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(Daily Mail)   South Koreans play game of "Let's see if I can get everything I own in/on my car" while evacuating from North Korea   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 113
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2013-04-27 10:21:57 PM  

Befuddled: I really don't see how the North Korean situation can end other than badly as Kim Jong Un has backed himself into a corner. Maybe the Kim Jong Un is being set up, that he's going to get offed in a coup and the new leader will use that change to tack a very different and more peaceful path.


All of that intrigue isn't off base, it's just that it is not necessary. Kim Jong Butterball is *their* biatch and his uncles in the military will trot him out as needed, put him up when convenient, and make a point of him being the "big man in charge" when that serves their purposes. Lil Butterball is their biatch.
 
2013-04-27 10:22:10 PM  
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That generator is probably worth bank in Best Korea.
 
2013-04-27 10:22:51 PM  

volodya: NewportBarGuy: 100 Watt Walrus: DUDE, they sell ladders in Worst Korea too.

Leave nothing for the enemy to use. I'm pretty sure that generator would double NK's power production.

As someone who has been through many Pyongyang power outages and in North Korean towns where there is no electricity I think you are right.

[farm7.staticflickr.com image 640x427]

Candle Holder after a meal in rural North Korea.


How did you get to spend time in Best Korea?
 
2013-04-27 10:23:21 PM  
Doesn't the whole "asking for aid all the time" thing somewhat undermine their Juche philosophy?

Or are we way past the point of hypocrisy now.
 
2013-04-27 10:24:38 PM  

volodya: Candle Holder after a meal in rural North Korea.


Is that Chinese import PBR?  Chinese labels and all that...
 
2013-04-27 10:25:31 PM  

sethstorm: This would be a case where an American-sized vehicle (as opposed to a globalized or Korean one) would have had much less trouble.


Daewoo (the one with the ladders and generator) is actually a GM product. What you're looking at is a Chevy Aveo.
 
2013-04-27 10:25:51 PM  

volodya: Candle Holder after a meal in rural North Korea.


I dunno how I feel about seeing PBR in Pyongyang, but I smiled. Thanks!
 
2013-04-27 10:27:30 PM  

They have co-operative Best Korea/Worst Korea industrial complexes!??!?!?  When did THAT happen?

volodya: NewportBarGuy: 100 Watt Walrus: DUDE, they sell ladders in Worst Korea too.

Leave nothing for the enemy to use. I'm pretty sure that generator would double NK's power production.

As someone who has been through many Pyongyang power outages and in North Korean towns where there is no electricity I think you are right.

[farm7.staticflickr.com image 640x427]

Candle Holder after a meal in rural North Korea.


They have PBR in Best Korea!??!?!?

My entire world view is shattered. SHATTERED, I SAID
 
2013-04-27 10:34:17 PM  
On one level I applaud the cooperation.

On an entirely different level, I question why big money from South Korea is using skilled labour from the North part of town on the cheap. It seems like exactly the sort of thing that would prevent reunification rather than fire it up.
 
2013-04-27 10:35:34 PM  

xanadian: They have PBR in Best Korea!??!?!?

My entire world view is shattered. SHATTERED, I SAID


You know those some Koreans living in Japan? A minority of them still retain North Korean citizenship. My favorite restaurant in Japan which is near from my Japanese uncle's workplace is run by a family that still has North Korean citizenship and passports.
 
2013-04-27 10:43:45 PM  
Mitt Romney could have shown them how to transport their food out.

/i keed, i keed
 
2013-04-27 10:44:02 PM  
Whose brilliant idea was it to locate a joint venture complex IN North Korea? Wouldn't it have made more sense to put it in the South and have the Norks come to it instead of the other way around? Or were the Norks afraid their people wouldn't come back once they set foot in the South? Anyway, welcome to having your investment looted or nationalized, guys.
 
2013-04-27 10:44:47 PM  

casual disregard: On one level I applaud the cooperation.

On an entirely different level, I question why big money from South Korea is using skilled labour from the North part of town on the cheap. It seems like exactly the sort of thing that would prevent reunification rather than fire it up.


Well, the whole operation was sort of a pity move on the Souths part. It was a way to get the North involved, and give them a taste of capitalism and the outside world. I don't think that the slave labor made or broke the set up, but yes, some companies made a nice profit. I think that the hope was that this sort of thing would expand and eventually bring NK into the 20th century (yeah, I mean 20th).

NK's actions lately have been out of character. Dear Leader knew how to play the game; some threats, then finally agree to talks, make concessions, get food aid, then reneg on the agreement and start over. Little fatso does not seem to know what to do. I think that this is mostly a manufactured crisis to keep his generals busy and where he can keep an eye on them.
 
2013-04-27 10:46:59 PM  

NewportBarGuy: 100 Watt Walrus: DUDE, they sell ladders in Worst Korea too.

Leave nothing for the enemy to use. I'm pretty sure that generator would double NK's power production.


That would assume they have gasoline. Or could adapt it to run on pig shiat. Assuming they have pigs.
 
2013-04-27 10:47:58 PM  

jjorsett: That would assume they have gasoline. Or could adapt it to run on pig shiat. Assuming they have pigs


Many North Korean trucks have been modified to use woodgas.
 
2013-04-27 10:49:04 PM  

KarmicDisaster: casual disregard: On one level I applaud the cooperation.

On an entirely different level, I question why big money from South Korea is using skilled labour from the North part of town on the cheap. It seems like exactly the sort of thing that would prevent reunification rather than fire it up.

Well, the whole operation was sort of a pity move on the Souths part. It was a way to get the North involved, and give them a taste of capitalism and the outside world. I don't think that the slave labor made or broke the set up, but yes, some companies made a nice profit. I think that the hope was that this sort of thing would expand and eventually bring NK into the 20th century (yeah, I mean 20th).

NK's actions lately have been out of character. Dear Leader knew how to play the game; some threats, then finally agree to talks, make concessions, get food aid, then reneg on the agreement and start over. Little fatso does not seem to know what to do. I think that this is mostly a manufactured crisis to keep his generals busy and where he can keep an eye on them.


Apparently his aunt is directing him to keep the generals from just taking over the country, which is a concern if you are a dictator.  If you are a dictator, your "voters" are the military.
 
2013-04-27 10:51:05 PM  

jjorsett: Whose brilliant idea was it to locate a joint venture complex IN North Korea? Wouldn't it have made more sense to put it in the South and have the Norks come to it instead of the other way around? Or were the Norks afraid their people wouldn't come back once they set foot in the South? Anyway, welcome to having your investment looted or nationalized, guys.


Pretty much. That and the Norks were supplying over 50,000 workers for it.
 
2013-04-27 10:56:23 PM  

Lsherm: KarmicDisaster: casual disregard: On one level I applaud the cooperation.

On an entirely different level, I question why big money from South Korea is using skilled labour from the North part of town on the cheap. It seems like exactly the sort of thing that would prevent reunification rather than fire it up.

Well, the whole operation was sort of a pity move on the Souths part. It was a way to get the North involved, and give them a taste of capitalism and the outside world. I don't think that the slave labor made or broke the set up, but yes, some companies made a nice profit. I think that the hope was that this sort of thing would expand and eventually bring NK into the 20th century (yeah, I mean 20th).

NK's actions lately have been out of character. Dear Leader knew how to play the game; some threats, then finally agree to talks, make concessions, get food aid, then reneg on the agreement and start over. Little fatso does not seem to know what to do. I think that this is mostly a manufactured crisis to keep his generals busy and where he can keep an eye on them.

Apparently his aunt is directing him to keep the generals from just taking over the country, which is a concern if you are a dictator.  If you are a dictator, your "voters" are the military.


My suspicion is that it's finally becoming hard to keep the military fed.  They've always gotten fed first, but even that's not working now.  So you gotta keep them on high alert, as best you can, to try to keep them loyal, at least for now.  Make them feel like they need to forget about how hungry they are for now and do their duty.
 
2013-04-27 11:02:57 PM  
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2013-04-27 11:03:08 PM  
having trouble with my earthlink (no emails). can someone respond to this post please? thx
 
2013-04-27 11:03:32 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: having trouble with my earthlink (no emails). can someone respond to this post please? thx


No
 
2013-04-27 11:11:07 PM  

The Bestest: jjorsett: That would assume they have gasoline. Or could adapt it to run on pig shiat. Assuming they have pigs

Many North Korean trucks have been modified to use woodgas.


Is that new age talk for a wood burnin' stove? If it is then use real American, dagnabbit!
 
2013-04-27 11:18:05 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I've seen an entire family riding on a moped. They're some crafty farkers over there.


It's easier when you're all the size of garden gnomes.
 
2013-04-27 11:19:13 PM  

volodya: NewportBarGuy: 100 Watt Walrus: DUDE, they sell ladders in Worst Korea too.

Leave nothing for the enemy to use. I'm pretty sure that generator would double NK's power production.

As someone who has been through many Pyongyang power outages and in North Korean towns where there is no electricity I think you are right.

[farm7.staticflickr.com image 640x427]

Candle Holder after a meal in rural North Korea.


Oh god, I had forgotten how much North Korean beer sucked.  Thank you for reminding me.
 
2013-04-27 11:19:28 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: having trouble with my earthlink (no emails). can someone respond to this post please? thx

No


Thanks. Still no notification on my email, dammit.
 
2013-04-27 11:27:58 PM  
Living in San Diego, I can say that I've seen worse heading south on the 5 to Tijuana on a Friday night
 
2013-04-27 11:34:24 PM  

Talawsohu: volodya: NewportBarGuy: 100 Watt Walrus: DUDE, they sell ladders in Worst Korea too.

Leave nothing for the enemy to use. I'm pretty sure that generator would double NK's power production.

As someone who has been through many Pyongyang power outages and in North Korean towns where there is no electricity I think you are right.

[farm7.staticflickr.com image 640x427]

Candle Holder after a meal in rural North Korea.

Oh god, I had forgotten how much North Korean beer sucked.  Thank you for reminding me.


Pssh. You went to North Korea as tourists. I actually got surgery to look Korean, joined the army, and actually got to starve for 3 years. It was awesome!
 
2013-04-27 11:45:02 PM  
 To anyone who has lived in Seoul, I can tell you NORMAL traffic often looks like this. Businesses will do this to save one trip across town for the gas savings. Its pretty funny sometimes,
 Hell, they don't always even use motor vehicles. I have sat in a restaurant in Itaewon and over the course of a couple hours watched a couple of dudes on bicycles overloaded with two-meter-high bundles of textiles each make multiple runs across town and back, to carry what was less than one van load of goods, just so the shop owner could avoid using the shop van for one run. It was cheaper that way.
 
2013-04-27 11:50:12 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: scottydoesntknow: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: having trouble with my earthlink (no emails). can someone respond to this post please? thx

No

Thanks. Still no notification on my email, dammit.


I've found response e-mails to be spotty at best lately.
 
2013-04-28 12:03:53 AM  

The Bestest: sethstorm: This would be a case where an American-sized vehicle (as opposed to a globalized or Korean one) would have had much less trouble.

Daewoo (the one with the ladders and generator) is actually a GM product. What you're looking at is a Chevy Aveo.


That's the Korean side of the partnership, not the Detroit-side.  The Aveos(along with the Sonic, Cruze, Volt, and Opel rebrands) are not Detroit's doing aside from US regulatory requirements.   They represent how not to build a car for the US or who not to include in car design(read: environmentalist hippies).

All the electronic gizmos in the dash(w/r/t US versions) won't make up for the fact that it is a golfcart.
 
2013-04-28 12:06:59 AM  

KarmicDisaster: NK's actions lately have been out of character.


Maybe Little Fatty knows the best thing for his country is to lose a two hour war and accept terms, reconstruction?
 
2013-04-28 12:28:07 AM  

SweetHomeNowhere: xanadian: They have PBR in Best Korea!??!?!?

My entire world view is shattered. SHATTERED, I SAID

You know those some Koreans living in Japan? A minority of them still retain North Korean citizenship. My favorite restaurant in Japan which is near from my Japanese uncle's workplace is run by a family that still has North Korean citizenship and passports.


My karate coach is a Korean-Japanese who went to one of the NK-affiliated schools in Japan as I understand.  I never heard him talk about it though.  You know how Japan goes though, born in Japan or not Koreans are pretty much in One Drop Rule territory.
 
2013-04-28 12:44:31 AM  
They were stealing shiat from the NK factory.

Seriously, how sad is it when you're stealing from NK?  That's like mugging a homeless guy living under a bridge for his empty begging cup.
 
2013-04-28 12:48:03 AM  
These evacuees don't appear to be carrying personal possessions or factory-made products. Looks more like the directive said "We're shutting the entire complex down. Permanently and right now. Take EVERYTHING that's not nailed down (unless you can pull up the nails), and don't leave anything behind for the enemy."

Porky's attempts to pull the same-old "threat/retreat/food aid" game aren't working, and as posters have said above, he's effectively killed off any chance of outside investment in that country. Things are already awful. Now they're going to get even worse.
 
2013-04-28 12:50:37 AM  
Knew I shouldnt have sold the H2 for a Smart four 2
 
2013-04-28 01:12:16 AM  

Emposter: They were stealing shiat from the NK factory.

Seriously, how sad is it when you're stealing from NK?  That's like mugging a homeless guy living under a bridge for his empty begging cup.


It was their stuff.  They let the homeless guy use their cup out of pity, and the then homeless guy pissed on them and threatened their lives.

Fark that crazy homeless guy.
 
2013-04-28 01:14:20 AM  
They were clearly told by their bosses to bring back every last bit of inventory they possibly can.  I'm sure to sell it off and try to recoup as much of their losses from Daesong being shut down as possible.  And also as a nice "Fark you" to the DPRK-- no seizure of useful supplies for you, Fatty.
 
2013-04-28 01:19:31 AM  

SweetHomeNowhere: xanadian: They have PBR in Best Korea!??!?!?

My entire world view is shattered. SHATTERED, I SAID

You know those some Koreans living in Japan? A minority of them still retain North Korean citizenship. My favorite restaurant in Japan which is near from my Japanese uncle's workplace is run by a family that still has North Korean citizenship and passports.


Yeah I used to live near a NK-affiliated high school in Tokyo.  I also know some NK-background people in the US (via Japan of course, but they since married and became US citizens).
 
2013-04-28 01:37:56 AM  

spamdog: Doesn't the whole "asking for aid all the time" thing somewhat undermine their Juche philosophy?

Or are we way past the point of hypocrisy now.


They aren't asking for aid. They are demanding war reparations.
 
2013-04-28 01:38:29 AM  
The proud Mexicans of the Orient.
 
2013-04-28 02:16:52 AM  

itazurakko: Yeah I used to live near a NK-affiliated high school in Tokyo.  I also know some NK-background people in the US (via Japan of course, but they since married and became US citizens).


Tokyoite, eh? My Japanese relatives are almost all from the Choubu region. My great-grandmother was a Roman Catholic Korean from Busan. Surprisingly my Korean is better than my Japanese. It disturbs me that the South Korea-based Unification Church has so much influence in the USA as well as running a gigantic automobile business in North Korea. If you love conspiracy theories, here's a thing about Japan and Korea.

/former US citizen, now a Canadian
 
2013-04-28 02:29:12 AM  

The Bestest: jjorsett: That would assume they have gasoline. Or could adapt it to run on pig shiat. Assuming they have pigs

Many North Korean trucks have been modified to use woodgas.


Doesn't help much in the many areas that have become barren wastelands. Wood gas only works when there are trees.
 
2013-04-28 02:38:01 AM  

Emposter: They were stealing shiat from the NK factory.


The factory might be in NK but the goods they're making belong to South Korean companies. The Kaesong complex is a sort of bastardized near-shore operation where North Koreans can work for hard currency while South Korean companies benefit from the cheap North Korean labor. The stuff these South Korean people are taking belongs to the South Korean companies.
 
2013-04-28 03:00:14 AM  

sendtodave: Emposter: They were stealing shiat from the NK factory.

Seriously, how sad is it when you're stealing from NK?  That's like mugging a homeless guy living under a bridge for his empty begging cup.

It was their stuff.  They let the homeless guy use their cup out of pity, and the then homeless guy pissed on them and threatened their lives.

Fark that crazy homeless guy.


Nope, that's not the narrative. The narrative is that non-democratic governments are always the victim, so the Kaesong zone was never a money maker for Best Korea or even a joint venture, but a murderous slave plantation Hyundai secretly created out of a mystical financial enchantment, which heroic Kim Jong Un has finally broken, and now is nationalizing the whole area by force to rescue his people from the travesty of being forced to do work they don't want to do, just because they want to be fed.

/instead they'll be forced to do work they don't want to do without being fed, out of pure love for their leaders, like all true socialists do
//hey, it works for Cuba... to this day people blame the ruthless economic policies of US corporations for Castro's seizure of their property
///and Ecuador, and Venezuela, and Zimbabwe, and Iran, and Vietnam, and...
 
2013-04-28 03:55:09 AM  
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2013-04-28 03:59:01 AM  

scottydoesntknow: traylor: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x413]

This (and most of the other ways of transportation pictured) would result in a suspension of driving license in European countries. You have to be on drugs the precipice of war to drive a car stuffed like that. WTF.

Wouldn't be surprised if that's actually illegal in S. Korea too, but they just don't care at this moment.


I suspect they're driving a short distance to just across the border and then transferring everything to trucks. I'd assume that their employers or the government is helping them as best they can, but neither can bring additional vehicles right to their door.
 
2013-04-28 04:04:45 AM  

pjc51: scottydoesntknow: traylor: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x413]

This (and most of the other ways of transportation pictured) would result in a suspension of driving license in European countries. You have to be on drugs the precipice of war to drive a car stuffed like that. WTF.

Wouldn't be surprised if that's actually illegal in S. Korea too, but they just don't care at this moment.

I suspect they're driving a short distance to just across the border and then transferring everything to trucks. I'd assume that their employers or the government is helping them as best they can, but neither can bring additional vehicles right to their door.


Probably the case. The whole issue is that North Korea isn't allowing anything new to enter (yanno, like food or medicine) but are ever so graciously allowing the remaining South Korean workers to leave. The companies with interests in Kaesong were trying to encourage them to stay as long as they could since the South Koreans leaving would very likely lead to a DPRK seizure.
 
2013-04-28 04:43:25 AM  

SweetHomeNowhere:  If you love conspiracy theories, here's a thing about Japan and Korea.


Can I get the gist? I don't really want to sit through the whole thing. lol
 
2013-04-28 06:01:42 AM  
Pfft.  You see that every day in every major city in South Korea.
 
2013-04-28 06:59:35 AM  
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