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(Some Angry Doctor)   Not news: CPS removes a baby from his parents. News: After the parents sought a second opinion from another hospital and the first hospital called the cops. SCARY: Subette is scheduled to have her baby at the same hospital   (thehealthyhomeeconomist.com) divider line 71
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2013-04-27 05:41:14 PM
9 votes:
That's a suin'.
2013-04-27 02:03:13 PM
6 votes:
Seriously it's as though you're psychic, lady. I'm subby. WHAT THE EFF. And I have a medical background too. If I'm not comfortable with the level of care my kiddo is getting, I would do the same thing.
Of course I'd probably make them sign a waiver saying I'm allowed to leave AMA in the interest of my own child before I did.
2013-04-28 03:23:16 PM
5 votes:
This story is sad for the parents, but I'm honestly a little baffled at the irresponsibility of this writer actually suggesting you shouldn't take your sick children to the hospital. That is a dangerous and reckless thing to encourage... not all hospitals are such arseholes so for the love of god people TAKE YOUR SICK CHILDREN TO THE HOSPITAL.
2013-04-28 12:09:04 PM
5 votes:
Go to another hospital and make sure you inform  Sutter of the reason why.
2013-04-27 01:58:01 PM
5 votes:
Wow, that's horse shiat. They got a second opinion that they could take a baby home from another hospital. Its not like they took the baby home without having medical professionals look after him. Doctors don't like being questioned at all apparently. I thought good doctors would encourage second opinions.
2013-04-28 03:15:22 PM
4 votes:
Sue the hospital and police, get a large settlement and ensure they can't afford to do it again.
2013-04-28 01:53:01 PM
4 votes:
So, don't be a biatch and you'll be fine.


Thamike posted a better, clearer version of the story.

All in all, a farked up story. I hope the doctor throwing the hissy fit gets his license stripped, and others who farked up here gets kicked in the balls.

Who am I kidding. That won't happen.
2013-04-28 01:41:40 PM
4 votes:

thamike: I'd bet money that the root of it all is a low-end hospital admin with an attitude problem.


If that's the case, they need a'prosecutin'.   Sadly, there will likely be no repercussions for the asshat who caused this

From your link "She called us back and said we can have this visit at 6 o'clock without any video camera in the room, without taking any pictures," Anna said, describing her conversation with CPS.

Really?  What the hell?  Why would they care if they took pictures OF THEIR OWN CHILD?

Seriously, to hell with CPS.
2013-04-28 01:35:17 PM
4 votes:

kiwimoogle84: Speaker2Animals: I'd like to see something about this in some legitimate media outlet before I believe it.


If you click on the video it takes you to ABC news. This is legit.


Here's an update for clarification. Sounds like a big misunderstanding that will get fixed tomorrow.  I'd bet money that the root of it all is a low-end hospital admin with an attitude problem.
2013-04-27 05:56:26 PM
4 votes:
Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid

Actually it is Sacramento County since they are in charge of CPS, the county is quite conservative like the rest of the Central Valley, to get the libby libs you have to go at least over to Solano County for that
2013-04-27 02:21:44 PM
4 votes:
Just watched the video. They threw him down, took his keys and let themselves in?! Poor bastard probably thought he left that shiat behind in his native country. Sorry, friend. We have let you down.
2013-04-27 02:13:01 PM
4 votes:
I wouldn't blow the pop stand without signing out, but I kind of doubt that they would have cared either way, it sounds like they had a massive case of butthurt when they left.

Its kind of scary that Sutter started talking heart surgery after having the kid two weeks and Kaiser was OK with them taking baby home. Something seems weird about that!
2013-04-28 10:25:57 PM
3 votes:

Fissile: As for those of you dumping on CPS, you don't know what the doctors at the hospital told them.


Oddly enough, that could have been easily remedied if they'd listened to the SECOND OPINION that was freely f*cking available to them.
2013-04-28 04:35:22 PM
3 votes:

Guairdean: Subbette is right to be concerned. Several years ago there was a story about a woman that objected to a planned cesarean. The doctor scheduled the procedure because it fit his schedule, not because it was medically necessary. In order to avoid unnecessary surgery, the woman left town and spent the last few weeks with her mother. She had a normal delivery there (new doctor and hospital) and returned home to find that her original doctor had gone to court and had her declared mentally incompetent. A court order was waiting to force her to have a cesarean. Doctors often put their golf game ahead of patient safety, and hospitals often put their profit margin above all else.


Her name was Amber Marlowe and the provider was Wilkes-Barre General. You can thank me for doing your homework for you later, in the meantime, I'll just point out that there have also been numerous cases of idiots resisting the advice of doctors and killing their newborns. Midwives and junkies tend to be the biggest offenders on this front.

Should a doctor be able to forcibly compel a crackhead to undergo necessary surgery to save her babies when the crackhead refuses?
2013-04-28 03:23:26 PM
3 votes:

FrancoFile: I'm reading that whole thing with a 10 pound block of salt.  TFA is from a "Traditional Cultures nutrition" anti-doctor website.


under "sources" they show the abc news article they plagiarized
http://www.news10.net/news/article/242734/2/Couple-fights-to-get-bab y- back-from-CPS-police
2013-04-28 03:21:53 PM
3 votes:

Speaker2Animals: I'd like to see something about this in some legitimate media outlet before I believe it.


It was on News10, our local ABC affiliate, and their reporting is generally quite good.
2013-04-28 02:18:14 PM
3 votes:
Switch hospitals and be sure to tell Sutter why, like the guy said above. Tell your OB why as well.

Somewhere within a mile of that hospital there is a child that needs removal from his family, but CPS will always go for the innocent people first.
2013-04-28 01:36:45 PM
3 votes:
FTFA:  "medical records that clearly stated that Sammy was clinically safe to go home "

But the OTHER docs trump, and the police, who saw said records, somehow have enough medical knowledge to back that up with force?

Holy hell - I ~hate~ CPS, having had a run-in with them before, due to a biatchy neighbor, but that is unbelievably insane.  If I were in that situation, I worry I would become irrationally violent if my child were taken away from me and brought to a place where I questioned the medical care.
2013-04-27 08:45:25 PM
3 votes:
I'd like to see something about this in some legitimate media outlet before I believe it.
2013-04-28 04:57:09 PM
2 votes:

netcentric: Children do not belong to their parents .  They don't own them.   Children belong to the community as a whole.

Send the billl for care to - MSNBC


You are being sarcastic but actually Parents don't own their children.   We fought a whole civil war over the issue of owning humans remember?
2013-04-28 04:13:41 PM
2 votes:

balloot: Darkrover2: [www.dakotavoice.com image 450x301]

'We, as compassionate liberals, know how to run you and your children's lives better than you ever will! No more obesity! No more old-school parenting! No more freedom to choose how you live you life, because we need to keep you alive and working to increase the GDP as long as possible!
Oh, and less alcohol, and much more coffee and energy drinks! It makes you so productive, drone!
You'll thank us in the end!'

You know, there are plenty of countries you can live in where you can beat the crap out of your kids as you wish.  Or malnourish them.  Or have them work 40 hour weeks.  Or have them killing people in an army by age 10.  Feel free to go to any of those fabulous bastions of freedom if you feel too oppressed here.


=================

I have to wonder how much life experience the anti-CPS people really have, or are they just plain ol' dense?  I don't believe the state should micromanage families, but there are times when it's appropriate for the state to intervene.  When I was a boy, I had a school friend who was being raised by his biological mother and his step-dad.  Their house was perfect, their cars were spotless, the lawn looked like each blade of grass was cut individually.  Superficially, everything looked great.  Behind the scenes things were different.  His mother had serious emotional issues, and was repeatedly hospitalized for nervous breakdown.  She was addicted to all kinds of prescription meds.  Step-dad was a violent head-case sheriff's officers who believed that little kids should be treated the same way as USMC recruits at Paris Island.  I'm not even going to begin telling you all the ways they farked up that kid.  He would have been much better off had CPS intervened while he was still in grade school.  As it turned out, he ended up in a center for emotionally disturbed teens.
2013-04-28 04:00:23 PM
2 votes:
I hate paperwork as much as the next guy but hospitals are forced to put you through those hoops.  Just sign the papers and have the child directly transferred, there would have been no issue.  If the child is that sick, then it should have been a pickup and drop off.  Not what this was, which is where they pickup and take home.  He was in the ICU, come on morons.
2013-04-28 03:49:21 PM
2 votes:
Something similar very nearly almost happened to us on numerous occasions...

Son was being breastfed, and wasn't gaining weight as fast as they'd like...  never mind that before 2 months, he was rolling around the room, was crawling by 4 months, etc.   And that Daddy is 130 lbs soaking wet.  OMG, he's malnourished!
CPS showed up after we stopped going to that office.  Fortunately, the new doctor was available via phone to set them straight, or we might have been in the same boat.

/boy's 4 now
//weighs a whopping 33 lbs ;).
///and still has a motor that won't quit.
2013-04-28 03:39:42 PM
2 votes:

netcentric: Children do not belong to their parents .  They don't own them.   Children belong to the community as a whole.

Send the billl for care to - MSNBC


Yeah right. See what happens if I take the kid down the street that "belongs to the community as a whole" to the movies without consent of the parents and see where I end up. (Hint: cement and bars, and probably a nice entry in the sex offender registry.)


Parents / legal guardians don't "own" kids like property, but they are supposed to be able to make reasonable decisions regarding the kids' well-being. If they want a second hospital's opinion on something, they should get it without harassment from the jackboots.

And as far as the pigs forcefully taking the guy's keys and storming the house: What happened to police warrants, or is a warrant not required in a CPS case?
2013-04-28 03:28:27 PM
2 votes:
Children do not belong to their parents .  They don't own them.   Children belong to the community as a whole.

Send the billl for care to - MSNBC
2013-04-28 03:20:58 PM
2 votes:

Azlefty: Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid

Actually it is Sacramento County since they are in charge of CPS, the county is quite conservative like the rest of the Central Valley, to get the libby libs you have to go at least over to Solano County for that


You pathetic liar...
BARACK OBAMA (DEM) . . . . . . . 300,503 58.06 MITT ROMNEY (REP). . . . . . . . 202,514 39.13
2013-04-28 03:18:40 PM
2 votes:
Hospital gets a baby born there with a heart murmur.
Hospital makes more money for constant outpatient care of child.
Hospital decides to make major money by doing heart surgery.
Parents pull kid out to get a second opinion and then get to experience Social services, child protection branch.

Parents will end up making about $2 million from lawsuit against the hospital for kidnapping their kid to perform what is deemed as unnecessary surgery that is forced on without outside medical advice.
2013-04-28 03:17:33 PM
2 votes:
It's another case of people doing shiat just because they can. See user name.
2013-04-28 03:15:40 PM
2 votes:
I'm reading that whole thing with a 10 pound block of salt.  TFA is from a "Traditional Cultures nutrition" anti-doctor website.
2013-04-28 01:43:28 PM
2 votes:

Somacandra: hardinparamedic: Something is not adding up with this article and the information inside that is being presented. There is something being left out here, at the very least. They brought the baby in for "flu like symptoms" (which honestly could be anything, including the flu) but then began talking about "heart surgery"? An ER doctor is not going to talk to parents about heart surgery for their child to begin with, the cardiovascular surgery attending is going to do that.

I didn't see in TFA that this was in the ER. Something is definitely screwed up here but I'm not sure if we have enough info to form an opinion. My hops is that the family already has a lawyer on the case.


Apparently the child has a heart murmur, which is well documented, and for which they are already seeing a specialist regularly at the original hospital.
2013-04-28 01:11:21 PM
2 votes:

Speaker2Animals: I'd like to see something about this in some legitimate media outlet before I believe it.


This. Something is not adding up with this article and the information inside that is being presented. There is something being left out here, at the very least.

They brought the baby in for "flu like symptoms" (which honestly could be anything, including the flu) but then began talking about "heart surgery"? An ER doctor is not going to talk to parents about heart surgery for their child to begin with, the cardiovascular surgery attending is going to do that.

So, EVEN if that's the case, and they thought the child had the potential for being septic with a known congenital heart defect that required repair, then they were most definitely warranted in contacting CPS for the parents taking the child AMA without treatment.

What they don't mention, as well, is that it's pretty standard for the police to go to people's houses if they come back with a potentially life-threatening test result and don't bring the child back for evaluation or treatment. Even with the negative publicity, it's far cheaper than having a child die from sepsis after the parents refuse to get their child's positive blood culture treated.
2013-04-27 11:41:03 PM
2 votes:
These are the people that want to take our guns.
2013-04-27 03:12:55 PM
2 votes:
Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid.
2013-04-27 02:56:59 PM
2 votes:

kiwimoogle84: I can see if possibly the kiddo was a bit unstable when they took him, but if that was the case, the cops at Kaiser wouldn't have said the kid was ok. I'm just scratching my head as to who thought that parents trying to CARE for their child warrants a CPS call. It's not like they were taking the kid to a faith healer.


That's what I'm thinking. Why would the Sutter doctors trump the Kaiser doctors with CPS? And I'd be more angry that they returned the child to the care of Sutter after I felt they were doing an inadequate job. At the very least, you'd think CPS would take the parents desires into consideration and taking the child back to Kaiser.

Its not like CPS is paying for the medical care for the child, so I would be mad that Sutter is racking up more medical bills for my child when I already declined their services.

I do wonder if there is a language barrier. One of my less awesome former coworkers treats people with accents or a limited English vocabulary as if they're stupid... I feel like its bigoted to treat someone with an accent or a smaller vocabulary as if they're not smart enough to make educated decisions. Meanwhile, this guy didn't speak even a little of a second language, so who, really, is the stupid person?
2013-04-29 04:34:22 AM
1 votes:

Uisce Beatha: The forms and general misunderstandings in this case seem to have been the aggravating factor


What's an aggravating factor is in modern medicine the forms are all that is important.  The patient, their care, isn't important.  You come in to see a doctor, your squacking is a distraction to the task at hand, getting the insurance company to kick down some cash.  To do that they need documentation to give to insurance company. Nothing you say is actually important.
2013-04-28 11:40:58 PM
1 votes:
The problem here is Sutter Memorial.  Once it was THE place to give birth, but now it is very run-down.  In fact, it is scheduled to be torn down and replaced with housing.  It seems like the staff at Sutter Memorial are not as "quality" as they once were, and patient care has deteriorated, especially in pediatrics, as well as in the ER.  The hospital is scheduled to be torn down once Sutter finishes their addition to Sutter General Hospital, which is nearby.  Patients young and old should avoid Sutter Memorial.
2013-04-28 10:13:13 PM
1 votes:
Should've shot the cops.

I'm not kidding.
2013-04-28 09:39:06 PM
1 votes:
Could this explain part of the police issues? Sutter placed two calls when the parents walked out. The first was to police for kidnapping/welfare check. The officer assigned to that call visited Kaiser, was satisfied, and cleared his case. The second call went to CPS. CPS sees chiles removed AMA and calls in an emergency removal order. Those cops carried out their duty. No one ever bothered talking to each other.
2013-04-28 09:15:01 PM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Summercat: For those hatin' on California:

[dakiniland.files.wordpress.com image 800x588]

I'm curious about that chart.  Because federal spending doesn't mean state assistance, it could be funding for military bases and other such things that benefit the country as a whole.


That is certainly the case for New Mexico. We have Los Alamos, Sandia National Labs, three Air Force bases, White Sands Missile Range, and a lot of indian reservations. Oh, and what isn't any of the above things is usually federal land administered by the BLM.

So, yeah, billions of dollars spent in a state with a population of 2.1 million.

One more thing, NM is a blue state, not a red state as that chart indicates. One member of congress is a R. The other two are D, as are both senators. In presidential elections, NM has been blue since 1992 (with the exception of 2004). But, the makers of the chart would hate to have the #1 state ruin their point, so it is colored red.
2013-04-28 08:16:56 PM
1 votes:

Arthur Jumbles: Go to another hospital and make sure you inform  Sutter of the reason why.


This.
2013-04-28 06:33:05 PM
1 votes:

flondrix: Alas, I need to hear a version of the story that does not come from an antivax site before I can come to any conclusions.


Good then that there are several links in this thread to other stories, huh?
2013-04-28 05:36:54 PM
1 votes:

SN1987a goes boom: Before people start jumping down the throats of the doctors, I read about this story from another source.  The kid was checked into a children's ICU at the first hospital, then the mom simply took the kid to the second without getting him checked out.  The kid turned out to be fine, but just grabbing your kid without going through the paperwork will get you an automatic police/cps visit.


A visit is fine but doesn't CPS have the responsibility to do their due diligence before taking a child away from it's parents. CPS visits; 'here is the kid', 'here is the statement from another hospital', CPS person makes a call and maybe follows up. Seems a bit heavy handed to just take a child with only 1 sides story, the police should also of had the report from the officer on the previous day. The problem is that CPS and the case worker probably have little to no consequences for doing a poor job. Start suspending caseworkers without pay when the pull stuff like this and they'll stop. One would also think the family would have the right to step before a judge on Day 1 if they wanted to.
2013-04-28 05:26:45 PM
1 votes:
Of course, maybe some one at the hospital had legitimate concern for the child. And that got reported like it's supposed to be.

Lots of kids die every year because the parents didn't procure necessary medical treatment. I'd rather have the state step in and prevent an unecessary death than I would have them presume all parenting is adequate.
2013-04-28 04:56:14 PM
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: Just watched the video. They threw him down, took his keys and let themselves in?! Poor bastard probably thought he left that shiat behind in his native country. Sorry, friend. We have let you down.


Or Boston

/LA would have just filled his truck with bullets.
2013-04-28 04:34:26 PM
1 votes:
Whoever told them they cannot take pictures during their visit needs to be taken out and shot. There is no legitimate concern for the well being of the child by taking pictures or video, this is purely about power and CPS controlling the story.
2013-04-28 04:33:50 PM
1 votes:

TheSwissNavy: You pathetic liar...
BARACK OBAMA (DEM) . . . . . . . 300,503 58.06 MITT ROMNEY (REP). . . . . . . . 202,514 39.13


He said they were conservative not stupid.

Me the FA says CPS has to go before a Judge tomorrow.  Hopefully he'll blow a gasket terminate CPS's custody and order the kid over to Kaiser.

\Fark me I'm old.  I remember when Kaiser ran the shi'ity hospitals.
\\Have no kids, but would never take them to Sutter if I did.
2013-04-28 04:24:28 PM
1 votes:
Well subby, sounds to me like you need to find another hospital. You need to do that right away. You should go into Sutter, be calm, firm, and very vocal about why your are doing this.
2013-04-28 04:10:58 PM
1 votes:

doofusgumby: thamike: I'm still wondering why, if they have Kaiser Permanente, they didn't go there in the first place.  Or why, if they don't have Kaiser Permanente, they were given a consultation there.

Kaiser contracts with Sutter for some birthing stuff. Or was that Alta Bates? Anyway there's probably some kind of partnership thing there.


I had thought of it, but Kaiser's OB/GYN is top rate, and the article says it's a rival of Sutter.

MadAzza: FrancoFile: I'm reading that whole thing with a 10 pound block of salt.  TFA is from a "Traditional Cultures nutrition" anti-doctor website.

Then you should click on thamike's link. Just scroll up. I had the same immediate reaction you did, not to the story itself but to the blog entry Subby posted.


Funny thing is, my link is an update from the original ABC News10 article, which is linked in the blog.

The more I look at it, the more this looks like the CPS was working on info they obtained from a credible source--a doctor--who obtained his info from a dubious source--an admin with a bad attitude--who obtained the original info from the worst possible source--a nurse still seething from being ridiculed by the parents and the pediatric specialist.  And it all happened in a town that was being patrolled by an angry cop and his by-the-book partner.
2013-04-28 04:01:19 PM
1 votes:

Darkrover2: [www.dakotavoice.com image 450x301]

'We, as compassionate liberals, know how to run you and your children's lives better than you ever will! No more obesity! No more old-school parenting! No more freedom to choose how you live you life, because we need to keep you alive and working to increase the GDP as long as possible!
Oh, and less alcohol, and much more coffee and energy drinks! It makes you so productive, drone!
You'll thank us in the end!'


You know, there are plenty of countries you can live in where you can beat the crap out of your kids as you wish.  Or malnourish them.  Or have them work 40 hour weeks.  Or have them killing people in an army by age 10.  Feel free to go to any of those fabulous bastions of freedom if you feel too oppressed here.
2013-04-28 04:00:09 PM
1 votes:

kiwimoogle84: Speaker2Animals: I'd like to see something about this in some legitimate media outlet before I believe it.


If you click on the video it takes you to ABC news. This is legit.


Here's the thing Speaker2Animals isn't going there to give birth to a kid. You are. I'd say the level of "is this legit" would be pretty freaking low for me if I was either a woman or pregnant, or perhaps both, and scheduled to go to Sutter.

To it it plainly, they got some 'splainin' to do. And I'm guessing someone will have to put his hat in his or her hand and sincerely apologize before it's all over.
2013-04-28 03:56:05 PM
1 votes:
This smells of anti-vaxxer/anti-doctor crowd, where they question actual medical knowledge with some BS they read on a blog and then flip out when they are ignored.  The site even mentions in the footnote some other anti-vaxxer couple that was wronged in a similar way.

I'm actually perfectly fine with anti-vaxxers being rounded up and beaten.
2013-04-28 03:55:59 PM
1 votes:
Before people start jumping down the throats of the doctors, I read about this story from another source.  The kid was checked into a children's ICU at the first hospital, then the mom simply took the kid to the second without getting him checked out.  The kid turned out to be fine, but just grabbing your kid without going through the paperwork will get you an automatic police/cps visit.
2013-04-28 03:54:28 PM
1 votes:
"A hearing is scheduled for Monday, April 29, 2013 on the incident which was triggered when Anna Nikolayev and her husband Alex took baby Sammy out of Sutter Memorial Hospital and sought a second opinion at Kaiser Permanente, a rival hospital, "

================================

The best reason EVAH for free market competition in health care.

As for those of you dumping on CPS, you don't know what the doctors at the hospital told them.  What if the kid really was in danger and they ignored it?  You'd be here dumping on the farking lazy cops.   The blame rests with the hospital and the doctors.
2013-04-28 03:44:19 PM
1 votes:
www.dakotavoice.com

'We, as compassionate liberals, know how to run you and your children's lives better than you ever will! No more obesity! No more old-school parenting! No more freedom to choose how you live you life, because we need to keep you alive and working to increase the GDP as long as possible!
Oh, and less alcohol, and much more coffee and energy drinks! It makes you so productive, drone!
You'll thank us in the end!'
2013-04-28 03:40:17 PM
1 votes:

reklamfox: This story is sad for the parents, but I'm honestly a little baffled at the irresponsibility of this writer actually suggesting you shouldn't take your sick children to the hospital. That is a dangerous and reckless thing to encourage... not all hospitals are such arseholes so for the love of god people TAKE YOUR SICK CHILDREN TO THE HOSPITAL.


One of the articles linked from that story takes the opinion of one retired doctor and trumpets that parents shouldn't feel guilty about not immunizing their children... because supposedly "herd immunity" is an invalid concept.

'Nuff said about the credibility of their conclusions.
2013-04-28 03:34:12 PM
1 votes:

FrancoFile: I'm reading that whole thing with a 10 pound block of salt.  TFA is from a "Traditional Cultures nutrition" anti-doctor website.


Then you should click on thamike's link. Just scroll up. I had the same immediate reaction you did, not to the story itself but to the blog entry Subby posted.
2013-04-28 03:31:39 PM
1 votes:
Having dealt with CPS due to a vindictive daycare worker, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
Actually, it our case, the CPS worker and the cops saw right through the bullshiat right away and the kids went nowhere. Well, except to a different day care center from that day forward.

/said daycare worker was pissed that I brought it to the owner's attention that she was falsifying incident reports
//by crossing out her own child's name and inserting our daughter's name on any report where one kid hit/bit/kicked another
2013-04-28 03:28:27 PM
1 votes:

kiwimoogle84: jehovahs witness protection: Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid.

Yeah, um, there's nothing wrong with California. Lived here my whole life and I love it. It has its problems but a few stupid comments in no way represent the views of the whole state. This is not what happened here, if you'd RTFA.



Problem is you've lived there all your life, so you don't know any better. California is a pimple on the backside of the USA
2013-04-28 03:28:14 PM
1 votes:

reklamfox: This story is sad for the parents, but I'm honestly a little baffled at the irresponsibility of this writer actually suggesting you shouldn't take your sick children to the hospital. That is a dangerous and reckless thing to encourage... not all hospitals are such arseholes so for the love of god people TAKE YOUR SICK CHILDREN TO THE HOSPITAL.


go a step further, how many people are actually informed enough about medicine to ACTUALLY make an informed decision? assuming no errors on the drs part.

of course in this case, this hospital was CLEARLY a dangerous place. drugs were being given without drs orders? lolwut?

/shudder dammed if we do, dammed if we dont
2013-04-28 03:23:13 PM
1 votes:
I'm curious as to if the parents are well insured. I know it's cynical.
2013-04-28 03:21:15 PM
1 votes:
Until I read the story, all I could think was "All the other hospital is going to say is 'Yes, it's a baby... here's your bill.'"

So yeah, it sounds like a petty bit of BS to me.  Doctors not liking that their opinions/diagnosis was questioned.
2013-04-28 03:20:03 PM
1 votes:

jehovahs witness protection: Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid.


Go F&^% yourself.
2013-04-28 02:31:01 PM
1 votes:

Bunny Deville: Switch hospitals and be sure to tell Sutter why, like the guy said above. Tell your OB why as well.

Somewhere within a mile of that hospital there is a child that needs removal from his family, but CPS will always go for the innocent people first.


I've already left a message for my OB's office asking which other hospitals she is contracted with. I feel like I would get the same treatment if it was my sick kid because I DO have a background in medicine, and I have zero problem asking questions.

Granted, I won't just leave AMA without informing absolutely everyone of my intentions and signing paperwork. I think someone saw "abducted child" and got a stick up their arse. But I certainly do keep an eye on my medical professionals. Most are good but there's a few bad eggs in there.
2013-04-28 01:55:39 PM
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Uisce Beatha: thamike: I'd bet money that the root of it all is a low-end hospital admin with an attitude problem.

If that's the case, they need a'prosecutin'.   Sadly, there will likely be no repercussions for the asshat who caused this


Yeah, well, "low-end hospital admin with a bad attitude" is a bit redundant, anyway.  ER is even worse.

I got run over by a car in a coffee shop once.  I was shredded pretty badly by the plate glass window and in pain, but I basically walked away from it. The other two people got f*cked up much, much worse, despite me being the only one actually hit by the car.  Anyway, so I'm waiting at UCLA hospital to see a doctor, and the guy behind me in line is having an anal aneurysm.  The admin was being a complete BonQuiQui to him, and it only got worse when I insisted he cut ahead of me.  I actually had to bust past her and find a doctor, who took her to task and got the guy some help. To give you some perspective, I had never seen a human being in that much pain before, and I had just witnessed a guy with a severely bleeding gash-per-square inch of his body and a girl lose a leg at the shin.  So you can imagine how much of a c*nt this admin was being.
2013-04-28 01:39:56 PM
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hardinparamedic: Something is not adding up with this article and the information inside that is being presented. There is something being left out here, at the very least. They brought the baby in for "flu like symptoms" (which honestly could be anything, including the flu) but then began talking about "heart surgery"? An ER doctor is not going to talk to parents about heart surgery for their child to begin with, the cardiovascular surgery attending is going to do that.



I didn't see in TFA that this was in the ER. Something is definitely screwed up here but I'm not sure if we have enough info to form an opinion. My hops is that the family already has a lawyer on the case.
2013-04-27 09:13:57 PM
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Speaker2Animals: I'd like to see something about this in some legitimate media outlet before I believe it.



If you click on the video it takes you to ABC news. This is legit.
2013-04-27 04:03:38 PM
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jehovahs witness protection: Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid.


Yeah, um, there's nothing wrong with California. Lived here my whole life and I love it. It has its problems but a few stupid comments in no way represent the views of the whole state. This is not what happened here, if you'd RTFA.
2013-04-27 03:36:17 PM
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jehovahs witness protection: Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid.


This is going to be just like that out-of-context "pass the bill to find out what's in it" BS, isn't it?  You're just going to keep trotting that out every opportunity you get no matter how many times someone explains it to you.
2013-04-27 03:30:19 PM
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Sutter Memorial Hospital.  All your babbys are belong to us!
2013-04-27 02:22:10 PM
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I can see if possibly the kiddo was a bit unstable when they took him, but if that was the case, the cops at Kaiser wouldn't have said the kid was ok. I'm just scratching my head as to who thought that parents trying to CARE for their child warrants a CPS call. It's not like they were taking the kid to a faith healer.
2013-04-27 02:11:11 PM
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Holy.Farking.Shiat.
 
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