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(Some Angry Doctor)   Not news: CPS removes a baby from his parents. News: After the parents sought a second opinion from another hospital and the first hospital called the cops. SCARY: Subette is scheduled to have her baby at the same hospital   (thehealthyhomeeconomist.com) divider line 200
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2013-04-28 03:31:53 PM

netcentric: Children do not belong to their parents .  They don't own them.   Children belong to the community as a whole.

Send the billl for care to - MSNBC


Hey, look, this chromosome salad forgot he was still logged in under this handle.
 
2013-04-28 03:32:43 PM
From the legit news sites, and the link from thamike, this does sound like a complete screw up from CPS. That said, I can somewhat understand the position CPS is in. My ex-wife was a pediatric ICU nurse, and when handing the baby over to the parents at times she felt like she was giving the kid a death sentence.

Violent cops on the other hand...
 
2013-04-28 03:34:12 PM

FrancoFile: I'm reading that whole thing with a 10 pound block of salt.  TFA is from a "Traditional Cultures nutrition" anti-doctor website.


Then you should click on thamike's link. Just scroll up. I had the same immediate reaction you did, not to the story itself but to the blog entry Subby posted.
 
2013-04-28 03:38:05 PM
Last lines of the article: Think long and hard before taking your children to the hospital my friends. Once you go through that door, the medical decisions about your child are no longer within your control.

Yes, better let them die at home while you chant/prey oven them and wave incence/a holy book/crystals/burning sage over them.

Now go churn some butter in the back yard.
 
2013-04-28 03:39:42 PM

netcentric: Children do not belong to their parents .  They don't own them.   Children belong to the community as a whole.

Send the billl for care to - MSNBC


Yeah right. See what happens if I take the kid down the street that "belongs to the community as a whole" to the movies without consent of the parents and see where I end up. (Hint: cement and bars, and probably a nice entry in the sex offender registry.)


Parents / legal guardians don't "own" kids like property, but they are supposed to be able to make reasonable decisions regarding the kids' well-being. If they want a second hospital's opinion on something, they should get it without harassment from the jackboots.

And as far as the pigs forcefully taking the guy's keys and storming the house: What happened to police warrants, or is a warrant not required in a CPS case?
 
2013-04-28 03:40:17 PM

reklamfox: This story is sad for the parents, but I'm honestly a little baffled at the irresponsibility of this writer actually suggesting you shouldn't take your sick children to the hospital. That is a dangerous and reckless thing to encourage... not all hospitals are such arseholes so for the love of god people TAKE YOUR SICK CHILDREN TO THE HOSPITAL.


One of the articles linked from that story takes the opinion of one retired doctor and trumpets that parents shouldn't feel guilty about not immunizing their children... because supposedly "herd immunity" is an invalid concept.

'Nuff said about the credibility of their conclusions.
 
2013-04-28 03:42:19 PM

8zo: AcneVulgaris: jehovahs witness protection: Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid.

Thanks for your input, insignificant flyoverland-dwelling douchebag.

Be careful, citizen.  The only thing we all belong to is the State.  The baby properly only belongs to the mother while it is still in her womb (or shortly thereafter).  Once the baby is out of her womb for, say, an hour or two: THEN it properly belongs to the State.

Obey.


You're crying in your trailerbecause your'e too farking lame to make it on the coasts, and it's all Obama's fault.
 
2013-04-28 03:44:19 PM
www.dakotavoice.com

'We, as compassionate liberals, know how to run you and your children's lives better than you ever will! No more obesity! No more old-school parenting! No more freedom to choose how you live you life, because we need to keep you alive and working to increase the GDP as long as possible!
Oh, and less alcohol, and much more coffee and energy drinks! It makes you so productive, drone!
You'll thank us in the end!'
 
2013-04-28 03:46:46 PM
After witnessing the second coming of Jesus , I vowed never to watch Mexican porn every again

//got nothing
 
2013-04-28 03:46:58 PM

sleeps in trees: I'm curious as to if the parents are well insured. I know it's cynical.


More realistic than you think.

Her Facebook profile shows that she doesn't work though....so......welfare sucking immigrant?


(looks like he's a software developer with a BS degree in computer science, which is probably why he doesn't have a Facebook account)
 
2013-04-28 03:49:21 PM
Something similar very nearly almost happened to us on numerous occasions...

Son was being breastfed, and wasn't gaining weight as fast as they'd like...  never mind that before 2 months, he was rolling around the room, was crawling by 4 months, etc.   And that Daddy is 130 lbs soaking wet.  OMG, he's malnourished!
CPS showed up after we stopped going to that office.  Fortunately, the new doctor was available via phone to set them straight, or we might have been in the same boat.

/boy's 4 now
//weighs a whopping 33 lbs ;).
///and still has a motor that won't quit.
 
2013-04-28 03:49:57 PM
Relax!  At least we don't live a Police State.  Am I right?
 
2013-04-28 03:50:09 PM

thamike: I'm still wondering why, if they have Kaiser Permanente, they didn't go there in the first place.  Or why, if they don't have Kaiser Permanente, they were given a consultation there.


Kaiser contracts with Sutter for some birthing stuff. Or was that Alta Bates? Anyway there's probably some kind of partnership thing there.
 
2013-04-28 03:54:28 PM
"A hearing is scheduled for Monday, April 29, 2013 on the incident which was triggered when Anna Nikolayev and her husband Alex took baby Sammy out of Sutter Memorial Hospital and sought a second opinion at Kaiser Permanente, a rival hospital, "

================================

The best reason EVAH for free market competition in health care.

As for those of you dumping on CPS, you don't know what the doctors at the hospital told them.  What if the kid really was in danger and they ignored it?  You'd be here dumping on the farking lazy cops.   The blame rests with the hospital and the doctors.
 
2013-04-28 03:55:59 PM
Before people start jumping down the throats of the doctors, I read about this story from another source.  The kid was checked into a children's ICU at the first hospital, then the mom simply took the kid to the second without getting him checked out.  The kid turned out to be fine, but just grabbing your kid without going through the paperwork will get you an automatic police/cps visit.
 
2013-04-28 03:56:05 PM
This smells of anti-vaxxer/anti-doctor crowd, where they question actual medical knowledge with some BS they read on a blog and then flip out when they are ignored.  The site even mentions in the footnote some other anti-vaxxer couple that was wronged in a similar way.

I'm actually perfectly fine with anti-vaxxers being rounded up and beaten.
 
2013-04-28 04:00:09 PM

kiwimoogle84: Speaker2Animals: I'd like to see something about this in some legitimate media outlet before I believe it.


If you click on the video it takes you to ABC news. This is legit.


Here's the thing Speaker2Animals isn't going there to give birth to a kid. You are. I'd say the level of "is this legit" would be pretty freaking low for me if I was either a woman or pregnant, or perhaps both, and scheduled to go to Sutter.

To it it plainly, they got some 'splainin' to do. And I'm guessing someone will have to put his hat in his or her hand and sincerely apologize before it's all over.
 
2013-04-28 04:00:23 PM
I hate paperwork as much as the next guy but hospitals are forced to put you through those hoops.  Just sign the papers and have the child directly transferred, there would have been no issue.  If the child is that sick, then it should have been a pickup and drop off.  Not what this was, which is where they pickup and take home.  He was in the ICU, come on morons.
 
2013-04-28 04:01:19 PM

Darkrover2: [www.dakotavoice.com image 450x301]

'We, as compassionate liberals, know how to run you and your children's lives better than you ever will! No more obesity! No more old-school parenting! No more freedom to choose how you live you life, because we need to keep you alive and working to increase the GDP as long as possible!
Oh, and less alcohol, and much more coffee and energy drinks! It makes you so productive, drone!
You'll thank us in the end!'


You know, there are plenty of countries you can live in where you can beat the crap out of your kids as you wish.  Or malnourish them.  Or have them work 40 hour weeks.  Or have them killing people in an army by age 10.  Feel free to go to any of those fabulous bastions of freedom if you feel too oppressed here.
 
2013-04-28 04:02:36 PM
They deserve to be sued, but they are protected, because they say so.
 
2013-04-28 04:10:58 PM

doofusgumby: thamike: I'm still wondering why, if they have Kaiser Permanente, they didn't go there in the first place.  Or why, if they don't have Kaiser Permanente, they were given a consultation there.

Kaiser contracts with Sutter for some birthing stuff. Or was that Alta Bates? Anyway there's probably some kind of partnership thing there.


I had thought of it, but Kaiser's OB/GYN is top rate, and the article says it's a rival of Sutter.

MadAzza: FrancoFile: I'm reading that whole thing with a 10 pound block of salt.  TFA is from a "Traditional Cultures nutrition" anti-doctor website.

Then you should click on thamike's link. Just scroll up. I had the same immediate reaction you did, not to the story itself but to the blog entry Subby posted.


Funny thing is, my link is an update from the original ABC News10 article, which is linked in the blog.

The more I look at it, the more this looks like the CPS was working on info they obtained from a credible source--a doctor--who obtained his info from a dubious source--an admin with a bad attitude--who obtained the original info from the worst possible source--a nurse still seething from being ridiculed by the parents and the pediatric specialist.  And it all happened in a town that was being patrolled by an angry cop and his by-the-book partner.
 
2013-04-28 04:12:21 PM
Doctors develop a god complex after a while and have a giant ego. They are always right and they know more than anyone on the planet. So of course someone calls this douche of a doctor on his bullshiat and he lashes out like a baby and lies to CPS.
 
2013-04-28 04:13:41 PM

balloot: Darkrover2: [www.dakotavoice.com image 450x301]

'We, as compassionate liberals, know how to run you and your children's lives better than you ever will! No more obesity! No more old-school parenting! No more freedom to choose how you live you life, because we need to keep you alive and working to increase the GDP as long as possible!
Oh, and less alcohol, and much more coffee and energy drinks! It makes you so productive, drone!
You'll thank us in the end!'

You know, there are plenty of countries you can live in where you can beat the crap out of your kids as you wish.  Or malnourish them.  Or have them work 40 hour weeks.  Or have them killing people in an army by age 10.  Feel free to go to any of those fabulous bastions of freedom if you feel too oppressed here.


=================

I have to wonder how much life experience the anti-CPS people really have, or are they just plain ol' dense?  I don't believe the state should micromanage families, but there are times when it's appropriate for the state to intervene.  When I was a boy, I had a school friend who was being raised by his biological mother and his step-dad.  Their house was perfect, their cars were spotless, the lawn looked like each blade of grass was cut individually.  Superficially, everything looked great.  Behind the scenes things were different.  His mother had serious emotional issues, and was repeatedly hospitalized for nervous breakdown.  She was addicted to all kinds of prescription meds.  Step-dad was a violent head-case sheriff's officers who believed that little kids should be treated the same way as USMC recruits at Paris Island.  I'm not even going to begin telling you all the ways they farked up that kid.  He would have been much better off had CPS intervened while he was still in grade school.  As it turned out, he ended up in a center for emotionally disturbed teens.
 
2013-04-28 04:16:38 PM
Yet a teacher can find bleeding welps from neck to calves on a 4 year old, apparently caused by a beating from an extension cord, call CPS on the parents, and be told, "Sorry, there's nothing we can do here." I know this because it happened to my wife. What the fark is wrong with this country?
 
2013-04-28 04:18:36 PM
Move along citizen.   Obligatory
 
2013-04-28 04:22:42 PM

cretinbob: sleeps in trees: I'm curious as to if the parents are well insured. I know it's cynical.

More realistic than you think.

Her Facebook profile shows that she doesn't work though....so......welfare sucking immigrant?


(looks like he's a software developer with a BS degree in computer science, which is probably why he doesn't have a Facebook account)


I don't know the pros and cons but I was wondering that if he is well insured, wouldn't the hospital want to keep the baby with them? Especially if a procedure as pricey as open heart surgery was mentioned.
 
2013-04-28 04:24:28 PM
Well subby, sounds to me like you need to find another hospital. You need to do that right away. You should go into Sutter, be calm, firm, and very vocal about why your are doing this.
 
2013-04-28 04:25:04 PM
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Subbette is right to be concerned. Several years ago there was a story about a woman that objected to a planned cesarean. The doctor scheduled the procedure because it fit his schedule, not because it was medically necessary. In order to avoid unnecessary surgery, the woman left town and spent the last few weeks with her mother. She had a normal delivery there (new doctor and hospital) and returned home to find that her original doctor had gone to court and had her declared mentally incompetent. A court order was waiting to force her to have a cesarean. Doctors often put their golf game ahead of patient safety, and hospitals often put their profit margin above all else.
 
2013-04-28 04:26:26 PM

astouffer: Doctors develop a god complex after a while and have a giant ego. They are always right and they know more than anyone on the planet. So of course someone calls this douche of a doctor on his bullshiat and he lashes out like a baby and lies to CPS.


I have never encountered this doctor. Then again, I don't have an inferiority complex.
 
2013-04-28 04:27:53 PM

R.A.Danny: These are the people that want to take our guns.


i114.photobucket.com

Priorities, Danny. Jesus.
 
2013-04-28 04:29:52 PM
Do not go to that hospital.
 
2013-04-28 04:33:50 PM

TheSwissNavy: You pathetic liar...
BARACK OBAMA (DEM) . . . . . . . 300,503 58.06 MITT ROMNEY (REP). . . . . . . . 202,514 39.13


He said they were conservative not stupid.

Me the FA says CPS has to go before a Judge tomorrow.  Hopefully he'll blow a gasket terminate CPS's custody and order the kid over to Kaiser.

\Fark me I'm old.  I remember when Kaiser ran the shi'ity hospitals.
\\Have no kids, but would never take them to Sutter if I did.
 
2013-04-28 04:34:26 PM
Whoever told them they cannot take pictures during their visit needs to be taken out and shot. There is no legitimate concern for the well being of the child by taking pictures or video, this is purely about power and CPS controlling the story.
 
2013-04-28 04:35:22 PM

Guairdean: Subbette is right to be concerned. Several years ago there was a story about a woman that objected to a planned cesarean. The doctor scheduled the procedure because it fit his schedule, not because it was medically necessary. In order to avoid unnecessary surgery, the woman left town and spent the last few weeks with her mother. She had a normal delivery there (new doctor and hospital) and returned home to find that her original doctor had gone to court and had her declared mentally incompetent. A court order was waiting to force her to have a cesarean. Doctors often put their golf game ahead of patient safety, and hospitals often put their profit margin above all else.


Her name was Amber Marlowe and the provider was Wilkes-Barre General. You can thank me for doing your homework for you later, in the meantime, I'll just point out that there have also been numerous cases of idiots resisting the advice of doctors and killing their newborns. Midwives and junkies tend to be the biggest offenders on this front.

Should a doctor be able to forcibly compel a crackhead to undergo necessary surgery to save her babies when the crackhead refuses?
 
2013-04-28 04:37:51 PM

BlackMtnMan: kiwimoogle84: jehovahs witness protection: Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid.

Yeah, um, there's nothing wrong with California. Lived here my whole life and I love it. It has its problems but a few stupid comments in no way represent the views of the whole state. This is not what happened here, if you'd RTFA.


Problem is you've lived there all your life, so you don't know any better. California is a pimple on the backside of the USA


So what? You're black.
 
2013-04-28 04:38:18 PM

skozlaw: Guairdean: Subbette is right to be concerned. Several years ago there was a story about a woman that objected to a planned cesarean. The doctor scheduled the procedure because it fit his schedule, not because it was medically necessary. In order to avoid unnecessary surgery, the woman left town and spent the last few weeks with her mother. She had a normal delivery there (new doctor and hospital) and returned home to find that her original doctor had gone to court and had her declared mentally incompetent. A court order was waiting to force her to have a cesarean. Doctors often put their golf game ahead of patient safety, and hospitals often put their profit margin above all else.

Her name was Amber Marlowe and the provider was Wilkes-Barre General. You can thank me for doing your homework for you later, in the meantime, I'll just point out that there have also been numerous cases of idiots resisting the advice of doctors and killing their newborns. Midwives and junkies tend to be the biggest offenders on this front.

Should a doctor be able to forcibly compel a crackhead to undergo necessary surgery to save her babies when the crackhead refuses?


What country do you think this is?
 
2013-04-28 04:48:31 PM
But didn't Uncle Sam just come out and tell everyone how their children are common property?
 
2013-04-28 04:52:20 PM

doofusgumby: thamike: I'm still wondering why, if they have Kaiser Permanente, they didn't go there in the first place.  Or why, if they don't have Kaiser Permanente, they were given a consultation there.

Kaiser contracts with Sutter for some birthing stuff. Or was that Alta Bates? Anyway there's probably some kind of partnership thing there.


Alta Bates is a Sutter hospital.

I recall they were contracted when Kaiser Oakland was being renovated several years back, but I can't find anything about a larger partnership.
 
2013-04-28 04:54:53 PM

SN1987a goes boom: then the mom simply took the kid to the second without getting him checked out.


citation needed. Story says she took him out AMA, which means she signed paperwork and was educated to the risks associated before she was allowed, by the hospital, to leave.
Since she did this to take him to another hospital for treatment/diagnosis because she felt the child wasn't receiving proper and adequate care at the first hospital.
What I am hearing is the first hospital trying to drown out the mother's criticism by pointing at her and blaming her. It's bullshiat.
 
2013-04-28 04:55:01 PM
His keys to the home were forcibly removed from him and the police entered the house to take the baby.

Um They better hope they had a warrant to enter the house or else somebody is going to be sued.
 
2013-04-28 04:56:02 PM

Fissile: Step-dad was a violent head-case sheriff's officers who believed that little kids should be treated the same way as USMC recruits at Paris Island.  I'm not even going to begin telling you all the ways they farked up that kid.  He would have been much better off had CPS intervened while he was still in grade school.


That's your answer right there.

Can you imagine what would happen to a caseworker who tried to take a cop's son?
 
2013-04-28 04:56:14 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Just watched the video. They threw him down, took his keys and let themselves in?! Poor bastard probably thought he left that shiat behind in his native country. Sorry, friend. We have let you down.


Or Boston

/LA would have just filled his truck with bullets.
 
2013-04-28 04:56:48 PM

skozlaw: Guairdean: Subbette is right to be concerned. Several years ago there was a story about a woman that objected to a planned cesarean. The doctor scheduled the procedure because it fit his schedule, not because it was medically necessary. In order to avoid unnecessary surgery, the woman left town and spent the last few weeks with her mother. She had a normal delivery there (new doctor and hospital) and returned home to find that her original doctor had gone to court and had her declared mentally incompetent. A court order was waiting to force her to have a cesarean. Doctors often put their golf game ahead of patient safety, and hospitals often put their profit margin above all else.

Her name was Amber Marlowe and the provider was Wilkes-Barre General. You can thank me for doing your homework for you later, in the meantime, I'll just point out that there have also been numerous cases of idiots resisting the advice of doctors and killing their newborns. Midwives and junkies tend to be the biggest offenders on this front.

Should a doctor be able to forcibly compel a crackhead to undergo necessary surgery to save her babies when the crackhead refuses?


An honest, caring clinician will welcome a second opinion. Comparing concerned parents to medically compromised crackheads is a bit gratuitous.
 
2013-04-28 04:57:09 PM

netcentric: Children do not belong to their parents .  They don't own them.   Children belong to the community as a whole.

Send the billl for care to - MSNBC


You are being sarcastic but actually Parents don't own their children.   We fought a whole civil war over the issue of owning humans remember?
 
2013-04-28 04:57:37 PM

Meatybrain: BlackMtnMan: kiwimoogle84: jehovahs witness protection: Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid.

Yeah, um, there's nothing wrong with California. Lived here my whole life and I love it. It has its problems but a few stupid comments in no way represent the views of the whole state. This is not what happened here, if you'd RTFA.


Problem is you've lived there all your life, so you don't know any better. California is a pimple on the backside of the USA

So what? You're black.



No, I live in Colorado.  California blows.
 
2013-04-28 04:58:39 PM

thamike: I'm still wondering why, if they have Kaiser Permanente, they didn't go there in the first place.  Or why, if they don't have Kaiser Permanente, they were given a consultation there.


The kid had a heart condition, and was being given improper treatment elsewhere. I would think that this was enough of an emergency to warrant medical care regardless of the insurance policy. And I would hope there's some sort of law on the books regarding hospitals providing second opinions to patients in the face of potentially life threatening situations.
 
2013-04-28 04:59:15 PM

TheSwissNavy: Azlefty: Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid

Actually it is Sacramento County since they are in charge of CPS, the county is quite conservative like the rest of the Central Valley, to get the libby libs you have to go at least over to Solano County for that

You pathetic liar...
BARACK OBAMA (DEM) . . . . . . . 300,503 58.06 MITT ROMNEY (REP). . . . . . . . 202,514 39.13


Lol, you are shocked the lefties on this site lie continually?  If it wasn't for revisionist history, they would have nothing.
 
2013-04-28 05:04:46 PM
badhatharry:Her name was Amber Marlowe and the provider was Wilkes-Barre General. You can thank me for doing your homework for you later, in the meantime, I'll just point out that there have also been numerous cases of idiots resisting the advice of doctors and killing their newborns. Midwives and junkies tend to be the biggest offenders on this front.

Should a doctor be able to forcibly compel a crackhead to undergo necessary surgery to save her babies when the crackhead refuses?


Here's what I don't get-- the crackhead from Salt Lake City mentioned in one of the Marlowe articles was tried for capital murder (she got off, sounds like). So if your baby dies on accident during delivery, you're a murderer. If it dies on purpose, you're okay, that's just an abortion.
 
2013-04-28 05:05:53 PM

cyberspacedout: thamike: I'm still wondering why, if they have Kaiser Permanente, they didn't go there in the first place.  Or why, if they don't have Kaiser Permanente, they were given a consultation there.

The kid had a heart condition, and was being given improper treatment elsewhere. I would think that this was enough of an emergency to warrant medical care regardless of the insurance policy. And I would hope there's some sort of law on the books regarding hospitals providing second opinions to patients in the face of potentially life threatening situations.


Not sure what you're getting at.
 
2013-04-28 05:08:43 PM

Fissile: "A hearing is scheduled for Monday, April 29, 2013 on the incident which was triggered when Anna Nikolayev and her husband Alex took baby Sammy out of Sutter Memorial Hospital and sought a second opinion at Kaiser Permanente, a rival hospital, "

================================

The best reason EVAH for free market competition in health care.


I kinda agree, but I feel that the cost of health care and prescription drugs are the best reason to add free competitition. It's all tied to the health insurance scam (has anyone ever figured out the whole billing that is used for insurance...it's truly bait-and-switch). My medical insurance costs $500/mo, with a $1500/mo contribution from my employer. On top of that, I pay $30/visit and $5 min for drugs. This system needs a slap upside the head. It cost me, personal-like $15K for a bowel obstruction, without surgery (it cleared as I was being prepped...almost broke the toilet). It's just wrong.

/Rant off
 
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