

BarkingUnicorn: A patriarchal society places higher value on heterosexuality in men than it places on heterosexuality in women because women are less important than men.


Nonsense. Lesbianism is accepted because a caveman stumbling upon a pair of lesbians can hope to - and occasionally does - join in and get them both pregnant. Even if against their will. Thus the lesbianism trait gets passed on, and can actually furthers reproduction since 2 pregnancies can result.

A cavewoman stumbling upon a pair of dudes going at it can't get pregnant by both, and is unlikely to get pregnant at all if neither guy wants her or is too tired to service her.

Lesbianism is passed on and guys like it because it adds to reproductive success, while gay dude genes only get passed on when's gay dude suppresses his gayness and tries to be straight.

/ not that there's a gayness gen
// overly simplistic explanation due to being on phone.
 
2013-04-27 11:20:16 PM

rynthetyn: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Rynthetyn
Aww, you're adorable. Isn't it past your bedtime? We wouldn't want you to get in trouble with your mommy and daddy for staying up when you're supposed to be fast asleep.

I wasn't trolling, but thanks for leaping into my net?

Well then, if you weren't trolling, you really need to get out more.


I get out plenty.

I stated that I tend to dislike young lesbians because they're inappropriately hostile. Certainly not all, but enough to form a pattern that I've found to be right far more than it's wrong.

I understand why you would want to disagree with me, but surely there's a better way to do it than playing into my expectations.
 
2013-04-27 11:20:20 PM

Nuclear Monk: It's all fun and games until that nice lesbian couple living next to you hit menopause together.  When that happens, your only hope is to act like Newt from Aliens.


I think you might have just won something for that comment. You're lucky the coffee missed my phone XD
 
2013-04-27 11:21:32 PM

rynthetyn: On a less than serious note, go read all of the batshiat insane fangirly comments on the picture that John Barrowman instagrammed today of him and Nathan Fillion and get back to me about society.

The reality is that when people talk about "society", what they really mean is, "what straight males think." Women aren't even part of the discussion.


You have a point.  As long as the vast majority of executive positions in media outlets are held by white heterosexual males, the output of those outlets is going to be normalized to a degree to the views of most white heterosexual males.

When some Yaoi fans enter positions of power, maybe we'll see a push to normalize that type of behavior, but for now pop culture is predominantly determined, whether consciously or not, by the perceptions, perversions, and prejudices of a group of predominantly straight white guys.
 
2013-04-27 11:22:11 PM

AloysiusSnuffleupagus: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

You sound like a self-hating closeted homo.


If that makes you feel better
 
2013-04-27 11:22:35 PM

AloysiusSnuffleupagus: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

You sound like a self-hating closeted homo.


Why is it a big deal if a straight person finds gay sex gross? I wouldn't be mad if gay people said they thought straight sex was gross. Bill Burr said it better than me when he brought up how people into feet grossed him out but that doesn't mean he wants to take their rights away.
 
2013-04-27 11:24:28 PM

skinink: I bet both are more accepted than transsexuals. If I remember even Dan Savage at one time had an issue with transsexuals. He may be over that now.


Dan Savage has issues with anyone who isn't a gay man.  Transsexuals, bisexuals, lesbians.... he only fights for a rather small segment of the LBGTQ community, and the rest can go hang as far as he cares.
 
2013-04-27 11:28:08 PM

GreenSun: "High-profile lesbian athletes have come out while still playing their sports, but not a single gay male athlete in major U.S. professional sports has done the same."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/boxing/2012/10/20/orlando-cruz- ga y-boxer-wins-first-fight-since-out/1646375/


I thought boxing's a major US sport? Maybe the writer just didn't do her research properly.


Every Olympic diver/swimmer?  Or are they still considered "amateurs"?
 
2013-04-27 11:34:16 PM

Nuclear Monk: It's all fun and games until that nice lesbian couple living next to you hit menopause together.  When that happens, your only hope is to act like Newt from Aliens.


ultraholland: The All-Powerful Atheismo: farking ridiculous. Those gay men are not standing on anything solid. They would fall right in the pool.

Incorrect. Gay men are less dense than water due to the lightness of their loafers. Look it up.


This thread delivers. Study it out.
 
2013-04-27 11:35:50 PM

Turbo Cojones: GreenSun: "High-profile lesbian athletes have come out while still playing their sports, but not a single gay male athlete in major U.S. professional sports has done the same."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/boxing/2012/10/20/orlando-cruz- ga y-boxer-wins-first-fight-since-out/1646375/


I thought boxing's a major US sport? Maybe the writer just didn't do her research properly.

Every Olympic diver/swimmer?  Or are they still considered "amateurs"?


Boxing is a sport, diving and swimming are sports, none of them are 'major'.  In the US major sports are Football, Basketball, Baseball, maybe Hockey (still on the edge but gaining ground) and on the outside looking in, Soccer (though with more immigration from south of the border, the Soccer situation can only get better).
 
2013-04-27 11:36:16 PM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: AcesFull: White_Scarf_Syndrome: AcesFull: propasaurus: Shemale porn, of course


  It takes balls to be a transvestite...

No. You mean transsexual.

You on a Friday night wearing a dress for laughs is transvestism.

The mooore you knoooow!!

  well...and just my opinion..But I'm pretty sure you're gonna lose the balls in a transsexual procedure...And I would think,if you're gonna practice "transvestism" and wear a dress on Friday night.."for laughs"..again,like I said..it takes balls.

Yeah, pretty much.  But, oh...oh god.  Usual she-male has a ....thingy... but there has to be a reverse thingy, with balls.  Ugh.  I just thought of a new "there is porn of it" in my head.

"Vest" or some derivation of it comes from some latin word to wear...or something.  I dunno, look it up.  I'm not sure why I get all Buzz Killington when it comes to referring to transvestites vs. transexuals.

So, anyone care to liven this thread up a bit??

Haw haw!!


I will amend my original answer from "she male porn" to "TS/TV/CD porn."
 
2013-04-27 11:36:51 PM

Dahnkster: All sex is acceptable except with children and non-consensual farm animals.
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x399]


Does peanut butter = consent?

I'm asking for a friend.
 
2013-04-27 11:37:27 PM

MurphyMurphy: I'm all for equality, but that concept does not preclude the very real traits and stereotypes typically inherent to each sex.

And while you will always find a 15/15/5/1/whatever% of individuals in each sex that bucks the trend, there are generalizations that can be made about each.

Women are by and large the finer of the two sexes and can be seen as more sensual, more open to emotional exchange, more touchy feely and objectively considered by both sexes as the more beautiful.

Throughout our entire history the female body has always been placed on a bit higher pedestal by our species. Of course there are plenty of examples of admiration of the male body, but usually it seems framed in a more utilitarian and mechanical way. I think part of the homophobia in many men is that to consider a homosexual/bisexual lifestyle for many is to violate that masculine image that is so important to their self image. Where as for females it only further supports the feminine worship that we historically seem inclined to.

I would also pose with no supporting evidence that self avowed heterosexual women are far more likely to experiment with the same sex... and I'm also guessing a larger percentage of the female sex identify as bisexual.


Men are amazed at things that bleed for seven days and don't die.
 
2013-04-27 11:38:47 PM

R.A.Danny: Dahnkster: All sex is acceptable except with children and non-consensual farm animals.
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x399]

Does peanut butter = consent?

I'm asking for a friend.


Well, okay, I'll be your friend.

Where on my body would you like the peanut butter?
 
2013-04-27 11:39:28 PM

BarkingUnicorn: A patriarchal society places higher value on heterosexuality in men than it places on heterosexuality in women because women are less important than men.


In a word,  hegemonic masculinity.  Well, ok, two words.
 
2013-04-27 11:42:45 PM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Having read the article I can only say.  WE DON'T CARE.  Stop being gay in my face, just shut up, jesus. Good for you, you're persecuted.  Peel off that equal sign bumper sticker, no one gives a fark and stop paying Jesus freaks attention.  Blargh.



It's always fun when someone gets so angry and worked up about how they don't care about a topic.  You don't care so much you're red in the face.
 
2013-04-27 11:46:57 PM

ciberido: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Having read the article I can only say.  WE DON'T CARE.  Stop being gay in my face, just shut up, jesus. Good for you, you're persecuted.  Peel off that equal sign bumper sticker, no one gives a fark and stop paying Jesus freaks attention.  Blargh.


It's always fun when someone gets so angry and worked up about how they don't care about a topic.  You don't care so much you're red in the face.


Kinda funny how that works.
 
2013-04-27 11:48:17 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: R.A.Danny: Dahnkster: All sex is acceptable except with children and non-consensual farm animals.
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x399]

Does peanut butter = consent?

I'm asking for a friend.

Well, okay, I'll be your friend.

Where on my body would you like the peanut butter?


I got a nut allergy.
 
2013-04-27 11:49:34 PM
Personally?  I'd rather watch two men going at it than two women.  I'm not attracted to women, so I wouldn't see the point of watching two of them pretend to be lesbians for however long it takes one to give the other an orgasm.  At least with gay male porn, I'm watching a gender I'm sexually attracted to doing sexual things.  That said, I think in general people are more accepting of lesbians than gay men because lesbian sex isn't seen as "dirty" by the more close-minded segments of our population.
 
2013-04-27 11:50:39 PM

MurphyMurphy: Summa cum loudly: The Greeks might disagree with you. And while you may disagree with them on that point, they kind of are responsible for the majority of Western Civilization. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

How so? Just because they didn't have the rampant homophobia our culture is working to shed itself of doesn't detract from anything I said.

As to what they have contributed to Western Civilization this specific topic doesn't enter into it. We have many things to thank the Greeks for in modern society but our social mores are not among them.

In fact those are the specific mores where we stand in stark contrast and it's those mores that were identified and attacked as Christianity replaced Paganism.




The invented a little thing we call democracy. You may have heard of it? It's something they used to teach grade schoolers along with the melting pot.
 
2013-04-27 11:51:14 PM

TuteTibiImperes: rynthetyn: On a less than serious note, go read all of the batshiat insane fangirly comments on the picture that John Barrowman instagrammed today of him and Nathan Fillion and get back to me about society.

The reality is that when people talk about "society", what they really mean is, "what straight males think." Women aren't even part of the discussion.

You have a point.  As long as the vast majority of executive positions in media outlets are held by white heterosexual males, the output of those outlets is going to be normalized to a degree to the views of most white heterosexual males.

When some Yaoi fans enter positions of power, maybe we'll see a push to normalize that type of behavior, but for now pop culture is predominantly determined, whether consciously or not, by the perceptions, perversions, and prejudices of a group of predominantly straight white guys.


You'd think that network heads and studio execs would look at the numbers and realize that even though the LGBTQ contingent isn't that large of a demographic, straight females are eating that shiat up. A huge portion of the Glee audience is watching for Kurt and Blaine, and then you've got your shippers working overtime watching Supernatural, tumblr practically broke when The Doctor kissed Rory (even though it wasn't remotely a romantic thing), and well, the USA Network's bread and butter is the bromance. You'd think with all that they'd get the hint.
 
2013-04-27 11:53:24 PM

Coco LaFemme: close-minded


Not arguing, but does having preferences make you close-minded?
 
2013-04-27 11:55:10 PM
Are straight women really "two beers away from being bi?" Here comes the science. (Source: NYT)
 Dr. Chivers, a research fellow at the Center for Addiction and Mental Health at the University of Toronto ... published results of a study in which she showed people video clips of naked men and women in various sexual and nonsexual situations and measured their genital arousal. ...


"Heterosexual women are responding to women, which is counterintuitive," Dr. Chivers said. "Why are women so turned on by watching other women?" Straight and gay men, as well as lesbians, were more predictably aroused by images of their preferred sex, Dr. Chivers found. ...

"To conclude that women are bisexual on the basis of their sexual responding overlooks the complexity and multidimensionality of female sexuality," she wrote in her paper. She did allow that the apparent flexibility of women "may be related to greater potential for bisexuality in women than in men."


Giggity.

Dr. Chivers and her colleagues found women slightly but significantly aroused by footage of bonobo chimps mating. Men showed no such response.

Eew.
 
2013-04-27 11:56:53 PM
BTW, can someone explain to me what this crap is about how all heterosexual women are secretly interested in getting it on with another woman.  I'm a heterosexual woman, and I have never  in my life thought about having sex with another woman.  I don't get that shiat.  Not the two women having sex bit, the other part.  A few weeks ago my boyfriend and I were at a dinner party some mutual friends were throwing and the female half of that couple is bisexual and she asked me if I ever experimented with women in college, and I just gave her a funny look and said, "Fark no, I'm straight."  She seemed honestly perplexed by my answer.  She was like, "I thought all girls experiment in college.  Didn't you have a few drinks and make out with a roommate?"  After I told her I don't drink and had no interest in women in anyway that would require them to remove their panties in my presence, she said I was weird.

Am I weird?  I don't think I'm weird.  Do bisexual/gay men think it's weird when straight guys say they have no interest in experimenting with men?  I think not.  So why is it only women that get called weird for that?
 
2013-04-27 11:59:45 PM

Coco LaFemme: Am I weird?  I don't think I'm weird.  Do bisexual/gay men think it's weird when straight guys say they have no interest in experimenting with men?  I think not.  So why is it only women that get called weird for that?


You're not weird, but you can't deny women seem more open to homosexual experiences than men.
 
2013-04-27 11:59:48 PM

ultraholland: Molavian: They're dudes and they poop from there.

Not right now, they don't.


Classic.
 
2013-04-28 12:00:04 AM

Coco LaFemme: BTW, can someone explain to me what this crap is about how all heterosexual women are secretly interested in getting it on with another woman.  I'm a heterosexual woman, and I have never  in my life thought about having sex with another woman.  I don't get that shiat.  Not the two women having sex bit, the other part.  A few weeks ago my boyfriend and I were at a dinner party some mutual friends were throwing and the female half of that couple is bisexual and she asked me if I ever experimented with women in college, and I just gave her a funny look and said, "Fark no, I'm straight."  She seemed honestly perplexed by my answer.  She was like, "I thought all girls experiment in college.  Didn't you have a few drinks and make out with a roommate?"  After I told her I don't drink and had no interest in women in anyway that would require them to remove their panties in my presence, she said I was weird.

Am I weird?  I don't think I'm weird.  Do bisexual/gay men think it's weird when straight guys say they have no interest in experimenting with men?  I think not.  So why is it only women that get called weird for that?


Do you live in a sitcom? Who on real life says "Did you experiment in college?"
 
2013-04-28 12:01:00 AM

Coco LaFemme: BTW, can someone explain to me what this crap is about how all heterosexual women are secretly interested in getting it on with another woman.


Wishful thinking.

Coco LaFemme: Am I weird?


You're on Fark on a Saturday night, you're at least as weird as the rest of us.
 
2013-04-28 12:01:29 AM

ultraholland: thread needs more pics of Lebanese chicks


www.explosm.net
Now I'm hungry.
 
2013-04-28 12:02:04 AM

R.A.Danny: Coco LaFemme: close-minded

Not arguing, but does having preferences make you close-minded?


Not at all.  I have preferences and do's/don'ts when it comes to sex, but that's down to what I'm comfortable doing, not what I think is gross/not gross.  I don't think anal sex is gross, it's just not for me.  However, we're talking about people who already view homosexuals, whether they're male or female, as some circus oddity to be gawked at on the midway.  I can totally see them rationalizing lesbian sex as okay because no buttholes are involved, but gay male sex as wrong because they are.
 
2013-04-28 12:03:50 AM

R.A.Danny: Coco LaFemme: BTW, can someone explain to me what this crap is about how all heterosexual women are secretly interested in getting it on with another woman.

Wishful thinking.

Coco LaFemme: Am I weird?

You're on Fark on a Saturday night, you're at least as weird as the rest of us.


Well, I take that as a badge of honor.  Ordinarily I wouldn't be on Fark right now, but the boyfriend is out of town visiting family and well, I'm bored.
 
2013-04-28 12:04:44 AM

Coco LaFemme: BTW, can someone explain to me what this crap is about how all heterosexual women are secretly interested in getting it on with another woman.  I'm a heterosexual woman, and I have never  in my life thought about having sex with another woman.  I don't get that shiat.  Not the two women having sex bit, the other part.  A few weeks ago my boyfriend and I were at a dinner party some mutual friends were throwing and the female half of that couple is bisexual and she asked me if I ever experimented with women in college, and I just gave her a funny look and said, "Fark no, I'm straight."  She seemed honestly perplexed by my answer.  She was like, "I thought all girls experiment in college.  Didn't you have a few drinks and make out with a roommate?"  After I told her I don't drink and had no interest in women in anyway that would require them to remove their panties in my presence, she said I was weird.

Am I weird?  I don't think I'm weird.  Do bisexual/gay men think it's weird when straight guys say they have no interest in experimenting with men?  I think not.  So why is it only women that get called weird for that?


What? Pretty much any time a straight male says they don't like or are not interested in in gay sex, that is ipso facto proof they are secretly gay. For some reason this is treated as an argument winner, when really it deserves the answer the Joker got from the Batman in Dark Knight.
 
2013-04-28 12:05:48 AM
 
2013-04-28 12:05:52 AM

BarkingUnicorn: A patriarchal society places higher value on heterosexuality in men than it places on heterosexuality in women because women are less  more important than men.


In a patriarchy, Women are objects. Objects having relationships with objects is irrelevant.

As long as most women give in, the rest can be raped into productive re-productivity if necessary, and most women dabble, so as long as we can believe that they'll all eventually pick a penis when they want a baby (and therefore the 'best' penis, which is really the ultimate gauge of competition)

Men are either competition, superiors or inferiors (winners, losers or competing) . A real gay relationship implies that one or both of the men have given up the competition process that is at the center or hetero value, therefore giving up an important part of manliness.
 
2013-04-28 12:07:32 AM

hundreddollarman: Here's the thing about lesbian porn for me. The Eastern European stuff is well-shot, with beautiful girls and very sensual. But it's also kind of boring. It's basically a half-hour of foreplay -- Girl A licks Girl B, then Girl B reciprocates. The American stuff has hot chicks and variety as far as sex acts go, but it's almost like watching straight porn, i.e. spitting, choking, dirty talk that's more inadvertently hilarious that it is arousing. I hope someone's gonna get it right and realize there's a middle ground there.



Two words: Abby Winters


/The Australians got it right
 
2013-04-28 12:07:57 AM

rubi_con_man: BarkingUnicorn: A patriarchal society places higher value on heterosexuality in men than it places on heterosexuality in women because women are less  more important than men.

In a patriarchy, Women are objects. Objects having relationships with objects is irrelevant.

As long as most women give in, the rest can be raped into productive re-productivity if necessary, and most women dabble, so as long as we can believe that they'll all eventually pick a penis when they want a baby (and therefore the 'best' penis, which is really the ultimate gauge of competition)

Men are either competition, superiors or inferiors (winners, losers or competing) . A real gay relationship implies that one or both of the men have given up the competition process that is at the center or hetero value, therefore giving up an important part of manliness.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-28 12:07:57 AM
I prefer Log Jammin
 
2013-04-28 12:09:18 AM

rubi_con_man: Men are either competition, superiors or inferiors (winners, losers or competing) . A real gay relationship implies that one or both of the men have given up the competition process that is at the center or hetero value, therefore giving up an important part of manliness.


You can't have a friend without trying to compete with him? This is what you think of all the other guys in your immediate area? You may benefit from some couchwork.
 
2013-04-28 12:10:21 AM

Coco LaFemme: After I told her I don't drink and had no interest in women in anyway that would require them to remove their panties in my presence, she said I was weird.

Am I weird?  I don't think I'm weird.  Do bisexual/gay men think it's weird when straight guys say they have no interest in experimenting with men?  I think not.  So why is it only women that get called weird for that?


So let me get this straight : You turned down someone who was even mildly interested in sexing you up and they insulted you ? That sounds par for the course for humanity.
 
2013-04-28 12:11:08 AM

BarkingUnicorn: A patriarchal society places higher value on heterosexuality in men than it places on heterosexuality in women because women are less important than men.


0/10, didn't get any bites... but I LOL'd.

t3knomanser:
....
Height is a wonderful attribute, as it follows a standard distribution. It's the classic bell curve. If you plot all humanity on a bell curve for height, you're going to get a peak at around 5'4". 95% of human beings are between 3'4" and 6'2". ....


tl;dr

Nutshell: Average height for American women, 5'4"-5'5", American men, 5'10". Different in other countries, but men are always taller than women by a few inches.

So what does that mean, other than that men are superior/dominant? Nothing really, except for women's height fetish, which puts certain guys who are 5'8" at a definite disadvantage.

/biatches
 
2013-04-28 12:11:31 AM
On a lark, some friends and I walked into a porn shop. The group was about even, male/female. This was way back in college, and we had the "experimenting" guy with us, along with the dude who would eventually pop his cherry that weekend. Myself and most of the others started cruising the normal videos: teen, mature, boobies, etc. took most of us a second to notice "Dave" and his soon to be bf were transfixed by the display behind the counter: 3 guys, all muscled up, going at it. Dave's mouth was open, complete slack jaw. "Tim" was rapt, breathing heavily, and glancing at Dave periodically, as if to judge his reaction. One of the girls went over and started watching too. Myself and the other guys, being hetero, took one look at what was on the screen and called it a day. That was the first and last time I will ever look at gay porn. That image is burned into my brain for all time. MANY kittens died that night, I can tell you.
say what you will, I believe the gay population find hetero sex just as revolting as we heteros find gay porn revolting, that being the same sex as the person(s) watching. This has been backed up by several friends saying just that when asked the question.
 
2013-04-28 12:12:31 AM

Fano: Coco LaFemme: BTW, can someone explain to me what this crap is about how all heterosexual women are secretly interested in getting it on with another woman.  I'm a heterosexual woman, and I have never  in my life thought about having sex with another woman.  I don't get that shiat.  Not the two women having sex bit, the other part.  A few weeks ago my boyfriend and I were at a dinner party some mutual friends were throwing and the female half of that couple is bisexual and she asked me if I ever experimented with women in college, and I just gave her a funny look and said, "Fark no, I'm straight."  She seemed honestly perplexed by my answer.  She was like, "I thought all girls experiment in college.  Didn't you have a few drinks and make out with a roommate?"  After I told her I don't drink and had no interest in women in anyway that would require them to remove their panties in my presence, she said I was weird.

Am I weird?  I don't think I'm weird.  Do bisexual/gay men think it's weird when straight guys say they have no interest in experimenting with men?  I think not.  So why is it only women that get called weird for that?

What? Pretty much any time a straight male says they don't like or are not interested in in gay sex, that is ipso facto proof they are secretly gay. For some reason this is treated as an argument winner, when really it deserves the answer the Joker got from the Batman in Dark Knight.


You must mean Joel Schumacher's Batman And Robin. Because, y'know, nipple suits.
 
2013-04-28 12:12:57 AM

R.A.Danny: You can't have a friend without trying to compete with him? This is what you think of all the other guys in your immediate area? You may benefit from some couchwork.


I think the premise of my response was 'in a Patriarchy' ... I don't know that we live in a patriarchy.
 
2013-04-28 12:13:28 AM

R.A.Danny: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: R.A.Danny: Dahnkster: All sex is acceptable except with children and non-consensual farm animals.
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x399]

Does peanut butter = consent?

I'm asking for a friend.

Well, okay, I'll be your friend.

Where on my body would you like the peanut butter?

I got a nut allergy.


LOL. Well-played.

Coco LaFemme
BTW, can someone explain to me what this crap is about how all heterosexual women are secretly interested in getting it on with another woman. I'm a heterosexual woman, and I have never in my life thought about having sex with another woman.

This is consistent with my experience: that heterosexual women find lesbianism repulsive. Furthermore, they tend to enjoy gay male porn.

I think it's for the same reason hetero men enjoy lesbian porn: in both cases you can mentally assume the role of either or both of the partners on screen without seeing genitalia that you're not interested in. Homosexual porn: it works for everyone!

I agree with rynthetyn, too. Studio execs are totally leaving money on the table here for stupid and sexist reasons. Now, if chicks could get better softcore porn than freaking Twilight and Fifty Shades of Grey, the world might end up a better place.
 
2013-04-28 12:14:29 AM

rubi_con_man: Coco LaFemme: After I told her I don't drink and had no interest in women in anyway that would require them to remove their panties in my presence, she said I was weird.

Am I weird?  I don't think I'm weird.  Do bisexual/gay men think it's weird when straight guys say they have no interest in experimenting with men?  I think not.  So why is it only women that get called weird for that?

So let me get this straight : You turned down someone who was even mildly interested in sexing you up and they insulted you ? That sounds par for the course for humanity.


I didn't say she was interested in sexing me up.  My gaydar only works on men, but she's not to my knowledge actually hit on me.  I'd be flattered, but I'd have to pass.  No, she was legitimately asking me if I'd ever experimented in college with women because she thought everyone did, and I told her I didn't.....which she thought was weird.
 
2013-04-28 12:18:48 AM

Coco LaFemme: rubi_con_man: Coco LaFemme: After I told her I don't drink and had no interest in women in anyway that would require them to remove their panties in my presence, she said I was weird.

Am I weird?  I don't think I'm weird.  Do bisexual/gay men think it's weird when straight guys say they have no interest in experimenting with men?  I think not.  So why is it only women that get called weird for that?

So let me get this straight : You turned down someone who was even mildly interested in sexing you up and they insulted you ? That sounds par for the course for humanity.

I didn't say she was interested in sexing me up.  My gaydar only works on men, but she's not to my knowledge actually hit on me.  I'd be flattered, but I'd have to pass.  No, she was legitimately asking me if I'd ever experimented in college with women because she thought everyone did, and I told her I didn't.....which she thought was weird.


Sounds like she was a little defensive, or your response was genuinely counter to her experiences.

I think the fact that you don't drink might be entangled somehow... Perhaps people who are equally straight 'experiment' while drinking in college?
 
2013-04-28 12:20:41 AM

rubi_con_man: Coco LaFemme: rubi_con_man: Coco LaFemme: After I told her I don't drink and had no interest in women in anyway that would require them to remove their panties in my presence, she said I was weird.

Am I weird?  I don't think I'm weird.  Do bisexual/gay men think it's weird when straight guys say they have no interest in experimenting with men?  I think not.  So why is it only women that get called weird for that?

So let me get this straight : You turned down someone who was even mildly interested in sexing you up and they insulted you ? That sounds par for the course for humanity.

I didn't say she was interested in sexing me up.  My gaydar only works on men, but she's not to my knowledge actually hit on me.  I'd be flattered, but I'd have to pass.  No, she was legitimately asking me if I'd ever experimented in college with women because she thought everyone did, and I told her I didn't.....which she thought was weird.

Sounds like she was a little defensive, or your response was genuinely counter to her experiences.

I think the fact that you don't drink might be entangled somehow... Perhaps people who are equally straight 'experiment' while drinking in college?




People that don't drink are hiding something.
 
2013-04-28 12:21:52 AM

Trance354: On a lark, some friends and I walked into a porn shop. The group was about even, male/female. This was way back in college, and we had the "experimenting" guy with us, along with the dude who would eventually pop his cherry that weekend. Myself and most of the others started cruising the normal videos: teen, mature, boobies, etc. took most of us a second to notice "Dave" and his soon to be bf were transfixed by the display behind the counter: 3 guys, all muscled up, going at it. Dave's mouth was open, complete slack jaw. "Tim" was rapt, breathing heavily, and glancing at Dave periodically, as if to judge his reaction. One of the girls went over and started watching too. Myself and the other guys, being hetero, took one look at what was on the screen and called it a day. That was the first and last time I will ever look at gay porn. That image is burned into my brain for all time. MANY kittens died that night, I can tell you.
say what you will, I believe the gay population find hetero sex just as revolting as we heteros find gay porn revolting, that being the same sex as the person(s) watching. This has been backed up by several friends saying just that when asked the question.


"It is, for many people, a phase."
 
2013-04-28 12:22:19 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: R.A.Danny: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: R.A.Danny: Dahnkster: All sex is acceptable except with children and non-consensual farm animals.
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x399]

Does peanut butter = consent?

I'm asking for a friend.

Well, okay, I'll be your friend.

Where on my body would you like the peanut butter?

I got a nut allergy.

LOL. Well-played.

Coco LaFemme
BTW, can someone explain to me what this crap is about how all heterosexual women are secretly interested in getting it on with another woman. I'm a heterosexual woman, and I have never in my life thought about having sex with another woman.

This is consistent with my experience: that heterosexual women find lesbianism repulsive. Furthermore, they tend to enjoy gay male porn.

I think it's for the same reason hetero men enjoy lesbian porn: in both cases you can mentally assume the role of either or both of the partners on screen without seeing genitalia that you're not interested in. Homosexual porn: it works for everyone!

I agree with rynthetyn, too. Studio execs are totally leaving money on the table here for stupid and sexist reasons. Now, if chicks could get better softcore porn than freaking Twilight and Fifty Shades of Grey, the world might end up a better place.


I don't find lesbianism repulsive.  It's not for me, but that doesn't mean it's filthy or something.  I mean, let's break it down here, what happens in lesbian porn?  Oral sex, fingering, making out, touching....all stuff I like my boyfriend to do.  Maybe some heterosexual women find the idea of two women having sex repulsive, but they're just doing stuff with each other you want your man to do to you/with you, so finding it repulsive seems a bit hypocritical to me.
 
2013-04-28 12:22:43 AM
I've lived in Provincetown, Ma which is like gay disneyland for over 40 years on and off, family came from there.   I don't care if it's man on man or girl on girl but lesbians in porn are not the norm in real life.  Most of them would look like they'd be more likely to chop down a tree with an axe than what you see in porn.  Most lesbians have more male traits, like how they act, and most male homosexuals are more effeminate than you would expect a man to act.   I don't care what they do with each other, and my 11 yr. old daughter is ok with it since she spends a lot of time there.   Basically I look at being gay as a genetic mistake that I ignore .    I will say that lesbians in p-town are more aggressive towards straight people than they were in the past.   Like yelling derogetary things at me for no reason just passing them on my way through town unprovoked.
 
2013-04-28 12:24:07 AM

Coco LaFemme: Well, I take that as a badge of honor.  Ordinarily I wouldn't be on Fark right now, but the boyfriend is out of town visiting family and well, I'm bored.


Call up a girlfriend. Have a pillow fight.
 
2013-04-28 12:26:06 AM
   I have a male cousin who is gay...He was born that way. Period...It is difficult to hear some folks say no one can be born that way,when you've actually watched a kid from birth grow to manhood and never ever change...I just want anyone who might give me an opinion,understand where I'm at on that...
  With that being said...Can one be born bi-sexual??  or is that primarily a choice?
 
2013-04-28 12:26:09 AM

rubi_con_man: Coco LaFemme: rubi_con_man: Coco LaFemme: After I told her I don't drink and had no interest in women in anyway that would require them to remove their panties in my presence, she said I was weird.

Am I weird?  I don't think I'm weird.  Do bisexual/gay men think it's weird when straight guys say they have no interest in experimenting with men?  I think not.  So why is it only women that get called weird for that?

So let me get this straight : You turned down someone who was even mildly interested in sexing you up and they insulted you ? That sounds par for the course for humanity.

I didn't say she was interested in sexing me up.  My gaydar only works on men, but she's not to my knowledge actually hit on me.  I'd be flattered, but I'd have to pass.  No, she was legitimately asking me if I'd ever experimented in college with women because she thought everyone did, and I told her I didn't.....which she thought was weird.

Sounds like she was a little defensive, or your response was genuinely counter to her experiences.


I'd say the latter, not the former.  I didn't mean to make her sound like a biatch or something, she's not, she just seemed honestly perplexed.  Which is cool; I love confusing people.


StoPPeRmobile: rubi_con_man: Coco LaFemme: rubi_con_man: Coco LaFemme: After I told her I don't drink and had no interest in women in anyway that would require them to remove their panties in my presence, she said I was weird.

Am I weird?  I don't think I'm weird.  Do bisexual/gay men think it's weird when straight guys say they have no interest in experimenting with men?  I think not.  So why is it only women that get called weird for that?

So let me get this straight : You turned down someone who was even mildly interested in sexing you up and they insulted you ? That sounds par for the course for humanity.

I didn't say she was interested in sexing me up.  My gaydar only works on men, but she's not to my knowledge actually hit on me.  I'd be flattered, but I'd have to pass.  No, she was legitimately asking me if I'd ever experimented in college with women because she thought everyone did, and I told her I didn't.....which she thought was weird.

Sounds like she was a little defensive, or your response was genuinely counter to her experiences.

I think the fact that you don't drink might be entangled somehow... Perhaps people who are equally straight 'experiment' while drinking in college?

People that don't drink are hiding something.


Maybe they just have the experience of dealing with alcoholic family members, and thus even the idea of drinking is repugnant to them.  You know, something like that.  Doesn't always have to be mysterious.
 
2013-04-28 12:28:00 AM

Notabunny: Trance354: On a lark, some friends and I walked into a porn shop. The group was about even, male/female. This was way back in college, and we had the "experimenting" guy with us, along with the dude who would eventually pop his cherry that weekend. Myself and most of the others started cruising the normal videos: teen, mature, boobies, etc. took most of us a second to notice "Dave" and his soon to be bf were transfixed by the display behind the counter: 3 guys, all muscled up, going at it. Dave's mouth was open, complete slack jaw. "Tim" was rapt, breathing heavily, and glancing at Dave periodically, as if to judge his reaction. One of the girls went over and started watching too. Myself and the other guys, being hetero, took one look at what was on the screen and called it a day. That was the first and last time I will ever look at gay porn. That image is burned into my brain for all time. MANY kittens died that night, I can tell you.
say what you will, I believe the gay population find hetero sex just as revolting as we heteros find gay porn revolting, that being the same sex as the person(s) watching. This has been backed up by several friends saying just that when asked the question.

"It is, for many people, a phase."


GHAA! (NSFW - language) Sorry.
 
2013-04-28 12:33:36 AM

laid back w/bud light: I've lived in Provincetown, Ma which is like gay disneyland for over 40 years on and off, family came from there.   I don't care if it's man on man or girl on girl but lesbians in porn are not the norm in real life.  Most of them would look like they'd be more likely to chop down a tree with an axe than what you see in porn.  Most lesbians have more male traits, like how they act, and most male homosexuals are more effeminate than you would expect a man to act.   I don't care what they do with each other, and my 11 yr. old daughter is ok with it since she spends a lot of time there.   Basically I look at being gay as a genetic mistake that I ignore .    I will say that lesbians in p-town are more aggressive towards straight people than they were in the past.   Like yelling derogetary things at me for no reason just passing them on my way through town unprovoked.


Yet, strangely, I don't feel sorry for you.
 
2013-04-28 12:41:21 AM
Depends subby, are we talking real lesbians or "lesbians" here.

"Lesbians" are about as genuine as "I can't believe it's not butter" and watching two lumberjacks wrestle around naked to emo music is a cruel and unusual regardless of what gender they patron in the bathrooms.
 
2013-04-28 12:42:25 AM
Coco LaFemme
I don't find lesbianism repulsive. It's not for me, but that doesn't mean it's filthy or something.

Sorry, imprecise language on my part, but I think we're on the same page.

For what it's worth, the worst thing about male-on-male stuff is the anal. I don't like male-on-female anal for exactly the same reasons I don't like male-on-male anal.

On the other hand, blowjobs are awesome and a girlfriend once stimulated my prostate with a vibrator to my perineum. It was awesome! So, like you, I feel like it would be hypocritical to say I hate it or even that I don't "get it".

Still, when presented with a choice, I choose lesbian or hetero porn over gay porn. If I am in a situation where gay porn is being displayed, sometimes I'll watch (eh, why not?) but more often than not I'll actively go find something else to do. That's what I meant by "repulsive", though that's way too strong of a word.
 
2013-04-28 12:44:57 AM

Notabunny: Notabunny: Trance354: On a lark, some friends and I walked into a porn shop. The group was about even, male/female. This was way back in college, and we had the "experimenting" guy with us, along with the dude who would eventually pop his cherry that weekend. Myself and most of the others started cruising the normal videos: teen, mature, boobies, etc. took most of us a second to notice "Dave" and his soon to be bf were transfixed by the display behind the counter: 3 guys, all muscled up, going at it. Dave's mouth was open, complete slack jaw. "Tim" was rapt, breathing heavily, and glancing at Dave periodically, as if to judge his reaction. One of the girls went over and started watching too. Myself and the other guys, being hetero, took one look at what was on the screen and called it a day. That was the first and last time I will ever look at gay porn. That image is burned into my brain for all time. MANY kittens died that night, I can tell you.
say what you will, I believe the gay population find hetero sex just as revolting as we heteros find gay porn revolting, that being the same sex as the person(s) watching. This has been backed up by several friends saying just that when asked the question.

"It is, for many people, a phase."

GHAA! (NSFW - language) Sorry.


People aren't going to complain about the NSFW language, it's more likely that you're going to get the "GHAAA DAN SAVAGE IS BIPHOBIC!!!!" response. Never mind that it's actually true that while there are unquestionably bi people, pretty much every gay person tried to convince themselves they were bi at one point in their life.
 
2013-04-28 12:47:57 AM

Coco LaFemme: BTW, can someone explain to me what this crap is about how all heterosexual women are secretly interested in getting it on with another woman.  I'm a heterosexual woman, and I have never  in my life thought about having sex with another woman.  I don't get that shiat.  Not the two women having sex bit, the other part.  A few weeks ago my boyfriend and I were at a dinner party some mutual friends were throwing and the female half of that couple is bisexual and she asked me if I ever experimented with women in college, and I just gave her a funny look and said, "Fark no, I'm straight."  She seemed honestly perplexed by my answer.  She was like, "I thought all girls experiment in college.  Didn't you have a few drinks and make out with a roommate?"  After I told her I don't drink and had no interest in women in anyway that would require them to remove their panties in my presence, she said I was weird.

Am I weird?  I don't think I'm weird.  Do bisexual/gay men think it's weird when straight guys say they have no interest in experimenting with men?  I think not.  So why is it only women that get called weird for that?


Cause its never been the "in thing" to feed guys shots at a party till you convince them to make out.

however most women ive gotten to know over the years admit to doing it atleast once or twice.

so either guys dont do it at all. Or they do without an audience and never speak of it.

she figures your weird cause Im sure her and all her girlfriends had a kick or two at that can.

less about being bi sexual and more about putting on a show
 
2013-04-28 12:49:02 AM
Doesn't EVERYBODY love titties though?
 
2013-04-28 12:49:50 AM

GreenSun: "High-profile lesbian athletes have come out while still playing their sports, but not a single gay male athlete in major U.S. professional sports has done the same."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/boxing/2012/10/20/orlando-cruz- ga y-boxer-wins-first-fight-since-out/1646375/


I thought boxing's a major US sport? Maybe the writer just didn't do her research properly.


Boxing is somewhere between lacrosse and spelling bees in terms of popularity
 
2013-04-28 12:50:05 AM
Maybe I'm the only straight guy in the world who feels this way, but I find lesbian porn kinda boring. I want to see women stimulating a peener in some way, and imagine that it's mine. Stimulating a vag with other appendages is something I'm happy to do for a partner, but for her sake; it doesn't do anything for me, and I'm not particularly interested in watching someone -- guy or girl -- do it. NTTAWWT.

But I say this in the relative anonymity of a Fark thread. IRL, "oh yeah, I love it when biatches be boffing!" 'Cuz, you know, I'm not ghey or nothin'.
 
2013-04-28 12:55:36 AM
Man, some of us women like porn, but getting good free porn for us is not easy.  I don't want to see two chicks getting it on.  I don't get turned on by women giving blowjobs.  Hell, I have to REALLY like a man to give him a BJ, that's why it's called a JOB.  I'm tired of all the sex up the butt.  It's not sexy, just sleazy.  Two guys on one chick is now just gross for me.  It was sexy for a while, but not anymore.  I don't want to see some goofy romance story either.  I think more women need to direct these videos.
 
2013-04-28 12:57:16 AM
Lets see two women lezzing out is just a guy away from being every strait guys fantasy.

A couple of gay guys doing it is just a big headed banjo boy away from being every strait guys worst nightmare.
 
2013-04-28 12:58:56 AM

gerbilpox: Maybe I'm the only straight guy in the world who feels this way, but I find lesbian porn kinda boring. I want to see women stimulating a peener in some way, and imagine that it's mine. Stimulating a vag with other appendages is something I'm happy to do for a partner, but for her sake; it doesn't do anything for me, and I'm not particularly interested in watching someone -- guy or girl -- do it. NTTAWWT.

But I say this in the relative anonymity of a Fark thread. IRL, "oh yeah, I love it when biatches be boffing!" 'Cuz, you know, I'm not ghey or nothin'.


I'm in the same boat, seems like a whole lotta foreplay and no real action. It's nice to watch but I stick to straight porn for the most part.
 
2013-04-28 12:58:59 AM

Caffandtranqs: Man, some of us women like porn, but getting good free porn for us is not easy.  I don't want to see two chicks getting it on.  I don't get turned on by women giving blowjobs.  Hell, I have to REALLY like a man to give him a BJ, that's why it's called a JOB.  I'm tired of all the sex up the butt.  It's not sexy, just sleazy.  Two guys on one chick is now just gross for me.  It was sexy for a while, but not anymore.  I don't want to see some goofy romance story either.  I think more women need to direct these videos.


Oddly enough many guys are just the opposite. They can get all the romantic lovemaking they need, they wanna watch the wrong items going in the wrong holes, spitting, gaping, screaming, and ruined makeup. Stuff they would never really want to do with someone they cared for, more like stunt sex. Probably how Sasha Grey got to be so popular.
 
2013-04-28 01:00:02 AM

God-is-a-Taco: In pop culture, lesbians have only sexuality and gay men have everything but sexuality. There's the "lesbian episode", but also the flamboyantly gay guy there from the start that's a humorous eunuch.

As to the article, no one is surprised when female athletes come out as gay. That's like a male interior decorator or figure skater coming out as gay.


I think it's more than that--in our culture, women are safe and harmless, even when expressing sexuality. Maybe especially then. But men are taken as threats, and therefore trigger the 'I must hurt anything different' urge. If we saw it the other way around, we'd see the trends flip too.
 
2013-04-28 01:00:49 AM
Krieghund
Put the beer down.  Your bio pic makes you look like Artie Lange before he quit drinking.  Nice gutt fatso.  You ever had dikes yell at you for no reason, or gay men tell you they want something from you, NO.  So take your stupid quote back to wherever you come from.
 
2013-04-28 01:01:04 AM
I forgot to mention my biggest grievance with porn.  There is/are always some ugly motherfarkers doing the women.  Do the directors go out and look for any ugly bastid off the street to do these things?
 
2013-04-28 01:02:07 AM

AcesFull:    I have a male cousin who is gay...He was born that way. Period...It is difficult to hear some folks say no one can be born that way,when you've actually watched a kid from birth grow to manhood and never ever change...I just want anyone who might give me an opinion,understand where I'm at on that...
  With that being said...Can one be born bi-sexual??  or is that primarily a choice?


The human brain works on the principle of thresholds. I think bisexuality is an extension of that.

There's a phenomenon of "situational homosexuality". For example, all-male boarding schools. The preference might be for females, but given the lack of them, the boys developed homosexual relationships. The impulse for sexuality exceeded the threshold of orientation.

Or you have women who have a traumatic falling out with a man and get into a temporary romance with a woman before going back to men. The impulse for a safe sexual relationship exceeded the threshold of orientation.

On the same principle from the opposite direction, I had a lesbian manager once who went through a nasty breakup with her partner and got into a temporary relationship with my male coworker.

To some degree it's a choice, and I believe some people may be born with lower thresholds than others, and I believe that situation and environment show that orientation is neither rigid nor binary. But this is barstool sociology, so take it for what you will :)
 
2013-04-28 01:02:54 AM

AcesFull:    I have a male cousin who is gay...He was born that way. Period...It is difficult to hear some folks say no one can be born that way,when you've actually watched a kid from birth grow to manhood and never ever change...I just want anyone who might give me an opinion,understand where I'm at on that...
  With that being said...Can one be born bi-sexual??  or is that primarily a choice?


In my case it was a choice. Brought on by having un restricted internet access during puberty and having delt with for the most part bitachy deceitful gold digging selfish
did I mention deceitful? women.

I passed along my genetic material. Ive got a son and I hope he manges to avoid the kinds of women Ive dated.

first hooked up with a guy at a rave when I was 19.
out of all my sexual partners about 1/4 have been male.
dont date guys. Never have anyways.
never once caught myself turning my head in awe of a guy.
but cant help but notice a hot girl.

so ya in my case anyways. Total choice
 
2013-04-28 01:04:55 AM
fapz
 
2013-04-28 01:08:14 AM

rynthetyn: TuteTibiImperes: rynthetyn: On a less than serious note, go read all of the batshiat insane fangirly comments on the picture that John Barrowman instagrammed today of him and Nathan Fillion and get back to me about society.

The reality is that when people talk about "society", what they really mean is, "what straight males think." Women aren't even part of the discussion.

You have a point.  As long as the vast majority of executive positions in media outlets are held by white heterosexual males, the output of those outlets is going to be normalized to a degree to the views of most white heterosexual males.

When some Yaoi fans enter positions of power, maybe we'll see a push to normalize that type of behavior, but for now pop culture is predominantly determined, whether consciously or not, by the perceptions, perversions, and prejudices of a group of predominantly straight white guys.

You'd think that network heads and studio execs would look at the numbers and realize that even though the LGBTQ contingent isn't that large of a demographic, straight females are eating that shiat up. A huge portion of the Glee audience is watching for Kurt and Blaine, and then you've got your shippers working overtime watching Supernatural, tumblr practically broke when The Doctor kissed Rory (even though it wasn't remotely a romantic thing), and well, the USA Network's bread and butter is the bromance. You'd think with all that they'd get the hint.


All that, AND the slashfic fandoms that have sprung up around practically every show and movie - even bands. Pretty much exclusively straight females write and read it, though I have seen some male readers, which is fabulous, in more than one way :D
 
2013-04-28 01:08:44 AM

Fano: Duh. Everyone knows lesbians aren't threatening because all the hot ones are one good deep dicking from a real man to go straight.


That would be more funny if corrective rape didn't actually happen.
 
2013-04-28 01:09:31 AM

rynthetyn: Notabunny: Notabunny: Trance354: On a lark, some friends and I walked into a porn shop. The group was about even, male/female. This was way back in college, and we had the "experimenting" guy with us, along with the dude who would eventually pop his cherry that weekend. Myself and most of the others started cruising the normal videos: teen, mature, boobies, etc. took most of us a second to notice "Dave" and his soon to be bf were transfixed by the display behind the counter: 3 guys, all muscled up, going at it. Dave's mouth was open, complete slack jaw. "Tim" was rapt, breathing heavily, and glancing at Dave periodically, as if to judge his reaction. One of the girls went over and started watching too. Myself and the other guys, being hetero, took one look at what was on the screen and called it a day. That was the first and last time I will ever look at gay porn. That image is burned into my brain for all time. MANY kittens died that night, I can tell you.
say what you will, I believe the gay population find hetero sex just as revolting as we heteros find gay porn revolting, that being the same sex as the person(s) watching. This has been backed up by several friends saying just that when asked the question.

"It is, for many people, a phase."

GHAA! (NSFW - language) Sorry.

People aren't going to complain about the NSFW language, it's more likely that you're going to get the "GHAAA DAN SAVAGE IS BIPHOBIC!!!!" response. Never mind that it's actually true that while there are unquestionably bi people, pretty much every gay person tried to convince themselves they were bi at one point in their life.


GHAA! YOU ARE CORRECT! I was just hoping to placate the mods who might wonder if my previous post would offend a sponsor. Drew is cool. But sometimes it takes a while for reality and money to catch up to each other.
 
2013-04-28 01:09:36 AM

rubi_con_man: BarkingUnicorn: A patriarchal society places higher value on heterosexuality in men than it places on heterosexuality in women because women are less  more important than men.

In a patriarchy, Women are objects. Objects having relationships with objects is irrelevant.

As long as most women give in, the rest can be raped into productive re-productivity if necessary, and most women dabble, so as long as we can believe that they'll all eventually pick a penis when they want a baby (and therefore the 'best' penis, which is really the ultimate gauge of competition)

Men are either competition, superiors or inferiors (winners, losers or competing) . A real gay relationship implies that one or both of the men have given up the competition process that is at the center or hetero value, therefore giving up an important part of manliness.


What's sad is this kind of stuff is actually taught in some college classes.
 
2013-04-28 01:10:09 AM
There's a phenomenon of "situational homosexuality". For example, all-male boarding schools. The preference might be for females, but given the lack of them, the boys developed homosexual relationships. The impulse for sexuality exceeded the threshold of orientation.

Oops, dropped a thought here: after graduation, the boys in homosexual relationships severed their ties and picked up heterosexual relationships.

Anyway, here's a wiki article on it:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situa tional_sexual_behavior
 
2013-04-28 01:13:40 AM

Coco LaFemme: BTW, can someone explain to me what this crap is about how all heterosexual women are secretly interested in getting it on with another woman.  I'm a heterosexual woman, and I have never  in my life thought about having sex with another woman.  I don't get that shiat.  Not the two women having sex bit, the other part.  A few weeks ago my boyfriend and I were at a dinner party some mutual friends were throwing and the female half of that couple is bisexual and she asked me if I ever experimented with women in college, and I just gave her a funny look and said, "Fark no, I'm straight."  She seemed honestly perplexed by my answer.  She was like, "I thought all girls experiment in college.  Didn't you have a few drinks and make out with a roommate?"  After I told her I don't drink and had no interest in women in anyway that would require them to remove their panties in my presence, she said I was weird.

Am I weird?  I don't think I'm weird.  Do bisexual/gay men think it's weird when straight guys say they have no interest in experimenting with men?  I think not.  So why is it only women that get called weird for that?


No, you're not weird. I'm exactly the same way. Women do not interest me in the slightest, drunk or high or not. I'm straight. That means I like teh cawk. I have never and will never get with a woman - she does not have what I'm interested in. I don't even like she-males, even though there is a "tootsie-roll" there. Not attracted to boobs, don't like them, don't want to touch them, don't want to look at them. If I ever did feel the urge to, I have some on my own chest to touch or look at.

And no, getting me drunk will not change my mind or my orientation.

/nice pecs and a lean six pack, that little ridge over the hipbones
//oh yeah, now you're talking
 
2013-04-28 01:14:25 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: bobtheallmighty: People will stop being "gay in your face" at about the same time straight people stop being "straight" in your face.

Really? I have not seen a "straight" bumper sticker.  Yet.  Like I said. Who effing cares. No matter how much I like to talk about it, no one gives a shiat what I do in the bedroom.  I suppose there is a silent majority and there is a very loud bunch of advocates, just like anything else.


Really?  You've never seen a "baby on board" sign on a car, or those little stick figure symbols on the windscreen depicting a man, a woman, and their children?  You've never seen a wedding ring in your life?  You've never heard a man refer to "my wife" or a woman refer to "my husband"?  You've never seen a man and a woman kiss, or even just hold hands, in public?  You've never seen someone put a picture of their spouse on their desk at work?

Are you lying or are you just a complete idiot?
 
2013-04-28 01:14:33 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: There's a phenomenon of "situational homosexuality". For example, all-male boarding schools. The preference might be for females, but given the lack of them, the boys developed homosexual relationships. The impulse for sexuality exceeded the threshold of orientation.

Oops, dropped a thought here: after graduation, the boys in homosexual relationships severed their ties and picked up heterosexual relationships.

Anyway, here's a wiki article on it:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situa tional_sexual_behavior


Oh you mean like prison.
tends to happen in female boarding schools and prisons to.

male or female. Sex eventually becomes a need. Not quite like food or water. But close.

Thats why I think prostitution should be legal and acceptable.
hell it would make it easier for women to date because they wouldnt encounter the over sexed aint been laid in 3 years kinda guy. And guys can avoid the whole Im gonna wait till youve spent X amount of dollars before I sleep with you kinda chick.

people need sex or they get weird
 
2013-04-28 01:14:37 AM

R.A.Danny: Caffandtranqs: Man, some of us women like porn, but getting good free porn for us is not easy.  I don't want to see two chicks getting it on.  I don't get turned on by women giving blowjobs.  Hell, I have to REALLY like a man to give him a BJ, that's why it's called a JOB.  I'm tired of all the sex up the butt.  It's not sexy, just sleazy.  Two guys on one chick is now just gross for me.  It was sexy for a while, but not anymore.  I don't want to see some goofy romance story either.  I think more women need to direct these videos.

Oddly enough many guys are just the opposite. They can get all the romantic lovemaking they need, they wanna watch the wrong items going in the wrong holes, spitting, gaping, screaming, and ruined makeup. Stuff they would never really want to do with someone they cared for, more like stunt sex. Probably how Sasha Grey got to be so popular.


Oh, I know.  The popularity of all that stuff speaks for what the male audience wants to see.  I don't know who Sasha Grey is, but it is also important for me to have the woman be good looking as well.  When the chicks have fake boobs that look like they have rivets or kind of boxlike when they are laying down is ugly to me.  Yes, I'm quite aware that you men don't necessarily want what you see in film.  It has never been assumed by any of my boyfriends to do any of those things.
 
2013-04-28 01:14:47 AM
I love watching people expressing affection, I like so see women expressing carnal lust without the motivation of a man's desire, that being said the vast majority of porn just doesn't deliver. "Lesbian" porn just seems like that bi for show thing that's been happening lately. Or maybe I need to find a better class of porn.
 
2013-04-28 01:15:38 AM

silvervial: /nice pecs and a lean six pack, that little ridge over the hipbones


I keep reading "Beer gut and receding hairline"
 
2013-04-28 01:17:56 AM
I am a carpet munchin' lesbian trapped in a man's body.
 
2013-04-28 01:23:50 AM

silvervial: rynthetyn: TuteTibiImperes: rynthetyn: On a less than serious note, go read all of the batshiat insane fangirly comments on the picture that John Barrowman instagrammed today of him and Nathan Fillion and get back to me about society.

The reality is that when people talk about "society", what they really mean is, "what straight males think." Women aren't even part of the discussion.

You have a point.  As long as the vast majority of executive positions in media outlets are held by white heterosexual males, the output of those outlets is going to be normalized to a degree to the views of most white heterosexual males.

When some Yaoi fans enter positions of power, maybe we'll see a push to normalize that type of behavior, but for now pop culture is predominantly determined, whether consciously or not, by the perceptions, perversions, and prejudices of a group of predominantly straight white guys.

You'd think that network heads and studio execs would look at the numbers and realize that even though the LGBTQ contingent isn't that large of a demographic, straight females are eating that shiat up. A huge portion of the Glee audience is watching for Kurt and Blaine, and then you've got your shippers working overtime watching Supernatural, tumblr practically broke when The Doctor kissed Rory (even though it wasn't remotely a romantic thing), and well, the USA Network's bread and butter is the bromance. You'd think with all that they'd get the hint.

All that, AND the slashfic fandoms that have sprung up around practically every show and movie - even bands. Pretty much exclusively straight females write and read it, though I have seen some male readers, which is fabulous, in more than one way :D


True. After all, the granddaddy of all slashfic, and the one that gave slash it's name was Kirk/Spock, and that was entirely the invention of straight women. Also, I'm pretty sure that Tumblr and Twitter would both break from all of the squeeing if various members of 1 Direction came out and announced that they dating each other.
 
2013-04-28 01:26:12 AM
The snarky headline would work more if real life lesbians actually looked like the ones in porn.
 
2013-04-28 01:27:11 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: The human brain works on the principle of thresholds. I think bisexuality is an extension of that.

There's a phenomenon of "situational homosexuality". For example, all-male boarding schools. The preference might be for females, but given the lack of them, the boys developed homosexual relationships. The impulse for sexuality exceeded the threshold of orientation.


Prison too, I imagine.

I think it's ridiculous B.S. when a "top" in man-sex claims he's not gay, whereas the "bottom" is. OK, so maybe you do the same things you'd do to a woman, rather than be the penetratee -- but if you willingly have sex with another man, you are not straight. NTTAWWT, just sayin'.

However, I could imagine that in, say, a Turkish prison, where you have nothing else to put it in, that might be an exception.

media.screened.com

Or, you know, if Scraps got frisky.
 
2013-04-28 01:29:56 AM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: There's a phenomenon of "situational homosexuality". For example, all-male boarding schools. The preference might be for females, but given the lack of them, the boys developed homosexual relationships. The impulse for sexuality exceeded the threshold of orientation.

Oops, dropped a thought here: after graduation, the boys in homosexual relationships severed their ties and picked up heterosexual relationships.

Anyway, here's a wiki article on it:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situa tional_sexual_behavior

Oh you mean like prison.
tends to happen in female boarding schools and prisons to.

male or female. Sex eventually becomes a need. Not quite like food or water. But close.

Thats why I think prostitution should be legal and acceptable.
hell it would make it easier for women to date because they wouldnt encounter the over sexed aint been laid in 3 years kinda guy. And guys can avoid the whole Im gonna wait till youve spent X amount of dollars before I sleep with you kinda chick.

people need sex or they get weird


Uh... you ARE aware of how prostitution works, right? ;)
 
2013-04-28 01:33:19 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: teenage mutant ninja rapist: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: There's a phenomenon of "situational homosexuality". For example, all-male boarding schools. The preference might be for females, but given the lack of them, the boys developed homosexual relationships. The impulse for sexuality exceeded the threshold of orientation.

Oops, dropped a thought here: after graduation, the boys in homosexual relationships severed their ties and picked up heterosexual relationships.

Anyway, here's a wiki article on it:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situa tional_sexual_behavior

Oh you mean like prison.
tends to happen in female boarding schools and prisons to.

male or female. Sex eventually becomes a need. Not quite like food or water. But close.

Thats why I think prostitution should be legal and acceptable.
hell it would make it easier for women to date because they wouldnt encounter the over sexed aint been laid in 3 years kinda guy. And guys can avoid the whole Im gonna wait till youve spent X amount of dollars before I sleep with you kinda chick.

people need sex or they get weird

Uh... you ARE aware of how prostitution works, right? ;)


Lol. Ok I worded it wrong.

Prostitutes dont pull that crap for weeks and months.

seconds and minutes is fine for prostitutes.

I ment them hose bags that expect months of expensive resturantes and exciting dates at your expense before theyre gonna touch you.
 
2013-04-28 01:34:08 AM
www.charlock.org
 
2013-04-28 01:38:52 AM
this thread is just filled with disappoint!
 
2013-04-28 01:40:46 AM

hundreddollarman: TheJoe03: gerbilpox: Maybe I'm the only straight guy in the world who feels this way, but I find lesbian porn kinda boring. I want to see women stimulating a peener in some way, and imagine that it's mine. Stimulating a vag with other appendages is something I'm happy to do for a partner, but for her sake; it doesn't do anything for me, and I'm not particularly interested in watching someone -- guy or girl -- do it. NTTAWWT.

But I say this in the relative anonymity of a Fark thread. IRL, "oh yeah, I love it when biatches be boffing!" 'Cuz, you know, I'm not ghey or nothin'.

I'm in the same boat, seems like a whole lotta foreplay and no real action. It's nice to watch but I stick to straight porn for the most part.

One word, guys: scissoring. I could watch two hotties scissor each other for hours.


Amen to that.
 
2013-04-28 01:41:55 AM

Coco LaFemme: StoPPeRmobile: rubi_con_man: Coco LaFemme: rubi_con_man: Coco LaFemme: After I told her I don't drink and had no interest in women in anyway that would require them to remove their panties in my presence, she said I was weird.

Am I weird? I don't think I'm weird. Do bisexual/gay men think it's weird when straight guys say they have no interest in experimenting with men? I think not. So why is it only women that get called weird for that?

So let me get this straight : You turned down someone who was even mildly interested in sexing you up and they insulted you ? That sounds par for the course for humanity.

I didn't say she was interested in sexing me up. My gaydar only works on men, but she's not to my knowledge actually hit on me. I'd be flattered, but I'd have to pass. No, she was legitimately asking me if I'd ever experimented in college with women because she thought everyone did, and I told her I didn't.....which she thought was weird.

Sounds like she was a little defensive, or your response was genuinely counter to her experiences.

I think the fact that you don't drink might be entangled somehow... Perhaps people who are equally straight 'experiment' while drinking in college?

People that don't drink are hiding something.

Maybe they just have the experience of dealing with alcoholic family members, and thus even the idea of drinking is repugnant to them. You know, something like that. Doesn't always have to be mysterious.


I'm Irish.

Never said it was mysterious. I said people that don't drink are hiding something.

O have you deemed, who looked on us with scorn,
Poor drunkards, dreaming-drunk from morn to morn,
Our raiment stained, our reputation gone,
That all our heart is grape or barley-corn?

Within the haunted wine-cup more than wine
It is that makes a mortal man divine,
We seek a drink more deadly and more strange
Than ever grew on any earthly vine.

The wine-cup is the little silver well
Where Truth, if Truth there be, doth ever dwell;
Death too is there,--and Death who would not seek?--
And Love that in itself is Heaven and Hell.

Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam, I think Richard Lagalien translated from Fitzgerald.
 
2013-04-28 01:42:39 AM

TheJoe03: hundreddollarman: TheJoe03: gerbilpox: Maybe I'm the only straight guy in the world who feels this way, but I find lesbian porn kinda boring. I want to see women stimulating a peener in some way, and imagine that it's mine. Stimulating a vag with other appendages is something I'm happy to do for a partner, but for her sake; it doesn't do anything for me, and I'm not particularly interested in watching someone -- guy or girl -- do it. NTTAWWT.

But I say this in the relative anonymity of a Fark thread. IRL, "oh yeah, I love it when biatches be boffing!" 'Cuz, you know, I'm not ghey or nothin'.

I'm in the same boat, seems like a whole lotta foreplay and no real action. It's nice to watch but I stick to straight porn for the most part.

One word, guys: scissoring. I could watch two hotties scissor each other for hours.

Amen to that.


I prefer 69. Not that you guys are talkin' crazytalk or anything.
 
2013-04-28 01:47:17 AM

laid back w/bud light: I've lived in Provincetown, Ma which is like gay disneyland for over 40 years on and off, family came from there.   I don't care if it's man on man or girl on girl but lesbians in porn are not the norm in real life.  Most of them would look like they'd be more likely to chop down a tree with an axe than what you see in porn.  Most lesbians have more male traits, like how they act, and most male homosexuals are more effeminate than you would expect a man to act.   I don't care what they do with each other, and my 11 yr. old daughter is ok with it since she spends a lot of time there.   Basically I look at being gay as a genetic mistake that I ignore .    I will say that lesbians in p-town are more aggressive towards straight people than they were in the past.   Like yelling derogetary things at me for no reason just passing them on my way through town unprovoked.



Something I've noticed in Fark threads, and I imagine it applies to the world at large, is that there seems to be a high correlation between being misogynistic and homophobic.  I use  laid back w/bud light's post here as an example that seems to illustrate this because I hadn't seen him say anything homophobic before this thread, but I had marked him down for misogyny on two separate occasions.  And here, as fits my little theory, we now see he's homophobic as well.

Of course, one explanation is just that bigotry is the fundamental characteristic underlying all the different forms (misogyny, racism, homophobia, et cetera), but I speculate that that alone is not the whole story.  My hypothesis is that homophobia and misogyny are correlated with each other moreso than either is with other types of prejudice (such as racism) because both depend on certain narrow-minded ideas of "what it means to be a woman" (and "what it means to be a man").

I suspect they are tied to  hegemonic masculinity, but I cannot be certain.   If this hasn't be studied scientifically yet, I really hope it will be.
 
2013-04-28 01:50:02 AM

ciberido: Something I've noticed in Fark threads, and I imagine it applies to the world at large, is that there seems to be a high correlation between being misogynistic and homophobic.  I use  laid back w/bud light's post here as an example that seems to illustrate this because I hadn't seen him say anything homophobic before this thread, but I had marked him down for misogyny on two separate occasions


I will have your spreadsheet one day. I WILL HAVE IT!
 
2013-04-28 01:51:43 AM

Jesterling: [www.charlock.org image 440x330]


Can't it be both?
 
2013-04-28 01:57:20 AM
totally useless without pics!!!
 
2013-04-28 01:57:37 AM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: I ment them hose bags that expect months of expensive resturantes and exciting dates at your expense before theyre gonna touch you.


CSB: I'm a big believer on the principle of equality. I once got a glass of ice water to the face for asking my date if she wanted to "go Dutch". The waitress rushed to her defense and separated us, asking her if she wanted to call the police on me. Turns out the date never heard the expression before and thought I was asking for anal sex. When the waitress explained what it meant I got another glass of water to the face and she stormed out.

The sympathetic manager did give me 10% off the bill so long as I promised to "never bring the trash around again, son".

/words to live by
 
2013-04-28 01:59:36 AM

lohphat: Paging rugbyjock to the thread. Hot, sweaty rugbyjock.


dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-04-28 02:02:54 AM
www.demotivationalposters.org
 
2013-04-28 02:14:11 AM

R.A.Danny: ciberido: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Having read the article I can only say.  WE DON'T CARE.  Stop being gay in my face, just shut up, jesus. Good for you, you're persecuted.  Peel off that equal sign bumper sticker, no one gives a fark and stop paying Jesus freaks attention.  Blargh.


It's always fun when someone gets so angry and worked up about how they don't care about a topic.  You don't care so much you're red in the face.

Kinda funny how that works.


That's the Scorpio in me, I guess.  It's pretty dumb, huh?

Deny! Internalize!!!
 
2013-04-28 02:19:42 AM
I think it's pretty clear that we've been programmed.  How many times have we seen straight women kissing each other on television? Those totally unrehearsed kisses during awards programs, Ally McBeal.  I'm sure there are others (come on, help me out guys...).

The question that always occurs to me is why?  Why aren't we conditioned to accept straight men kissing?   I just figure that from time immemorial, homosexual men are feared in part because any grouping of men outside the confines of church, work, school, etc. may lead to opposition.  Men are more likely to be strong and aggressive and may cause problems for the authority.  Women, not so much.  And the perverts in power want to see more and more women getting it on, whether they be lesbians or not.  Maybe that's all a bit of stretch, who knows.
 
2013-04-28 02:22:06 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: teenage mutant ninja rapist: I ment them hose bags that expect months of expensive resturantes and exciting dates at your expense before theyre gonna touch you.

CSB: I'm a big believer on the principle of equality. I once got a glass of ice water to the face for asking my date if she wanted to "go Dutch". The waitress rushed to her defense and separated us, asking her if she wanted to call the police on me. Turns out the date never heard the expression before and thought I was asking for anal sex. When the waitress explained what it meant I got another glass of water to the face and she stormed out.

The sympathetic manager did give me 10% off the bill so long as I promised to "never bring the trash around again, son".

/words to live by


What a psycho biatch. Yeah I know a hustle when I see one coming. But I didnt when I was younger and naive enough to fall in love.

When the bill comes just leave it. See how long it takes for her to acknowledge it.

my usual response is I got it. But I still like to see how she reacts to it
 
2013-04-28 02:26:08 AM

ciberido: White_Scarf_Syndrome: bobtheallmighty: People will stop being "gay in your face" at about the same time straight people stop being "straight" in your face.

Really? I have not seen a "straight" bumper sticker.  Yet.  Like I said. Who effing cares. No matter how much I like to talk about it, no one gives a shiat what I do in the bedroom.  I suppose there is a silent majority and there is a very loud bunch of advocates, just like anything else.

Really?  You've never seen a "baby on board" sign on a car, or those little stick figure symbols on the windscreen depicting a man, a woman, and their children?  You've never seen a wedding ring in your life?  You've never heard a man refer to "my wife" or a woman refer to "my husband"?  You've never seen a man and a woman kiss, or even just hold hands, in public?  You've never seen someone put a picture of their spouse on their desk at work?

Are you lying or are you just a complete idiot?


I did not think of it that way.  "in my face" can't be equated to a ring, or windscreen.  I spend too much time online.  I wouldn't view a photo on a desk as the same as some of this other stuff.  I was vague, and you've pointed it out, I know.

But thanks for insulting me, I do see your point.
 
2013-04-28 02:28:25 AM

rynthetyn: Notabunny: "It is, for many people, a phase."

GHAA! (NSFW - language) Sorry.

People aren't going to complain about the NSFW language, it's more likely that you're going to get the "GHAAA DAN SAVAGE IS BIPHOBIC!!!!" response. Never mind that it's actually true that while there are unquestionably bi people, pretty much every gay person tried to convince themselves they were bi at one point in their life.



Sorry to be predictable, but Dan Savage IS biphobic.   And transphobic.  And a smug, arrogant, condescending asshat.  Frankly, Dan Savage is the guy that the expression "With friends like these , who needs enemies?" was made for.
 
2013-04-28 02:28:45 AM

AcesFull: I have a male cousin who is gay...He was born that way. Period...It is difficult to hear some folks say no one can be born that way,when you've actually watched a kid from birth grow to manhood and never ever change...I just want anyone who might give me an opinion,understand where I'm at on that...
  With that being said...Can one be born bi-sexual??  or is that primarily a choice?


I'm bisexual and I've been that way for as long as I can remember. I never made the conscious
choice to decide that I was going to be attracted to men and women equally, I just am.

In elementary it manifested itself in a little bit of envy over girls who were prettier and girl-ier
than I was. In middle school, it was less an envy thing and more of noticing in the locker room
that [insert name] was so pretty and noticing who was developing and who was not.

I probably had my first girl-crush in high school, though I never told her and we were never
more than friends.
 
2013-04-28 02:32:24 AM

Mugato: missmez: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

I'm shocked beyond belief to learn that there is a type of sexual activity you don't condone.


What did I just say? I fully condone all manner of consensual gay sex. Male gay sex is just terrifying and horrid, that's all. I don't get all pissy when gay guys criticise the hetero love. And they do.


It's because men have been culturally conditioned to loathe their own bodies. It's really that simple.
 
2013-04-28 02:34:59 AM

Caffandtranqs: I forgot to mention my biggest grievance with porn.  There is/are always some ugly motherfarkers doing the women.  Do the directors go out and look for any ugly bastid off the street to do these things?


I think it's largely because most porn is made for heterosexual men (excluding porn made for gay men), and those men feel threatened by good-looking men.

Or maybe it's because most of the guys who spend money on porn don't identify as easily with really good-looking men, either because they actually are ugly or because they lack self-esteem.  Plenty of attractive people, both male and female, think they're unattractive.

I don't know, these are just guesses.
 
2013-04-28 02:36:41 AM

ciberido: I think it's largely because most porn is made for heterosexual men (excluding porn made for gay men), and those men feel threatened by good-looking men.


Or they get turned on by the degradation of watching some young thing getting A2M from Ron Jeremy.
 
2013-04-28 02:38:41 AM

R.A.Danny: ciberido: Something I've noticed in Fark threads, and I imagine it applies to the world at large, is that there seems to be a high correlation between being misogynistic and homophobic.  I use  laid back w/bud light's post here as an example that seems to illustrate this because I hadn't seen him say anything homophobic before this thread, but I had marked him down for misogyny on two separate occasions

I will have your spreadsheet one day. I WILL HAVE IT!


I don't know what to call it.  Obsessive-compulsive?  Anal-retentive?  Too much free time?  It's not really something any reasonable person should be proud of.
 
2013-04-28 02:38:56 AM

wookiee cookie: Mugato: missmez: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

I'm shocked beyond belief to learn that there is a type of sexual activity you don't condone.


What did I just say? I fully condone all manner of consensual gay sex. Male gay sex is just terrifying and horrid, that's all. I don't get all pissy when gay guys criticise the hetero love. And they do.

It's because men have been culturally conditioned to loathe their own bodies. It's really that simple.


Thats not entirely true.
Out of shape guys with beer guts that are balding. And skinny dweebs with no scars have been conditioned this way.

nut unlike women without a proper figure.

if you cant fit into the latest jeans or yoga pants. or you arent ripped like a cage fighter

atleast that seems to be the overall message people get thrown at them these days
 
2013-04-28 02:40:03 AM

ciberido: rynthetyn: Notabunny: "It is, for many people, a phase."

GHAA! (NSFW - language) Sorry.

People aren't going to complain about the NSFW language, it's more likely that you're going to get the "GHAAA DAN SAVAGE IS BIPHOBIC!!!!" response. Never mind that it's actually true that while there are unquestionably bi people, pretty much every gay person tried to convince themselves they were bi at one point in their life.


Sorry to be predictable, but Dan Savage IS biphobic.   And transphobic.  And a smug, arrogant, condescending asshat.  Frankly, Dan Savage is the guy that the expression "With friends like these , who needs enemies?" was made for.


I'm going to have to go with a [Citation Needed] on that one because as many times as people say that, I've never seen a citation to anything that wasn't years ago and that he hasn't long since apologized for. And what he says about lots of gay people trying to convince themselves they were bi before finally accepting themselves is true, as is the fact that lots of bisexuals disappear into straight relationships and then stay firmly locked in the closet. And well, as for the trans issues, there are a lot more people than Dan Savage who had to be educated on that--heck, I watch the show "Ugly Betty" now and cringe about how much the word "tranny" is casually thrown around, but when that show was on the air it was being lauded and winning GLAAD media awards for it's portrayal of trans issues.

So again, [Citation Needed].
 
2013-04-28 02:41:31 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: ciberido: White_Scarf_Syndrome: bobtheallmighty: People will stop being "gay in your face" at about the same time straight people stop being "straight" in your face.

Really? I have not seen a "straight" bumper sticker.  Yet.  Like I said. Who effing cares. No matter how much I like to talk about it, no one gives a shiat what I do in the bedroom.  I suppose there is a silent majority and there is a very loud bunch of advocates, just like anything else.

Really?  You've never seen a "baby on board" sign on a car, or those little stick figure symbols on the windscreen depicting a man, a woman, and their children?  You've never seen a wedding ring in your life?  You've never heard a man refer to "my wife" or a woman refer to "my husband"?  You've never seen a man and a woman kiss, or even just hold hands, in public?  You've never seen someone put a picture of their spouse on their desk at work?

Are you lying or are you just a complete idiot?

I did not think of it that way.  "in my face" can't be equated to a ring, or windscreen.  I spend too much time online.  I wouldn't view a photo on a desk as the same as some of this other stuff.  I was vague, and you've pointed it out, I know.

But thanks for insulting me, I do see your point.



Well, if it matters to you, I'll also mark you down as ... not sure how to categorize it ... thoughtful?  Open-minded?  Willing to accept criticism?    Something like that.

And don't take insults from me too personally.  I can get pretty harsh in Fark threads.
 
2013-04-28 02:43:37 AM
Never had much use for the sweaty, grunting, insert-inappropriate-things-in-anus lifestyle of male homosexuality, but I used to like Lesbians a lot, and in college hung around with them. It's been a good many years (due to being married) but it used to be that I generally had at least a 50% chance of getting laid with them. At that time, at that age, there was a lot of uncertainty and guilty on the part of those young, nubile, soft, and horny girls, and - being a psychology major at the time - I could offer one-on-two sex therapy to "save" them from the lesbian lifestyle. Ah, those were the days. Saved quite a few young ladies, but I do have to tell you that handling/saving/converting two girls at a time, sometimes 3 different duos each week, was physically, emotionally, and mentally exhausting. Hell, one time I ended up saving a threesome of lovely ladies. Damn near killed me.
 
2013-04-28 02:46:34 AM

R.A.Danny: ciberido: I think it's largely because most porn is made for heterosexual men (excluding porn made for gay men), and those men feel threatened by good-looking men.

Or they get turned on by the degradation of watching some young thing getting A2M from Ron Jeremy.


Wow.  You like read my mind.  I actually started to add something about some porn being about degrading women (please note I said SOME porn) and possibly using ugly men in those scenes somehow was supposed to make the degradation worse.

Then I decided to not include it in my post because I didn't want to start a side argument about porn and degradation, but your brought it up first, so it's all on you.
 
2013-04-28 02:47:58 AM

universebetween: [www.demotivationalposters.org image 640x757]


In reality:

forums.pelicanparts.com
 
2013-04-28 02:48:01 AM

ciberido: Then I decided to not include it in my post because I didn't want to start a side argument about porn and degradation, but your brought it up first, so it's all on you.


It's totally wrong to find degradation to be totally hot.

But it is.

Totally.
 
2013-04-28 02:55:08 AM

lohphat: universebetween: [www.demotivationalposters.org image 640x757]

In reality:

[forums.pelicanparts.com image 550x425]


YOU KNOW NOTHING!

files.myopera.com
 
2013-04-28 02:56:53 AM

ciberido: White_Scarf_Syndrome: ciberido: White_Scarf_Syndrome: bobtheallmighty: People will stop being "gay in your face" at about the same time straight people stop being "straight" in your face.

Really? I have not seen a "straight" bumper sticker.  Yet.  Like I said. Who effing cares. No matter how much I like to talk about it, no one gives a shiat what I do in the bedroom.  I suppose there is a silent majority and there is a very loud bunch of advocates, just like anything else.

Really?  You've never seen a "baby on board" sign on a car, or those little stick figure symbols on the windscreen depicting a man, a woman, and their children?  You've never seen a wedding ring in your life?  You've never heard a man refer to "my wife" or a woman refer to "my husband"?  You've never seen a man and a woman kiss, or even just hold hands, in public?  You've never seen someone put a picture of their spouse on their desk at work?

Are you lying or are you just a complete idiot?

I did not think of it that way.  "in my face" can't be equated to a ring, or windscreen.  I spend too much time online.  I wouldn't view a photo on a desk as the same as some of this other stuff.  I was vague, and you've pointed it out, I know.

But thanks for insulting me, I do see your point.


Well, if it matters to you, I'll also mark you down as ... not sure how to categorize it ... thoughtful?  Open-minded?  Willing to accept criticism?    Something like that.

And don't take insults from me too personally.  I can get pretty harsh in Fark threads.


No big deal.  Lately I've found I try and find any excuse I can to talk about anal sex in Fark threads.  I can get pretty disgusting in Fark threads.

The "in my face" comment was a bit much.  I really don't feel that's how it is in actual life.  Maybe that whole equal sign on facebook thing got to me.  Annoying as all hell.  Then again, that's my own fault/friends, so what does that say?  Meh.
 
2013-04-28 03:02:55 AM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: wookiee cookie: Mugato: missmez: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

I'm shocked beyond belief to learn that there is a type of sexual activity you don't condone.


What did I just say? I fully condone all manner of consensual gay sex. Male gay sex is just terrifying and horrid, that's all. I don't get all pissy when gay guys criticise the hetero love. And they do.

It's because men have been culturally conditioned to loathe their own bodies. It's really that simple.

Thats not entirely true.
Out of shape guys with beer guts that are balding. And skinny dweebs with no scars have been conditioned this way.

nut unlike women without a proper figure.

if you cant fit into the latest jeans or yoga pants. or you arent ripped like a cage fighter

atleast that seems to be the overall message people get thrown at them these days


I don't understand your post. But it's obvious we have a cultural tradition that programs us: vagina=hot, penis=gross
 
2013-04-28 03:09:34 AM
ciberido: Sorry to be predictable, but Dan Savage IS biphobic.   And transphobic.  And a smug, arrogant, condescending asshat.  Frankly, Dan Savage is the guy that the expression "With friends like these , who needs enemies?" was made for.

rynthetyn: I'm going to have to go with a [Citation Needed] on that one because as many times as people say that, I've never seen a citation to anything that wasn't years ago and that he hasn't long since apologized for. And what he says about lots of gay people trying to convince themselves they were bi before finally accepting themselves is true, as is the fact that lots of bisexuals disappear into straight relationships and then stay firmly locked in the closet. And well, as for the trans issues, there are a lot more people than Dan Savage who had to be educated on that--heck, I watch the show "Ugly Betty" now and cringe about how much the word "tranny" is casually thrown around, but when that show was on the air it was being lauded and winning GLAAD media awards for it's portrayal of trans issues.



1) Sorry to be weaksauce, but I'm too lazy or apathetic to go hunting for a bunch of links AGAIN.  But see point 2.

2) I've had this argument in earlier Fark threads, where I claimed Dan Savage was biphobic, someone challenged me (hell, might even have been you), and I posted links to support my argument.  So if you really want my arguments, you can search for that earlier thread(s).

3) I was being a bit lazy with my verb tenses.  Dan Savage WAS AT ONE TIME biphobic.  Whether or not he still is, what retractions or clarifications he may have made since, I don't know.  Frankly, I would be surprised to find that as arrogant an asshat as he would give a full retraction or apology, but hey, miracles do happen.

4) If anybody cares that much, there's Google.  Yes, I know that's weaksauce but I've had this argument too many times already.  It's not like they're hard to find.

5) Oh, what the hell, I had another cup of coffee, here's Dan Savage in his own words in 2011.  And here's Project Queer from 2012.

So, yeah, fark Dan Savage.
 
2013-04-28 03:11:32 AM

Mugato: missmez: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

I'm shocked beyond belief to learn that there is a type of sexual activity you don't condone.


What did I just say? I fully condone all manner of consensual gay sex. Male gay sex is just terrifying and horrid, that's all. I don't get all pissy when gay guys criticise the hetero love. And they do.


Oh and "terrifying"? That's called "gay panic
 
2013-04-28 03:17:40 AM

wookiee cookie: Mugato: missmez: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

I'm shocked beyond belief to learn that there is a type of sexual activity you don't condone.


What did I just say? I fully condone all manner of consensual gay sex. Male gay sex is just terrifying and horrid, that's all. I don't get all pissy when gay guys criticise the hetero love. And they do.

Oh and "terrifying"? That's called "gay panic



Right.  What is terrifying about anal sex.  I ask you. I ask all of you. Also, I've never heard a Gay "I hate vaginas" joke.  might be interesting, because I could drink that shiat.
 
2013-04-28 03:26:49 AM

ciberido: ciberido: Sorry to be predictable, but Dan Savage IS biphobic.   And transphobic.  And a smug, arrogant, condescending asshat.  Frankly, Dan Savage is the guy that the expression "With friends like these , who needs enemies?" was made for.

rynthetyn: I'm going to have to go with a [Citation Needed] on that one because as many times as people say that, I've never seen a citation to anything that wasn't years ago and that he hasn't long since apologized for. And what he says about lots of gay people trying to convince themselves they were bi before finally accepting themselves is true, as is the fact that lots of bisexuals disappear into straight relationships and then stay firmly locked in the closet. And well, as for the trans issues, there are a lot more people than Dan Savage who had to be educated on that--heck, I watch the show "Ugly Betty" now and cringe about how much the word "tranny" is casually thrown around, but when that show was on the air it was being lauded and winning GLAAD media awards for it's portrayal of trans issues.


1) Sorry to be weaksauce, but I'm too lazy or apathetic to go hunting for a bunch of links AGAIN.  But see point 2.

2) I've had this argument in earlier Fark threads, where I claimed Dan Savage was biphobic, someone challenged me (hell, might even have been you), and I posted links to support my argument.  So if you really want my arguments, you can search for that earlier thread(s).

3) I was being a bit lazy with my verb tenses.  Dan Savage WAS AT ONE TIME biphobic.  Whether or not he still is, what retractions or clarifications he may have made since, I don't know.  Frankly, I would be surprised to find that as arrogant an asshat as he would give a full retraction or apology, but hey, miracles do happen.

4) If anybody cares that much, there's Google.  Yes, I know that's weaksauce but I've had this argument too many times already.  It's not like they're hard to find.

5) Oh, what the hell, I had another cup of coffee, here's Dan Savage in his own words in 2011.  And here's Project Queer from 2012.

So, yeah, fark Dan Savage.


Whats a dan savage?
 
2013-04-28 03:34:23 AM

rynthetyn:  And what he says about lots of gay people trying to convince themselves they were bi before finally accepting themselves is true, as is the fact that lots of bisexuals disappear into straight relationships and then stay firmly locked in the closet.



Oh, that's what YOU think?  You're not just paraphrasing Dan Savage, you're agreeing with him here?

Look, here's some basic math.  It's really simple, but it's apparently beyond Dan Savage's capabilities, and sadly, maybe yours as well.   Let's say Jane is the textbook bisexual woman.  Jane is EXACTLY equally attracted to men and women.  So, theoretically, over the course of 10 lovers, we would expect five of Jane's lovers to be men and five of them to be women, right?  WRONG.

If you assume that roughly 10 percent of the population is gay, and if you ignore all other factors, then out of 10 lovers a bisexual woman would have, 9 of them would be men.  Basic probability.  There are other factors, sure, like that heterosexual men are more likely to hit on her than lesbians are, which would skew that number even higher.  Or, on the other hand, if she decides to "be a part of the lbgtq community," identifies publicly as bisexual, hangs out with gays, lesbians, and bisexuals, then the number might skew the other way.

But even so, the odds are better than 50-50 that any given bisexual in a long-term relationship will be with a partner of the opposite sex.  That isn't "selling out," that isn't "disappearing into straight relationships," that isn't "staying firmly locked in the closet," and it isn't some sort of evil conspiracy to rob the Big Gay Army of troops.  That's being in love and following the farking laws of probability.

And if you think that being in a happy, committed, long-term relationship with someone who just happens to have different plumbing is "disappearing into a straight relationship" or "staying firmly locked in the closet" then FARK YOU UP THE ASS with a flaming, radioactive chainsaw.   My life does not take second place to your politics.  It is not my job to refuse to be happy with someone of the opposite sex just so I can remain single to take on a same-sex partner who better suits YOUR agenda.

In fact, better idea, why don't you find your buddy Dan Savage and the two of you can use a double radioactive dildo together.
Just be sure to set it on fire before insertion, hypocrite.

/Oh, and since you are apparently dim, let me explain that last bit: see, you're a hypocrite because you're trying to tell me which sex I'm allowed to be in a relationship with.  Funny, that.  I thought that was exactly what we were supposed to be fighting AGAINST.
 
2013-04-28 03:47:36 AM

wookiee cookie: Mugato: missmez: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

I'm shocked beyond belief to learn that there is a type of sexual activity you don't condone.


What did I just say? I fully condone all manner of consensual gay sex. Male gay sex is just terrifying and horrid, that's all. I don't get all pissy when gay guys criticise the hetero love. And they do.

It's because men have been culturally conditioned to loathe their own bodies. It's really that simple.


That's also too stupid to respond to.
 
2013-04-28 03:49:00 AM

ciberido: rynthetyn:  And what he says about lots of gay people trying to convince themselves they were bi before finally accepting themselves is true, as is the fact that lots of bisexuals disappear into straight relationships and then stay firmly locked in the closet.


Oh, that's what YOU think?  You're not just paraphrasing Dan Savage, you're agreeing with him here?

Look, here's some basic math.  It's really simple, but it's apparently beyond Dan Savage's capabilities, and sadly, maybe yours as well.   Let's say Jane is the textbook bisexual woman.  Jane is EXACTLY equally attracted to men and women.  So, theoretically, over the course of 10 lovers, we would expect five of Jane's lovers to be men and five of them to be women, right?  WRONG.

If you assume that roughly 10 percent of the population is gay, and if you ignore all other factors, then out of 10 lovers a bisexual woman would have, 9 of them would be men.  Basic probability.  There are other factors, sure, like that heterosexual men are more likely to hit on her than lesbians are, which would skew that number even higher.  Or, on the other hand, if she decides to "be a part of the lbgtq community," identifies publicly as bisexual, hangs out with gays, lesbians, and bisexuals, then the number might skew the other way.

But even so, the odds are better than 50-50 that any given bisexual in a long-term relationship will be with a partner of the opposite sex.  That isn't "selling out," that isn't "disappearing into straight relationships," that isn't "staying firmly locked in the closet," and it isn't some sort of evil conspiracy to rob the Big Gay Army of troops.  That's being in love and following the farking laws of probability.

And if you think that being in a happy, committed, long-term relationship with someone who just happens to have different plumbing is "disappearing into a straight relationship" or "staying firmly locked in the closet" then FARK YOU UP THE ASS with a flaming, radioactive chainsaw.   My l ...


Oh my, I hate to say but I'm curiously turned on right now. Oh and yea back in the 90's when I was going to clubs and very into the gay community you didn't come out or admit you were bi, you would be shunned.
 
2013-04-28 04:02:37 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Right. What is terrifying about anal sex. I ask you. I ask all of you.


1) Never been at the receiving end, but I've had prostate exams and thermometers. Anything up there will either hurt like a mofo, or be extremely uncomfortable, or even if it's not bad at the time, leave a bruised feeling.

I know some people enjoy it, but for me, I don't even like to see a hetero couple do it in porn. It makes me wince. Also:

2) There's poopy up there! Did you know they're 10 trillion microbes in the human digestive tract? That about 1/3 of poo consists of them? That they include e. coli and other things that are harmful if they get into flesh or other orifices? (I've heard chicks wipe front-to-back for that reason,)

I have this debate with a gay friend. He talks about it being common to have guys who are so turned on by it that a fart's smell gets them randy. They even get 2 girls,1 cup about it. Meanwhile, I have my fingers in my ears, saying "Na na na, I can't hear you, I'm not listening, STFO."

If a woman wanted me to tap it, I guess I would -- with a condom -- but I'm not looking for it. The poontang and the mouth are just fine for me, and if I need variety, there's always her sister.

/or the gay friend
 
2013-04-28 04:06:51 AM

ciberido: If you assume that roughly 10 percent of the population is gay, and if you ignore all other factors, then out of 10 lovers a bisexual woman would have, 9 of them would be men. Basic probability.


Know how I know you don't understand probability?
 
2013-04-28 04:08:00 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: wookiee cookie: Mugato: missmez: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

I'm shocked beyond belief to learn that there is a type of sexual activity you don't condone.


What did I just say? I fully condone all manner of consensual gay sex. Male gay sex is just terrifying and horrid, that's all. I don't get all pissy when gay guys criticise the hetero love. And they do.

Oh and "terrifying"? That's called "gay panic


Right.  What is terrifying about anal sex.  I ask you. I ask all of you. Also, I've never heard a Gay "I hate vaginas" joke.  might be interesting, because I could drink that shiat.


E. Coli and the smell of degradating bile, that's what I find terrifying about anal sex. And it's not a gay thing, it's an anal sex thing.

I might be ok with anal (giving or receiving, with a male or female partner) IF there's a thorough colon washing beforehand *and* a condom *and* proper lubrication *and* a proper washing immediately after the anal is over *and* it's not performed on a surface I'm going to be sleeping on. Frankly that seems like way too much effort for a little bit of prostate play and if I need it really tight, well, let's just say I've never had a pickle jar I couldn't open. Oh, all of this is in addition to my requirement of having a partner I can absolutely trust to be clean and healthy.

Say what you will about the horrors of vaginal fluid, but it's highly unlikely to give a urinary tract infection or a nasty case of gastroenteritis.

The other aspects of gay sex are totally benign, in my opinion. Who doesn't love oral? And frottage is hilarious.
 
2013-04-28 04:11:07 AM
We're talking about a failed presidential hopeful now, aren't we.... I'm going away now.
 
2013-04-28 04:15:02 AM

R.A.Danny: We're talking about a failed presidential hopeful now, aren't we.... I'm going away now.


No don't go away, it's only White_Scarf_Syndrome and MusicMakeMyHeadPound that seem to be thinking way too much about anal sex.
 
2013-04-28 04:18:56 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: wookiee cookie: Mugato: missmez: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

I'm shocked beyond belief to learn that there is a type of sexual activity you don't condone.


What did I just say? I fully condone all manner of consensual gay sex. Male gay sex is just terrifying and horrid, that's all. I don't get all pissy when gay guys criticise the hetero love. And they do.

It's because men have been culturally conditioned to loathe their own bodies. It's really that simple.

That's also too stupid to respond to.


Seems I hit a button for you. Too bad it wasn't your love button.
 
2013-04-28 04:20:02 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: And if you think that being in a happy, committed, long-term relationship with someone who just happens to have different plumbing is "disappearing into a straight relationship" or "staying firmly locked in the closet" then FARK YOU UP THE ASS with a flaming, radioactive chainsaw..

Oh my, I hate to say but I'm curiously turned on right now.


Meet me out back with the gas can in 10 minutes.

Oh and yea back in the 90's when I was going to clubs and very into the gay community you didn't come out or admit you were bi, you would be shunned.

I've heard that (or watched Chasing Amy, at least.): the lez community looks at bi women as traitors. Though in the one case I know personally, a woman's wife showed she was bi by cheating with a man, so that might have had something to do with it.
 
2013-04-28 04:20:29 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: R.A.Danny: We're talking about a failed presidential hopeful now, aren't we.... I'm going away now.

No don't go away, it's only White_Scarf_Syndrome and MusicMakeMyHeadPound that seem to be thinking way too much about anal sex.


Well for YOU I'll stick around.
 
2013-04-28 04:27:41 AM

gerbilpox: tinfoil-hat maggie: And if you think that being in a happy, committed, long-term relationship with someone who just happens to have different plumbing is "disappearing into a straight relationship" or "staying firmly locked in the closet" then FARK YOU UP THE ASS with a flaming, radioactive chainsaw..

Oh my, I hate to say but I'm curiously turned on right now.

Meet me out back with the gas can in 10 minutes.

Oh and yea back in the 90's when I was going to clubs and very into the gay community you didn't come out or admit you were bi, you would be shunned.

I've heard that (or watched Chasing Amy, at least.): the lez community looks at bi women as traitors. Though in the one case I know personally, a woman's wife showed she was bi by cheating with a man, so that might have had something to do with it.


The fact is most people are bi, just lots of prejudices, you'd be surprised how many supposed gay men hit on me and my friends and yea I learned the women do it to. Granted I've known lots of people that have never had opposite sex partners but that is pretty rare.
 
2013-04-28 04:29:45 AM

R.A.Danny: tinfoil-hat maggie: R.A.Danny: We're talking about a failed presidential hopeful now, aren't we.... I'm going away now.

No don't go away, it's only White_Scarf_Syndrome and MusicMakeMyHeadPound that seem to be thinking way too much about anal sex.

Well for YOU I'll stick around.


Aw how sweet ; )
i1121.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-28 04:30:07 AM

gerbilpox: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Right. What is terrifying about anal sex. I ask you. I ask all of you.

1) Never been at the receiving end, but I've had prostate exams and thermometers. Anything up there will either hurt like a mofo, or be extremely uncomfortable, or even if it's not bad at the time, leave a bruised feeling.

I know some people enjoy it, but for me, I don't even like to see a hetero couple do it in porn. It makes me wince. Also:

2) There's poopy up there! Did you know they're 10 trillion microbes in the human digestive tract? That about 1/3 of poo consists of them? That they include e. coli and other things that are harmful if they get into flesh or other orifices? (I've heard chicks wipe front-to-back for that reason,)

I have this debate with a gay friend. He talks about it being common to have guys who are so turned on by it that a fart's smell gets them randy. They even get 2 girls,1 cup about it. Meanwhile, I have my fingers in my ears, saying "Na na na, I can't hear you, I'm not listening, STFO."

If a woman wanted me to tap it, I guess I would -- with a condom -- but I'm not looking for it. The poontang and the mouth are just fine for me, and if I need variety, there's always her sister.

/or the gay friend


your "friend" is jaking your chain. and who doesn't wipe that way?
 
2013-04-28 04:30:40 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: R.A.Danny: tinfoil-hat maggie: R.A.Danny: We're talking about a failed presidential hopeful now, aren't we.... I'm going away now.

No don't go away, it's only White_Scarf_Syndrome and MusicMakeMyHeadPound that seem to be thinking way too much about anal sex.

Well for YOU I'll stick around.

Aw how sweet ; )
[i1121.photobucket.com image 500x333]


You have my attention.
 
2013-04-28 04:46:25 AM
I think the number of lesbians I know vs gay dudes i know is about equal.  Does not giving a damn what people do with their genitals count as acceptance?  Because I don't care who subby is banging either.
 
2013-04-28 05:39:25 AM
Lesbians are not hot. Lesbians are a fetish for involuntarily abstinent young men who have been desensitised to normal sexual imagery.
 
2013-04-28 06:30:59 AM

gerbilpox: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Right. What is terrifying about anal sex. I ask you. I ask all of you.

1) Never been at the receiving end, but I've had prostate exams and thermometers. Anything up there will either hurt like a mofo, or be extremely uncomfortable, or even if it's not bad at the time, leave a bruised feeling.

I know some people enjoy it, but for me, I don't even like to see a hetero couple do it in porn. It makes me wince. Also:

2) There's poopy up there! Did you know they're 10 trillion microbes in the human digestive tract? That about 1/3 of poo consists of them? That they include e. coli and other things that are harmful if they get into flesh or other orifices? (I've heard chicks wipe front-to-back for that reason,)

I have this debate with a gay friend. He talks about it being common to have guys who are so turned on by it that a fart's smell gets them randy. They even get 2 girls,1 cup about it. Meanwhile, I have my fingers in my ears, saying "Na na na, I can't hear you, I'm not listening, STFO."

If a woman wanted me to tap it, I guess I would -- with a condom -- but I'm not looking for it. The poontang and the mouth are just fine for me, and if I need variety, there's always her sister.

/or the gay friend


OK, the smell, that's gross and weird.

Microbes?  I dunno, my tool went back and forth to all 3 holes for about 45 minutes last night.  I will ask her if there is any infections.  In fact I don't need to, she would tell me.

I must say that when I mention this act I am speaking in terms of a male in a hetero setting.  It is well known men have some kinda g-spot or whatever in there, but I would never receive and I have not found it ever since I tried in my early 20's.

TMI.  whatever.
 
2013-04-28 06:47:29 AM
Ceci n'est pas une bookmark.
 
2013-04-28 06:48:17 AM

EvilPun: personally, seeing two guys who are genuinely in love making out is sooo effing adorable :3

I think straight guys are afraid of gay guys because the straighties think they gay guys want to have sex with them and they're afraid they'll like it. I don't believe anyone is completely 100% straight or completely 100% gay anyway.


This.

I wish I could wake up tomorrow in a world where who you enjoy having sex with is completely irrelevant. Nobody cares and it's a non-issue.

Of course then the attention whores who think being gay somehow makes them special or edgy and the religious loons who think god is going to fire and brimstone our country for being sinners would all have to find something else to live for.
 
2013-04-28 07:05:02 AM

illannoyin: EvilPun: personally, seeing two guys who are genuinely in love making out is sooo effing adorable :3

I think straight guys are afraid of gay guys because the straighties think they gay guys want to have sex with them and they're afraid they'll like it. I don't believe anyone is completely 100% straight or completely 100% gay anyway.

This.

I wish I could wake up tomorrow in a world where who you enjoy having sex with is completely irrelevant. Nobody cares and it's a non-issue.

Of course then the attention whores who think being gay somehow makes them special or edgy and the religious loons who think god is going to fire and brimstone our country for being sinners would all have to find something else to live for.


Wait I sorta live in that world, granted I know the other one's out there but hey, you don't have to pay attention to idiots ; )
 
2013-04-28 07:27:51 AM

Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.


This is why the Bible condemns male homosexuality, but doesn't say anything about lesbianism.
 
2013-04-28 08:29:48 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: gerbilpox: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Right. What is terrifying about anal sex. I ask you. I ask all of you.

1) Never been at the receiving end, but I've had prostate exams and thermometers. Anything up there will either hurt like a mofo, or be extremely uncomfortable, or even if it's not bad at the time, leave a bruised feeling.

I know some people enjoy it, but for me, I don't even like to see a hetero couple do it in porn. It makes me wince. Also:

2) There's poopy up there! Did you know they're 10 trillion microbes in the human digestive tract? That about 1/3 of poo consists of them? That they include e. coli and other things that are harmful if they get into flesh or other orifices? (I've heard chicks wipe front-to-back for that reason,)

I have this debate with a gay friend. He talks about it being common to have guys who are so turned on by it that a fart's smell gets them randy. They even get 2 girls,1 cup about it. Meanwhile, I have my fingers in my ears, saying "Na na na, I can't hear you, I'm not listening, STFO."

If a woman wanted me to tap it, I guess I would -- with a condom -- but I'm not looking for it. The poontang and the mouth are just fine for me, and if I need variety, there's always her sister.

/or the gay friend

OK, the smell, that's gross and weird.

Microbes?  I dunno, my tool went back and forth to all 3 holes for about 45 minutes last night.  I will ask her if there is any infections.  In fact I don't need to, she would tell me.

I must say that when I mention this act I am speaking in terms of a male in a hetero setting.  It is well known men have some kinda g-spot or whatever in there, but I would never receive and I have not found it ever since I tried in my early 20's.

TMI.  whatever.


For men, it's the prostate, though it's not evident in me either. Women don't have a prostate, though, so I don't see why it's enjoyable for them -- but apparently it's not just a porn movie myth that it is for some. Of course, I speak from the narrow viewpoint of a male whose g-spot-type area is purely weener-centered. (Cosmo: "The three secret places to touch a man." I've got one, and it ain't no secret.) Women are said to be less localized.
 
2013-04-28 08:30:30 AM
Lesbians are cooler to hang out with than flaming dudes.
 
2013-04-28 08:32:54 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: teenage mutant ninja rapist: I ment them hose bags that expect months of expensive resturantes and exciting dates at your expense before theyre gonna touch you.

CSB: I'm a big believer on the principle of equality. I once got a glass of ice water to the face for asking my date if she wanted to "go Dutch". The waitress rushed to her defense and separated us, asking her if she wanted to call the police on me. Turns out the date never heard the expression before and thought I was asking for anal sex. When the waitress explained what it meant I got another glass of water to the face and she stormed out.

The sympathetic manager did give me 10% off the bill so long as I promised to "never bring the trash around again, son".

/words to live by


I don't know that you deserves the bath, but springing that on her when she's at the table perusing the menu is dickhead behavior. Going Dutch is def abnormal behavior and you should have stipulated that when you asked her out, not once you've taken her away from her home.
 
2013-04-28 08:42:01 AM

Mouser: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

This is why the Bible condemns male homosexuality, but doesn't say anything about lesbianism.


romans 1:26-27 would like a word with you
 
2013-04-28 08:54:06 AM
Newsflash: A world run predominantly by heterosexual men tends to be more accepting of things that heterosexual men like and less accepting of things heterosexual men don't like.
 
2013-04-28 09:51:20 AM

KrispyKritter: great to know so many Farkers live in a fantasy masturbatory world. go outside some time and meet the bulk of real life lesbians. they're more manly than most of you, they hate you at a glance and they'll gladly kick your balls up to your throat 'because most men are rapist scum'. tolerance might be asked for but it isn't necessarily given.


You've never met a lesbian.
 
2013-04-28 10:42:36 AM

AdrienVeidt: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: teenage mutant ninja rapist: I ment them hose bags that expect months of expensive resturantes and exciting dates at your expense before theyre gonna touch you.

CSB: I'm a big believer on the principle of equality. I once got a glass of ice water to the face for asking my date if she wanted to "go Dutch". The waitress rushed to her defense and separated us, asking her if she wanted to call the police on me. Turns out the date never heard the expression before and thought I was asking for anal sex. When the waitress explained what it meant I got another glass of water to the face and she stormed out.

The sympathetic manager did give me 10% off the bill so long as I promised to "never bring the trash around again, son".

/words to live by

I don't know that you deserves the bath, but springing that on her when she's at the table perusing the menu is dickhead behavior. Going Dutch is def abnormal behavior and you should have stipulated that when you asked her out, not once you've taken her away from her home.


Dickhead behavior or not, that question has done its job so many times it's on par with "before I close this locked door, where are the keys?".

I'm in decent shape but I'm 5' 5", women aren't after me for my stunning physicality. So what is it about me that they find attractive? (My aggravating personality, says the lady I plan to make my wife).

So some girls said, "Oh. I didn't bring money" (never a deal-breaker but it is a yellow flag. Is this relationship going to be based around money? In some cases: oh yeah, big time.)

Other girls said, "I was planning on it" (creating an implied financial debt is an unhealthy way to start a relationship. Many women, including the current girlfriend, are thrilled that a man is aware of this issue and can think outside the cultural box.)

Only the one girl went crazy, and I'd prefer to get watered than to have gotten sucked into her train wreck of a life. I try to avoid the dangerous kind of crazy; we were only there because I was going through a dry spell and I'm nerdy enough to have enjoyed the irony. ;)
 
2013-04-28 10:53:15 AM

Fast Moon: Newsflash: A world run predominantly by heterosexual men tends to be more accepting of things that heterosexual men like and less accepting of things heterosexual men don't like.


Can we get a shot at that world.
I am tired of this one where management is mostly hypocritical homophobic homosexuals..
 
2013-04-28 10:53:30 AM

wookiee cookie: Mouser: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

This is why the Bible condemns male homosexuality, but doesn't say anything about lesbianism.

romans 1:26-27 would like a word with you


You have misinterpreted that...
 
2013-04-28 10:55:19 AM
Since I used to think I was a cowboy, I am getting a kick out of
 
2013-04-28 10:56:26 AM

RobSeace: wookiee cookie: Mouser: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

This is why the Bible condemns male homosexuality, but doesn't say anything about lesbianism.

romans 1:26-27 would like a word with you

You have misinterpreted that...


Remember, one man's interpretation is another man's Fark.
 
2013-04-28 12:20:23 PM
ciberido: So, yeah, fark Dan Savage.

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Whats a dan savage?

He's a very naughty boy.  Like a henweigh.
 
2013-04-28 12:23:12 PM

gerbilpox: ciberido: If you assume that roughly 10 percent of the population is gay, and if you ignore all other factors, then out of 10 lovers a bisexual woman would have, 9 of them would be men. Basic probability.

Know how I know you don't understand probability?


Not really, no.  But feel free to explain it to me.  Use small words.
 
2013-04-28 01:15:48 PM

gerbilpox: I've heard that (or watched Chasing Amy, at least.): the lez community looks at bi women as traitors. Though in the one case I know personally, a woman's wife showed she was bi by cheating with a man, so that might have had something to do with it.


I wouldn't say "traitors."  I'd say instead that a lot of "monogays" (gay men and lesbians who aren't bisexual) see bisexuals as "straddling the fence" or "not committed enough."  Like we're "half gay" or trying to be gay but not doing a very good job of it.  It seems to be based on the belief that there are only two "real" or "true" sexual orientations, and bisexuality is some sort of sham or myth.

I could give you a long tirade about how condescending and arrogant that attitude is, but if you've been paying attention in this thread, you already know how I feel about it.

The "support" for this prejudice is that every lesbian has a story of how she (or one of her lesbian friends) dated a bisexual woman who then "betrayed" her by breaking up with her and then dating a guy.  As if dating a woman and then dating a man (or vice-versa) was some sort of betrayal instead of what bisexuals naturally do.  Or, for added poignancy, you've got the urban legend (not saying it never happens, but it IS an urban legend) of the bisexual who "decides she really prefers men" --- often announcing this as she is breaking up with her lesbian girlfriend.

Of course, when the opposite happens (say a man who divorces his wife after the birth of his second child, announcing that he's just realized that he's a gay man) that somehow doesn't discredit monosexuality.  You won't see a lot of gay avengers going, "See, that proves that's he's REALLY bisexual and he's in denial when he say's he's gay!"

Funny how that works.
 
2013-04-28 01:40:33 PM

chopit: KrispyKritter: great to know so many Farkers live in a fantasy masturbatory world. go outside some time and meet the bulk of real life lesbians. they're more manly than most of you, they hate you at a glance and they'll gladly kick your balls up to your throat 'because most men are rapist scum'. tolerance might be asked for but it isn't necessarily given.

You've never met a lesbian.


You've never met  KrispyKritter:   He's one of our special posters.  We try not to say anything that might upset him.
 
2013-04-28 01:43:13 PM

RobSeace: wookiee cookie: Mouser: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

This is why the Bible condemns male homosexuality, but doesn't say anything about lesbianism.

romans 1:26-27 would like a word with you

You have misinterpreted that...


that's nice. still about lesbianism though. not that i give a flip about apologetics and the bible
 
2013-04-28 01:43:15 PM
In another twenty years nobody will care what your sexual preference is.

Being gay is normal, just not common.  Like being left handed - you're different but it has zero effect on your life.

/ The Christians really shot themselves in the foot with their hate.  Nice going.
 
2013-04-28 01:57:38 PM

studebaker hoch: In another twenty years nobody will care what your sexual preference is.

Being gay is normal, just not common.  Like being left handed - you're different but it has zero effect on your life.

/ The Christians really shot themselves in the foot with their hate.  Nice going.


On average, lefties live shorter lives than the right-handed.
 
2013-04-28 01:59:25 PM
Ok, I'm not a man but I live with 3 of them (my old man, my stepson and our roommate), so if I'm not an expert, I would like to think I'm at least somewhat observant in the day to day. I've had plenty of gay and lesbian friends-one of my very closest and dearest friends is a bi sexual woman and my take on this is as such: as already mentioned over and over again in this thread, women are pretty to look at (mostly and we do most of us try to be attractive), and well, we've probably been objectified more as ornaments at least during the course of my lifetime.  Not that men don't respect women, not my point.  The only thing I can figure out with straight men having an aversion/outright hatred towards gay men is the penis/testosterone angle.  It's a cliche but I have found it to be true-lots of straight men, even very well-meaning, open minded types, seem to have it rattling around somewhere in the back of their minds that a gay man might do to them something that he does not want.  I think some of it is a threat type of reaction, fight or flight and all that jazz.  All I can say is that my old man has several gay friends, is secure in his sexuality and doesn't feel threatened.  Henceforth, we have a great and varied social life with both our straight and gay friends and no one gets insulted or spooked or creeped out or whatever.  I think it's rare to find men that are secure enough to not worry about who their friend is boinking on a regular basis, male, female, whatever.  Not to insult nor to criticize straight men, I love men :) but it may just be something buried deep within male instinct.  Not saying this to excuse bad behavior, violence, etc, but it may play a part.  YMMV.
 
2013-04-28 02:20:01 PM

ciberido: gerbilpox: ciberido: If you assume that roughly 10 percent of the population is gay, and if you ignore all other factors, then out of 10 lovers a bisexual woman would have, 9 of them would be men. Basic probability.

Know how I know you don't understand probability?

Not really, no.  But feel free to explain it to me.  Use small words.


OK. See Spot run. See Spot jump. See Spot hump the legs of 10 lovers.
:-)

Let's go back to your premise:

Jane is ...

Oh wait, I see it now. My mistake.

i.imgur.com


/what's all this I hear about bicycle Uhauls who like both women and men?
///what, are other trucks sexist?
 
2013-04-28 02:28:51 PM

ciberido: gerbilpox: I've heard that (or watched Chasing Amy, at least.): the lez community looks at bi women as traitors. Though in the one case I know personally, a woman's wife showed she was bi by cheating with a man, so that might have had something to do with it.

I wouldn't say "traitors."  I'd say instead that a lot of "monogays" (gay men and lesbians who aren't bisexual) see bisexuals as "straddling the fence" or "not committed enough."  Like we're "half gay" or trying to be gay but not doing a very good job of it.  It seems to be based on the belief that there are only two "real" or "true" sexual orientations, and bisexuality is some sort of sham or myth.

I could give you a long tirade about how condescending and arrogant that attitude is, but if you've been paying attention in this thread, you already know how I feel about it.

The "support" for this prejudice is that every lesbian has a story of how she (or one of her lesbian friends) dated a bisexual woman who then "betrayed" her by breaking up with her and then dating a guy.  As if dating a woman and then dating a man (or vice-versa) was some sort of betrayal instead of what bisexuals naturally do.  Or, for added poignancy, you've got the urban legend (not saying it never happens, but it IS an urban legend) of the bisexual who "decides she really prefers men" --- often announcing this as she is breaking up with her lesbian girlfriend.

Of course, when the opposite happens (say a man who divorces his wife after the birth of his second child, announcing that he's just realized that he's a gay man) that somehow doesn't discredit monosexuality.  You won't see a lot of gay avengers going, "See, that proves that's he's REALLY bisexual and he's in denial when he say's he's gay!"

Funny how that works.


The solution for women would for bisexuals to couple with each other, but that almost never happens, since one woman has to be out and being out bi is still dangerous.
 
2013-04-28 02:31:09 PM

wookiee cookie: not that i give a flip about apologetics and the bible


I hope you're not accusing me of such, because I'm an atheist... I just think that if Christians actually followed the teachings of Christ, they wouldn't be such hate-filled assholes... Jesus never condemned gay people at all, and it could be argued he explicitly accepted and condoned them... But, even if you disagree with the biblical interpretations for him explicitly doing so, it's quite clear based on everything else he said that he would be cool with them... I may believe he was just some dude (if he existed at all and isn't just an amalgam of different people), but his message is clearly one of peace and love and tolerance, not hate; so, it's bizarre that so many modern-day Christians take away the complete wrong message...
 
2013-04-28 02:31:29 PM
specialkae:

Ok, I'm not a man but I live with 3 of them (my old man, my stepson and our roommate), so if I'm not an expert, I would like to think I'm at least somewhat observant in the day to day.

I've had plenty of gay and lesbian friends-one of my very closest and dearest friends is a bi sexual woman and my take on this is as such: as already mentioned over and over again in this thread, women are pretty to look at (mostly and we do most of us try to be attractive), and well, we've probably been objectified more as ornaments at least during the course of my lifetime.  Not that men don't respect women, not my point.

The only thing I can figure out with straight men having an aversion/outright hatred towards gay men is the penis/testosterone angle.  It's a cliche but I have found it to be true-lots of straight men, even very well-meaning, open minded types, seem to have it rattling around somewhere in the back of their minds that a gay man might do to them something that he does not want.  I think some of it is a threat type of reaction, fight or flight and all that jazz.

All I can say is that my old man has several gay friends, is secure in his sexuality and doesn't feel threatened.  Henceforth, we have a great and varied social life with both our straight and gay friends and no one gets insulted or spooked or creeped out or whatever.

I think it's rare to find men that are secure enough to not worry about who their friend is boinking on a regular basis, male, female, whatever.  Not to insult nor to criticize straight men, I love men :) but it may just be something buried deep within male instinct.

Not saying this to excuse bad behavior, violence, etc, but it may play a part.  YMMV.


PBFY
 
2013-04-28 02:34:36 PM

ciberido: chopit: KrispyKritter: great to know so many Farkers live in a fantasy masturbatory world. go outside some time and meet the bulk of real life lesbians. they're more manly than most of you, they hate you at a glance and they'll gladly kick your balls up to your throat 'because most men are rapist scum'. tolerance might be asked for but it isn't necessarily given.

You've never met a lesbian.

You've never met  KrispyKritter:   He's one of our special posters.  We try not to say anything that might upset him.


I have him favorited as "Runs Hot".
 
2013-04-28 02:34:49 PM
s18.postimg.org

Lesbian porn is actually teenage lesbian porn.
Gay porn is middle age gay porn.

Try comparing teenage gay porn versus middle age lesbian porn. Two 18 year old guys gay porn or two 45 year old women porn?

Just saying!

// Yeah, I know porn is 18-25 year old girl with 40+ year old guy.
 
2013-04-28 02:38:48 PM
95BV5

On average, lefties live shorter lives than the right-handed.

First I've heard of that.  A few links say lefties die in auto accidents because the insinctively do the wrong thing.  OK - what about in countries where they drive on the left side of the road?  Do lefties live longer? 

/ My productivity today is obviously going to approach zero.
 
2013-04-28 03:00:13 PM

MurphyMurphy: Summa cum loudly: The Greeks might disagree with you. And while you may disagree with them on that point, they kind of are responsible for the majority of Western Civilization. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

How so? Just because they didn't have the rampant homophobia our culture is working to shed itself of doesn't detract from anything I said.

As to what they have contributed to Western Civilization this specific topic doesn't enter into it. We have many things to thank the Greeks for in modern society but our social mores are not among them.

In fact those are the specific mores where we stand in stark contrast and it's those mores that were identified and attacked as Christianity replaced Paganism.


All I was saying was that your statement that all societies placed female beauty above male beauty is incorrect. Greek society esteemed the male form over the female. I wasn't espousing there particular cultural mores, just stating facts.
 
2013-04-28 04:01:52 PM

Krieghund: Comparing the Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts is a fallacy since they're completely different organizations.

The Boy Scouts don't let lesbians be Den Mothers, but they let straight women.


Lesbian Den Mothers would be a great band name.
 
2013-04-28 08:58:55 PM
A lesbian I worked with [doesn't matter] told a joke in front of her male teamates - "I was in the girl scouts but they kicked me out for eating a brownie" We love her.

She also snapped at me once saying I sounded like her wife.

Did I say we love her?
 
2013-04-28 09:04:54 PM
Oh, and I might have hit that
 
2013-04-28 11:13:45 PM

ciberido: gerbilpox: I've heard that (or watched Chasing Amy, at least.): the lez community looks at bi women as traitors. Though in the one case I know personally, a woman's wife showed she was bi by cheating with a man, so that might have had something to do with it.

I wouldn't say "traitors."  I'd say instead that a lot of "monogays" (gay men and lesbians who aren't bisexual) see bisexuals as "straddling the fence" or "not committed enough."  Like we're "half gay" or trying to be gay but not doing a very good job of it.  It seems to be based on the belief that there are only two "real" or "true" sexual orientations, and bisexuality is some sort of sham or myth.

I could give you a long tirade about how condescending and arrogant that attitude is, but if you've been paying attention in this thread, you already know how I feel about it.

The "support" for this prejudice is that every lesbian has a story of how she (or one of her lesbian friends) dated a bisexual woman who then "betrayed" her by breaking up with her and then dating a guy.  As if dating a woman and then dating a man (or vice-versa) was some sort of betrayal instead of what bisexuals naturally do.  Or, for added poignancy, you've got the urban legend (not saying it never happens, but it IS an urban legend) of the bisexual who "decides she really prefers men" --- often announcing this as she is breaking up with her lesbian girlfriend.

Of course, when the opposite happens (say a man who divorces his wife after the birth of his second child, announcing that he's just realized that he's a gay man) that somehow doesn't discredit monosexuality.  You won't see a lot of gay avengers going, "See, that proves that's he's REALLY bisexual and he's in denial when he say's he's gay!"

Funny how that works.


Stuff like this is one more reason I love and respect you.
/And ya never understood why it should mater who someone starts dating after they break up with a person.
 
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