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(The Business Journals)   And lo, the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars, for yea and verily Jimmy Carter had said nice things about George W. Bush and meant it   (bizjournals.com ) divider line
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2013-04-27 11:50:24 AM  
That's the difference between the right wingers and everyone else.

The modern RW has not a single kind thing to say - ever - about an opponent, or else it's excommunication time.

Everyone else can, after some digging, grudgingly fess up maybe one or two picayune
little positives about an opponent.

/pulled out of ass based on observation, so shutup, opinion, First Amendment.
 
2013-04-27 11:57:47 AM  
But, but, he's History's Greatest Monster!

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2013-04-27 12:12:30 PM  
But Carter was the worst president ever until Clinton and Obama came along, so we're just going to ignore his "kind" words. Besides, it was probably a backhanded compliment anyway. -GOP
 
2013-04-27 12:55:08 PM  
George W. Bush is a much better painter than I am.  Also, he has some really nice neckties, and his shoe-dodging skills are outstanding, I bet he kicked ass in dodge ball.
 
2013-04-27 03:37:32 PM  

FloydA: George W. Bush is a much better painter than I am.  Also, he has some really nice neckties, and his shoe-dodging skills are outstanding, I bet he kicked ass in dodge ball.


He could really clear him some brush too.

thelintscreen.com

Just look at that technique.
 
2013-04-27 05:12:11 PM  
It's nice to know that, with all that happened under the Bush Administration, the BEST thing he did involves another continent altogether, and what he did is nothing, relatively speaking, to the work being done by the Gates family.
 
2013-04-27 05:12:26 PM  
We can prevaricate, but Bush II had one of the most remarkable abilities to make children feel like they were speaking to a peer.
 
2013-04-27 05:14:31 PM  

LookForTheArrow: We can prevaricate, but Bush II had one of the most remarkable abilities to make children feel like they were speaking to a peer.


Which is a fantastic skill to have in politics where you're pandering to shiat flinging children on either side of the aisle.
 
2013-04-27 05:16:52 PM  
Jimmy Carter is easily the most truly Christian president we've ever had, yet roundly loathed by right wingers who claim to be Christians.
 
2013-04-27 05:19:27 PM  
He didn't destroy everything he touched.
 
2013-04-27 05:22:56 PM  
George W. Bush was truly shiat as president. The "torture is OK by me president" is our worst chief executive.

War in Iraq that killed 100,000s (lies)
FEMA and Katrina failures (graft, incompetence and lies)
Budget surplus (squandered and lies)
Medicare prescription expense to drive up costs and benefit Big Pharma (lies)
Tax cuts that foreclosed workers' homes to give them to the wealthy (lies)

Basically, every time the G. W.  Bush administration came out with a report, you knew that it was going to involve some kind of fraud, and the only question was which kind and where. I don't give a shiat about the liar's library. He can go paint his pictures and cram the oxycontin up where the sun does not shine, but my only suggestion is our congress needs to send G. W. Bush to Europe and be tried for war crimes.
 
2013-04-27 05:23:16 PM  

sinanju: Jimmy Carter is easily the most truly Christian president we've ever had, yet roundly loathed by right wingers who claim to be Christians.


The Christian Right is neither Christian nor right.

Discuss.
 
2013-04-27 05:25:28 PM  
His having thrown a bone to Africa allows Carter (and Bono, apparently) to say one nice thing about George W. Bush.

Bush was president for eight years, and the only nice thing anyone has to say about him is that he spent some money in Africa.

Nice job asshole.
 
2013-04-27 05:26:44 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: LookForTheArrow: We can prevaricate, but Bush II had one of the most remarkable abilities to make children feel like they were speaking to a peer.

Which is a fantastic skill to have in politics where you're pandering to shiat flinging children on either side of the aisle.



Unless we went to wildly different kindergardens (likely), seeems like all the best moderators of child-like activity espouse maturity, so as a decider here on fark you must certainly sense i have a megazillion times more of it then the other decidees in this thread.

/mission accomplished.
 
2013-04-27 05:36:42 PM  
*reads headline*

Africa.

*clicks link*

Eeyup.

Can't feel too proud there. I mean it's not like there's a second thing Bush did right.
 
2013-04-27 05:46:41 PM  
So much hate...shame
 
2013-04-27 05:51:23 PM  

quatchi: *reads headline*

Africa.

*clicks link*

Eeyup.

Can't feel too proud there. I mean it's not like there's a second thing Bush did right.


There are a few more that come to mind.

He tried to calm the Islamophobia hysteria after 9/11 which is more than we expect from modern-day Republicans.

He also did a really good job at helping the GOP connect with Latino voters. Of course the GOP pissed that all away after he left office.

But outside of that...I'm stumped.
 
2013-04-27 05:55:15 PM  

bayoubruce: So much hate... shame


FTFY
 
2013-04-27 05:59:14 PM  

Mrtraveler01: But outside of that...I'm stumped.


So are a lot of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans.

Quite frankly, even the few good things that George W. Bush did - and mind you, there were some good things - do not even come close to making up for the fact that thousands of lives were wasted, and hundreds of thousands of lives were left crippled, because of the deliberate and intentional actions by him and his administration solely for personal gain.
 
2013-04-27 05:59:32 PM  

sinanju: Jimmy Carter is easily the most truly Christian president we've ever had, yet roundly loathed by right wingers who claim to be Christians.


This just frikking blows my mind

/it really needs to be pointed out over and over again
//WTF is wrong with these people?
 
2013-04-27 06:08:23 PM  

Kome: Mrtraveler01: But outside of that...I'm stumped.

So are a lot of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans.

Quite frankly, even the few good things that George W. Bush did - and mind you, there were some good things - do not even come close to making up for the fact that thousands of lives were wasted, and hundreds of thousands of lives were left crippled, because of the deliberate and intentional actions by him and his administration solely for personal gain.


I agree, the three that I listed are literally the only positive accomplishments I could think of regarding Bush.
 
2013-04-27 06:09:25 PM  
That's because unlike so many people who call themselves "christians" who make it their business to find fault in everyone but themselves, Carter is more of a real christian who chooses to find the good in people instead. Of course he's not perfect himself, but at least he walks the talk.
 
2013-04-27 06:14:02 PM  
What imagine Carter said: "Bush wants to let history be the judge, Well bless his heart"
 
2013-04-27 06:16:18 PM  
"As has already been mentioned, he increased his assistance to Africa until the time he went into office to more than $90 billion," Carter said."

So wait a sec. He opens up the cash flow to OogaBoogaLand for some third world dictators to buy themselves new palaces, while Americans end up losing their homes and Marines get blown up in Baghdad?

Priorities, you peanut-pooping Jethro. Priorities!
 
2013-04-27 06:18:59 PM  
Delay: The "torture is OK by me president" is our worst chief executive.

Do you mean Obama or Bush? I am confused...

Because you do know that the CIA still does the same shiat, just it isn't as publicized. They just do it in other countries, kind of like outsourcing
 
2013-04-27 06:20:34 PM  
Jimmy Carter can probably find something good to say about anyone. That's just the sort of person he is, and apparently unlike any world leader  ever it's somehow not an act or a political thing. Jimmy Carter's just a nice guy.

Now, is a nice guy a good thing for a President to be? Apparently not? But for ex-Presidents I'll take Jimmy Carter over any of them, because if he were Catholic they'd make the guy a saint. That's ignoring any True Scotsman bullshiat about other religious people and their bonafides, Carter's not about his religion he's about doing what he thinks is... good, not best. It's a shame that nations don't run on goodness, that political realities don't mesh with that, but that's just how it is.  I really do think Carter's probably been the best diplomat the US has ever had since Benjamin Franklin, selling a picture of the United States in himself that might not be the clearest or most accurate representation of who we are but it's definitely the sort of thing we all wish we'd be seen as around the world.
 
2013-04-27 06:25:59 PM  

machoprogrammer: Delay: The "torture is OK by me president" is our worst chief executive.

Do you mean Obama or Bush? I am confused...

Because you do know that the CIA still does the same shiat, just it isn't as publicized. They just do it in other countries, kind of like outsourcing


I am by no means happy with this administration's record in that regard, but there is simply no comparison with the previous administration. The blatant and unapologetic use of torture, without so much as a gloss of shame, was very different in degree if not in kind.
 
2013-04-27 06:34:00 PM  
Bush created the world's largest marine protected area off of Hawaii. So that's two good things Bush things policy wise. Apparently it only happened because of a documentary by Jacques Cousteau that Bush saw. I wonder if Dick Cheney clamped down on what Bush was allowed to watch after he created that park.
 
2013-04-27 06:44:53 PM  
Carter's been the most religious and Christian president we've ever had. I don't recall him saying bad things about anyone who wasn't absolute scum.
 
2013-04-27 07:04:53 PM  

Kittypie070: That's the difference between the right wingers and everyone else.

The modern RW has not a single kind thing to say - ever - about an opponent, or else it's excommunication time.

Everyone else can, after some digging, grudgingly fess up maybe one or two picayune
little positives about an opponent.

/pulled out of ass based on observation, so shutup, opinion, First Amendment.


I especially enjoyed when governor Chris Christie said "Obama, I do prefer my state not be underwater," and the right wing tore him a new one for not complaining more.
 
2013-04-27 07:09:20 PM  
Well 'Carter the savior of humanity' is slightly closer to the rest this time. But he is still pissed at that Traitor Reagan swiping his job(reagans iran hostages backdoor deals)

i.imgur.com
Two Bush's staring off to the right, Checking out Michelle.
Hmm I thought President Gore was outside the window in another photo??
 
2013-04-27 07:38:46 PM  
Jimmy Carter is a better man than I am. Following my mother's advice, I have nothing at all to say about our former President.
 
2013-04-27 08:42:50 PM  

sinanju: Jimmy Carter is easily the most truly Christian president we've ever had, yet roundly loathed by right wingers who claim to be Christians.


With an outstanding military history and a successful business man.

No wonder the GOPpers hated him.
 
2013-04-27 08:58:48 PM  
Well, it's true. He was a really good President for Africans.
 
2013-04-27 09:25:59 PM  

MisterMook: Jimmy Carter can probably find something good to say about anyone.


True enough. He even found nice things to say about Ceausescu and Mugabe. The official remarks from those two monsters' visits to the White House during the Carter administration are pure "the president said WHAT?" awkward gold.

I think he at least drew the line at Idi Amin.

Carter gets things wonderfully right from time to time - Habitat for Humanity and guinea-worm eradication to name a couple - but as a judge of foreign leaders' character he can be relied upon to run straight into the arms of the nearest tyrannical dipshiat.

And the sales pitch for Carter is that he was different from his predecessors and successors who'd lie down with any old dictator who acted in American interests. I don't see it. He talked a good game on human rights, but Carter looked the other way while South Korean dictatorships were cracking down on democracy protests, and while Pol Pot was massacring people - same as his predecessors. We sold arms to the genocidal Suharto dictatorship for decades, including during the Carter years. Carter, just like his predecessors, sucked up to tyrants like Ceausescu and Tito because they could get away with flipping the bird at the Soviets (if only because the Soviets didn't really give two shiats).

Are we sure Henry Kissinger actually left the White House in the late 70's?
 
2013-04-27 11:09:02 PM  

BMulligan: machoprogrammer: Delay: The "torture is OK by me president" is our worst chief executive.

Do you mean Obama or Bush? I am confused...

Because you do know that the CIA still does the same shiat, just it isn't as publicized. They just do it in other countries, kind of like outsourcing

I am by no means happy with this administration's record in that regard, but there is simply no comparison with the previous administration. The blatant and unapologetic use of torture, without so much as a gloss of shame, was very different in degree if not in kind.


Oh, I disagree. Not that Bush was a saint or anything (I think he was a piece of crap), but the guy who does it (or pays another country to do it for him) then pretends not to (and takes the "high ground") is just as bad, if not worse, than the guy who openly admits to it.
 
2013-04-27 11:15:06 PM  

sheep snorter: . But he is still pissed at that Traitor Reagan swiping his job(reagans iran hostages backdoor deals)


From what he has said in interviews and the like, he's more happy that he was able to negotiate their release than sore over losing his second term.  Which is really, well, decent of him.

I think he was probably our most decent president.
 
2013-04-27 11:40:33 PM  

sendtodave: sheep snorter: . But he is still pissed at that Traitor Reagan swiping his job(reagans iran hostages backdoor deals)

From what he has said in interviews and the like, he's more happy that he was able to negotiate their release than sore over losing his second term.  Which is really, well, decent of him.

I think he was probably our most decent president.


He was too good of a human being to be president. His downfall was being a genuine good person. I mean, sure, he has gone senile lately, but overall the stuff he has done after his presidency is pretty amazing.
 
2013-04-27 11:43:22 PM  

Gulper Eel: Carter gets things wonderfully right from time to time - Habitat for Humanity and guinea-worm eradication to name a couple


That in and of itself would get most mortals worldwide name recognition and damned near a living sainthood status.  When the Carter Center started the Guinea Worm Eradication Program in 1986, there were a reported 3,500,000 cases in 21 Countries in Africa and Asia.

Last year (2012), there were only 542 cases in 4 countries in Africa and something like 500 of those were in a single village in South Sudan.  This year, to date, there have only been a reported 8 cases!

From 350 MILLION to 542 is truly one of the biggest story in the fight against endemic disease in the history of mankind.  People like Albert Schweitzer, Walter Reed, and Jonas Salk are still well known and celebrated for their achievements among their contemporaries, yet Carter has achieved this remarkable thing and I doubt that many in America even know the slightest thing about it.  In times past, he would be proclaimed a hero of the world and honored as a great humanitarian.  Today, I bet this post is the first time that most of the even the much better than average well informed folk in Fark even became aware of what he has actually accomplished, the near eradication of a horrific disease.
 
2013-04-28 12:03:43 AM  

Gulper Eel: True enough. He even found nice things to say about Ceausescu and Mugabe. The official remarks from those two monsters' visits to the White House during the Carter administration are pure "the president said WHAT?" awkward gold.

I think he at least drew the line at Idi Amin.

Carter gets things wonderfully right from time to time - Habitat for Humanity and guinea-worm eradication to name a couple - but as a judge of foreign leaders' character he can be relied upon to run straight into the arms of the nearest tyrannical dipshiat.


See, I don't think he's necessarily blind to the faults of the sorts of people he starts talking with... I think he's just one of those people who can have a chat with a serial killer and walk away with "That man really loves his mother." It's not very proactive, it's eminently impractical in the hands of someone who's expected to act, but I don't see it as clever politics. Instead I think he's just that guy able to look past even monstrous faults and highlight the best things he's able in people.

And really, only idiots expect people to "get it right" all the time, especially when you're talking about an emeritus statesman like Carter who appears to travel to visit these bastards entirely on his own time, responsible to no one. But he does, and he's maybe the only President who ever did or could, and he gains access to people and places no one else does, based on the knowledge that even if Jimmy Carter privately walks right off the plane and spills the contents of his private conversations to the CIA publicly Carter's going to say "We had delicious sandwiches, and I enjoyed the dictator's train collection." In a way I think that's terribly hardcore, Jimmy Carter goes places where other people simply wouldn't because of the extremely warranted reputations of the place armed only with his history and +1 Armor of Politeness & Manners.

I don't think he was a good President, but if we only had all of our ex-Presidents following his post Presidential career path we should be so lucky.
 
2013-04-28 12:21:03 AM  

lawboy87: Gulper Eel: Carter gets things wonderfully right from time to time - Habitat for Humanity and guinea-worm eradication to name a couple

That in and of itself would get most mortals worldwide name recognition and damned near a living sainthood status.  When the Carter Center started the Guinea Worm Eradication Program in 1986, there were a reported 3,500,000 cases in 21 Countries in Africa and Asia.

Last year (2012), there were only 542 cases in 4 countries in Africa and something like 500 of those were in a single village in South Sudan.  This year, to date, there have only been a reported 8 cases!

From 350 MILLION to 542 is truly one of the biggest story in the fight against endemic disease in the history of mankind.  People like Albert Schweitzer, Walter Reed, and Jonas Salk are still well known and celebrated for their achievements among their contemporaries, yet Carter has achieved this remarkable thing and I doubt that many in America even know the slightest thing about it.  In times past, he would be proclaimed a hero of the world and honored as a great humanitarian.  Today, I bet this post is the first time that most of the even the much better than average well informed folk in Fark even became aware of what he has actually accomplished, the near eradication of a horrific disease.


It's way more than enough to earn anybody a Nobel Peace Prize to boot, but I don't think they do repeat winners.

Seriously, he wasn't as awful a President as the Republican propaganda machine has tried to paint him, merely ineffective. He and his staff didn't know how to work with Congress to actually get shiat done, nor did they really want to learn. He just held himself above the fray- he's a wonderful and decent human being, and I can completely understand the desire of a person like that to stay away from touching Congress, even with the proverbial 10 foot pole. But the stuff he's done since leaving office makes him one of the most significant humanitarian figures in history.

Honestly, I'm amazed he ever got elected President in the first place. How the hell did we... oh yeah, collective reaction to Nixon. pendulum swing thingy. We have to elect a caricature of an evil politician before we can get a decent one.
 
2013-04-28 01:07:16 AM  
conniption fit 2: electric boogaloo
 
2013-04-28 01:09:40 AM  

Delay: George W. Bush was truly shiat as president. The "torture is OK by me president" is our worst chief executive.

War in Iraq that killed 100,000s (lies)
FEMA and Katrina failures (graft, incompetence and lies)
Budget surplus (squandered and lies)
Medicare prescription expense to drive up costs and benefit Big Pharma (lies)
Tax cuts that foreclosed workers' homes to give them to the wealthy (lies)

Basically, every time the G. W.  Bush administration came out with a report, you knew that it was going to involve some kind of fraud, and the only question was which kind and where. I don't give a shiat about the liar's library. He can go paint his pictures and cram the oxycontin up where the sun does not shine, but my only suggestion is our congress needs to send G. W. Bush to Europe and be tried for war crimes.


holy balls, you're on the moon my friend... total emotional basketcase
 
2013-04-28 01:34:13 AM  
If Jimmy said something nice about George Junior, he meant it.
 
2013-04-28 04:12:05 AM  

LookForTheArrow: DeathByGeekSquad: LookForTheArrow: We can prevaricate, but Bush II had one of the most remarkable abilities to make children feel like they were speaking to a peer.

Which is a fantastic skill to have in politics where you're pandering to shiat flinging children on either side of the aisle.

Unless we went to wildly different kindergardens (likely), seeems like all the best moderators of child-like activity espouse maturity, so as a decider here on fark you must certainly sense i have a megazillion times more of it then the other decidees in this thread.

/mission accomplished.


You're apparently attempting to shiat fling like a child.  We weren't discussing moderation of children, but the ability to pander to them.
 
2013-04-28 04:25:01 AM  
Its dubya people. I prefer to remember the laughter.
never before in history has someone been so bumbling inept and unable to read at a fourth grade level. That they got re elected.

horrible as the results were. Listening to the words that came out of his mouth was some of the funniest shiat you or I will ever hear
 
2013-04-28 04:28:50 AM  

DeathByGeekSquad: LookForTheArrow: DeathByGeekSquad: LookForTheArrow: We can prevaricate, but Bush II had one of the most remarkable abilities to make children feel like they were speaking to a peer.

Which is a fantastic skill to have in politics where you're pandering to shiat flinging children on either side of the aisle.

Unless we went to wildly different kindergardens (likely), seeems like all the best moderators of child-like activity espouse maturity, so as a decider here on fark you must certainly sense i have a megazillion times more of it then the other decidees in this thread.

/mission accomplished.

You're apparently attempting to shiat fling like a child.  We weren't discussing moderation of children, but the ability to pander to them.


we were discussing my postand I sure didn'tuse the word "pander" so hey,  hotshot, hows that foot taste?
 
2013-04-28 04:54:36 AM  

LookForTheArrow: DeathByGeekSquad: LookForTheArrow: DeathByGeekSquad: LookForTheArrow: We can prevaricate, but Bush II had one of the most remarkable abilities to make children feel like they were speaking to a peer.

Which is a fantastic skill to have in politics where you're pandering to shiat flinging children on either side of the aisle.

Unless we went to wildly different kindergardens (likely), seeems like all the best moderators of child-like activity espouse maturity, so as a decider here on fark you must certainly sense i have a megazillion times more of it then the other decidees in this thread.

/mission accomplished.

You're apparently attempting to shiat fling like a child.  We weren't discussing moderation of children, but the ability to pander to them.

we were discussing my postand I sure didn'tuse the word "pander" so hey,  hotshot, hows that foot taste?


You: remarkable abilities to make children feel like they were speaking to a peer.
Me: Which is a fantastic skill to have in politics where you're pandering to shiat flinging children on either side of the aisle.

You'll note that I'm referencing your apparent observation that he has a remarkable ability to make children feel like they were speaking to a peer while making an additional observation that such an ability is a fantastic skill to have in politics where you're pandering to shiat flinging children on either side of the aisle.

Reddit or 4chan may be a better fit for you.
 
2013-04-28 05:13:15 AM  

MisterMook: Instead I think he's just that guy able to look past even monstrous faults and highlight the best things he's able in people.


That's a fine quality for a pastor to have - but in a president it gets lots of people killed and ruins nations. Imagine what Zimbabwe might have become if Carter had simply seen Mugabe for what he has been all his life (which wasn't difficult) and said 'oh HELL no' to that particular regime change.

I don't expect the US to be able to save everybody everywhere but it's not asking much to have us not perpetuate tyrannies, especially if a president is going to spout pieties about human rights being the soul of his foreign policy.

cptjeff: He and his staff didn't know how to work with Congress to actually get shiat done, nor did they really want to learn. He just held himself above the fray


Too bad. Cutting deals is part of the job. And cutting deals is what was done to get Camp David accomplished - unfortunately, the deals we cut behind the scenes were with Ceausescu and King Hassan of Morocco (another tyrant), who were go-betweens during the negotiations. We fixed one mess by perpetuating two others, and by throwing a ton of money at Israel and Egypt (yet another tyranny) to get them to play nice. 

Carter was working with an enormous Democratic majority in both houses of Congress, and as for above the fray? He was a notorious micromanager. He and his staff were rarely on the same page. No wonder Congress had a lot of WTF-is-this-shiat moments with him.
 
2013-04-28 02:56:26 PM  

Gulper Eel: Carter was working with an enormous Democratic majority in both houses of Congress, and as for above the fray? He was a notorious micromanager. He and his staff were rarely on the same page. No wonder Congress had a lot of WTF-is-this-shiat moments with him.


Within the White House, maybe, but Carter and his staff seemingly had no interest in learning how to work with Congress. They took shots at congress for political points, and Congress probably deserved it, but that didn't help things get done. Read Tip O'Neill's prospective sometime, it's in his book Man of the House, which is a great read generally, but he has a lot of interesting insights (often not very flattering) on quite a lot of people, and Presidents. The stuff about how the Kennedys operated, from the prospective of a fellow Boston Pol, is pretty fascinating too.
 
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