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2013-04-28 04:30:40 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: R.A.Danny: tinfoil-hat maggie: R.A.Danny: We're talking about a failed presidential hopeful now, aren't we.... I'm going away now.

No don't go away, it's only White_Scarf_Syndrome and MusicMakeMyHeadPound that seem to be thinking way too much about anal sex.

Well for YOU I'll stick around.

Aw how sweet ; )
[i1121.photobucket.com image 500x333]


You have my attention.
 
2013-04-28 04:46:25 AM
I think the number of lesbians I know vs gay dudes i know is about equal.  Does not giving a damn what people do with their genitals count as acceptance?  Because I don't care who subby is banging either.
 
2013-04-28 05:39:25 AM
Lesbians are not hot. Lesbians are a fetish for involuntarily abstinent young men who have been desensitised to normal sexual imagery.
 
2013-04-28 06:30:59 AM

gerbilpox: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Right. What is terrifying about anal sex. I ask you. I ask all of you.

1) Never been at the receiving end, but I've had prostate exams and thermometers. Anything up there will either hurt like a mofo, or be extremely uncomfortable, or even if it's not bad at the time, leave a bruised feeling.

I know some people enjoy it, but for me, I don't even like to see a hetero couple do it in porn. It makes me wince. Also:

2) There's poopy up there! Did you know they're 10 trillion microbes in the human digestive tract? That about 1/3 of poo consists of them? That they include e. coli and other things that are harmful if they get into flesh or other orifices? (I've heard chicks wipe front-to-back for that reason,)

I have this debate with a gay friend. He talks about it being common to have guys who are so turned on by it that a fart's smell gets them randy. They even get 2 girls,1 cup about it. Meanwhile, I have my fingers in my ears, saying "Na na na, I can't hear you, I'm not listening, STFO."

If a woman wanted me to tap it, I guess I would -- with a condom -- but I'm not looking for it. The poontang and the mouth are just fine for me, and if I need variety, there's always her sister.

/or the gay friend


OK, the smell, that's gross and weird.

Microbes?  I dunno, my tool went back and forth to all 3 holes for about 45 minutes last night.  I will ask her if there is any infections.  In fact I don't need to, she would tell me.

I must say that when I mention this act I am speaking in terms of a male in a hetero setting.  It is well known men have some kinda g-spot or whatever in there, but I would never receive and I have not found it ever since I tried in my early 20's.

TMI.  whatever.
 
2013-04-28 06:47:29 AM
Ceci n'est pas une bookmark.
 
2013-04-28 06:48:17 AM

EvilPun: personally, seeing two guys who are genuinely in love making out is sooo effing adorable :3

I think straight guys are afraid of gay guys because the straighties think they gay guys want to have sex with them and they're afraid they'll like it. I don't believe anyone is completely 100% straight or completely 100% gay anyway.


This.

I wish I could wake up tomorrow in a world where who you enjoy having sex with is completely irrelevant. Nobody cares and it's a non-issue.

Of course then the attention whores who think being gay somehow makes them special or edgy and the religious loons who think god is going to fire and brimstone our country for being sinners would all have to find something else to live for.
 
2013-04-28 07:05:02 AM

illannoyin: EvilPun: personally, seeing two guys who are genuinely in love making out is sooo effing adorable :3

I think straight guys are afraid of gay guys because the straighties think they gay guys want to have sex with them and they're afraid they'll like it. I don't believe anyone is completely 100% straight or completely 100% gay anyway.

This.

I wish I could wake up tomorrow in a world where who you enjoy having sex with is completely irrelevant. Nobody cares and it's a non-issue.

Of course then the attention whores who think being gay somehow makes them special or edgy and the religious loons who think god is going to fire and brimstone our country for being sinners would all have to find something else to live for.


Wait I sorta live in that world, granted I know the other one's out there but hey, you don't have to pay attention to idiots ; )
 
2013-04-28 07:27:51 AM

Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.


This is why the Bible condemns male homosexuality, but doesn't say anything about lesbianism.
 
2013-04-28 08:29:48 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: gerbilpox: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Right. What is terrifying about anal sex. I ask you. I ask all of you.

1) Never been at the receiving end, but I've had prostate exams and thermometers. Anything up there will either hurt like a mofo, or be extremely uncomfortable, or even if it's not bad at the time, leave a bruised feeling.

I know some people enjoy it, but for me, I don't even like to see a hetero couple do it in porn. It makes me wince. Also:

2) There's poopy up there! Did you know they're 10 trillion microbes in the human digestive tract? That about 1/3 of poo consists of them? That they include e. coli and other things that are harmful if they get into flesh or other orifices? (I've heard chicks wipe front-to-back for that reason,)

I have this debate with a gay friend. He talks about it being common to have guys who are so turned on by it that a fart's smell gets them randy. They even get 2 girls,1 cup about it. Meanwhile, I have my fingers in my ears, saying "Na na na, I can't hear you, I'm not listening, STFO."

If a woman wanted me to tap it, I guess I would -- with a condom -- but I'm not looking for it. The poontang and the mouth are just fine for me, and if I need variety, there's always her sister.

/or the gay friend

OK, the smell, that's gross and weird.

Microbes?  I dunno, my tool went back and forth to all 3 holes for about 45 minutes last night.  I will ask her if there is any infections.  In fact I don't need to, she would tell me.

I must say that when I mention this act I am speaking in terms of a male in a hetero setting.  It is well known men have some kinda g-spot or whatever in there, but I would never receive and I have not found it ever since I tried in my early 20's.

TMI.  whatever.


For men, it's the prostate, though it's not evident in me either. Women don't have a prostate, though, so I don't see why it's enjoyable for them -- but apparently it's not just a porn movie myth that it is for some. Of course, I speak from the narrow viewpoint of a male whose g-spot-type area is purely weener-centered. (Cosmo: "The three secret places to touch a man." I've got one, and it ain't no secret.) Women are said to be less localized.
 
2013-04-28 08:30:30 AM
Lesbians are cooler to hang out with than flaming dudes.
 
2013-04-28 08:32:54 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: teenage mutant ninja rapist: I ment them hose bags that expect months of expensive resturantes and exciting dates at your expense before theyre gonna touch you.

CSB: I'm a big believer on the principle of equality. I once got a glass of ice water to the face for asking my date if she wanted to "go Dutch". The waitress rushed to her defense and separated us, asking her if she wanted to call the police on me. Turns out the date never heard the expression before and thought I was asking for anal sex. When the waitress explained what it meant I got another glass of water to the face and she stormed out.

The sympathetic manager did give me 10% off the bill so long as I promised to "never bring the trash around again, son".

/words to live by


I don't know that you deserves the bath, but springing that on her when she's at the table perusing the menu is dickhead behavior. Going Dutch is def abnormal behavior and you should have stipulated that when you asked her out, not once you've taken her away from her home.
 
2013-04-28 08:42:01 AM

Mouser: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

This is why the Bible condemns male homosexuality, but doesn't say anything about lesbianism.


romans 1:26-27 would like a word with you
 
2013-04-28 08:54:06 AM
Newsflash: A world run predominantly by heterosexual men tends to be more accepting of things that heterosexual men like and less accepting of things heterosexual men don't like.
 
2013-04-28 09:51:20 AM

KrispyKritter: great to know so many Farkers live in a fantasy masturbatory world. go outside some time and meet the bulk of real life lesbians. they're more manly than most of you, they hate you at a glance and they'll gladly kick your balls up to your throat 'because most men are rapist scum'. tolerance might be asked for but it isn't necessarily given.


You've never met a lesbian.
 
2013-04-28 10:42:36 AM

AdrienVeidt: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: teenage mutant ninja rapist: I ment them hose bags that expect months of expensive resturantes and exciting dates at your expense before theyre gonna touch you.

CSB: I'm a big believer on the principle of equality. I once got a glass of ice water to the face for asking my date if she wanted to "go Dutch". The waitress rushed to her defense and separated us, asking her if she wanted to call the police on me. Turns out the date never heard the expression before and thought I was asking for anal sex. When the waitress explained what it meant I got another glass of water to the face and she stormed out.

The sympathetic manager did give me 10% off the bill so long as I promised to "never bring the trash around again, son".

/words to live by

I don't know that you deserves the bath, but springing that on her when she's at the table perusing the menu is dickhead behavior. Going Dutch is def abnormal behavior and you should have stipulated that when you asked her out, not once you've taken her away from her home.


Dickhead behavior or not, that question has done its job so many times it's on par with "before I close this locked door, where are the keys?".

I'm in decent shape but I'm 5' 5", women aren't after me for my stunning physicality. So what is it about me that they find attractive? (My aggravating personality, says the lady I plan to make my wife).

So some girls said, "Oh. I didn't bring money" (never a deal-breaker but it is a yellow flag. Is this relationship going to be based around money? In some cases: oh yeah, big time.)

Other girls said, "I was planning on it" (creating an implied financial debt is an unhealthy way to start a relationship. Many women, including the current girlfriend, are thrilled that a man is aware of this issue and can think outside the cultural box.)

Only the one girl went crazy, and I'd prefer to get watered than to have gotten sucked into her train wreck of a life. I try to avoid the dangerous kind of crazy; we were only there because I was going through a dry spell and I'm nerdy enough to have enjoyed the irony. ;)
 
2013-04-28 10:53:15 AM

Fast Moon: Newsflash: A world run predominantly by heterosexual men tends to be more accepting of things that heterosexual men like and less accepting of things heterosexual men don't like.


Can we get a shot at that world.
I am tired of this one where management is mostly hypocritical homophobic homosexuals..
 
2013-04-28 10:53:30 AM

wookiee cookie: Mouser: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

This is why the Bible condemns male homosexuality, but doesn't say anything about lesbianism.

romans 1:26-27 would like a word with you


You have misinterpreted that...
 
2013-04-28 10:55:19 AM
Since I used to think I was a cowboy, I am getting a kick out of
 
2013-04-28 10:56:26 AM

RobSeace: wookiee cookie: Mouser: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

This is why the Bible condemns male homosexuality, but doesn't say anything about lesbianism.

romans 1:26-27 would like a word with you

You have misinterpreted that...


Remember, one man's interpretation is another man's Fark.
 
2013-04-28 12:20:23 PM
ciberido: So, yeah, fark Dan Savage.

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Whats a dan savage?

He's a very naughty boy.  Like a henweigh.
 
2013-04-28 12:23:12 PM

gerbilpox: ciberido: If you assume that roughly 10 percent of the population is gay, and if you ignore all other factors, then out of 10 lovers a bisexual woman would have, 9 of them would be men. Basic probability.

Know how I know you don't understand probability?


Not really, no.  But feel free to explain it to me.  Use small words.
 
2013-04-28 01:15:48 PM

gerbilpox: I've heard that (or watched Chasing Amy, at least.): the lez community looks at bi women as traitors. Though in the one case I know personally, a woman's wife showed she was bi by cheating with a man, so that might have had something to do with it.


I wouldn't say "traitors."  I'd say instead that a lot of "monogays" (gay men and lesbians who aren't bisexual) see bisexuals as "straddling the fence" or "not committed enough."  Like we're "half gay" or trying to be gay but not doing a very good job of it.  It seems to be based on the belief that there are only two "real" or "true" sexual orientations, and bisexuality is some sort of sham or myth.

I could give you a long tirade about how condescending and arrogant that attitude is, but if you've been paying attention in this thread, you already know how I feel about it.

The "support" for this prejudice is that every lesbian has a story of how she (or one of her lesbian friends) dated a bisexual woman who then "betrayed" her by breaking up with her and then dating a guy.  As if dating a woman and then dating a man (or vice-versa) was some sort of betrayal instead of what bisexuals naturally do.  Or, for added poignancy, you've got the urban legend (not saying it never happens, but it IS an urban legend) of the bisexual who "decides she really prefers men" --- often announcing this as she is breaking up with her lesbian girlfriend.

Of course, when the opposite happens (say a man who divorces his wife after the birth of his second child, announcing that he's just realized that he's a gay man) that somehow doesn't discredit monosexuality.  You won't see a lot of gay avengers going, "See, that proves that's he's REALLY bisexual and he's in denial when he say's he's gay!"

Funny how that works.
 
2013-04-28 01:40:33 PM

chopit: KrispyKritter: great to know so many Farkers live in a fantasy masturbatory world. go outside some time and meet the bulk of real life lesbians. they're more manly than most of you, they hate you at a glance and they'll gladly kick your balls up to your throat 'because most men are rapist scum'. tolerance might be asked for but it isn't necessarily given.

You've never met a lesbian.


You've never met  KrispyKritter:   He's one of our special posters.  We try not to say anything that might upset him.
 
2013-04-28 01:43:13 PM

RobSeace: wookiee cookie: Mouser: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

This is why the Bible condemns male homosexuality, but doesn't say anything about lesbianism.

romans 1:26-27 would like a word with you

You have misinterpreted that...


that's nice. still about lesbianism though. not that i give a flip about apologetics and the bible
 
2013-04-28 01:43:15 PM
In another twenty years nobody will care what your sexual preference is.

Being gay is normal, just not common.  Like being left handed - you're different but it has zero effect on your life.

/ The Christians really shot themselves in the foot with their hate.  Nice going.
 
2013-04-28 01:57:38 PM

studebaker hoch: In another twenty years nobody will care what your sexual preference is.

Being gay is normal, just not common.  Like being left handed - you're different but it has zero effect on your life.

/ The Christians really shot themselves in the foot with their hate.  Nice going.


On average, lefties live shorter lives than the right-handed.
 
2013-04-28 01:59:25 PM
Ok, I'm not a man but I live with 3 of them (my old man, my stepson and our roommate), so if I'm not an expert, I would like to think I'm at least somewhat observant in the day to day. I've had plenty of gay and lesbian friends-one of my very closest and dearest friends is a bi sexual woman and my take on this is as such: as already mentioned over and over again in this thread, women are pretty to look at (mostly and we do most of us try to be attractive), and well, we've probably been objectified more as ornaments at least during the course of my lifetime.  Not that men don't respect women, not my point.  The only thing I can figure out with straight men having an aversion/outright hatred towards gay men is the penis/testosterone angle.  It's a cliche but I have found it to be true-lots of straight men, even very well-meaning, open minded types, seem to have it rattling around somewhere in the back of their minds that a gay man might do to them something that he does not want.  I think some of it is a threat type of reaction, fight or flight and all that jazz.  All I can say is that my old man has several gay friends, is secure in his sexuality and doesn't feel threatened.  Henceforth, we have a great and varied social life with both our straight and gay friends and no one gets insulted or spooked or creeped out or whatever.  I think it's rare to find men that are secure enough to not worry about who their friend is boinking on a regular basis, male, female, whatever.  Not to insult nor to criticize straight men, I love men :) but it may just be something buried deep within male instinct.  Not saying this to excuse bad behavior, violence, etc, but it may play a part.  YMMV.
 
2013-04-28 02:20:01 PM

ciberido: gerbilpox: ciberido: If you assume that roughly 10 percent of the population is gay, and if you ignore all other factors, then out of 10 lovers a bisexual woman would have, 9 of them would be men. Basic probability.

Know how I know you don't understand probability?

Not really, no.  But feel free to explain it to me.  Use small words.


OK. See Spot run. See Spot jump. See Spot hump the legs of 10 lovers.
:-)

Let's go back to your premise:

Jane is ...

Oh wait, I see it now. My mistake.

i.imgur.com


/what's all this I hear about bicycle Uhauls who like both women and men?
///what, are other trucks sexist?
 
2013-04-28 02:28:51 PM

ciberido: gerbilpox: I've heard that (or watched Chasing Amy, at least.): the lez community looks at bi women as traitors. Though in the one case I know personally, a woman's wife showed she was bi by cheating with a man, so that might have had something to do with it.

I wouldn't say "traitors."  I'd say instead that a lot of "monogays" (gay men and lesbians who aren't bisexual) see bisexuals as "straddling the fence" or "not committed enough."  Like we're "half gay" or trying to be gay but not doing a very good job of it.  It seems to be based on the belief that there are only two "real" or "true" sexual orientations, and bisexuality is some sort of sham or myth.

I could give you a long tirade about how condescending and arrogant that attitude is, but if you've been paying attention in this thread, you already know how I feel about it.

The "support" for this prejudice is that every lesbian has a story of how she (or one of her lesbian friends) dated a bisexual woman who then "betrayed" her by breaking up with her and then dating a guy.  As if dating a woman and then dating a man (or vice-versa) was some sort of betrayal instead of what bisexuals naturally do.  Or, for added poignancy, you've got the urban legend (not saying it never happens, but it IS an urban legend) of the bisexual who "decides she really prefers men" --- often announcing this as she is breaking up with her lesbian girlfriend.

Of course, when the opposite happens (say a man who divorces his wife after the birth of his second child, announcing that he's just realized that he's a gay man) that somehow doesn't discredit monosexuality.  You won't see a lot of gay avengers going, "See, that proves that's he's REALLY bisexual and he's in denial when he say's he's gay!"

Funny how that works.


The solution for women would for bisexuals to couple with each other, but that almost never happens, since one woman has to be out and being out bi is still dangerous.
 
2013-04-28 02:31:09 PM

wookiee cookie: not that i give a flip about apologetics and the bible


I hope you're not accusing me of such, because I'm an atheist... I just think that if Christians actually followed the teachings of Christ, they wouldn't be such hate-filled assholes... Jesus never condemned gay people at all, and it could be argued he explicitly accepted and condoned them... But, even if you disagree with the biblical interpretations for him explicitly doing so, it's quite clear based on everything else he said that he would be cool with them... I may believe he was just some dude (if he existed at all and isn't just an amalgam of different people), but his message is clearly one of peace and love and tolerance, not hate; so, it's bizarre that so many modern-day Christians take away the complete wrong message...
 
2013-04-28 02:31:29 PM
specialkae:

Ok, I'm not a man but I live with 3 of them (my old man, my stepson and our roommate), so if I'm not an expert, I would like to think I'm at least somewhat observant in the day to day.

I've had plenty of gay and lesbian friends-one of my very closest and dearest friends is a bi sexual woman and my take on this is as such: as already mentioned over and over again in this thread, women are pretty to look at (mostly and we do most of us try to be attractive), and well, we've probably been objectified more as ornaments at least during the course of my lifetime.  Not that men don't respect women, not my point.

The only thing I can figure out with straight men having an aversion/outright hatred towards gay men is the penis/testosterone angle.  It's a cliche but I have found it to be true-lots of straight men, even very well-meaning, open minded types, seem to have it rattling around somewhere in the back of their minds that a gay man might do to them something that he does not want.  I think some of it is a threat type of reaction, fight or flight and all that jazz.

All I can say is that my old man has several gay friends, is secure in his sexuality and doesn't feel threatened.  Henceforth, we have a great and varied social life with both our straight and gay friends and no one gets insulted or spooked or creeped out or whatever.

I think it's rare to find men that are secure enough to not worry about who their friend is boinking on a regular basis, male, female, whatever.  Not to insult nor to criticize straight men, I love men :) but it may just be something buried deep within male instinct.

Not saying this to excuse bad behavior, violence, etc, but it may play a part.  YMMV.


PBFY
 
2013-04-28 02:34:36 PM

ciberido: chopit: KrispyKritter: great to know so many Farkers live in a fantasy masturbatory world. go outside some time and meet the bulk of real life lesbians. they're more manly than most of you, they hate you at a glance and they'll gladly kick your balls up to your throat 'because most men are rapist scum'. tolerance might be asked for but it isn't necessarily given.

You've never met a lesbian.

You've never met  KrispyKritter:   He's one of our special posters.  We try not to say anything that might upset him.


I have him favorited as "Runs Hot".
 
2013-04-28 02:34:49 PM
s18.postimg.org

Lesbian porn is actually teenage lesbian porn.
Gay porn is middle age gay porn.

Try comparing teenage gay porn versus middle age lesbian porn. Two 18 year old guys gay porn or two 45 year old women porn?

Just saying!

// Yeah, I know porn is 18-25 year old girl with 40+ year old guy.
 
2013-04-28 02:38:48 PM
95BV5

On average, lefties live shorter lives than the right-handed.

First I've heard of that.  A few links say lefties die in auto accidents because the insinctively do the wrong thing.  OK - what about in countries where they drive on the left side of the road?  Do lefties live longer? 

/ My productivity today is obviously going to approach zero.
 
2013-04-28 03:00:13 PM

MurphyMurphy: Summa cum loudly: The Greeks might disagree with you. And while you may disagree with them on that point, they kind of are responsible for the majority of Western Civilization. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

How so? Just because they didn't have the rampant homophobia our culture is working to shed itself of doesn't detract from anything I said.

As to what they have contributed to Western Civilization this specific topic doesn't enter into it. We have many things to thank the Greeks for in modern society but our social mores are not among them.

In fact those are the specific mores where we stand in stark contrast and it's those mores that were identified and attacked as Christianity replaced Paganism.


All I was saying was that your statement that all societies placed female beauty above male beauty is incorrect. Greek society esteemed the male form over the female. I wasn't espousing there particular cultural mores, just stating facts.
 
2013-04-28 04:01:52 PM

Krieghund: Comparing the Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts is a fallacy since they're completely different organizations.

The Boy Scouts don't let lesbians be Den Mothers, but they let straight women.


Lesbian Den Mothers would be a great band name.
 
2013-04-28 08:58:55 PM
A lesbian I worked with [doesn't matter] told a joke in front of her male teamates - "I was in the girl scouts but they kicked me out for eating a brownie" We love her.

She also snapped at me once saying I sounded like her wife.

Did I say we love her?
 
2013-04-28 09:04:54 PM
Oh, and I might have hit that
 
2013-04-28 11:13:45 PM

ciberido: gerbilpox: I've heard that (or watched Chasing Amy, at least.): the lez community looks at bi women as traitors. Though in the one case I know personally, a woman's wife showed she was bi by cheating with a man, so that might have had something to do with it.

I wouldn't say "traitors."  I'd say instead that a lot of "monogays" (gay men and lesbians who aren't bisexual) see bisexuals as "straddling the fence" or "not committed enough."  Like we're "half gay" or trying to be gay but not doing a very good job of it.  It seems to be based on the belief that there are only two "real" or "true" sexual orientations, and bisexuality is some sort of sham or myth.

I could give you a long tirade about how condescending and arrogant that attitude is, but if you've been paying attention in this thread, you already know how I feel about it.

The "support" for this prejudice is that every lesbian has a story of how she (or one of her lesbian friends) dated a bisexual woman who then "betrayed" her by breaking up with her and then dating a guy.  As if dating a woman and then dating a man (or vice-versa) was some sort of betrayal instead of what bisexuals naturally do.  Or, for added poignancy, you've got the urban legend (not saying it never happens, but it IS an urban legend) of the bisexual who "decides she really prefers men" --- often announcing this as she is breaking up with her lesbian girlfriend.

Of course, when the opposite happens (say a man who divorces his wife after the birth of his second child, announcing that he's just realized that he's a gay man) that somehow doesn't discredit monosexuality.  You won't see a lot of gay avengers going, "See, that proves that's he's REALLY bisexual and he's in denial when he say's he's gay!"

Funny how that works.


Stuff like this is one more reason I love and respect you.
/And ya never understood why it should mater who someone starts dating after they break up with a person.
 
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