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2013-04-27 10:19:16 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: If high schools existed in their own microcosm, sure....start at 10 AM

However...
In a lot of places, there is one set of buses and drivers. Rotating between elem, middle, high.
So we can either have the 15 year old waiting for the bus in the dark at 7 AM, or the 7 year old.

/get yer narrow ass outta bed!


Does anyone take the bus anymore?  It seems everyone drops off their kids.
 
2013-04-27 10:21:16 PM  
In my area, and when I was a kid, high schoolers started at 7:15.

This is retarded. Let's face a little reality here, huh?
 
2013-04-27 10:21:43 PM  

mikefinch: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Feral_and_Preposterous: So go to sleep earlier?

Am I crazy here in that I cannot fall asleep until my body tells me it's sleep time?

I'm tired right now, and yet, if I got into bed and filled the room with soothing white noise, I would not fall asleep until my body said "Yep, you're exhausted now. Godspeed." I'm not a person who can just "go to sleep earlier." It's mind-blowing to me that other people can do that on any level. My body sleeps when it wants to, be it at two in the afternoon or four in the morning.

So much this -- i cant fall asleep till like 2AM usually. Its just how my body works. My sister chides me all the time and says 'have you tried just turning off the lights and closing your eyes?'

Yeah -- and it results in 3 hours staring into the dark while my mind tries to find new ways to make me feel bad about myself or make me feel foolish about my day. Honeslty -- its like a 1 way ticket to rumination land.



Oh, my G-d, THIS!  My husband can shut his eyes anywhere, anytime and fall asleep.  I, on the other hand, can't fall asleep before 2am, no matter what.
 
2013-04-27 10:23:10 PM  

FizixJunkee: YouPeopleAreCrazy: If high schools existed in their own microcosm, sure....start at 10 AM

However...
In a lot of places, there is one set of buses and drivers. Rotating between elem, middle, high.
So we can either have the 15 year old waiting for the bus in the dark at 7 AM, or the 7 year old.

/get yer narrow ass outta bed!

Does anyone take the bus anymore?  It seems everyone drops off their kids.


Based on the number of times I end up behind them going to and from work, yes kids are still taking the bus.

/I hate being awake that early too kids, but hurry your ass up!
 
2013-04-27 10:26:23 PM  
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2013-04-27 10:30:05 PM  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_sleep_phase_disorder

This is extremely common in teenagers.

Why my 2nd grader starts her school day at 9am, while high school starts at 7:30, it is crazy, and totally backwards.   My daughter is up at 6:30am as it is now, and I know she'll not want to wake up until 8am when she is 16.
 
2013-04-27 10:34:34 PM  
This is... news to some people.

There are a few people (hi) who did better in the Period 1 and 0 classes, but I've *always* been at my best about 30 to 45 minutes after I wake up. This is weird and unusual.

But even today, I cannot 'make' myself go to sleep (without a heavy infusion of alcoholism). I do nto sleep until my body is exhausted, and even then my brain likes to go full speed.

Just laying in bed with teh covers on and the lights off has always meant I lay there bored out of my gourd for hours, and I've slapped myself for suggesting it to my cousin (He's 18/19 now).
 
2013-04-27 10:36:56 PM  
Oh noes! You have to get up and do something you don't want to do at a time you don't want to do it! Horrible! Bed time is 9pm. Every night. Go. Don't you dare try and make me tell you to get out of bed. You'll do it yourself or you'll be dropped off at school in your pajamas and have a shiat load of house cleaning to do when you get home.

/ITP
 
2013-04-27 10:37:29 PM  
I always love the backlash to these kinds of proposals.

We have people who have no problem keeping 18-20 year olds from buying alcohol and denying people under 18 the ability to make some of the most basic decisions, all based on neurology or some study related to it.

BUT, the moment a study comes out and says that same neurological development also calls for them to get more sleep or possibly keep moderately different hours, all of a sudden it's all bullshiat and if adults can handle it, so can teens.

Well, which is it?  Does the neurology or neurological development of teens matter or not?  It can't be just a way to deprive them of rights and privileges, can it?  Can teens not be temporarily cut some slack due to their supposed developing neurology?

I also love the quality of some of the neurological studies.  My favorite is the one Discovery magazine did many years ago testing "adolescent" rats.  They pumped these poor creatures with the equivalent of 20 beers in an hour every day for two weeks, then sobered them up for a week and had them run mazes with 'adult' rats.  Then they got both sets drunk and found that the adult rats did better at the mazes.  Well, I'm convinced.
Other studies are based on teen vs adult perception of a facial expressions.  Because the teens reported different things, they were said to be deficient in understanding the world due to an underdeveloped brain.
It's almost like phrenology  at some point.
 
2013-04-27 10:42:06 PM  

Summercat: This is... news to some people.

There are a few people (hi) who did better in the Period 1 and 0 classes, but I've *always* been at my best about 30 to 45 minutes after I wake up. This is weird and unusual.

But even today, I cannot 'make' myself go to sleep (without a heavy infusion of alcoholism). I do nto sleep until my body is exhausted, and even then my brain likes to go full speed.

Just laying in bed with teh covers on and the lights off has always meant I lay there bored out of my gourd for hours, and I've slapped myself for suggesting it to my cousin (He's 18/19 now).


I've always found the best way to fall asleep is to turn on some kind of TV or movie. It's gotta be something you've seen before. I've got Futurama, The Simpsons, and American Dad on a playlist on my laptop and just set it to play. I've seen every episode, but it gives my brain something to focus on without having to actually stay alert because I've already seen it. Just install a sleep timer so your computer will turn off (or use the one on the TV). I'm usually out within 10-20 minutes and have to fight if I want to stay up and watch the episode. Whereas it can take a couple hours if I'm just sitting in silence.
 
2013-04-27 10:46:46 PM  

pedrop357: We have people who have no problem keeping 18-20 year olds from buying alcohol and denying people under 18 the ability to make some of the most basic decisions, all based on neurology or some study related to it


No, it's not biology or neurology.  It's because kids are stupid.
This is the same.  Get your butt out of bed like everyone before you did.  You're not doing poorly because you're tired, you fail because you're dumb.

\school started at 06:30.
\\Work starts at 05:30.
\\\You'll get over it.
 
2013-04-27 10:50:44 PM  

Bedstead Polisher: Can I start work an hour and a half later too? I also need my sleep.


Does your job start at 7:00? My high school certainly did.
 
2013-04-27 10:55:09 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Summercat: This is... news to some people.

There are a few people (hi) who did better in the Period 1 and 0 classes, but I've *always* been at my best about 30 to 45 minutes after I wake up. This is weird and unusual.

But even today, I cannot 'make' myself go to sleep (without a heavy infusion of alcoholism). I do nto sleep until my body is exhausted, and even then my brain likes to go full speed.

Just laying in bed with teh covers on and the lights off has always meant I lay there bored out of my gourd for hours, and I've slapped myself for suggesting it to my cousin (He's 18/19 now).

I've always found the best way to fall asleep is to turn on some kind of TV or movie. It's gotta be something you've seen before. I've got Futurama, The Simpsons, and American Dad on a playlist on my laptop and just set it to play. I've seen every episode, but it gives my brain something to focus on without having to actually stay alert because I've already seen it. Just install a sleep timer so your computer will turn off (or use the one on the TV). I'm usually out within 10-20 minutes and have to fight if I want to stay up and watch the episode. Whereas it can take a couple hours if I'm just sitting in silence.


Doesn't work for me - that'll engage my mind, and after years of 'training' for it, I can force myself to stay awake if need be.

What does help? Sudoku. Srsly, Sudoku on my phone, I'm solving a hard puzzle, and then pass out.
 
2013-04-27 10:55:56 PM  

diaphoresis: Why bother with school.. Obama killed our economy.. just be welfare addicts...


10/10
 
2013-04-27 10:56:40 PM  

gadian: Oh noes! You have to get up and do something you don't want to do at a time you don't want to do it! Horrible! Bed time is 9pm. Every night. Go. Don't you dare try and make me tell you to get out of bed. You'll do it yourself or you'll be dropped off at school in your pajamas and have a shiat load of house cleaning to do when you get home.

/ITP


Because enforcing a stupid paradigm that we have scientifically determined is inefficient is more important than educating children as efficiently and effectively as possible?
 
2013-04-27 10:57:04 PM  

meanmutton: Bedstead Polisher: Can I start work an hour and a half later too? I also need my sleep.

Does your job start at 7:00? My high school certainly did.


So did mine.  Mine was Catholic, so the bus routes were earlier so the public school kids could start later.  No one complained.
 
2013-04-27 10:59:36 PM  

dletter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_sleep_phase_disorder

This is extremely common in teenagers.

Why my 2nd grader starts her school day at 9am, while high school starts at 7:30, it is crazy, and totally backwards.   My daughter is up at 6:30am as it is now, and I know she'll not want to wake up until 8am when she is 16.


Eh, I think I love you for linking that Wiki entry, which led me to one about Non-24-hour sleep-wake disorder, which I almost assuredly have. I've explained my symptoms to numerous doctors, and none of them had any answers. Non-24-hour sleep-wake disorder is it.
 
2013-04-27 11:00:34 PM  
Heres a crazy idea. Make the little #$%^&&* go to bed earlier.
 
2013-04-27 11:03:31 PM  
Summercat:

Doesn't work for me - that'll engage my mind, and after years of 'training' for it, I can force myself to stay awake if need be.

What does help? Sudoku. Srsly, Sudoku on my phone, I'm solving a hard puzzle, and then pass out.


I hear ya. For me, it takes Bejeweled (or the free equivalent).
 
2013-04-27 11:03:40 PM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: So go to sleep earlier?


CSS, my sister goes to bed at 7 pm so she can be at work at 4 in the morning.
Props to anyone in the same boat.  It's doable but it causes a lot of inconveniences, like being less able to schedule social time with friends.
 
2013-04-27 11:08:20 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: dletter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_sleep_phase_disorder

This is extremely common in teenagers.

Why my 2nd grader starts her school day at 9am, while high school starts at 7:30, it is crazy, and totally backwards.   My daughter is up at 6:30am as it is now, and I know she'll not want to wake up until 8am when she is 16.

Eh, I think I love you for linking that Wiki entry, which led me to one about Non-24-hour sleep-wake disorder, which I almost assuredly have. I've explained my symptoms to numerous doctors, and none of them had any answers. Non-24-hour sleep-wake disorder is it.


Holy... This explains a few things.
 
2013-04-27 11:13:31 PM  

stuffy: Heres a crazy idea. Make the little #$%^&&* go to bed earlier.


Some of us are biologically incapable of going to bed earlier. If you have a normal eating schedule, imagine that someone told you the solution to your problem was to simply eat dinner earlier, regardless of whether you were hungry or not.

How much would you be able to eat when every internal feedback mechanism your body was saying that you weren't even hungry, so stop eating?
 
2013-04-27 11:15:10 PM  

stuffy: Heres a crazy idea. Make the little #$%^&&* go to bed earlier.


The other half of "teen sleep disorder" is that they can't do that. They have to stay up late and get up late.

We've already tried making them conform to an early schedule; the later schedule helps them learn better. The current system is good for "learnin' them just who is boss around here" but not good for learnin' in general.
 
2013-04-27 11:16:35 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: I've read about a couple of high schools that tried starting classes 90 minutes later.  Student performance improved.


Yep.... want to help the academic performance of a failing urban school..... move the start time to 9am, serve a healthy breakfast and lunch, install HEPA filters for the school's HVAC system, and have ample natural sunlight or full-spectrum lights (with a little UV) in every classroom. These changes won't turn the place around but they will get the needle moving in the right direction and are cheaper than improve teacher quality.
 
2013-04-27 11:16:36 PM  

ds615: pedrop357: We have people who have no problem keeping 18-20 year olds from buying alcohol and denying people under 18 the ability to make some of the most basic decisions, all based on neurology or some study related to it

No, it's not biology or neurology.  It's because kids are stupid.
This is the same.  Get your butt out of bed like everyone before you did.  You're not doing poorly because you're tired, you fail because you're dumb.

\school started at 06:30.
\\Work starts at 05:30.
\\\You'll get over it.


My job starts at 8a.  I would have to be paid A LOT more to have a 5:30a start time.
 
2013-04-27 11:18:08 PM  

Christian Bale: stuffy: Heres a crazy idea. Make the little #$%^&&* go to bed earlier.

The other half of "teen sleep disorder" is that they can't do that. They have to stay up late and get up late.

We've already tried making them conform to an early schedule; the later schedule helps them learn better. The current system is good for "learnin' them just who is boss around here" but not good for learnin' in general.


Unless your goal is to ensure a whole batch of kids don't learn much except they hate school. Which forcing them to go to sleep when they're not tired and making them go to school when they're sleepy is excellent for.
 
2013-04-27 11:23:16 PM  

mikefinch: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Feral_and_Preposterous: So go to sleep earlier?

Am I crazy here in that I cannot fall asleep until my body tells me it's sleep time?

I'm tired right now, and yet, if I got into bed and filled the room with soothing white noise, I would not fall asleep until my body said "Yep, you're exhausted now. Godspeed." I'm not a person who can just "go to sleep earlier." It's mind-blowing to me that other people can do that on any level. My body sleeps when it wants to, be it at two in the afternoon or four in the morning.

So much this -- i cant fall asleep till like 2AM usually. Its just how my body works. My sister chides me all the time and says 'have you tried just turning off the lights and closing your eyes?'

Yeah -- and it results in 3 hours staring into the dark while my mind tries to find new ways to make me feel bad about myself or make me feel foolish about my day. Honeslty -- its like a 1 way ticket to rumination land.

Every time someone suggests just going to bed earlier i want to punch them right in the crotch.

I had a 1 hour bus ride to school and it dropped me off first so it was a 5:30-6 AM wake up for me. Try telling a teenager to go to bed at 10pm. Find a teenager that COULD go to bed at 10pm.


Yup. I'm still convinced that lack of sleep caused me to be shorter than my dad or brother. There was some research about teenage sleep and height.
 
2013-04-27 11:27:57 PM  

Cyno01: Feral_and_Preposterous: So go to sleep earlier?

Circadian rhythm.


Mine seems to be running on Hawaiian time...
 
2013-04-27 11:29:58 PM  

pedrop357: My job starts at 8a. I would have to be paid A LOT more to have a 5:30a start time.


Bad economy. You just lost your job. Another one comes along paying the same after you have exhausted your savings but you have to get up earlier.

You were saying?
 
2013-04-27 11:32:30 PM  
I'm weird.  I can go to bed just about any hour of the night/morning, and get up when I need to, without setting an alarm.  For example, when I was in college, I didn't like late classes, so I took the classes early in the morning, so invariably my first class of the day would start at 8:30 a.m.  I like to give myself at least 2 hrs to get my shiat together and get going, so I'd get up at 6:30 every morning, even if I went to bed at 3 a.m.  I wouldn't need an alarm either, I would naturally wake up about 6 a.m. or so, and just lay there for half an hour.  Used to drive my boyfriend crazy, because he's the exact opposite of me, and preferred the later classes because he doesn't do mornings, then or now.

All throughout high school, I had to get up at 6 o'clock to be in school, at my desk by 8 o'clock when my homeroom teacher took attendance.  I went to private school, so we weren't bused; you had to either get a ride, drive yourself if you were old enough, or take public transportation, and while the city buses in Chicago are fairly reliable, you don't want to be nervously checking your watch or cell phone praying one shows up on time.  This is especially true in the winter when there can be hellish delays, depending on how paved the streets are.  Seeing as I had to get up at 6 a.m. every day, I usually went to bed about 9:30, 1o:oo.  It didn't bother me to go to bed that early or get up that early in the morning; it's a fact of life.  You get up early to go to school.  Get over it.  I got my own ass up, my parents didn't need to go in there and wake me up.
 
2013-04-27 11:33:40 PM  

Kiwimann: Classes should start at a reasonable time.

7:30 am is not reasonable.


7:30 will be a reasonable time for them to show up for work. If not earlier. Get used to it toots.
 
2013-04-27 11:36:33 PM  
I remember I was always tired as a teenager.
 
2013-04-27 11:38:47 PM  

dletter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_sleep_phase_disorder

This is extremely common in teenagers.

Why my 2nd grader starts her school day at 9am, while high school starts at 7:30, it is crazy, and totally backwards.   My daughter is up at 6:30am as it is now, and I know she'll not want to wake up until 8am when she is 16.


Yup. It kicked in hard for me as a teenager, so I was staying up until two or three am and being forced awake before seven. It will surprise no one that I was barely functioning on that schedule and the lack of sleep lead to some incredibly bad depression and my grades fell. Rather than recognizing my sleep had something to do with it, the doctor diagnosed me with ADHD and prescribed me amphetamines.

It took a really long time to get my head on straight after that, and I had to do a lot of research on my own to figure out what the hell was wrong with me.
 
2013-04-27 11:43:28 PM  
My oldest goes to a magnet high school that starts at 9 in the morning and ends at 4. She's much more cheerful about high school than she ever was about middle school, which started at 7:45 am. She does better with harder subjects and doesn't take naps when she comes home like she used to in middle school.

/yeah, yeah, a sample of one
 
2013-04-27 11:45:34 PM  

WTFDYW: Kiwimann: Classes should start at a reasonable time.

7:30 am is not reasonable.

7:30 will be a reasonable time for them to show up for work. If not earlier. Get used to it toots.


This may surprise you, but there are lot of jobs that don't start at 7:30am.

Also, our society has seen fit to to deny various rights and privileges to people under 18/21 based on questionable neurology studies.  It's only fair and/or right that we allow them to wake up a little later based on those same studies.
Unless those studies are bullshiat, in which case we may want to reexamine this idea of forbidding teens the option to leave school and pursue other interests just like adults can.
 
2013-04-27 11:46:42 PM  
First bell at my high school was 7:10 am.
It took 20 minutes to walk to school.
So, we had to exit the house at around 6:50 am
Meaning we had to get up around 6:20-6:30 am

// Fast forward to now, I get to work around 9:30am (except for that one damn day that I have an 8:00am conf cal with India)
// I used to get to work at 6:00am (to avoid traffic) but the morning traffic picked up to the point where it just wasn't worth it anymore.
// Now I go in for around 9:30 and leave around 6:30 (or later if the traffic is still high).
// left work around 9:00 once due to a county wide blackout making driving an effort in futility. Plus my wifi still worked thanks to the generators.
 
2013-04-27 11:51:19 PM  

WTFDYW: Kiwimann: Classes should start at a reasonable time.

7:30 am is not reasonable.

7:30 will be a reasonable time for them to show up for work. If not earlier. Get used to it toots.


Or get a college degree and don't, toots.

<--- rolls his engineer ass into work between 9am and 10am.
 
2013-04-27 11:53:05 PM  

CruJones: I've changed what time I wake up multiple times. it takes time, but eventually if you have to get up earlier, I naturally start falling asleep earlier. And after a while it's my new normal. And I have horrible sleep issues. Napping (while awesome) is the biggest enemy of a decent bedtime.


Actually for me its different -- my schedule changes depending on the season. In the winter i hibernate like a bear. My sleep schedule goes haywire and i'm a huge night owl. During the summers I wake up earlier and i go to bed earlier.

My job requires me to radio in weather every day without miss at 7AM -- so im in bed around midnight and i get up at 645 to do weather and calculations and then i make a snack and stretch and go back to bed for an hour. Then i'm perfect for the day. It sucks not being able to sleep in for even a single day but the quick nap in the morning is pretty keen. Napping on the job... i can make my own schedule regarding certain ways i do my day and as long as I nap near my radio and phone so people can contact me i'm free to do that.

The get up and do a few things than set a timer for an hour long nap works perfect for me. Even if its just an hour to slowly let my body come to. Sometimes when i wake up before i'm 'ready' my body goes into a panic attack.

I dont feel panicky or have anything to panic about but i just feel like im in shock or something. I need time to come out of sleep. I am so not a morning person.
 
2013-04-27 11:58:38 PM  
In all seriousness though, when the article is about sleep needs of teenagers, why do we get a bunch of anecdotal evidence from adults about their sleep patterns as adults?

You don't need to "practice" getting up for work at 7:30 as a teenager, as you age that just becomes easier to do on its own.
 
2013-04-27 11:59:10 PM  
ITT: Old, bitter geezers who won't entertain a possibly better solution to a problem simply because they had to suffer when they were young. A shame you can't all die already.
 
2013-04-28 12:00:39 AM  

pedrop357: ds615: pedrop357: We have people who have no problem keeping 18-20 year olds from buying alcohol and denying people under 18 the ability to make some of the most basic decisions, all based on neurology or some study related to it

No, it's not biology or neurology.  It's because kids are stupid.
This is the same.  Get your butt out of bed like everyone before you did.  You're not doing poorly because you're tired, you fail because you're dumb.

\school started at 06:30.
\\Work starts at 05:30.
\\\You'll get over it.

My job starts at 8a.  I would have to be paid A LOT more to have a 5:30a start time.


I did it for a summer during college.  It's actually really nice.  5:30 start time means 2:00 off time, which means that by 3:00, you're basically ready to do whatever you're doing that evening and you can beat the rush.  You're going to bed by 8:00, but I much prefer it to my current schedule, where I wake up at 9, show up at 10, and get off at 8:00 or later.  It's just way easier to run errands and do things (plus you never have to deal with traffic unless your city really, really hates infrastructure spending*).

The only thing is that it HAS to be physical.  If you want me to get up at 5 AM and then sit in a chair, I'll basically nap until 10:00, and then start working.  If I'm running a couple miles doing hard labor, and getting the blood flowing, I'll be totally fine.

*On a related note, why does every West Coast city (plus Chicago) hate infrastructure spending?  Every single one has rush hour start at like 3:00 and go until 9:00.  I got caught in bumper to bumper traffic at 8:30 last night where it took me 30 minutes to go 3 miles.

/Of course, if given a chance, I'll naturally go to bed at 6 AM and sleep in until noon or later.  That's been the case ever since one of my college professors made all his projects due at 9 AM.
 
2013-04-28 12:04:59 AM  

Counter_Intelligent: ITT: Old, bitter geezers who won't entertain a possibly better solution to a problem simply because they had to suffer when they were young. A shame you can't all die already.


Some of them are my age, and highschool was just 10 years ago for me D:

/I don't think I'm liked by my school, nothing coming up about Reunion has been mentioned to me.

//Good, because I didn't like most of the people there.
 
2013-04-28 12:18:55 AM  

EngineerAU: Humans naturally develop a different sleep cycle when entering the teenage years. Given all the other changes happening to the body during that period, this shouldn't be too much of a surprise.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-teenage-mind/201202/sleepy-t ee ns


Yeah, all the literature says that teenagers are running a different clock.  Of course the issue is that mom and day want the 16 year hold by the time the 8 year old gets home at 3:30, that way they don't need to handle child care.
 
2013-04-28 12:31:11 AM  

Kiwimann: WTFDYW: Kiwimann: Classes should start at a reasonable time.

7:30 am is not reasonable.

7:30 will be a reasonable time for them to show up for work. If not earlier. Get used to it toots.

Or get a college degree and don't, toots.

<--- rolls his engineer ass into work between 9am and 10am.


This. 7:30 is farmer/ 7/11 McD worker time.
 
2013-04-28 12:35:48 AM  
...my day...uphill...in snow...both ways...
 
2013-04-28 12:40:51 AM  
ITT:

Authoritarians AKA Morning People disparage "lazy" Night people for having a circadian rhythm different than their own.

My job starts at 7:30, even though I spend most of my time working with suppliers on the west coast and I am in the eastern time zone. All because our plant manager is a morning person and wants all salaried people to follow the same hours as 1st shift line workers.
 
2013-04-28 12:43:02 AM  
Let them sleep in till noon, then go to school until 8 pm.

That will keep those damn kids off my lawn.
 
2013-04-28 12:45:21 AM  
"I can't go to sleep earlier!"

Bull. That's a sign you don't do enough during a day. It's easy as hell to reset your clock so long as you don't waste your day guzzling dew and sitting on your ass.
 
2013-04-28 12:51:47 AM  
Try a good want before
 
2013-04-28 12:56:30 AM  

Terrible Old Man: "I can't go to sleep earlier!"

Bull. That's a sign you don't do enough during a day. It's easy as hell to reset your clock so long as you don't waste your day guzzling dew and sitting on your ass.


No, it may be a sign that we are smarter than you.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/20 10 05/why-night-owls-are-more-intelligent-morning-larks
 
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