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2013-04-28 01:38:52 AM  
this thread is just filled with disappoint!
 
2013-04-28 01:40:46 AM  

hundreddollarman: TheJoe03: gerbilpox: Maybe I'm the only straight guy in the world who feels this way, but I find lesbian porn kinda boring. I want to see women stimulating a peener in some way, and imagine that it's mine. Stimulating a vag with other appendages is something I'm happy to do for a partner, but for her sake; it doesn't do anything for me, and I'm not particularly interested in watching someone -- guy or girl -- do it. NTTAWWT.

But I say this in the relative anonymity of a Fark thread. IRL, "oh yeah, I love it when biatches be boffing!" 'Cuz, you know, I'm not ghey or nothin'.

I'm in the same boat, seems like a whole lotta foreplay and no real action. It's nice to watch but I stick to straight porn for the most part.

One word, guys: scissoring. I could watch two hotties scissor each other for hours.


Amen to that.
 
2013-04-28 01:41:55 AM  

Coco LaFemme: StoPPeRmobile: rubi_con_man: Coco LaFemme: rubi_con_man: Coco LaFemme: After I told her I don't drink and had no interest in women in anyway that would require them to remove their panties in my presence, she said I was weird.

Am I weird? I don't think I'm weird. Do bisexual/gay men think it's weird when straight guys say they have no interest in experimenting with men? I think not. So why is it only women that get called weird for that?

So let me get this straight : You turned down someone who was even mildly interested in sexing you up and they insulted you ? That sounds par for the course for humanity.

I didn't say she was interested in sexing me up. My gaydar only works on men, but she's not to my knowledge actually hit on me. I'd be flattered, but I'd have to pass. No, she was legitimately asking me if I'd ever experimented in college with women because she thought everyone did, and I told her I didn't.....which she thought was weird.

Sounds like she was a little defensive, or your response was genuinely counter to her experiences.

I think the fact that you don't drink might be entangled somehow... Perhaps people who are equally straight 'experiment' while drinking in college?

People that don't drink are hiding something.

Maybe they just have the experience of dealing with alcoholic family members, and thus even the idea of drinking is repugnant to them. You know, something like that. Doesn't always have to be mysterious.


I'm Irish.

Never said it was mysterious. I said people that don't drink are hiding something.

O have you deemed, who looked on us with scorn,
Poor drunkards, dreaming-drunk from morn to morn,
Our raiment stained, our reputation gone,
That all our heart is grape or barley-corn?

Within the haunted wine-cup more than wine
It is that makes a mortal man divine,
We seek a drink more deadly and more strange
Than ever grew on any earthly vine.

The wine-cup is the little silver well
Where Truth, if Truth there be, doth ever dwell;
Death too is there,--and Death who would not seek?--
And Love that in itself is Heaven and Hell.

Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam, I think Richard Lagalien translated from Fitzgerald.
 
2013-04-28 01:42:39 AM  

TheJoe03: hundreddollarman: TheJoe03: gerbilpox: Maybe I'm the only straight guy in the world who feels this way, but I find lesbian porn kinda boring. I want to see women stimulating a peener in some way, and imagine that it's mine. Stimulating a vag with other appendages is something I'm happy to do for a partner, but for her sake; it doesn't do anything for me, and I'm not particularly interested in watching someone -- guy or girl -- do it. NTTAWWT.

But I say this in the relative anonymity of a Fark thread. IRL, "oh yeah, I love it when biatches be boffing!" 'Cuz, you know, I'm not ghey or nothin'.

I'm in the same boat, seems like a whole lotta foreplay and no real action. It's nice to watch but I stick to straight porn for the most part.

One word, guys: scissoring. I could watch two hotties scissor each other for hours.

Amen to that.


I prefer 69. Not that you guys are talkin' crazytalk or anything.
 
2013-04-28 01:47:17 AM  

laid back w/bud light: I've lived in Provincetown, Ma which is like gay disneyland for over 40 years on and off, family came from there.   I don't care if it's man on man or girl on girl but lesbians in porn are not the norm in real life.  Most of them would look like they'd be more likely to chop down a tree with an axe than what you see in porn.  Most lesbians have more male traits, like how they act, and most male homosexuals are more effeminate than you would expect a man to act.   I don't care what they do with each other, and my 11 yr. old daughter is ok with it since she spends a lot of time there.   Basically I look at being gay as a genetic mistake that I ignore .    I will say that lesbians in p-town are more aggressive towards straight people than they were in the past.   Like yelling derogetary things at me for no reason just passing them on my way through town unprovoked.



Something I've noticed in Fark threads, and I imagine it applies to the world at large, is that there seems to be a high correlation between being misogynistic and homophobic.  I use  laid back w/bud light's post here as an example that seems to illustrate this because I hadn't seen him say anything homophobic before this thread, but I had marked him down for misogyny on two separate occasions.  And here, as fits my little theory, we now see he's homophobic as well.

Of course, one explanation is just that bigotry is the fundamental characteristic underlying all the different forms (misogyny, racism, homophobia, et cetera), but I speculate that that alone is not the whole story.  My hypothesis is that homophobia and misogyny are correlated with each other moreso than either is with other types of prejudice (such as racism) because both depend on certain narrow-minded ideas of "what it means to be a woman" (and "what it means to be a man").

I suspect they are tied to  hegemonic masculinity, but I cannot be certain.   If this hasn't be studied scientifically yet, I really hope it will be.
 
2013-04-28 01:50:02 AM  

ciberido: Something I've noticed in Fark threads, and I imagine it applies to the world at large, is that there seems to be a high correlation between being misogynistic and homophobic.  I use  laid back w/bud light's post here as an example that seems to illustrate this because I hadn't seen him say anything homophobic before this thread, but I had marked him down for misogyny on two separate occasions


I will have your spreadsheet one day. I WILL HAVE IT!
 
2013-04-28 01:51:43 AM  

Jesterling: [www.charlock.org image 440x330]


Can't it be both?
 
2013-04-28 01:57:20 AM  
totally useless without pics!!!
 
2013-04-28 01:57:37 AM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: I ment them hose bags that expect months of expensive resturantes and exciting dates at your expense before theyre gonna touch you.


CSB: I'm a big believer on the principle of equality. I once got a glass of ice water to the face for asking my date if she wanted to "go Dutch". The waitress rushed to her defense and separated us, asking her if she wanted to call the police on me. Turns out the date never heard the expression before and thought I was asking for anal sex. When the waitress explained what it meant I got another glass of water to the face and she stormed out.

The sympathetic manager did give me 10% off the bill so long as I promised to "never bring the trash around again, son".

/words to live by
 
2013-04-28 01:59:36 AM  

lohphat: Paging rugbyjock to the thread. Hot, sweaty rugbyjock.


dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-04-28 02:02:54 AM  
www.demotivationalposters.org
 
2013-04-28 02:14:11 AM  

R.A.Danny: ciberido: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Having read the article I can only say.  WE DON'T CARE.  Stop being gay in my face, just shut up, jesus. Good for you, you're persecuted.  Peel off that equal sign bumper sticker, no one gives a fark and stop paying Jesus freaks attention.  Blargh.


It's always fun when someone gets so angry and worked up about how they don't care about a topic.  You don't care so much you're red in the face.

Kinda funny how that works.


That's the Scorpio in me, I guess.  It's pretty dumb, huh?

Deny! Internalize!!!
 
2013-04-28 02:19:42 AM  
I think it's pretty clear that we've been programmed.  How many times have we seen straight women kissing each other on television? Those totally unrehearsed kisses during awards programs, Ally McBeal.  I'm sure there are others (come on, help me out guys...).

The question that always occurs to me is why?  Why aren't we conditioned to accept straight men kissing?   I just figure that from time immemorial, homosexual men are feared in part because any grouping of men outside the confines of church, work, school, etc. may lead to opposition.  Men are more likely to be strong and aggressive and may cause problems for the authority.  Women, not so much.  And the perverts in power want to see more and more women getting it on, whether they be lesbians or not.  Maybe that's all a bit of stretch, who knows.
 
2013-04-28 02:22:06 AM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: teenage mutant ninja rapist: I ment them hose bags that expect months of expensive resturantes and exciting dates at your expense before theyre gonna touch you.

CSB: I'm a big believer on the principle of equality. I once got a glass of ice water to the face for asking my date if she wanted to "go Dutch". The waitress rushed to her defense and separated us, asking her if she wanted to call the police on me. Turns out the date never heard the expression before and thought I was asking for anal sex. When the waitress explained what it meant I got another glass of water to the face and she stormed out.

The sympathetic manager did give me 10% off the bill so long as I promised to "never bring the trash around again, son".

/words to live by


What a psycho biatch. Yeah I know a hustle when I see one coming. But I didnt when I was younger and naive enough to fall in love.

When the bill comes just leave it. See how long it takes for her to acknowledge it.

my usual response is I got it. But I still like to see how she reacts to it
 
2013-04-28 02:26:08 AM  

ciberido: White_Scarf_Syndrome: bobtheallmighty: People will stop being "gay in your face" at about the same time straight people stop being "straight" in your face.

Really? I have not seen a "straight" bumper sticker.  Yet.  Like I said. Who effing cares. No matter how much I like to talk about it, no one gives a shiat what I do in the bedroom.  I suppose there is a silent majority and there is a very loud bunch of advocates, just like anything else.

Really?  You've never seen a "baby on board" sign on a car, or those little stick figure symbols on the windscreen depicting a man, a woman, and their children?  You've never seen a wedding ring in your life?  You've never heard a man refer to "my wife" or a woman refer to "my husband"?  You've never seen a man and a woman kiss, or even just hold hands, in public?  You've never seen someone put a picture of their spouse on their desk at work?

Are you lying or are you just a complete idiot?


I did not think of it that way.  "in my face" can't be equated to a ring, or windscreen.  I spend too much time online.  I wouldn't view a photo on a desk as the same as some of this other stuff.  I was vague, and you've pointed it out, I know.

But thanks for insulting me, I do see your point.
 
2013-04-28 02:28:25 AM  

rynthetyn: Notabunny: "It is, for many people, a phase."

GHAA! (NSFW - language) Sorry.

People aren't going to complain about the NSFW language, it's more likely that you're going to get the "GHAAA DAN SAVAGE IS BIPHOBIC!!!!" response. Never mind that it's actually true that while there are unquestionably bi people, pretty much every gay person tried to convince themselves they were bi at one point in their life.



Sorry to be predictable, but Dan Savage IS biphobic.   And transphobic.  And a smug, arrogant, condescending asshat.  Frankly, Dan Savage is the guy that the expression "With friends like these , who needs enemies?" was made for.
 
2013-04-28 02:28:45 AM  

AcesFull: I have a male cousin who is gay...He was born that way. Period...It is difficult to hear some folks say no one can be born that way,when you've actually watched a kid from birth grow to manhood and never ever change...I just want anyone who might give me an opinion,understand where I'm at on that...
  With that being said...Can one be born bi-sexual??  or is that primarily a choice?


I'm bisexual and I've been that way for as long as I can remember. I never made the conscious
choice to decide that I was going to be attracted to men and women equally, I just am.

In elementary it manifested itself in a little bit of envy over girls who were prettier and girl-ier
than I was. In middle school, it was less an envy thing and more of noticing in the locker room
that [insert name] was so pretty and noticing who was developing and who was not.

I probably had my first girl-crush in high school, though I never told her and we were never
more than friends.
 
2013-04-28 02:32:24 AM  

Mugato: missmez: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

I'm shocked beyond belief to learn that there is a type of sexual activity you don't condone.


What did I just say? I fully condone all manner of consensual gay sex. Male gay sex is just terrifying and horrid, that's all. I don't get all pissy when gay guys criticise the hetero love. And they do.


It's because men have been culturally conditioned to loathe their own bodies. It's really that simple.
 
2013-04-28 02:34:59 AM  

Caffandtranqs: I forgot to mention my biggest grievance with porn.  There is/are always some ugly motherfarkers doing the women.  Do the directors go out and look for any ugly bastid off the street to do these things?


I think it's largely because most porn is made for heterosexual men (excluding porn made for gay men), and those men feel threatened by good-looking men.

Or maybe it's because most of the guys who spend money on porn don't identify as easily with really good-looking men, either because they actually are ugly or because they lack self-esteem.  Plenty of attractive people, both male and female, think they're unattractive.

I don't know, these are just guesses.
 
2013-04-28 02:36:41 AM  

ciberido: I think it's largely because most porn is made for heterosexual men (excluding porn made for gay men), and those men feel threatened by good-looking men.


Or they get turned on by the degradation of watching some young thing getting A2M from Ron Jeremy.
 
2013-04-28 02:38:41 AM  

R.A.Danny: ciberido: Something I've noticed in Fark threads, and I imagine it applies to the world at large, is that there seems to be a high correlation between being misogynistic and homophobic.  I use  laid back w/bud light's post here as an example that seems to illustrate this because I hadn't seen him say anything homophobic before this thread, but I had marked him down for misogyny on two separate occasions

I will have your spreadsheet one day. I WILL HAVE IT!


I don't know what to call it.  Obsessive-compulsive?  Anal-retentive?  Too much free time?  It's not really something any reasonable person should be proud of.
 
2013-04-28 02:38:56 AM  

wookiee cookie: Mugato: missmez: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

I'm shocked beyond belief to learn that there is a type of sexual activity you don't condone.


What did I just say? I fully condone all manner of consensual gay sex. Male gay sex is just terrifying and horrid, that's all. I don't get all pissy when gay guys criticise the hetero love. And they do.

It's because men have been culturally conditioned to loathe their own bodies. It's really that simple.


Thats not entirely true.
Out of shape guys with beer guts that are balding. And skinny dweebs with no scars have been conditioned this way.

nut unlike women without a proper figure.

if you cant fit into the latest jeans or yoga pants. or you arent ripped like a cage fighter

atleast that seems to be the overall message people get thrown at them these days
 
2013-04-28 02:40:03 AM  

ciberido: rynthetyn: Notabunny: "It is, for many people, a phase."

GHAA! (NSFW - language) Sorry.

People aren't going to complain about the NSFW language, it's more likely that you're going to get the "GHAAA DAN SAVAGE IS BIPHOBIC!!!!" response. Never mind that it's actually true that while there are unquestionably bi people, pretty much every gay person tried to convince themselves they were bi at one point in their life.


Sorry to be predictable, but Dan Savage IS biphobic.   And transphobic.  And a smug, arrogant, condescending asshat.  Frankly, Dan Savage is the guy that the expression "With friends like these , who needs enemies?" was made for.


I'm going to have to go with a [Citation Needed] on that one because as many times as people say that, I've never seen a citation to anything that wasn't years ago and that he hasn't long since apologized for. And what he says about lots of gay people trying to convince themselves they were bi before finally accepting themselves is true, as is the fact that lots of bisexuals disappear into straight relationships and then stay firmly locked in the closet. And well, as for the trans issues, there are a lot more people than Dan Savage who had to be educated on that--heck, I watch the show "Ugly Betty" now and cringe about how much the word "tranny" is casually thrown around, but when that show was on the air it was being lauded and winning GLAAD media awards for it's portrayal of trans issues.

So again, [Citation Needed].
 
2013-04-28 02:41:31 AM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: ciberido: White_Scarf_Syndrome: bobtheallmighty: People will stop being "gay in your face" at about the same time straight people stop being "straight" in your face.

Really? I have not seen a "straight" bumper sticker.  Yet.  Like I said. Who effing cares. No matter how much I like to talk about it, no one gives a shiat what I do in the bedroom.  I suppose there is a silent majority and there is a very loud bunch of advocates, just like anything else.

Really?  You've never seen a "baby on board" sign on a car, or those little stick figure symbols on the windscreen depicting a man, a woman, and their children?  You've never seen a wedding ring in your life?  You've never heard a man refer to "my wife" or a woman refer to "my husband"?  You've never seen a man and a woman kiss, or even just hold hands, in public?  You've never seen someone put a picture of their spouse on their desk at work?

Are you lying or are you just a complete idiot?

I did not think of it that way.  "in my face" can't be equated to a ring, or windscreen.  I spend too much time online.  I wouldn't view a photo on a desk as the same as some of this other stuff.  I was vague, and you've pointed it out, I know.

But thanks for insulting me, I do see your point.



Well, if it matters to you, I'll also mark you down as ... not sure how to categorize it ... thoughtful?  Open-minded?  Willing to accept criticism?    Something like that.

And don't take insults from me too personally.  I can get pretty harsh in Fark threads.
 
2013-04-28 02:43:37 AM  
Never had much use for the sweaty, grunting, insert-inappropriate-things-in-anus lifestyle of male homosexuality, but I used to like Lesbians a lot, and in college hung around with them. It's been a good many years (due to being married) but it used to be that I generally had at least a 50% chance of getting laid with them. At that time, at that age, there was a lot of uncertainty and guilty on the part of those young, nubile, soft, and horny girls, and - being a psychology major at the time - I could offer one-on-two sex therapy to "save" them from the lesbian lifestyle. Ah, those were the days. Saved quite a few young ladies, but I do have to tell you that handling/saving/converting two girls at a time, sometimes 3 different duos each week, was physically, emotionally, and mentally exhausting. Hell, one time I ended up saving a threesome of lovely ladies. Damn near killed me.
 
2013-04-28 02:46:34 AM  

R.A.Danny: ciberido: I think it's largely because most porn is made for heterosexual men (excluding porn made for gay men), and those men feel threatened by good-looking men.

Or they get turned on by the degradation of watching some young thing getting A2M from Ron Jeremy.


Wow.  You like read my mind.  I actually started to add something about some porn being about degrading women (please note I said SOME porn) and possibly using ugly men in those scenes somehow was supposed to make the degradation worse.

Then I decided to not include it in my post because I didn't want to start a side argument about porn and degradation, but your brought it up first, so it's all on you.
 
2013-04-28 02:47:58 AM  

universebetween: [www.demotivationalposters.org image 640x757]


In reality:

forums.pelicanparts.com
 
2013-04-28 02:48:01 AM  

ciberido: Then I decided to not include it in my post because I didn't want to start a side argument about porn and degradation, but your brought it up first, so it's all on you.


It's totally wrong to find degradation to be totally hot.

But it is.

Totally.
 
2013-04-28 02:55:08 AM  

lohphat: universebetween: [www.demotivationalposters.org image 640x757]

In reality:

[forums.pelicanparts.com image 550x425]


YOU KNOW NOTHING!

files.myopera.com
 
2013-04-28 02:56:53 AM  

ciberido: White_Scarf_Syndrome: ciberido: White_Scarf_Syndrome: bobtheallmighty: People will stop being "gay in your face" at about the same time straight people stop being "straight" in your face.

Really? I have not seen a "straight" bumper sticker.  Yet.  Like I said. Who effing cares. No matter how much I like to talk about it, no one gives a shiat what I do in the bedroom.  I suppose there is a silent majority and there is a very loud bunch of advocates, just like anything else.

Really?  You've never seen a "baby on board" sign on a car, or those little stick figure symbols on the windscreen depicting a man, a woman, and their children?  You've never seen a wedding ring in your life?  You've never heard a man refer to "my wife" or a woman refer to "my husband"?  You've never seen a man and a woman kiss, or even just hold hands, in public?  You've never seen someone put a picture of their spouse on their desk at work?

Are you lying or are you just a complete idiot?

I did not think of it that way.  "in my face" can't be equated to a ring, or windscreen.  I spend too much time online.  I wouldn't view a photo on a desk as the same as some of this other stuff.  I was vague, and you've pointed it out, I know.

But thanks for insulting me, I do see your point.


Well, if it matters to you, I'll also mark you down as ... not sure how to categorize it ... thoughtful?  Open-minded?  Willing to accept criticism?    Something like that.

And don't take insults from me too personally.  I can get pretty harsh in Fark threads.


No big deal.  Lately I've found I try and find any excuse I can to talk about anal sex in Fark threads.  I can get pretty disgusting in Fark threads.

The "in my face" comment was a bit much.  I really don't feel that's how it is in actual life.  Maybe that whole equal sign on facebook thing got to me.  Annoying as all hell.  Then again, that's my own fault/friends, so what does that say?  Meh.
 
2013-04-28 03:02:55 AM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: wookiee cookie: Mugato: missmez: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

I'm shocked beyond belief to learn that there is a type of sexual activity you don't condone.


What did I just say? I fully condone all manner of consensual gay sex. Male gay sex is just terrifying and horrid, that's all. I don't get all pissy when gay guys criticise the hetero love. And they do.

It's because men have been culturally conditioned to loathe their own bodies. It's really that simple.

Thats not entirely true.
Out of shape guys with beer guts that are balding. And skinny dweebs with no scars have been conditioned this way.

nut unlike women without a proper figure.

if you cant fit into the latest jeans or yoga pants. or you arent ripped like a cage fighter

atleast that seems to be the overall message people get thrown at them these days


I don't understand your post. But it's obvious we have a cultural tradition that programs us: vagina=hot, penis=gross
 
2013-04-28 03:09:34 AM  
ciberido: Sorry to be predictable, but Dan Savage IS biphobic.   And transphobic.  And a smug, arrogant, condescending asshat.  Frankly, Dan Savage is the guy that the expression "With friends like these , who needs enemies?" was made for.

rynthetyn: I'm going to have to go with a [Citation Needed] on that one because as many times as people say that, I've never seen a citation to anything that wasn't years ago and that he hasn't long since apologized for. And what he says about lots of gay people trying to convince themselves they were bi before finally accepting themselves is true, as is the fact that lots of bisexuals disappear into straight relationships and then stay firmly locked in the closet. And well, as for the trans issues, there are a lot more people than Dan Savage who had to be educated on that--heck, I watch the show "Ugly Betty" now and cringe about how much the word "tranny" is casually thrown around, but when that show was on the air it was being lauded and winning GLAAD media awards for it's portrayal of trans issues.



1) Sorry to be weaksauce, but I'm too lazy or apathetic to go hunting for a bunch of links AGAIN.  But see point 2.

2) I've had this argument in earlier Fark threads, where I claimed Dan Savage was biphobic, someone challenged me (hell, might even have been you), and I posted links to support my argument.  So if you really want my arguments, you can search for that earlier thread(s).

3) I was being a bit lazy with my verb tenses.  Dan Savage WAS AT ONE TIME biphobic.  Whether or not he still is, what retractions or clarifications he may have made since, I don't know.  Frankly, I would be surprised to find that as arrogant an asshat as he would give a full retraction or apology, but hey, miracles do happen.

4) If anybody cares that much, there's Google.  Yes, I know that's weaksauce but I've had this argument too many times already.  It's not like they're hard to find.

5) Oh, what the hell, I had another cup of coffee, here's Dan Savage in his own words in 2011.  And here's Project Queer from 2012.

So, yeah, fark Dan Savage.
 
2013-04-28 03:11:32 AM  

Mugato: missmez: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

I'm shocked beyond belief to learn that there is a type of sexual activity you don't condone.


What did I just say? I fully condone all manner of consensual gay sex. Male gay sex is just terrifying and horrid, that's all. I don't get all pissy when gay guys criticise the hetero love. And they do.


Oh and "terrifying"? That's called "gay panic
 
2013-04-28 03:17:40 AM  

wookiee cookie: Mugato: missmez: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

I'm shocked beyond belief to learn that there is a type of sexual activity you don't condone.


What did I just say? I fully condone all manner of consensual gay sex. Male gay sex is just terrifying and horrid, that's all. I don't get all pissy when gay guys criticise the hetero love. And they do.

Oh and "terrifying"? That's called "gay panic



Right.  What is terrifying about anal sex.  I ask you. I ask all of you. Also, I've never heard a Gay "I hate vaginas" joke.  might be interesting, because I could drink that shiat.
 
2013-04-28 03:26:49 AM  

ciberido: ciberido: Sorry to be predictable, but Dan Savage IS biphobic.   And transphobic.  And a smug, arrogant, condescending asshat.  Frankly, Dan Savage is the guy that the expression "With friends like these , who needs enemies?" was made for.

rynthetyn: I'm going to have to go with a [Citation Needed] on that one because as many times as people say that, I've never seen a citation to anything that wasn't years ago and that he hasn't long since apologized for. And what he says about lots of gay people trying to convince themselves they were bi before finally accepting themselves is true, as is the fact that lots of bisexuals disappear into straight relationships and then stay firmly locked in the closet. And well, as for the trans issues, there are a lot more people than Dan Savage who had to be educated on that--heck, I watch the show "Ugly Betty" now and cringe about how much the word "tranny" is casually thrown around, but when that show was on the air it was being lauded and winning GLAAD media awards for it's portrayal of trans issues.


1) Sorry to be weaksauce, but I'm too lazy or apathetic to go hunting for a bunch of links AGAIN.  But see point 2.

2) I've had this argument in earlier Fark threads, where I claimed Dan Savage was biphobic, someone challenged me (hell, might even have been you), and I posted links to support my argument.  So if you really want my arguments, you can search for that earlier thread(s).

3) I was being a bit lazy with my verb tenses.  Dan Savage WAS AT ONE TIME biphobic.  Whether or not he still is, what retractions or clarifications he may have made since, I don't know.  Frankly, I would be surprised to find that as arrogant an asshat as he would give a full retraction or apology, but hey, miracles do happen.

4) If anybody cares that much, there's Google.  Yes, I know that's weaksauce but I've had this argument too many times already.  It's not like they're hard to find.

5) Oh, what the hell, I had another cup of coffee, here's Dan Savage in his own words in 2011.  And here's Project Queer from 2012.

So, yeah, fark Dan Savage.


Whats a dan savage?
 
2013-04-28 03:34:23 AM  

rynthetyn:  And what he says about lots of gay people trying to convince themselves they were bi before finally accepting themselves is true, as is the fact that lots of bisexuals disappear into straight relationships and then stay firmly locked in the closet.



Oh, that's what YOU think?  You're not just paraphrasing Dan Savage, you're agreeing with him here?

Look, here's some basic math.  It's really simple, but it's apparently beyond Dan Savage's capabilities, and sadly, maybe yours as well.   Let's say Jane is the textbook bisexual woman.  Jane is EXACTLY equally attracted to men and women.  So, theoretically, over the course of 10 lovers, we would expect five of Jane's lovers to be men and five of them to be women, right?  WRONG.

If you assume that roughly 10 percent of the population is gay, and if you ignore all other factors, then out of 10 lovers a bisexual woman would have, 9 of them would be men.  Basic probability.  There are other factors, sure, like that heterosexual men are more likely to hit on her than lesbians are, which would skew that number even higher.  Or, on the other hand, if she decides to "be a part of the lbgtq community," identifies publicly as bisexual, hangs out with gays, lesbians, and bisexuals, then the number might skew the other way.

But even so, the odds are better than 50-50 that any given bisexual in a long-term relationship will be with a partner of the opposite sex.  That isn't "selling out," that isn't "disappearing into straight relationships," that isn't "staying firmly locked in the closet," and it isn't some sort of evil conspiracy to rob the Big Gay Army of troops.  That's being in love and following the farking laws of probability.

And if you think that being in a happy, committed, long-term relationship with someone who just happens to have different plumbing is "disappearing into a straight relationship" or "staying firmly locked in the closet" then FARK YOU UP THE ASS with a flaming, radioactive chainsaw.   My life does not take second place to your politics.  It is not my job to refuse to be happy with someone of the opposite sex just so I can remain single to take on a same-sex partner who better suits YOUR agenda.

In fact, better idea, why don't you find your buddy Dan Savage and the two of you can use a double radioactive dildo together.
Just be sure to set it on fire before insertion, hypocrite.

/Oh, and since you are apparently dim, let me explain that last bit: see, you're a hypocrite because you're trying to tell me which sex I'm allowed to be in a relationship with.  Funny, that.  I thought that was exactly what we were supposed to be fighting AGAINST.
 
2013-04-28 03:47:36 AM  

wookiee cookie: Mugato: missmez: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

I'm shocked beyond belief to learn that there is a type of sexual activity you don't condone.


What did I just say? I fully condone all manner of consensual gay sex. Male gay sex is just terrifying and horrid, that's all. I don't get all pissy when gay guys criticise the hetero love. And they do.

It's because men have been culturally conditioned to loathe their own bodies. It's really that simple.


That's also too stupid to respond to.
 
2013-04-28 03:49:00 AM  

ciberido: rynthetyn:  And what he says about lots of gay people trying to convince themselves they were bi before finally accepting themselves is true, as is the fact that lots of bisexuals disappear into straight relationships and then stay firmly locked in the closet.


Oh, that's what YOU think?  You're not just paraphrasing Dan Savage, you're agreeing with him here?

Look, here's some basic math.  It's really simple, but it's apparently beyond Dan Savage's capabilities, and sadly, maybe yours as well.   Let's say Jane is the textbook bisexual woman.  Jane is EXACTLY equally attracted to men and women.  So, theoretically, over the course of 10 lovers, we would expect five of Jane's lovers to be men and five of them to be women, right?  WRONG.

If you assume that roughly 10 percent of the population is gay, and if you ignore all other factors, then out of 10 lovers a bisexual woman would have, 9 of them would be men.  Basic probability.  There are other factors, sure, like that heterosexual men are more likely to hit on her than lesbians are, which would skew that number even higher.  Or, on the other hand, if she decides to "be a part of the lbgtq community," identifies publicly as bisexual, hangs out with gays, lesbians, and bisexuals, then the number might skew the other way.

But even so, the odds are better than 50-50 that any given bisexual in a long-term relationship will be with a partner of the opposite sex.  That isn't "selling out," that isn't "disappearing into straight relationships," that isn't "staying firmly locked in the closet," and it isn't some sort of evil conspiracy to rob the Big Gay Army of troops.  That's being in love and following the farking laws of probability.

And if you think that being in a happy, committed, long-term relationship with someone who just happens to have different plumbing is "disappearing into a straight relationship" or "staying firmly locked in the closet" then FARK YOU UP THE ASS with a flaming, radioactive chainsaw.   My l ...


Oh my, I hate to say but I'm curiously turned on right now. Oh and yea back in the 90's when I was going to clubs and very into the gay community you didn't come out or admit you were bi, you would be shunned.
 
2013-04-28 04:02:37 AM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Right. What is terrifying about anal sex. I ask you. I ask all of you.


1) Never been at the receiving end, but I've had prostate exams and thermometers. Anything up there will either hurt like a mofo, or be extremely uncomfortable, or even if it's not bad at the time, leave a bruised feeling.

I know some people enjoy it, but for me, I don't even like to see a hetero couple do it in porn. It makes me wince. Also:

2) There's poopy up there! Did you know they're 10 trillion microbes in the human digestive tract? That about 1/3 of poo consists of them? That they include e. coli and other things that are harmful if they get into flesh or other orifices? (I've heard chicks wipe front-to-back for that reason,)

I have this debate with a gay friend. He talks about it being common to have guys who are so turned on by it that a fart's smell gets them randy. They even get 2 girls,1 cup about it. Meanwhile, I have my fingers in my ears, saying "Na na na, I can't hear you, I'm not listening, STFO."

If a woman wanted me to tap it, I guess I would -- with a condom -- but I'm not looking for it. The poontang and the mouth are just fine for me, and if I need variety, there's always her sister.

/or the gay friend
 
2013-04-28 04:06:51 AM  

ciberido: If you assume that roughly 10 percent of the population is gay, and if you ignore all other factors, then out of 10 lovers a bisexual woman would have, 9 of them would be men. Basic probability.


Know how I know you don't understand probability?
 
2013-04-28 04:08:00 AM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: wookiee cookie: Mugato: missmez: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

I'm shocked beyond belief to learn that there is a type of sexual activity you don't condone.


What did I just say? I fully condone all manner of consensual gay sex. Male gay sex is just terrifying and horrid, that's all. I don't get all pissy when gay guys criticise the hetero love. And they do.

Oh and "terrifying"? That's called "gay panic


Right.  What is terrifying about anal sex.  I ask you. I ask all of you. Also, I've never heard a Gay "I hate vaginas" joke.  might be interesting, because I could drink that shiat.


E. Coli and the smell of degradating bile, that's what I find terrifying about anal sex. And it's not a gay thing, it's an anal sex thing.

I might be ok with anal (giving or receiving, with a male or female partner) IF there's a thorough colon washing beforehand *and* a condom *and* proper lubrication *and* a proper washing immediately after the anal is over *and* it's not performed on a surface I'm going to be sleeping on. Frankly that seems like way too much effort for a little bit of prostate play and if I need it really tight, well, let's just say I've never had a pickle jar I couldn't open. Oh, all of this is in addition to my requirement of having a partner I can absolutely trust to be clean and healthy.

Say what you will about the horrors of vaginal fluid, but it's highly unlikely to give a urinary tract infection or a nasty case of gastroenteritis.

The other aspects of gay sex are totally benign, in my opinion. Who doesn't love oral? And frottage is hilarious.
 
2013-04-28 04:11:07 AM  
We're talking about a failed presidential hopeful now, aren't we.... I'm going away now.
 
2013-04-28 04:15:02 AM  

R.A.Danny: We're talking about a failed presidential hopeful now, aren't we.... I'm going away now.


No don't go away, it's only White_Scarf_Syndrome and MusicMakeMyHeadPound that seem to be thinking way too much about anal sex.
 
2013-04-28 04:18:56 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: wookiee cookie: Mugato: missmez: Mugato: I'm all for every type of gay rights there are but there's no denying natural law that lesbians are awesome and gay male sex is horrendously horrid. Now of course there are heinous lesbians, just like any combinations of couples but at the core, everyone loves girl on girl action while the other is for nightmares of prison.

I'm shocked beyond belief to learn that there is a type of sexual activity you don't condone.


What did I just say? I fully condone all manner of consensual gay sex. Male gay sex is just terrifying and horrid, that's all. I don't get all pissy when gay guys criticise the hetero love. And they do.

It's because men have been culturally conditioned to loathe their own bodies. It's really that simple.

That's also too stupid to respond to.


Seems I hit a button for you. Too bad it wasn't your love button.
 
2013-04-28 04:20:02 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: And if you think that being in a happy, committed, long-term relationship with someone who just happens to have different plumbing is "disappearing into a straight relationship" or "staying firmly locked in the closet" then FARK YOU UP THE ASS with a flaming, radioactive chainsaw..

Oh my, I hate to say but I'm curiously turned on right now.


Meet me out back with the gas can in 10 minutes.

Oh and yea back in the 90's when I was going to clubs and very into the gay community you didn't come out or admit you were bi, you would be shunned.

I've heard that (or watched Chasing Amy, at least.): the lez community looks at bi women as traitors. Though in the one case I know personally, a woman's wife showed she was bi by cheating with a man, so that might have had something to do with it.
 
2013-04-28 04:20:29 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: R.A.Danny: We're talking about a failed presidential hopeful now, aren't we.... I'm going away now.

No don't go away, it's only White_Scarf_Syndrome and MusicMakeMyHeadPound that seem to be thinking way too much about anal sex.


Well for YOU I'll stick around.
 
2013-04-28 04:27:41 AM  

gerbilpox: tinfoil-hat maggie: And if you think that being in a happy, committed, long-term relationship with someone who just happens to have different plumbing is "disappearing into a straight relationship" or "staying firmly locked in the closet" then FARK YOU UP THE ASS with a flaming, radioactive chainsaw..

Oh my, I hate to say but I'm curiously turned on right now.

Meet me out back with the gas can in 10 minutes.

Oh and yea back in the 90's when I was going to clubs and very into the gay community you didn't come out or admit you were bi, you would be shunned.

I've heard that (or watched Chasing Amy, at least.): the lez community looks at bi women as traitors. Though in the one case I know personally, a woman's wife showed she was bi by cheating with a man, so that might have had something to do with it.


The fact is most people are bi, just lots of prejudices, you'd be surprised how many supposed gay men hit on me and my friends and yea I learned the women do it to. Granted I've known lots of people that have never had opposite sex partners but that is pretty rare.
 
2013-04-28 04:29:45 AM  

R.A.Danny: tinfoil-hat maggie: R.A.Danny: We're talking about a failed presidential hopeful now, aren't we.... I'm going away now.

No don't go away, it's only White_Scarf_Syndrome and MusicMakeMyHeadPound that seem to be thinking way too much about anal sex.

Well for YOU I'll stick around.


Aw how sweet ; )
i1121.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-28 04:30:07 AM  

gerbilpox: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Right. What is terrifying about anal sex. I ask you. I ask all of you.

1) Never been at the receiving end, but I've had prostate exams and thermometers. Anything up there will either hurt like a mofo, or be extremely uncomfortable, or even if it's not bad at the time, leave a bruised feeling.

I know some people enjoy it, but for me, I don't even like to see a hetero couple do it in porn. It makes me wince. Also:

2) There's poopy up there! Did you know they're 10 trillion microbes in the human digestive tract? That about 1/3 of poo consists of them? That they include e. coli and other things that are harmful if they get into flesh or other orifices? (I've heard chicks wipe front-to-back for that reason,)

I have this debate with a gay friend. He talks about it being common to have guys who are so turned on by it that a fart's smell gets them randy. They even get 2 girls,1 cup about it. Meanwhile, I have my fingers in my ears, saying "Na na na, I can't hear you, I'm not listening, STFO."

If a woman wanted me to tap it, I guess I would -- with a condom -- but I'm not looking for it. The poontang and the mouth are just fine for me, and if I need variety, there's always her sister.

/or the gay friend


your "friend" is jaking your chain. and who doesn't wipe that way?
 
2013-04-28 04:30:40 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: R.A.Danny: tinfoil-hat maggie: R.A.Danny: We're talking about a failed presidential hopeful now, aren't we.... I'm going away now.

No don't go away, it's only White_Scarf_Syndrome and MusicMakeMyHeadPound that seem to be thinking way too much about anal sex.

Well for YOU I'll stick around.

Aw how sweet ; )
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You have my attention.
 
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