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(The Daily Caller)   The same drug companies which market products on TV commercials object to the federal government giving doctors data on how effective those drugs are   (dailycaller.com) divider line 81
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2013-04-27 05:00:59 PM
""evidence-based research findings"? What kind of way is that to measure anything?
 
2013-04-27 05:32:31 PM
Pfizer CEO Ian Read strongly agreed with remarks calling the program a conflict of interest

Meh, I don't see it as such. More of a counter balance to the Pfizer reps flogging their high priced drugs.

/Also, I have to hear about this by clicking on a DC piece?
//Really, mods, really?
 
2013-04-27 05:44:54 PM
I am so TIRED of this shiat.
so tired

simplicimus: ""evidence-based research findings"? What kind of way is that to measure anything?


THIS and ONLY THIS

/probably time to start cock punching people who have trouble with reality.
/PUNCH - do you see it now?
/PUNCH - what about now?
 
2013-04-27 06:01:21 PM

quatchi: Pfizer CEO Ian Read strongly agreed with remarks calling the program a conflict of interest

Meh, I don't see it as such. More of a counter balance to the Pfizer reps flogging their high priced drugs.

/Also, I have to hear about this by clicking on a DC piece?
//Really, mods, really?


files.list.co.uk
 
2013-04-27 06:01:33 PM
"And the Daily Caller has a problem with this . . ."

*clicks link*

Title bar in Firefox: "Obama . . ."

Yup, I was right.
 
2013-04-27 06:07:05 PM

FTA: Pfizer CEO Ian Read strongly agreed with remarks calling the program a conflict of interest


Yeah, Pfizer should just go back to advertising drugs for uses other than the ones approved by the FDA.

 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a4yV1nYxCGoA

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2012/December/12-civ-1488.html

/The fact they're going to DC with this isn't helping their credibility either
 
2013-04-27 06:09:49 PM
FTA:   Critics view the academic detailing project as a conflict-of-interest because it allows the federal government - which has an incentive under Obamacare to keep health care costs low - to guide doctors toward choosing cheaper generic drugs for their patients.

 How dare the government look for ways to spend less money without compromising quality of service!!!
 
2013-04-27 06:13:55 PM
The government DRUG COMPANIES has an incentive to encourage physicians to prescribe cheaper MORE EXPENSIVE generic drugs to save MAKE money. So when these academic detailers PHARMACEUTICAL REPS go into doctors' offices, they have the same inherent conflict of interest," Steir said.

One the one hand, we have someone trying to make as much money as they can by selling drugs whose side effects may be worse than the problems they're supposed to fix.

On the other hand, we have some public employee schlub who's got a briefcase full of evidence on which drugs actually work, an no reason to lie whatsoever because his paychecks not going to change either way.  If anything, he has an incentive to be more truthful, because hey - maybe it's his own doc he's talking to.

Who to trust, who to trust ...
 
2013-04-27 06:14:22 PM

simplicimus: ""evidence-based research findings"? What kind of way is that to measure anything?


You must be an EMS Medical director. Still required to Back Board and collar people even though it is proven to be more harmful than not back boarding people.
 
2013-04-27 06:16:09 PM

Skwach: FTA:   Critics view the academic detailing project as a conflict-of-interest because it allows the federal government - which has an incentive under Obamacare to keep health care costs low - to guide doctors toward choosing cheaper generic drugs for their patients.

 How dare the government look for ways to spend less money without compromising quality of service!!!


I can't find any possible way to reconcile the bolded statement as a "conflict of interest". As best I can tell it is exactly the opposite.
 
2013-04-27 06:17:14 PM

A Shambling Mound: I can't find any possible way to reconcile the bolded statement as a "conflict of interest".


It conflicts with Pfizer's interests.
 
2013-04-27 06:17:52 PM
Ahh, the PPACA (or as I like to call it, Big Pharm Bailout) strikes again.
 
2013-04-27 06:26:30 PM

ole prophet: Ahh, the PPACA (or as I like to call it, Big Pharm Bailout) strikes again.


How so?

Did you actually read the article? Big Pharm is complaining that Obamacare is going to favor the generic drug companies because they're cheaper. Which I thought was what we wanted these government programs to do.
 
2013-04-27 06:28:58 PM
It doesn't have to be effective as long as it comes with lunch delivered everyday for the clinic and a couple Caribbean vacations a year for the doctors.
 
2013-04-27 06:35:45 PM

A Shambling Mound: Skwach: FTA:   Critics view the academic detailing project as a conflict-of-interest because it allows the federal government - which has an incentive under Obamacare to keep health care costs low - to guide doctors toward choosing cheaper generic drugs for their patients.

 How dare the government look for ways to spend less money without compromising quality of service!!!

I can't find any possible way to reconcile the bolded statement as a "conflict of interest". As best I can tell it is exactly the opposite.


It's a conflict of interest because Pfizer can't profit off of it.
 
2013-04-27 06:42:18 PM

A Shambling Mound: I can't find any possible way to reconcile the bolded statement as a "conflict of interest". As best I can tell it is exactly the opposite.


It's a conflict. While the government is interested in keeping doctors informed so patients get the best health care possible, they're also interested keeping costs low in these tight fiscal times. Hypothetically, the government could make recommendations of certain drugs for the sake of saving money rather than the best treatment for a patient.

That being said, it's not a particularly convincing argument when uttered by the likes of Pfizer.
 
2013-04-27 06:47:25 PM
The only joy in life television commercials have ever given me is how pharmaceutical companies are forced by law to verbally list all the horrible side effects of their products during their ads.
 
2013-04-27 06:51:09 PM

dookdookdook: The only joy in life television commercials have ever given me is how pharmaceutical companies are forced by law to verbally list all the horrible side effects of their products during their ads.


The seems like three years of yaz recall ads amuse me too.
 
2013-04-27 06:51:22 PM
I can't possibly be expected to form an opinion on this subject until I've been given several dozen free pens and Italian or BBQ lunch from one of my local restaurants that caters.
 
2013-04-27 06:53:06 PM

dookdookdook: The only joy in life television commercials have ever given me is how pharmaceutical companies are forced by law to verbally list all the horrible side effects of their products during their ads.


Yeah some of those are god awful. Like the arthritis med that can give you cancer or the psoriasis stuff that can suppress your immune system. o.O
 
2013-04-27 06:57:25 PM
namatad

I am so TIRED of this shiat.
so tired

"evidence-based research findings"? What kind of way is that to measure anything?

THIS and ONLY THIS

/probably time to start cock punching people who have trouble with reality.
/PUNCH - do you see it now?
/PUNCH - what about now?


You just made my Hero list.

It does get so very, very tiring to have to put up with major corporations and the government squabbling endlessly about how to make sure the peons (meaning the general population) actually get good stuff and not screwed every way possible.

Example: The Corvair. Unsafe at any speed. The Pinto. The SUV equipped with exploding tires. Over priced, bottled tap water with glorious, colorful labels showing natural springs printed on them. Eggo's -- the plastic, whole egg cooker that's more of a pain in the arse to use than simply boiling and peeling eggs. -- It consists of 5 parts and the inside has to be oiled before use.
Consider Excedrin Migraine Tablets, about $11.00 for 100. Aside from the name, they're the same as Excedrin Extra Strength, at $8.00 for 100. Wal-Mart brand Equate headache tablets, extra strength, contain the exact same ingredients and go at $5.00 for 100.

Your physician can prescribe you prescription strength Ibuprophin (Motrin) for which you'll pay a stiff price. Yet, for less than half as much, you can buy an OTC bottle and just take 3 tablets instead of 2. No prescription needed either. (A store pharmacist pointed that out to me.)

I'm tired of being lied to. I'm tired of not so good products being hyped as the best thing ever.

Most bug spray companies spray your home for a stiff fee. They use chemicals heavily diluted down, so it's best if they return every few months. You can buy the same chemicals from a chemical supply store, with instructions, mix them in a cheap pressure sprayer and do your home yourself at a fraction of the cost.

You'll find that instead of having the bug spray company come in once a month, you'll need to spray about once a year. You can also buy the spray used to drive roaches out from cracks.

BTW. So long as you follow the instructions, your DIY spraying is no more hazardous than that done by a company. (I've done it.)

In most places your house is treated for termites before the slab is laid. The chemicals are very dangerous. What you aren't told is that often the treatment company dumps in bags of cat litter, used to sop up other hazardous chemical spills, instead of disposing of them in a hazardous chemical site, where they have to pay. So many of you, under your slab, have a witches brew of chemicals.

According to the makers of most antidepressant medications, only maybe 4% of users experience a decrease in sexual function. In reality, it's 90%. (I learned this from medical physicians and psychiatrists.)

Ever buy some electric kitchen device that's been heavily advertised -- and find they give you about 8 inches of cord? You have to dig up an extension cord. They save money by trimming off the other 16 inches they used to put on. Copper is expensive.

Did you know that a desktop PC's HD will last longer than that of a laptop? Why? Heat. The desktop gets more ventilation plus the HD is bigger, allowing better cooling. Mine has lasted since 2005. The expensive laptop I have lasted 3 years before the drive started showing dead sectors. (The precursor to burning out.) My big desktop is still going strong.

There was a huge fight decades ago when the government mandated lead being taken out of paint because it had this tendency to sicken and kill people. Paint companies wailed and beat their chests about how they'd go broke. Well, they didn't.

There was a similar fuss over lead being removed from gas -- after the government found it was basically poisoning everything. Car makers designed better motors.

When it comes to profits VS you and your health, you will mostly loose until the government steps in.

The Truth in Labeling laws on processed foods probably saved the lives of millions and enables you to make good choices today -- though companies fought that law tooth and nail.

Most of you will not recall, but a car used to be considered worn out at 60,000 miles. Actually, around 40,000 and it would start falling apart, requiring many repairs. Most older cars smoked, leaked oil and transmission fluid and their radiators rusted out. (They got about 8 mpg also.) Car makers encouraged you buying a new car every two years.

It took the Japanese introducing a high mileage car and the government getting involved to give you a car that can go well over 100,000 miles without the engine falling out.

I used to make furniture from scrap wood to sell at a flea market. Another guy did the same, only his work was by far better than mine. I didn't like it, but I wasn't going to try and get him kicked out of the flea market or start some slander to try and ruin his business or -- now days -- slap some frivolous lawsuit against him.

Companies today will fight tooth and nail to sell defective or inferior products and to keep the public from finding out how shiatty their products are.

I'm tired of being lied to.
 
2013-04-27 07:00:33 PM

dookdookdook: The only joy in life television commercials have ever given me is how pharmaceutical companies are forced by law to verbally list all the horrible side effects of their products during their ads.


Considering JibJab seems to have all their other old videos up, I'm convinced they took money (you guess from whom) to take this one down, but always a fun video, even if the Youtube copy is rather shiatty. The Drugs I Need.
 
2013-04-27 07:03:30 PM

A Terrible Human: dookdookdook: The only joy in life television commercials have ever given me is how pharmaceutical companies are forced by law to verbally list all the horrible side effects of their products during their ads.

Yeah some of those are god awful. Like the arthritis med that can give you cancer or the psoriasis stuff that can suppress your immune system. o.O


Arthritis and psoriasis are both autoimmune conditions where the immune system attacks the self.  The goal of these meds (humara and enbrel, respectively) is to decrease the immune system response.  Lymphoma can happen when immune system surveillance is lowered in rare instances.
 
2013-04-27 07:04:15 PM

dookdookdook: The only joy in life television commercials have ever given me is how pharmaceutical companies are forced by law to verbally list all the horrible side effects of their products during their ads.


images2.wikia.nocookie.net

Getting a real kick, etc.

/Also hot.
 
2013-04-27 07:10:42 PM

dookdookdook: The only joy in life television commercials have ever given me is how pharmaceutical companies are forced by law to verbally list all the horrible side effects of their products during their ads.


My pharmaceutical commercial joy comes from the drug AcipHex (pronounced Ass FX) which is a PPI for acid reflux. Why Eisai and Janssen Pharmaceuticals chose that name out of the ones offered by the FDA is beyond me. It certainly is a memorable name...but come on.
 
2013-04-27 07:15:09 PM

Rik01: Companies today will fight tooth and nail to sell defective or inferior products and to keep the public from finding out how shiatty their products are.

I'm tired of being lied to.


Plus one. Long post, but would read again.
 
2013-04-27 07:16:51 PM

A Shambling Mound: Skwach: FTA:   Critics view the academic detailing project as a conflict-of-interest because it allows the federal government - which has an incentive under Obamacare to keep health care costs low - to guide doctors toward choosing cheaper generic drugs for their patients.

 How dare the government look for ways to spend less money without compromising quality of service!!!

I can't find any possible way to reconcile the bolded statement as a "conflict of interest". As best I can tell it is exactly the opposite.


I think it's part of the mindset where mentioning a large and growing income gap is "class warfare" and is shameful.
 
2013-04-27 07:17:23 PM
No, Big Pharma. You people having complete control over the flow of information about your products to doctors is a conflict of interest.
 
2013-04-27 07:23:44 PM
And furthermore, all that spoken lawyer boilerplate in those TV ads for prescription drugs should be put to music.

So when you command your physician to listen to your self diagnosis about kidney disease, compromised immune system, pregnancy, glaucoma, hepatitus, exotic fungal infection, STD, resperatory infection, spelling deficiency and whatever else Viagra, as an example, requires you to do before you ask your physician -- you'll have a song in your heart.

Possibly by humming the tune from the ad, the doctor will be able to figure out what pill you want.
 
2013-04-27 07:24:01 PM

Rik01: I'm tired of being lied to.


*golf clap*
 
2013-04-27 07:44:52 PM
I was a part of the Big Pharma system for years. Doctors switched me around on 40 or 50 different medications that caused hellish side effects that are not even worth mentioning here. I experienced pure, unbridled hell, and paid anywhere between $500 and $2,000 out of pocket a month to do so. The severity of the side effects overshadowed my original condition and ultimately made it worse, landing me in the hospital 6 times.

Also, Yaz almost killed a family member. fark YOU BIG PHARMA, STFU and DIAF.

I've since switched over to careful dietary habits, acupuncture, and Chinese Medicine. I pay between $50-$100 a month to keep my condition in check. I feel better than ever. 2 of my former (western medicine) doctors went so far as to call me a "fool" for seeking alternative treatment. WHO'S THE FOOL NOW, HUH??

This policy is great! Go fark yourself Pfizer!
 
2013-04-27 07:51:04 PM

GoodHomer: It's a conflict. While the government is interested in keeping doctors informed so patients get the best health care possible, they're also interested keeping costs low in these tight fiscal times. Hypothetically, the government could make recommendations of certain drugs for the sake of saving money rather than the best treatment for a patient.


You don't need to say "hypothetically."  The government does this every day.  Right now they only have the authority to do it to patients with Medicare and Medicaid.  If there's a drug that's 50% more effective and 10% more expensive, they won't pay for it.

The number one difference with medication efficacy between comparable products is patient compliance, which is tied very closely to dosing regimen and side effect profile.  Assume Drug A and Drug B are different formulations of the exact same drug, where Drug B is an extended release medication that you can take once a day.  It provides a steady delivery of the active medication over a 22-28 hour period.  Drug A is the original formulation that has to be taken every six hours; and really, it peaks at two hours and really tapers off between hours 4 and 6.  You can make your own scenario where one drug is just better tolerated, but the side effects aren't really dangerous.  Officially, they're equally effective.  In reality, Drug B is far better.
 
2013-04-27 07:55:32 PM

Mrtraveler01: Did you actually read the article? Big Pharm is complaining that Obamacare is going to favor the generic drug companies because they're cheaper. Which I thought was what we wanted these government programs to do.


It's already what we do at the VA and I can't even quantify how much it saves us across the board. Our $14,000,000 yearly budget just for our pharmacy program would easily be double or triple the cost. Requests for non-formulary meds are rare and must be documented that there is no other generic alternative or patient has adverse reactions to other medications etc.

From seeing what we paid at a retail pharmacy to where I am now? We could honestly shave several percentage points off total healthcare in the US overnight.

And if people are worried about quality of generics, they are welcome to deal with my daily list of recalls that mostly involve Big Pharma.
 
2013-04-27 08:02:11 PM

my alt's alt's alt: I was a part of the Big Pharma system for years. Doctors switched me around on 40 or 50 different medications that caused hellish side effects that are not even worth mentioning here. I experienced pure, unbridled hell, and paid anywhere between $500 and $2,000 out of pocket a month to do so. The severity of the side effects overshadowed my original condition and ultimately made it worse, landing me in the hospital 6 times.

Also, Yaz almost killed a family member. fark YOU BIG PHARMA, STFU and DIAF.

I've since switched over to careful dietary habits, acupuncture, and Chinese Medicine. I pay between $50-$100 a month to keep my condition in check. I feel better than ever. 2 of my former (western medicine) doctors went so far as to call me a "fool" for seeking alternative treatment. WHO'S THE FOOL NOW, HUH??

This policy is great! Go fark yourself Pfizer!


Acupuncture is a placebo, fyi.

Thought i would save you some money.
 
2013-04-27 08:13:18 PM
imageshack.us
 
2013-04-27 08:17:23 PM
There was a time that in America, pharmaceutical companies were banned from DTCA (direct to consumer advertising). Somewhere along the line, this sensible regulation was removed and now we are one of the few developed countries who do not restrict the practice.

The result is misleading advertising and a shrinking amount of R&D in favor of bloated advertising to consumers who wind up telling their doctors what medication they should take instead of the other way around.

Meanwhile our tax dollars are subsidizing R&D.

Add it all up and you can see that the invisible hand of the free market is only good when it involves accounts payable, not accounts receivable. And there will never be a cure for cancer.

But that does ensure a Fark meme will thrive indefinitely. So there's that.
 
2013-04-27 08:17:53 PM
The drug companies send out pretty, young, ex-cheerleaders to display their "evidence-based research findings."
 
2013-04-27 08:18:52 PM

NYCNative: There was a time that in America, pharmaceutical companies were banned from DTCA (direct to consumer advertising). Somewhere along the line, this sensible regulation was removed and now we are one of the few developed countries who do not restrict the practice.

The result is misleading advertising and a shrinking amount of R&D in favor of bloated advertising to consumers who wind up telling their doctors what medication they should take instead of the other way around.


You sound like you have Restless Brain Syndrome. We can clear that right up.
 
2013-04-27 08:21:53 PM
"Critics view the academic detailing project as a conflict-of-interest because it allows the federal government - which has an incentive under Obamacare to keep health care costs low - to guide doctors toward choosing cheaper generic drugs for their patients."

Um, is it really a conflict of interest to steer doctors towards cheaper generics if it's the same damn drug? Of course they're using "evidence-based research findings", and that just sounds spoooooky. Almost as scary as the list of side effects on all the drug commercials. My fave of the day, "...may cause enlarged or painful breasts..."  That was for one of those testosterone drugs for men. Large painful breasts.  Sounds great.  I'll take two.

I'm just glad I have a doctor who isn't a pill pusher. He only prescribes as a last resort. My previous doctor had me so over-medicated that I was on the verge of fainting if I bent over to tie my shoes. All she ever did was write prescriptions.
 
2013-04-27 08:24:32 PM

Doc Lee: A Terrible Human: dookdookdook: The only joy in life television commercials have ever given me is how pharmaceutical companies are forced by law to verbally list all the horrible side effects of their products during their ads.

Yeah some of those are god awful. Like the arthritis med that can give you cancer or the psoriasis stuff that can suppress your immune system. o.O

Arthritis and psoriasis are both autoimmune conditions where the immune system attacks the self.  The goal of these meds (humara and enbrel, respectively) is to decrease the immune system response.  Lymphoma can happen when immune system surveillance is lowered in rare instances.


And most of the patients are told that this is a possible side effect. If you would like to sue call 1-555-Bad-Drug.

I am not saying that there are not bad drugs out there, I know there are, but if you are told that so and so will likely make your life better but you could suffer such and such side effect you are making an informed decision. I consider that something that you shouldn't be able to sue over.
 
2013-04-27 08:25:28 PM
Rik01According to the makers of most antidepressant medications, only maybe 4% of users experience a decrease in sexual function. In reality, it's 90%. (I learned this from medical physicians and psychiatrists.) "
Lucky you.  I learned from first hand experience on Cymbalta.  I found that even more depressing than I was before. Now i't's being marketed as a painkiller. Some people are in for a surprise.
 
2013-04-27 08:26:35 PM

simplicimus: Rik01According to the makers of most antidepressant medications, only maybe 4% of users experience a decrease in sexual function. In reality, it's 90%. (I learned this from medical physicians and psychiatrists.) "
Lucky you.  I learned from first hand experience on Cymbalta.  I found that even more depressing than I was before. Now i't's being marketed as a painkiller. Some people are in for a surprise.


Cymbalta made me able to fark like I did at 21. I am serious, hard as steel and lasting for hours.
 
2013-04-27 08:27:37 PM

Smackledorfer: my alt's alt's alt: I was a part of the Big Pharma system for years. Doctors switched me around on 40 or 50 different medications that caused hellish side effects that are not even worth mentioning here. I experienced pure, unbridled hell, and paid anywhere between $500 and $2,000 out of pocket a month to do so. The severity of the side effects overshadowed my original condition and ultimately made it worse, landing me in the hospital 6 times.

Also, Yaz almost killed a family member. fark YOU BIG PHARMA, STFU and DIAF.

I've since switched over to careful dietary habits, acupuncture, and Chinese Medicine. I pay between $50-$100 a month to keep my condition in check. I feel better than ever. 2 of my former (western medicine) doctors went so far as to call me a "fool" for seeking alternative treatment. WHO'S THE FOOL NOW, HUH??

This policy is great! Go fark yourself Pfizer!

Acupuncture is a placebo, fyi.

Thought i would save you some money.


The placebo effect is still an effect.  But if acupuncture stops being effective, there are two easy ways that have been proven to make it more effective again: pay more, or switch to sham acupuncture.
 
2013-04-27 08:28:46 PM
And thus the government take over of medicine inches forward but you're just being paranoid to think that's precisely what Obama wants to do.
 
2013-04-27 08:31:16 PM

simplicimus: Rik01According to the makers of most antidepressant medications, only maybe 4% of users experience a decrease in sexual function. In reality, it's 90%. (I learned this from medical physicians and psychiatrists.) "
Lucky you.  I learned from first hand experience on Cymbalta.  I found that even more depressing than I was before. Now i't's being marketed as a painkiller. Some people are in for a surprise.


Honestly, if you're depressed enough that you're seeking medical help for it, a decrease in sexual function is an even trade for not yearning for the sweet release of death every minute of every day. They should probably do more intensive checks on "depressed" patients before prescribing anything, to be honest.
 
2013-04-27 08:31:43 PM

randomjsa: And thus the government take over of medicine inches forward but you're just being paranoid to think that's precisely what Obama wants to do.


Yes, Obama and his divisions of LiberalHomoAbortionists are standing at the gates of Pfizer as we speak ready to wrest the means of productions from the evil plutocrats. It is truly chilling.
 
2013-04-27 08:37:46 PM

Rik01: Did you know that a desktop PC's HD will last longer than that of a laptop? Why? Heat. The desktop gets more ventilation plus the HD is bigger, allowing better cooling. Mine has lasted since 2005. The expensive laptop I have lasted 3 years before the drive started showing dead sectors. (The precursor to burning out.) My big desktop is still going strong.


That's not a big company being a dick like the rest of your examples though.  That's plain old engineering challenges.

To fit a drive in a laptop, it has to be much, much, much smaller and slimmer than a desktop drive.  Also denser platters to fit the same data storage.  The smaller size results in more heat, and then it's impossible to make a casing with anywhere near the ventilation of a desktop.  Desktops generally have a front vent with a fan blowing right over the drive cage.  Laptops typically have to rely on the CPU fan for nearly all air movement to keep noise down. Companies do the best they can, but it's a peril of the form.

The other thing that makes laptop drives wear out so much faster is increased vibration and impact.  Hell, just typing, since the drive is under the keyboard, never mind picking up and moving it while on, tossing it around even turned off, it's a miracle they last as long as they do when you consider the delicacy of the mechanisms and the pounding they take.

This is why the solid state revolution is so awesome.  SSDs run much cooler and are impervious to vibration and impact, so they'll last equally well in a laptop and a desktop.  I love the hell out of mine.
 
2013-04-27 08:46:40 PM
Few things disgust me more than Big Pharma's television commercials. When one thinks about it logically, there's no reason for a mass medium to be used to pitch something that can be useful to only a fraction of a fraction of a mass audience.
And even then, the product is obtainable only through a qualified third party.
And yet Big Pharma continues to advertise. At great cost. If it thinks the cost is worth it, I hate to consider what they're getting out of it -- and how we, therefore, are getting screwed.
 
2013-04-27 09:00:32 PM
Since drug companies own the US government you can guess what will happen.
 
2013-04-27 09:09:24 PM
Frankly, I think the Doctors would be better served by not having to listen to all these idiots who watched TV commercials and felt like showing off their medical knowledge by "asking their doctors about <X>"
 
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