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(Some Angry Doctor)   Not news: CPS removes a baby from his parents. News: After the parents sought a second opinion from another hospital and the first hospital called the cops. SCARY: Subette is scheduled to have her baby at the same hospital   (thehealthyhomeeconomist.com) divider line 200
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2013-04-27 01:58:01 PM
Wow, that's horse shiat. They got a second opinion that they could take a baby home from another hospital. Its not like they took the baby home without having medical professionals look after him. Doctors don't like being questioned at all apparently. I thought good doctors would encourage second opinions.
 
2013-04-27 02:03:13 PM
Seriously it's as though you're psychic, lady. I'm subby. WHAT THE EFF. And I have a medical background too. If I'm not comfortable with the level of care my kiddo is getting, I would do the same thing.
Of course I'd probably make them sign a waiver saying I'm allowed to leave AMA in the interest of my own child before I did.
 
2013-04-27 02:11:11 PM
Holy.Farking.Shiat.
 
2013-04-27 02:13:01 PM
I wouldn't blow the pop stand without signing out, but I kind of doubt that they would have cared either way, it sounds like they had a massive case of butthurt when they left.

Its kind of scary that Sutter started talking heart surgery after having the kid two weeks and Kaiser was OK with them taking baby home. Something seems weird about that!
 
2013-04-27 02:21:44 PM
Just watched the video. They threw him down, took his keys and let themselves in?! Poor bastard probably thought he left that shiat behind in his native country. Sorry, friend. We have let you down.
 
2013-04-27 02:22:10 PM
I can see if possibly the kiddo was a bit unstable when they took him, but if that was the case, the cops at Kaiser wouldn't have said the kid was ok. I'm just scratching my head as to who thought that parents trying to CARE for their child warrants a CPS call. It's not like they were taking the kid to a faith healer.
 
2013-04-27 02:56:59 PM

kiwimoogle84: I can see if possibly the kiddo was a bit unstable when they took him, but if that was the case, the cops at Kaiser wouldn't have said the kid was ok. I'm just scratching my head as to who thought that parents trying to CARE for their child warrants a CPS call. It's not like they were taking the kid to a faith healer.


That's what I'm thinking. Why would the Sutter doctors trump the Kaiser doctors with CPS? And I'd be more angry that they returned the child to the care of Sutter after I felt they were doing an inadequate job. At the very least, you'd think CPS would take the parents desires into consideration and taking the child back to Kaiser.

Its not like CPS is paying for the medical care for the child, so I would be mad that Sutter is racking up more medical bills for my child when I already declined their services.

I do wonder if there is a language barrier. One of my less awesome former coworkers treats people with accents or a limited English vocabulary as if they're stupid... I feel like its bigoted to treat someone with an accent or a smaller vocabulary as if they're not smart enough to make educated decisions. Meanwhile, this guy didn't speak even a little of a second language, so who, really, is the stupid person?
 
2013-04-27 03:12:55 PM
Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid.
 
2013-04-27 03:30:19 PM
Sutter Memorial Hospital.  All your babbys are belong to us!
 
2013-04-27 03:36:17 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid.


This is going to be just like that out-of-context "pass the bill to find out what's in it" BS, isn't it?  You're just going to keep trotting that out every opportunity you get no matter how many times someone explains it to you.
 
2013-04-27 04:03:38 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid.


Yeah, um, there's nothing wrong with California. Lived here my whole life and I love it. It has its problems but a few stupid comments in no way represent the views of the whole state. This is not what happened here, if you'd RTFA.
 
2013-04-27 04:18:38 PM

kiwimoogle84: I can see if possibly the kiddo was a bit unstable when they took him, but if that was the case, the cops at Kaiser wouldn't have said the kid was ok. I'm just scratching my head as to who thought that parents trying to CARE for their child warrants a CPS call. It's not like they were taking the kid to a faith healer.


If they did take the kid to a faith healer to die they probably would have not raised any official eyebrows (as long as it was a christian faith healer)
 
2013-04-27 05:41:14 PM
That's a suin'.
 
2013-04-27 05:49:23 PM

El_Frijole_Blanco: kiwimoogle84: I can see if possibly the kiddo was a bit unstable when they took him, but if that was the case, the cops at Kaiser wouldn't have said the kid was ok. I'm just scratching my head as to who thought that parents trying to CARE for their child warrants a CPS call. It's not like they were taking the kid to a faith healer.

If they did take the kid to a faith healer to die they probably would have not raised any official eyebrows (as long as it was a christian faith healer)


And that's what's so sad.
 
2013-04-27 05:56:26 PM
Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid

Actually it is Sacramento County since they are in charge of CPS, the county is quite conservative like the rest of the Central Valley, to get the libby libs you have to go at least over to Solano County for that
 
2013-04-27 08:45:25 PM
I'd like to see something about this in some legitimate media outlet before I believe it.
 
2013-04-27 09:13:57 PM

Speaker2Animals: I'd like to see something about this in some legitimate media outlet before I believe it.



If you click on the video it takes you to ABC news. This is legit.
 
2013-04-27 11:41:03 PM
These are the people that want to take our guns.
 
2013-04-28 12:09:04 PM
Go to another hospital and make sure you inform  Sutter of the reason why.
 
2013-04-28 01:11:21 PM

Speaker2Animals: I'd like to see something about this in some legitimate media outlet before I believe it.


This. Something is not adding up with this article and the information inside that is being presented. There is something being left out here, at the very least.

They brought the baby in for "flu like symptoms" (which honestly could be anything, including the flu) but then began talking about "heart surgery"? An ER doctor is not going to talk to parents about heart surgery for their child to begin with, the cardiovascular surgery attending is going to do that.

So, EVEN if that's the case, and they thought the child had the potential for being septic with a known congenital heart defect that required repair, then they were most definitely warranted in contacting CPS for the parents taking the child AMA without treatment.

What they don't mention, as well, is that it's pretty standard for the police to go to people's houses if they come back with a potentially life-threatening test result and don't bring the child back for evaluation or treatment. Even with the negative publicity, it's far cheaper than having a child die from sepsis after the parents refuse to get their child's positive blood culture treated.
 
2013-04-28 01:27:47 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid.


thinkoutsidethebarn.com
 
2013-04-28 01:29:37 PM
i.imgur.com

R.I.P  CVS
 
2013-04-28 01:35:17 PM

kiwimoogle84: Speaker2Animals: I'd like to see something about this in some legitimate media outlet before I believe it.


If you click on the video it takes you to ABC news. This is legit.


Here's an update for clarification. Sounds like a big misunderstanding that will get fixed tomorrow.  I'd bet money that the root of it all is a low-end hospital admin with an attitude problem.
 
2013-04-28 01:36:45 PM
FTFA:  "medical records that clearly stated that Sammy was clinically safe to go home "

But the OTHER docs trump, and the police, who saw said records, somehow have enough medical knowledge to back that up with force?

Holy hell - I ~hate~ CPS, having had a run-in with them before, due to a biatchy neighbor, but that is unbelievably insane.  If I were in that situation, I worry I would become irrationally violent if my child were taken away from me and brought to a place where I questioned the medical care.
 
2013-04-28 01:39:56 PM

hardinparamedic: Something is not adding up with this article and the information inside that is being presented. There is something being left out here, at the very least. They brought the baby in for "flu like symptoms" (which honestly could be anything, including the flu) but then began talking about "heart surgery"? An ER doctor is not going to talk to parents about heart surgery for their child to begin with, the cardiovascular surgery attending is going to do that.



I didn't see in TFA that this was in the ER. Something is definitely screwed up here but I'm not sure if we have enough info to form an opinion. My hops is that the family already has a lawyer on the case.
 
2013-04-28 01:41:40 PM

thamike: I'd bet money that the root of it all is a low-end hospital admin with an attitude problem.


If that's the case, they need a'prosecutin'.   Sadly, there will likely be no repercussions for the asshat who caused this

From your link "She called us back and said we can have this visit at 6 o'clock without any video camera in the room, without taking any pictures," Anna said, describing her conversation with CPS.

Really?  What the hell?  Why would they care if they took pictures OF THEIR OWN CHILD?

Seriously, to hell with CPS.
 
2013-04-28 01:43:28 PM

Somacandra: hardinparamedic: Something is not adding up with this article and the information inside that is being presented. There is something being left out here, at the very least. They brought the baby in for "flu like symptoms" (which honestly could be anything, including the flu) but then began talking about "heart surgery"? An ER doctor is not going to talk to parents about heart surgery for their child to begin with, the cardiovascular surgery attending is going to do that.

I didn't see in TFA that this was in the ER. Something is definitely screwed up here but I'm not sure if we have enough info to form an opinion. My hops is that the family already has a lawyer on the case.


Apparently the child has a heart murmur, which is well documented, and for which they are already seeing a specialist regularly at the original hospital.
 
2013-04-28 01:53:01 PM
So, don't be a biatch and you'll be fine.


Thamike posted a better, clearer version of the story.

All in all, a farked up story. I hope the doctor throwing the hissy fit gets his license stripped, and others who farked up here gets kicked in the balls.

Who am I kidding. That won't happen.
 
2013-04-28 01:55:39 PM

Uisce Beatha: thamike: I'd bet money that the root of it all is a low-end hospital admin with an attitude problem.

If that's the case, they need a'prosecutin'.   Sadly, there will likely be no repercussions for the asshat who caused this


Yeah, well, "low-end hospital admin with a bad attitude" is a bit redundant, anyway.  ER is even worse.

I got run over by a car in a coffee shop once.  I was shredded pretty badly by the plate glass window and in pain, but I basically walked away from it. The other two people got f*cked up much, much worse, despite me being the only one actually hit by the car.  Anyway, so I'm waiting at UCLA hospital to see a doctor, and the guy behind me in line is having an anal aneurysm.  The admin was being a complete BonQuiQui to him, and it only got worse when I insisted he cut ahead of me.  I actually had to bust past her and find a doctor, who took her to task and got the guy some help. To give you some perspective, I had never seen a human being in that much pain before, and I had just witnessed a guy with a severely bleeding gash-per-square inch of his body and a girl lose a leg at the shin.  So you can imagine how much of a c*nt this admin was being.
 
2013-04-28 02:18:14 PM
Switch hospitals and be sure to tell Sutter why, like the guy said above. Tell your OB why as well.

Somewhere within a mile of that hospital there is a child that needs removal from his family, but CPS will always go for the innocent people first.
 
2013-04-28 02:31:01 PM

Bunny Deville: Switch hospitals and be sure to tell Sutter why, like the guy said above. Tell your OB why as well.

Somewhere within a mile of that hospital there is a child that needs removal from his family, but CPS will always go for the innocent people first.


I've already left a message for my OB's office asking which other hospitals she is contracted with. I feel like I would get the same treatment if it was my sick kid because I DO have a background in medicine, and I have zero problem asking questions.

Granted, I won't just leave AMA without informing absolutely everyone of my intentions and signing paperwork. I think someone saw "abducted child" and got a stick up their arse. But I certainly do keep an eye on my medical professionals. Most are good but there's a few bad eggs in there.
 
2013-04-28 02:39:23 PM
I'm still wondering why, if they have Kaiser Permanente, they didn't go there in the first place.  Or why, if they don't have Kaiser Permanente, they were given a consultation there.
 
2013-04-28 03:15:22 PM
Sue the hospital and police, get a large settlement and ensure they can't afford to do it again.
 
2013-04-28 03:15:40 PM
I'm reading that whole thing with a 10 pound block of salt.  TFA is from a "Traditional Cultures nutrition" anti-doctor website.
 
2013-04-28 03:17:33 PM
It's another case of people doing shiat just because they can. See user name.
 
2013-04-28 03:18:40 PM
Hospital gets a baby born there with a heart murmur.
Hospital makes more money for constant outpatient care of child.
Hospital decides to make major money by doing heart surgery.
Parents pull kid out to get a second opinion and then get to experience Social services, child protection branch.

Parents will end up making about $2 million from lawsuit against the hospital for kidnapping their kid to perform what is deemed as unnecessary surgery that is forced on without outside medical advice.
 
2013-04-28 03:20:03 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid.


Go F&^% yourself.
 
2013-04-28 03:20:58 PM

Azlefty: Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid

Actually it is Sacramento County since they are in charge of CPS, the county is quite conservative like the rest of the Central Valley, to get the libby libs you have to go at least over to Solano County for that


You pathetic liar...
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2013-04-28 03:21:15 PM
Until I read the story, all I could think was "All the other hospital is going to say is 'Yes, it's a baby... here's your bill.'"

So yeah, it sounds like a petty bit of BS to me.  Doctors not liking that their opinions/diagnosis was questioned.
 
2013-04-28 03:21:53 PM

Speaker2Animals: I'd like to see something about this in some legitimate media outlet before I believe it.


It was on News10, our local ABC affiliate, and their reporting is generally quite good.
 
2013-04-28 03:23:13 PM
I'm curious as to if the parents are well insured. I know it's cynical.
 
2013-04-28 03:23:16 PM
This story is sad for the parents, but I'm honestly a little baffled at the irresponsibility of this writer actually suggesting you shouldn't take your sick children to the hospital. That is a dangerous and reckless thing to encourage... not all hospitals are such arseholes so for the love of god people TAKE YOUR SICK CHILDREN TO THE HOSPITAL.
 
2013-04-28 03:23:26 PM

FrancoFile: I'm reading that whole thing with a 10 pound block of salt.  TFA is from a "Traditional Cultures nutrition" anti-doctor website.


under "sources" they show the abc news article they plagiarized
http://www.news10.net/news/article/242734/2/Couple-fights-to-get-bab y- back-from-CPS-police
 
2013-04-28 03:25:22 PM

thamike: I'm still wondering why, if they have Kaiser Permanente, they didn't go there in the first place.  Or why, if they don't have Kaiser Permanente, they were given a consultation there.


That's an excellent question. Even if you get taken to a non-Kaiser ER, Kaiser is usually pretty good about getting you transferred to their facilities right quick.
 
2013-04-28 03:26:10 PM

sheep snorter: Hospital gets a baby born there with a heart murmur.
Hospital makes more money for constant outpatient care of child.
Hospital decides to make major money by doing heart surgery.
Parents pull kid out to get a second opinion and then get to experience Social services, child protection branch.

Parents will end up making about $2 million from lawsuit against the hospital for kidnapping their kid to perform what is deemed as unnecessary surgery that is forced on without outside medical advice.


heh
unless of course, we are missing details
the murmur got much worse, o2sat levels were diving and the baby was in danger of anoxia and death
so if it were "emergency" surgery to save the life, they probably have a defense.

so ... was the surgery done once the kids was stolen from the parents?
cause if not, well then, why was the kid taken from the parents???

/why isnt religious education or religions which ban modern medicine treated the same way? CLEAR and PRESENT danger to the children!!!
 
2013-04-28 03:28:14 PM

reklamfox: This story is sad for the parents, but I'm honestly a little baffled at the irresponsibility of this writer actually suggesting you shouldn't take your sick children to the hospital. That is a dangerous and reckless thing to encourage... not all hospitals are such arseholes so for the love of god people TAKE YOUR SICK CHILDREN TO THE HOSPITAL.


go a step further, how many people are actually informed enough about medicine to ACTUALLY make an informed decision? assuming no errors on the drs part.

of course in this case, this hospital was CLEARLY a dangerous place. drugs were being given without drs orders? lolwut?

/shudder dammed if we do, dammed if we dont
 
2013-04-28 03:28:27 PM
Children do not belong to their parents .  They don't own them.   Children belong to the community as a whole.

Send the billl for care to - MSNBC
 
2013-04-28 03:28:27 PM

kiwimoogle84: jehovahs witness protection: Well, it IS Kalifornia. That baby belongs to the community. Your argument is invalid.

Yeah, um, there's nothing wrong with California. Lived here my whole life and I love it. It has its problems but a few stupid comments in no way represent the views of the whole state. This is not what happened here, if you'd RTFA.



Problem is you've lived there all your life, so you don't know any better. California is a pimple on the backside of the USA
 
2013-04-28 03:29:51 PM

namatad: /why isnt religious education or religions which ban modern medicine treated the same way?


They frequently are.  Problem is that they are secretive and often nobody else knows about it until it's too late.  One of my professors broke a story about Korean Christian exorcisms in the DC metro area.  These exorcisms are always traumatic, usually painful, and sometimes deadly.  And they're done for the most absurd reasons.  So, there's been a crackdown of sorts.
 
2013-04-28 03:31:39 PM
Having dealt with CPS due to a vindictive daycare worker, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
Actually, it our case, the CPS worker and the cops saw right through the bullshiat right away and the kids went nowhere. Well, except to a different day care center from that day forward.

/said daycare worker was pissed that I brought it to the owner's attention that she was falsifying incident reports
//by crossing out her own child's name and inserting our daughter's name on any report where one kid hit/bit/kicked another
 
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