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(Some Angry Doctor)   Not news: CPS removes a baby from his parents. News: After the parents sought a second opinion from another hospital and the first hospital called the cops. SCARY: Subette is scheduled to have her baby at the same hospital   (thehealthyhomeeconomist.com) divider line 200
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2013-04-28 05:09:04 PM  

BlackMtnMan: Meatybrain: BlackMtnMan: kiwimoogle84: jehovahs witness protection: Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid.

Yeah, um, there's nothing wrong with California. Lived here my whole life and I love it. It has its problems but a few stupid comments in no way represent the views of the whole state. This is not what happened here, if you'd RTFA.


Problem is you've lived there all your life, so you don't know any better. California is a pimple on the backside of the USA

So what? You're black.


No, I live in Colorado.  California blows.


Having lived in California, Nevada, Alaska, and Washington -- also work with people from all over the US -- I can say people from California are not that bad compared to the rest. Every state is full of themselves to some degree. What I love is when people from Colorado act just a douchey as Californians. Both are great places to live. But for some reason Coloradans dont know they are hypocrites.

/ LOLed when I heard a saying from Colorado: "Californians go home and take the Texans with you."
 
2013-04-28 05:09:32 PM  

Mr. Holmes: badhatharry:Her name was Amber Marlowe and the provider was Wilkes-Barre General. You can thank me for doing your homework for you later, in the meantime, I'll just point out that there have also been numerous cases of idiots resisting the advice of doctors and killing their newborns. Midwives and junkies tend to be the biggest offenders on this front.

Should a doctor be able to forcibly compel a crackhead to undergo necessary surgery to save her babies when the crackhead refuses?

Here's what I don't get-- the crackhead from Salt Lake City mentioned in one of the Marlowe articles was tried for capital murder (she got off, sounds like). So if your baby dies on accident during delivery, you're a murderer. If it dies on purpose, you're okay, that's just an abortion.


I was wondering about that. Wouldn't that just be classified a miscarriage? I mean the fetus is a fetus. You might have named it, planned for it but there is no guarantee it won't stop gestating etc or, unfortunately, be still born. Yes there are developmental differences unvialbe vs. viable. If I'm poor and pregnant, go all the pregnancy without prenatal care and have a still birth would that be a case for 'murder'/'neglect'?
 
2013-04-28 05:11:43 PM  

Maggie_Luna: Mr. Holmes: badhatharry:Her name was Amber Marlowe and the provider was Wilkes-Barre General. You can thank me for doing your homework for you later, in the meantime, I'll just point out that there have also been numerous cases of idiots resisting the advice of doctors and killing their newborns. Midwives and junkies tend to be the biggest offenders on this front.

Should a doctor be able to forcibly compel a crackhead to undergo necessary surgery to save her babies when the crackhead refuses?

Here's what I don't get-- the crackhead from Salt Lake City mentioned in one of the Marlowe articles was tried for capital murder (she got off, sounds like). So if your baby dies on accident during delivery, you're a murderer. If it dies on purpose, you're okay, that's just an abortion.

I was wondering about that. Wouldn't that just be classified a miscarriage? I mean the fetus is not a legal living person. You might have named it, planned for it but there is no guarantee it won't stop gestating etc or, unfortunately, be still born. Yes there are developmental differences unvialbe vs. viable. If I'm poor and pregnant, go all the pregnancy without prenatal care and have a still birth would that be a case for 'murder'/'neglect'?


FTFM : editing, need to do it.
 
2013-04-28 05:14:13 PM  

TheSwissNavy: Azlefty: Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid

Actually it is Sacramento County since they are in charge of CPS, the county is quite conservative like the rest of the Central Valley, to get the libby libs you have to go at least over to Solano County for that

You pathetic liar...
BARACK OBAMA (DEM) . . . . . . . 300,503 58.06 MITT ROMNEY (REP). . . . . . . . 202,514 39.13


I'm puzzled about the numbers. What are they supposed to be? Are there missing commas and extraneous spaces? Do the numbers closest to Mitt go with him? If so, why are Obama's number all the way to the right? What's up with the decimal points? are we supposed to ignore the "58.06" and the "39.13"? Do you have a link for their source?
 
2013-04-28 05:26:45 PM  
Of course, maybe some one at the hospital had legitimate concern for the child. And that got reported like it's supposed to be.

Lots of kids die every year because the parents didn't procure necessary medical treatment. I'd rather have the state step in and prevent an unecessary death than I would have them presume all parenting is adequate.
 
2013-04-28 05:27:18 PM  

fnordfocus: doofusgumby: thamike: I'm still wondering why, if they have Kaiser Permanente, they didn't go there in the first place.  Or why, if they don't have Kaiser Permanente, they were given a consultation there.

Kaiser contracts with Sutter for some birthing stuff. Or was that Alta Bates? Anyway there's probably some kind of partnership thing there.

Alta Bates is a Sutter hospital.

I recall they were contracted when Kaiser Oakland was being renovated several years back, but I can't find anything about a larger partnership.


Yeah that was old info from an old guy who confuses stuff that happened ten years ago with last week.

/adjusts onion
 
2013-04-28 05:30:35 PM  

MyRandomName: TheSwissNavy: Azlefty: Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid

Actually it is Sacramento County since they are in charge of CPS, the county is quite conservative like the rest of the Central Valley, to get the libby libs you have to go at least over to Solano County for that

You pathetic liar...
BARACK OBAMA (DEM) . . . . . . . 300,503 58.06 MITT ROMNEY (REP). . . . . . . . 202,514 39.13

Lol, you are shocked the lefties on this site lie continually?  If it wasn't for revisionist history, they would have nothing.


And apparently a 60:40 split means that the county is the libbyest lib ever in GOP logic.
 
2013-04-28 05:31:51 PM  

fnordfocus: Fissile: Step-dad was a violent head-case sheriff's officers who believed that little kids should be treated the same way as USMC recruits at Paris Island.  I'm not even going to begin telling you all the ways they farked up that kid.  He would have been much better off had CPS intervened while he was still in grade school.

That's your answer right there.

Can you imagine what would happen to a caseworker who tried to take a cop's son?


======================

Nah, it wasn't that, it was the 70's (yes, I'm old)....unless the dad was Charles Manson, and the mom was Typhoid Mary, the kids stayed where they were.

As for my friend, the step-dad never adopted him.  My friend still used his biological father's surname, but his mother used husband #2's surname.  The step-dad was cold to say the least.  My friend didn't think much of him,  he was just the dude who was farking his mom.
 
2013-04-28 05:35:45 PM  

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: Wow, that's horse shiat. They got a second opinion that they could take a baby home from another hospital. Its not like they took the baby home without having medical professionals look after him. Doctors don't like being questioned at all apparently. I thought good doctors would encourage second opinions.


I think the problem is the hospital didn't know that that's actually what they did.  There have been too many cases of babies getting faith "healing" and dying.  That doesn't warrant the cop's behavior, though.

destrip: And as far as the pigs forcefully taking the guy's keys and storming the house: What happened to police warrants, or is a warrant not required in a CPS case?


I doubt a warrant is required but force certainly isn't justified as a first course of action.
 
2013-04-28 05:36:54 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: Before people start jumping down the throats of the doctors, I read about this story from another source.  The kid was checked into a children's ICU at the first hospital, then the mom simply took the kid to the second without getting him checked out.  The kid turned out to be fine, but just grabbing your kid without going through the paperwork will get you an automatic police/cps visit.


A visit is fine but doesn't CPS have the responsibility to do their due diligence before taking a child away from it's parents. CPS visits; 'here is the kid', 'here is the statement from another hospital', CPS person makes a call and maybe follows up. Seems a bit heavy handed to just take a child with only 1 sides story, the police should also of had the report from the officer on the previous day. The problem is that CPS and the case worker probably have little to no consequences for doing a poor job. Start suspending caseworkers without pay when the pull stuff like this and they'll stop. One would also think the family would have the right to step before a judge on Day 1 if they wanted to.
 
2013-04-28 05:50:27 PM  

Loren: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: Wow, that's horse shiat. They got a second opinion that they could take a baby home from another hospital. Its not like they took the baby home without having medical professionals look after him. Doctors don't like being questioned at all apparently. I thought good doctors would encourage second opinions.

I think the problem is the hospital didn't know that that's actually what they did.  There have been too many cases of babies getting faith "healing" and dying.  That doesn't warrant the cop's behavior, though.

destrip: And as far as the pigs forcefully taking the guy's keys and storming the house: What happened to police warrants, or is a warrant not required in a CPS case?

I doubt a warrant is required but force certainly isn't justified as a first course of action.


But that's what should have been solved by the visit to the second hospital by the cop. The break down in communication between LEO and CPS is not the family's problem, but it became their problem when they took the kid out of the parents' custody. I mean, they should have checked out AMA without making a break for it, that was wrong. But they were found at another hospital, not with their thumbs up their rumps at home. And the fact that they cannot get the baby back until at least tomorrow is really farked up. And they took the baby back to the people who the parents deemed not capable of caring for their child. And incurring more medical bills at a hospital that the parents don't like.
 
2013-04-28 06:00:20 PM  

reklamfox: This story is sad for the parents, but I'm honestly a little baffled at the irresponsibility of this writer actually suggesting you shouldn't take your sick children to the hospital. That is a dangerous and reckless thing to encourage... not all hospitals are such arseholes so for the love of god people TAKE YOUR SICK CHILDREN TO THE HOSPITAL.


I take my kid to the doctor at a smallish clinic when she's sick enough to need medicine (usually it was a bad earache or RSV). The hospital is for emergencies and I wouldn't take her there unless my doctor recommended it.
Hospitals are cesspools of disease and should be avoided unless you really need a treatment that is only offered there. Not to mention the overhead is insane and you end up paying extra to cover it.
 
2013-04-28 06:05:17 PM  

balloot: This smells of anti-vaxxer/anti-doctor crowd, where they question actual medical knowledge with some BS they read on a blog and then flip out when they are ignored.  The site even mentions in the footnote some other anti-vaxxer couple that was wronged in a similar way.

I'm actually perfectly fine with anti-vaxxers being rounded up and beaten.


In Amerika, there is a violent solution to every perceived problem. I vote for you.
 
2013-04-28 06:20:48 PM  

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: I wouldn't blow the pop stand without signing out, but I kind of doubt that they would have cared either way, it sounds like they had a massive case of butthurt when they left.

Its kind of scary that Sutter started talking heart surgery after having the kid two weeks and Kaiser was OK with them taking baby home. Something seems weird about that!


Alas, I need to hear a version of the story that does not come from an antivax site before I can come to any conclusions.
 
2013-04-28 06:32:17 PM  

Lt_Ryan: Start suspending caseworkers without pay when the pull stuff like this and they'll stop.


I favor "Start throwing caseworkers like this in jail..." or even "Start taking away the children of caseworkers like this...".
 
2013-04-28 06:33:05 PM  

flondrix: Alas, I need to hear a version of the story that does not come from an antivax site before I can come to any conclusions.


Good then that there are several links in this thread to other stories, huh?
 
2013-04-28 06:35:37 PM  

Gimme The Busket: Yet a teacher can find bleeding welps from neck to calves on a 4 year old, apparently caused by a beating from an extension cord, call CPS on the parents, and be told, "Sorry, there's nothing we can do here." I know this because it happened to my wife. What the fark is wrong with this country?


same as all the rest
religion
 
2013-04-28 06:37:42 PM  

MyRandomName: TheSwissNavy: Azlefty: Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid

Actually it is Sacramento County since they are in charge of CPS, the county is quite conservative like the rest of the Central Valley, to get the libby libs you have to go at least over to Solano County for that

You pathetic liar...
BARACK OBAMA (DEM) . . . . . . . 300,503 58.06 MITT ROMNEY (REP). . . . . . . . 202,514 39.13

Lol, you are shocked the lefties on this site lie continually?  If it wasn't for revisionist history, they would have nothing.


40% Romney voters = "quite conservative."
58% Obama voters != "libby lib", unless the remaining 42% voted for Nader or a tree
 
2013-04-28 06:41:35 PM  
My husband works with guy who has a similar story to the one in TFA.  His kid was 15lbs at a year old.  The kids physician kept saying the kid was fine, but the parents kept getting worried.  Finally, the parents take the kid to a second doctor, and the second doctor calls CPS on the parents, blaming the parents for the child being malnourished.  CPS took the kid.  My husband just told me this story last night, so it's really strange to see one so similar on Fark today.  O_o
 
2013-04-28 06:51:05 PM  

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: kiwimoogle84: I can see if possibly the kiddo was a bit unstable when they took him, but if that was the case, the cops at Kaiser wouldn't have said the kid was ok. I'm just scratching my head as to who thought that parents trying to CARE for their child warrants a CPS call. It's not like they were taking the kid to a faith healer.

That's what I'm thinking. Why would the Sutter doctors trump the Kaiser doctors with CPS? And I'd be more angry that they returned the child to the care of Sutter after I felt they were doing an inadequate job. At the very least, you'd think CPS would take the parents desires into consideration and taking the child back to Kaiser.

Its not like CPS is paying for the medical care for the child, so I would be mad that Sutter is racking up more medical bills for my child when I already declined their services.

I do wonder if there is a language barrier. One of my less awesome former coworkers treats people with accents or a limited English vocabulary as if they're stupid... I feel like its bigoted to treat someone with an accent or a smaller vocabulary as if they're not smart enough to make educated decisions. Meanwhile, this guy didn't speak even a little of a second language, so who, really, is the stupid person?


It may well be that a big part of the problem is right here. When you take a baby out of a hospital (or leave, or go someplace else), you take your precious money and generous insurance carrier with you. As long as babby is under Sutter's care, guess who is dunning the parent's insurance company for all his care while he is at CPS?

And it is very very easy for a HOSPITAL to claim that the child is in danger--whereas us peons who know if the kid downstairs is getting the crap beat out of him have to call sixteen times and provide photo proof in triplicate to get this kind of action. You'll notice the cops actually visited TWICE--which means they went back the first time and told the doctors, "No, everything looks okay to us" and the doctors/bill collectors said No, no, that kid is dying! You have to go back! Cha-ching! I mean, go get that baby before it's dead!
 
2013-04-28 07:03:24 PM  

kiwimoogle84: jehovahs witness protection: Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid.

Yeah, um, there's nothing wrong with California. Lived here my whole life and I love it. It has its problems but a few stupid comments in no way represent the views of the whole state. This is not what happened here, if you'd RTFA.


You're talking to a guy who raves about "Commies."  And no, as far as I could tell he wasn't joking or being ironic or anything.  Back away slowly, and try not to look him in the eyes.
 
2013-04-28 07:05:44 PM  
Welcome to liberal America you liberal douchbags.

Way to ruin it for the normal people.
 
2013-04-28 07:05:47 PM  

Speaker2Animals: I'd like to see something about this in some legitimate media outlet before I believe it.


Yeah me too, that's why I used this here internet that I am on to find a more reliable source. Weird, I know, but it got results.
 
2013-04-28 07:08:28 PM  

reklamfox: This story is sad for the parents, but I'm honestly a little baffled at the irresponsibility of this writer actually suggesting you shouldn't take your sick children to the hospital. That is a dangerous and reckless thing to encourage... not all hospitals are such arseholes so for the love of god people TAKE YOUR SICK CHILDREN TO THE HOSPITAL.


The website is The Healthy Home Economist.  Look at some of the other articles on the site.  It' appears to be a quack new age anti-vax website.  Well, make up your own mind but do peruse a few more articles before decided how much to trust it.
 
2013-04-28 07:11:16 PM  
I could understand police making a visit after parents removed a child from the ICU, against medical advice, and without proper paperwork.

However, throwing the father down on the ground and storming in and seizing the child?  Yeah, that's a lawsuit.  I'll bet a couple dozen attorneys in the Sacramento area are salivating at this one.

You'd think they'd do some responsible policework, show up and ask some questions like if they got a second opinion, questions that could have prevented all this.

Then again, that would involve responsible policework, instead of being all "tactical" like too many cops think they are supposed to be nowadays.
 
2013-04-28 07:12:31 PM  

BGates: Welcome to liberal America you liberal douchbags.

Way to ruin it for the normal people.


Welcome to your bitter paranoia you strawman-building conservative douchbag.

Enjoy your impotent rage and bitter misery about things you falsely attribute to liberalism.

I know I will.  CRY MOAR
 
2013-04-28 07:14:19 PM  

Guairdean: Comparing concerned parents to medically compromised crackheads is a bit gratuitous.


It's not a comparison, it's an alternative situation in which it is in the best interest of everyone involved for a medical professional to be able to compel a patient to act in their own best interest when they are unwilling or unable to do so.

You can't just hold up one nutbag in Pennsyltucky as an example of a problem without acknowledging the viable alternatives and you shouldn't be trying to scare people out of doing the sensible thing with statistical outliers.
 
2013-04-28 07:14:49 PM  

netcentric: Children do not belong to their parents .  They don't own them.   Children belong to the community as a whole.

Send the billl for care to - MSNBC


Wow, it really is fun watching the paranoid tea partiers freak out.
 
2013-04-28 07:14:49 PM  

razyjean: My husband works with guy who has a similar story to the one in TFA.  His kid was 15lbs at a year old.  The kids physician kept saying the kid was fine, but the parents kept getting worried.  Finally, the parents take the kid to a second doctor, and the second doctor calls CPS on the parents, blaming the parents for the child being malnourished.  CPS took the kid.  My husband just told me this story last night, so it's really strange to see one so similar on Fark today.  O_o


it is funny and tragic
we "want" to do right and protect the kids, but the parents who are ACTIVELY worried and trying to do right by their kids are punished.
but the people who REALLY need to lose their kids keep getting them back because "kids belong with their mothers"
or worse, no money available to house yet another kid
 
2013-04-28 07:15:14 PM  
For those hatin' on California:

dakiniland.files.wordpress.com

Sure! Let us leave, then! We'll take Oregon and Washington State along with us, form Pacifica. Or Columbia. Probably put the Capitol up in Washington State, to counterbalance the  fact California is the more populous.

We can afford being on our own. fark you.
 
2013-04-28 07:15:29 PM  
Someone just got rich, because that hospital and the local cops are going to be paying out big time.
 
2013-04-28 07:22:02 PM  

MyRandomName: TheSwissNavy: Azlefty: Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid

Actually it is Sacramento County since they are in charge of CPS, the county is quite conservative like the rest of the Central Valley, to get the libby libs you have to go at least over to Solano County for that

You pathetic liar...
BARACK OBAMA (DEM) . . . . . . . 300,503 58.06 MITT ROMNEY (REP). . . . . . . . 202,514 39.13

Lol, you are shocked the lefties on this site lie continually?  If it wasn't for revisionist history, they would have nothing.


www.frontroomcinema.com
Ah, Freud, how we've missed you.
 
2013-04-28 07:27:38 PM  

skozlaw: Guairdean: Comparing concerned parents to medically compromised crackheads is a bit gratuitous.

It's not a comparison, it's an alternative situation in which it is in the best interest of everyone involved for a medical professional to be able to compel a patient to act in their own best interest when they are unwilling or unable to do so.

You can't just hold up one nutbag in Pennsyltucky as an example of a problem without acknowledging the viable alternatives and you shouldn't be trying to scare people out of doing the sensible thing with statistical outliers.


"One nutbag in Pennsyltucky" is an outlier, but equating crackheads with concerned parents is an "alternative situation"? Your lack of logic is astounding.
 
2013-04-28 07:33:01 PM  

ciberido: MyRandomName: TheSwissNavy: Azlefty: Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid

Actually it is Sacramento County since they are in charge of CPS, the county is quite conservative like the rest of the Central Valley, to get the libby libs you have to go at least over to Solano County for that

You pathetic liar...
BARACK OBAMA (DEM) . . . . . . . 300,503 58.06 MITT ROMNEY (REP). . . . . . . . 202,514 39.13

Lol, you are shocked the lefties on this site lie continually?  If it wasn't for revisionist history, they would have nothing.

[www.frontroomcinema.com image 400x400]
Ah, Freud, how we've missed you.


Interesting that voting  for Obama suddenly makes a mostly rural, heavily religious, largely Republican area of the state "libby lib." If I hadn't lived in Central California all my life, I'd think they were talking about a different Sacramento County...but I know that how they vote for President and how they think the rest of the time are often quite different.
 
2013-04-28 07:34:39 PM  

Summercat: For those hatin' on California:

[dakiniland.files.wordpress.com image 800x588]

Sure! Let us leave, then! We'll take Oregon and Washington State along with us, form Pacifica. Or Columbia. Probably put the Capitol up in Washington State, to counterbalance the  fact California is the more populous.

We can afford being on our own. fark you.


meh
split CA into N S and Central
 
2013-04-28 07:51:32 PM  

namatad: Summercat: For those hatin' on California:

[dakiniland.files.wordpress.com image 800x588]

Sure! Let us leave, then! We'll take Oregon and Washington State along with us, form Pacifica. Or Columbia. Probably put the Capitol up in Washington State, to counterbalance the  fact California is the more populous.

We can afford being on our own. fark you.

meh
split CA into N S and Central


Possibly a good idea, but there's no real way to figure out how to do it that doesn't have more than just a tiny whiff of gerrymandering.

Even the 'water rights' division between N and S California was hillaribad gerrymandering.

It would be easier to do away with the State level in theoretical Pacifica. Counties respond directly to the central government.
 
2013-04-28 07:51:56 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: MyRandomName: TheSwissNavy: Azlefty: Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid

Actually it is Sacramento County since they are in charge of CPS, the county is quite conservative like the rest of the Central Valley, to get the libby libs you have to go at least over to Solano County for that

You pathetic liar...
BARACK OBAMA (DEM) . . . . . . . 300,503 58.06 MITT ROMNEY (REP). . . . . . . . 202,514 39.13

Lol, you are shocked the lefties on this site lie continually?  If it wasn't for revisionist history, they would have nothing.

And apparently a 60:40 split means that the county is the libbyest lib ever in GOP logic.


Of course that's extremely liberal. This is a larger margin than Obama won in DE, CT, or even IL. Those aren't deep blue states? It's also more than Romney won in TX, MS, or SD. Those aren't deep red states?

Not sure what any of this has to do with the terrible ordeal these parents are going through, though. I take solace in the fact that they'll end up getting 6 figures from the hospital in exchange for 5 days without their kid.
 
2013-04-28 08:15:43 PM  

Phoenix87ta: jehovahs witness protection: Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid.

This is going to be just like that out-of-context "pass the bill to find out what's in it" BS, isn't it?  You're just going to keep trotting that out every opportunity you get no matter how many times someone explains it to you.


Really? Find out the amount of oil you can accidently spill on your own property before the Cali EPA steps in and fines you, then examine that statement again.
 
2013-04-28 08:16:56 PM  

Arthur Jumbles: Go to another hospital and make sure you inform  Sutter of the reason why.


This.
 
2013-04-28 08:44:39 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Interesting that voting for Obama suddenly makes a mostly rural, heavily religious, largely Republican area of the state "libby lib." If I hadn't lived in Central California all my life, I'd think they were talking about a different Sacramento County...but I know that how they vote for President and how they think the rest of the time are often quite different.


The guy can't wrap his head around the idea of conservative but doesn't hate nig *ding*
 
2013-04-28 08:47:41 PM  
Why can't someone send THEM some ricin?
 
2013-04-28 08:47:43 PM  
Make sure you go to a different hospital. Make sure that about 100,000 copies of a letter you write explaining why make it to the general public.

fark them in the asshole.
 
2013-04-28 08:48:15 PM  
I hope they sue this hospital into bankruptcy. I also hope they sue the shiat out of the police department too.
 
2013-04-28 08:51:49 PM  

Summercat: For those hatin' on California:

[dakiniland.files.wordpress.com image 800x588]


I'm curious about that chart.  Because federal spending doesn't mean state assistance, it could be funding for military bases and other such things that benefit the country as a whole.
 
2013-04-28 09:04:16 PM  
Sue the 1st hospital, sue the 1st hospital's Doctor, sue CPS, sue the PD, sue the cops that stepped foot onto the private property. All into destitution bankruptcy without hopes of ever pursuing another job in their respective careers they attended college for. Did I miss anything?
 
2013-04-28 09:04:29 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Summercat: For those hatin' on California:

[dakiniland.files.wordpress.com image 800x588]

I'm curious about that chart.  Because federal spending doesn't mean state assistance, it could be funding for military bases and other such things that benefit the country as a whole.


Well, a quick once over of the states should tell you that isn't significantly altering the chart. Many of the blue states listed there have huge military installations and/or bases, etc. They aren't just something that lives in republican-land. Good luck launching Naval carriers from Kansas.
 
2013-04-28 09:04:37 PM  
And another reason why we'll never reproduce in the US.
Sad that we might actually want kids, but won't risk it due to the cost/trauma, if you're not loaded enough to just throw money till it goes away.
 
2013-04-28 09:09:39 PM  

thamike: cyberspacedout: thamike: I'm still wondering why, if they have Kaiser Permanente, they didn't go there in the first place.  Or why, if they don't have Kaiser Permanente, they were given a consultation there.

The kid had a heart condition, and was being given improper treatment elsewhere. I would think that this was enough of an emergency to warrant medical care regardless of the insurance policy. And I would hope there's some sort of law on the books regarding hospitals providing second opinions to patients in the face of potentially life threatening situations.

Not sure what you're getting at.


Oh, I meant if they had nowhere else to turn for a second opinion in an urgent care situation, I don't see why Kaiser wouldn't have seen them if they had a different insurance plan.
 
2013-04-28 09:15:01 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Summercat: For those hatin' on California:

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I'm curious about that chart.  Because federal spending doesn't mean state assistance, it could be funding for military bases and other such things that benefit the country as a whole.


That is certainly the case for New Mexico. We have Los Alamos, Sandia National Labs, three Air Force bases, White Sands Missile Range, and a lot of indian reservations. Oh, and what isn't any of the above things is usually federal land administered by the BLM.

So, yeah, billions of dollars spent in a state with a population of 2.1 million.

One more thing, NM is a blue state, not a red state as that chart indicates. One member of congress is a R. The other two are D, as are both senators. In presidential elections, NM has been blue since 1992 (with the exception of 2004). But, the makers of the chart would hate to have the #1 state ruin their point, so it is colored red.
 
2013-04-28 09:32:58 PM  

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I'm curious about that chart.  Because federal spending doesn't mean state assistance, it could be funding for military bases and other such things that benefit the country as a whole.

That is certainly the case for New Mexico. We have Los Alamos, Sandia National Labs, three Air Force bases, White Sands Missile Range, and a lot of indian reservations. Oh, and what isn't any of the above things is usually federal land administered by the BLM.

So, yeah, billions of dollars spent in a state with a population of 2.1 million.

One more thing, NM is a blue state, not a red state as that chart indicates. One member of congress is a R. The other two are D, as are both senators. In presidential elections, NM has been blue since 1992 (with the exception of 2004). But, the makers of the chart would hate to have the #1 state ruin their point, so it is colored red.


Nobody but the truest Fark Liberals take that chart seriously. The explanations for Alaska (huge geographically making infrastructure much more expensive relative to the population) and Louisiana/Mississippi (data from 2005 is used, the year of Katrina) are equally obvious. North Dakota is another interesting case, as I'd bet that much of that money was investments into the oil shale that's led to a huge economic boom there years later. I'd be fascinated to see more recent data and see how these numbers have changed. It wouldn't surprise me if CA and NV were both net negative now.
 
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