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2013-04-27 12:31:31 PM  
Protip: The red hand means it's not safe to cross yet.
 
2013-04-27 12:41:02 PM  
Jaywalking is a serious crime.  Don't knock how it is penalized.
 
2013-04-27 01:31:56 PM  
Seems appropriate for a jaywalker.

/remember, jaywalking is only when you impede traffic, this guy was definitely doing that.
 
2013-04-27 01:32:40 PM  
I read the article, but I'm still not sure I know what happened. It just seemed to relate events at random.
 
2013-04-27 01:34:43 PM  
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Another one bites the dust.
 
2013-04-27 01:34:48 PM  
Great, another story where I hate everybody involved.
 
2013-04-27 01:35:35 PM  
I didnt even need the [Florida] tag to guess it was Florida.
 
2013-04-27 01:38:01 PM  
I used to worry about hitting pedestrians with my car. Now I just keep score.
 
2013-04-27 01:42:37 PM  
Looks to me like the guy is crossing against the light, and the cop just isn't paying any attention.
 
2013-04-27 01:42:50 PM  

serial_crusher: Protip: The red hand means it's not safe to cross yet.


Indolent: Jaywalking is a serious crime.  Don't knock how it is penalized.


BumpInTheNight: Seems appropriate for a jaywalker.

/remember, jaywalking is only when you impede traffic, this guy was definitely doing that.



Watch the video.  The pedestrian had the right of way, he was crossing on the green.  You can tell by the turning traffic.  The red car that he waved on and the cop were both making right turns, so the pedestrian had the green, and since he was through traffic (not to mention a pedestrian in a crossing), he had the right of way.

I don't know if the cop hit him deliberately, or if he was just not paying attention to what he was doing, but either way, it's not the pedestrian's fault.
 
2013-04-27 01:43:09 PM  
Nice try subby, but the officer sticks around for 5 minutes afterwards.
 
2013-04-27 01:43:58 PM  
A new take on Tetris.
 
2013-04-27 01:44:17 PM  

swahnhennessy: I read the article, but I'm still not sure I know what happened. It just seemed to relate events at random.


Agreed. Now that journalism pays so little that nobody smart can afford to go to journalism school, the quality of news reporting keeps going downhill.
 
2013-04-27 01:45:14 PM  
I read the headline and was all ready to link the "I'm gonna kick your ass and get away with it" image, but then I read the article and watched the video and  was meh.  Looked like a benign accident.  Cop stopped and called for assistance and he was treated and released with some minor injury.  If anything, it looked like he was trying to cross when traffic was oncoming.  Jaywalking is illegal for precisely this reason.
 
2013-04-27 01:45:52 PM  
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2013-04-27 01:46:58 PM  

FloydA: serial_crusher: Protip: The red hand means it's not safe to cross yet.

Indolent: Jaywalking is a serious crime.  Don't knock how it is penalized.

BumpInTheNight: Seems appropriate for a jaywalker.

/remember, jaywalking is only when you impede traffic, this guy was definitely doing that.


Watch the video.  The pedestrian had the right of way, he was crossing on the green.  You can tell by the turning traffic.   The red car that he waved on and the cop were both making right turns, so the pedestrian had the green, and since he was through traffic (not to mention a pedestrian in a crossing), he had the right of way.

I don't know if the cop hit him deliberately, or if he was just not paying attention to what he was doing, but either way, it's not the pedestrian's fault.


Do you live in Australia?
 
2013-04-27 01:49:00 PM  

FloydA: serial_crusher: Protip: The red hand means it's not safe to cross yet.

Indolent: Jaywalking is a serious crime.  Don't knock how it is penalized.

BumpInTheNight: Seems appropriate for a jaywalker.

/remember, jaywalking is only when you impede traffic, this guy was definitely doing that.


Watch the video.  The pedestrian had the right of way, he was crossing on the green.  You can tell by the turning traffic.  The red car that he waved on and the cop were both making right turns, so the pedestrian had the green, and since he was through traffic (not to mention a pedestrian in a crossing), he had the right of way.

I don't know if the cop hit him deliberately, or if he was just not paying attention to what he was doing, but either way, it's not the pedestrian's fault.


Thats a flat out felony hit and run. Anyone else would have been arrested. But, the law doesn't apply to cops until it becomes an issue in the press, and only then it becomes a paid vacation for the officer. The pedestrian is lucky the cop didn't beat his ass into a permanent coma.
 
2013-04-27 01:53:53 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: I read the headline and was all ready to link the "I'm gonna kick your ass and get away with it" image, but then I read the article and watched the video and  was meh.  Looked like a benign accident.  Cop stopped and called for assistance and he was treated and released with some minor injury.  If anything, it looked like he was trying to cross when traffic was oncoming.  Jaywalking is illegal for precisely this reason.


According to TFA, the cop reported it as a citizen flag-down (presumably for injury), conveniently leaving out the fact that the cop hit him.
 
2013-04-27 01:54:47 PM  
Deathfrogg:Thats a flat out felony hit and run. Anyone else would have been arrested. But, the law doesn't apply to cops until it becomes an issue in the press, and only then it becomes a paid vacation for the officer. The pedestrian is lucky the cop didn't beat his ass into a permanent coma.

I bet you didn't even watch the video before you came up with that opinion.
 
2013-04-27 01:57:29 PM  

buckler: Pumpernickel bread: I read the headline and was all ready to link the "I'm gonna kick your ass and get away with it" image, but then I read the article and watched the video and  was meh.  Looked like a benign accident.  Cop stopped and called for assistance and he was treated and released with some minor injury.  If anything, it looked like he was trying to cross when traffic was oncoming.  Jaywalking is illegal for precisely this reason.

According to TFA, the cop reported it as a citizen flag-down (presumably for injury), conveniently leaving out the fact that the cop hit him.


I smell a big payout by the city, followed by the cop getting fired for failing to report the incident truthfully.

/hey, one can always HOPE, right?
 
2013-04-27 01:57:57 PM  
That performance of the Crappie Flop is a solid 10/10.

My spidey sense tells me this jackwagon has done this before, that there is professional grade Flopping.
 
2013-04-27 01:59:00 PM  
I hope the cop enjoys his six months paid Administrative Leave.
 
2013-04-27 01:59:29 PM  
His sister Galaga and his brother Donkey Kong confirm Tetris' version of the events.
 
2013-04-27 02:00:47 PM  
Why was the guy standing in the street? Come on, you dont do that for any reason., plus the crossing area isnt there just because it looks neat. Use it.
 
2013-04-27 02:01:33 PM  
The cop checked on this asshat, and the dude said he was "OK." The cop then proceeded to answer a call. I see no problem...other than that douche should learn to look both ways and not enter the intersection until it's clear, something a 2 year old understands.
 
2013-04-27 02:02:34 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Deathfrogg:Thats a flat out felony hit and run. Anyone else would have been arrested. But, the law doesn't apply to cops until it becomes an issue in the press, and only then it becomes a paid vacation for the officer. The pedestrian is lucky the cop didn't beat his ass into a permanent coma.

I bet you didn't even watch the video before you came up with that opinion.


Turnabout's fair play, isn't it?
 
2013-04-27 02:03:39 PM  

Indolent: Jaywalking is a serious crime.  Don't knock how it is penalized.


He was in the crosswalk.
 
2013-04-27 02:03:53 PM  
BTW, this reminds me...why do cities indemnify cops instead of cops having to buy 3rd party 'malpractice insurance'? If cops had to carry, say, $5 million in malpractice insurance to remain on the force, the insurance companies would weed out the bad ones by driving their insurance costs too high, or refusing to offer coverage. And other cops wouldn't then be so inclined to cover up for the bad apples if they knew those guys were affecting their premiums.
 
2013-04-27 02:04:46 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Deathfrogg:Thats a flat out felony hit and run. Anyone else would have been arrested. But, the law doesn't apply to cops until it becomes an issue in the press, and only then it becomes a paid vacation for the officer. The pedestrian is lucky the cop didn't beat his ass into a permanent coma.

I bet you didn't even watch the video before you came up with that opinion.


Actually, I watched it through three times. It was clearly hit and run.

The cop that slammed my brother broadside coming out of an alleyway at nearly twice the speed limit arrested him at gunpoint even though every witness later swore out a statement that the cop blew out of the alley like a bat out of hell into cross traffic. So I KNOW cops will lie every chance they get.

In this case, the pedestrian clearly had the right of way, and the cop left the scene. Thats a felony in this state. But, this being Florida, and you're a cop, so you'll whiteknight the cop no matter what happens. Already seen it in plenty of other threads.
 
2013-04-27 02:05:07 PM  

Deathfrogg: Thats a flat out felony hit and run. Anyone else would have been arrested. But, the law doesn't apply to cops until it becomes an issue in the


no, he stopped to check things out. did u watch the video? no.
 
2013-04-27 02:07:29 PM  

FloydA: serial_crusher: Protip: The red hand means it's not safe to cross yet.

Indolent: Jaywalking is a serious crime.  Don't knock how it is penalized.

BumpInTheNight: Seems appropriate for a jaywalker.

/remember, jaywalking is only when you impede traffic, this guy was definitely doing that.


Watch the video.  The pedestrian had the right of way, he was crossing on the green.  You can tell by the turning traffic.  The red car that he waved on and the cop were both making right

LEFT turns, so the pedestrian had the green, and since he was through traffic (not to mention a pedestrian in a crossing), he had the right of way.

I don't know if the cop hit him deliberately, or if he was just not paying attention to what he was doing, but either way, it's not the pedestrian's fault.



FTFY

They were making LEFT turns from a two-way onto a one-way street.

Aside from that, Pedestrian had the green and the right of way. You are correct. Cop was at fault.

Also FTA: "Records show the officer radioed dispatch and reported handling a flag-down call but never reported he had hit Nunn." [...] "Fiortentino-Tyburski is still under investigation for the accident. He's still on patrol."


Well, that's a shocker.
 
2013-04-27 02:07:58 PM  
I know about 500 lawyers who would love to talk to this guy--they're probably parachuting into his yard right now.
 
2013-04-27 02:08:19 PM  

Stone Meadow: BTW, this reminds me...why do cities indemnify cops instead of cops having to buy 3rd party 'malpractice insurance'? If cops had to carry, say, $5 million in malpractice insurance to remain on the force, the insurance companies would weed out the bad ones by driving their insurance costs too high, or refusing to offer coverage. And other cops wouldn't then be so inclined to cover up for the bad apples if they knew those guys were affecting their premiums.


so insurance companies don't end up controlling the law?
 
2013-04-27 02:09:55 PM  

FloydA: Watch the video.  The pedestrian had the right of way, he was crossing on the green.  You can tell by the turning traffic.  The red car that he waved on and the cop were both making right turns, so the pedestrian had the green, and since he was through traffic (not to mention a pedestrian in a crossing), he had the right of way.


You cannot assume that due a green light the pedestrian had the right of way.  Often times the traffic will be allowed to proceed but the pedestrian given the don't walk sign for a period of time.  This is to prevent a giant line of cars from stacking up behind one car who wants to turn right but is waiting for grandma to cross the street.  In other cases at intersections with poor visibility, all lights may go to red, then all walk signals activate and the pedestrians can cross while all traffic is frozen due to red lights and "no right on red" signs.  I've also seen lights where the pedestrians get a "head start", so they're out in the crosswalk and visible prior to the light going green.

I'm not saying the cop is a dick, but you can't equate green and red traffic lights to right of way for foot traffic.
 
2013-04-27 02:10:46 PM  
Obligatory:
 
2013-04-27 02:10:55 PM  
MFAWG:
Do you live in Australia?

Ack.  LEFT turns.  Not enough coffee.
 
2013-04-27 02:11:36 PM  

utah dude: Deathfrogg: Thats a flat out felony hit and run. Anyone else would have been arrested. But, the law doesn't apply to cops until it becomes an issue in the

no, he stopped to check things out. did u watch the video? no.


You're both wrong...in Florida hit & run is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a nonmoving violation. I predict what's going to get this cop in trouble is not reporting the hit. The internal affairs guys will have him by the nutsack over this.
 
2013-04-27 02:12:38 PM  
You'll notice that the pedestrian on the right side of the screen stopped at the don't walk sign and waited to cross. This guy didn't and got hit. It doesn't matter who hit him, it's the pedestrians fault according to FL law. He was also not in the marked crosswalk, (which doesn't matter in this case).
 
2013-04-27 02:13:11 PM  
Ah, bowling with homeless street people.

From an April 10 story:

Channel 9 showed pedestrian Paul Zeniewicz the video. Zeniewicz, like Nunn, was crossing when the pedestrian signal said not to, which a lot of people do at the intersection.
...
Nunn's aunt said Nunn is bipolar and was homeless in Orlando. He's back with relatives in Indiana. One relative, after seeing the video, said it looks terrible. His aunt does not believe Officer Fiorentino-Tyburski should be on patrol while he's being investigated for leaving her nephew without getting him medical attention.
Nunn's aunt said the day after Channel 9 broke the story last week, an Orlando detective showed up out of the blue in Indiana to try to talk to Nunn, but he wasn't there.
She said police still haven't talked about what happened in Orlando almost three months ago.
 
2013-04-27 02:16:48 PM  

utah dude: Deathfrogg: Thats a flat out felony hit and run. Anyone else would have been arrested. But, the law doesn't apply to cops until it becomes an issue in the

no, he stopped to check things out. did u watch the video? no.


He left the scene before the authorities were called. In this case, the cop should have immediately called his supervisor, canceled his availability and stayed on the scene until the situation was resolved. Once an accident happens, the people involved on both sides are not allowed to leave the scene until either a cop is involved or the necessary information is exchanged. Once that cop hit that pedestrian in the crosswalk, he stops being a cop on duty and starts being the schmuck that caused an accident. He left the scene without filing a report or being subjected to any on-site investigation, as is required by law in every State whenever a pedestrian is involved.
 
2013-04-27 02:17:19 PM  

serial_crusher: Protip: The red hand means it's not safe to cross yet.


Incorrect. It depends on when the red hand starts flashing. Most ped head signals start flashing red when the pedestrian still has up to 30 seconds to cross.
 
2013-04-27 02:17:19 PM  

utah dude: Deathfrogg: Thats a flat out felony hit and run. Anyone else would have been arrested. But, the law doesn't apply to cops until it becomes an issue in the

no, he stopped to check things out. did u watch the video? no.


"Checking things out" isn't the standard of the "hit and run" statute in Florida.   He's required to stop, render assistance, provide his name and information."  Just assuming some meter maid who has picked up the crumpled body and running off doesn't qualify.
 
2013-04-27 02:18:09 PM  
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"Fortunately, he turned out to be a drug dealer"
 
2013-04-27 02:19:13 PM  
Yep, that's jail for anyone but the cop.

/staring contests are for six year olds.
 
2013-04-27 02:23:10 PM  
The man that was struck is named Tetris. Maybe the officer mistook him for his brother Frogger.
 
2013-04-27 02:23:39 PM  
Could be traffic had a left turn arrow, in which case the Don't Walk signal would have been illuminated. Regardless of the cause, the cop should be fired for not seeing the consequences of his actions through.
 
2013-04-27 02:24:36 PM  
Also:

. no use of the emergency flashers on the police car ... just left stopped in the middle of the intersection
. gawking passers-by stop with their wide U.S. auto a$$ hanging out into traffic
. woman crossing the street doesn't so much as give a spit to the hittee
 
2013-04-27 02:26:52 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: serial_crusher: Protip: The red hand means it's not safe to cross yet.

Incorrect. It depends on when the red hand starts flashing. Most ped head signals start flashing red when the pedestrian still has up to 30 seconds to cross.

^^^This
The 6 way intersection I cross to when walking my daughter to school, the green walk symbol is illuminated for exactly 2 seconds. I've timed it and have had conversations with the signals guy regarding it's length.  Then there is a flashing red hand with a 25 second countdown.
 
2013-04-27 02:28:01 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Could be traffic had a left turn arrow, in which case the Don't Walk signal would have been illuminated. Regardless of the cause, the cop should be fired for not seeing the consequences of his actions through.



Would be nice to know which intersection.

Google street view might help.
 
2013-04-27 02:31:42 PM  
Flat out; If an officer hits anything or anybody, every department I know of has a policy that they stay put and call a supervisor to report it, both to ensure any any negligence or recklessness by the officer is documented and so that the supervisor can document the damage, injuries, or lack thereof for a potential the inevitable lawsuit.

Stopping to check that dude was OK might ward off a hit-and-run charge, but he'll be in far more trouble with his department for acting to hide what happened. If his department is currently downsizing he just moved to the top of the axe list.
 
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