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2013-04-27 02:58:14 PM  

TheHighlandHowler: teenage mutant ninja rapist: move em out of the city and into the smaller towns and citys in the state?

Not sure if it was a concerted effort, but yes.  Some Newburghers even refer to it as "The 6th Borough."


I would wafer it was. From what Ive seen in places like toronto and calgary. You never really clean up problem areas
they just get shuffled down the street or out of town.

was a particular corner in calgary called crack macs.
had a subway station and a macs convenience store.
hobos crazy people and addicts everywhere. It was scary at lunch time. Come night time you ran a serious risk of a crackhead stabbing.

couple years ago they tore the subway station out and moved it a few blocks down the street. In place of all the degenerates is a garbage can and a tree. Walk to the new station and you find where they all went.

so ya my impression is you never really fix a problem
you just give it to someone else
 
2013-04-27 02:58:23 PM  
I lived in Newburgh, it wasn't horrible. I did stay out of the worst parts of it, though. It could be worse; you could live in Poughkeepsie.
 
2013-04-27 03:02:13 PM  

Herr Morgenstern: It could be worse; you could live in Poughkeepsie.


Poughkeepsie is only #2 in violent crime.  Newburgh is #1.
 
2013-04-27 03:04:28 PM  

foxyshadis: Teetotaler: I'm pretty sure Brooklyn, Bronx and Nassau can also make a running for most pathetic in the State

When, 30 years ago? All three are in the middle of gentrification.

/Although poor hipsters are pretty pathetic.


You can't tell whether a true hipster is poor or not.
 
2013-04-27 03:06:22 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: LemSkroob: He isn't lying. You wouldn't expect towns nestled on the banks of the scenic Hudson river to be worse than Harlem in the 70s, but here we are.

So is that what nyc did with all its problems?
move em out of the city and into the smaller towns and citys in the state?


Yes. Thank you $1200/month 1 bedroom apartments.
 
2013-04-27 03:07:00 PM  

HighlanderRPI: Having been to Troy, NY and Newburgh, NY - I strongly disagree.

Troy is worse


My father worked in Troy when I was a kid, and I went to college near Newburgh (New Paltz) but I have not been to either place in at least 30 years so any Troy-Newburgh comparison I could make would not be valid, I am sure they were both much better places in my day
 
2013-04-27 03:19:59 PM  
Sir Cumference the Flatulent:

Not even close. Newburgh was one of the few places on earth where I was afraid to go in the daytime. I never had that feeling in all my years in the Bronx. Newburgh is totally Detroit on the Hudson.

What are the other places you are afraid of going to?  If you don't mind me asking.
 
2013-04-27 03:21:09 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: TheHighlandHowler: teenage mutant ninja rapist: move em out of the city and into the smaller towns and citys in the state?

Not sure if it was a concerted effort, but yes.  Some Newburghers even refer to it as "The 6th Borough."

I would wafer it was. From what Ive seen in places like toronto and calgary. You never really clean up problem areas
they just get shuffled down the street or out of town.

was a particular corner in calgary called crack macs.
had a subway station and a macs convenience store.
hobos crazy people and addicts everywhere. It was scary at lunch time. Come night time you ran a serious risk of a crackhead stabbing.

couple years ago they tore the subway station out and moved it a few blocks down the street. In place of all the degenerates is a garbage can and a tree. Walk to the new station and you find where they all went.

so ya my impression is you never really fix a problem
you just give it to someone else


Yah.  Canadia.  Tough guy town.
 
2013-04-27 03:22:04 PM  
"Pathetic:  having the capacity to move one to either compassionate or contemptuous pity."

Why take things negatively?
 
2013-04-27 03:23:28 PM  

freewill: Binghamton appreciates the distraction, Newburgh. Seriously, keep up the good work.


Having lived in both places for periods of about 10 years in the last 20, I have to say Binghamton gives Newburgh a good run for it's money, but Newburgh wins the race to the bottom.  Binghamton gets all sorts of crap for being a welfare magnet by design.  It is one of the INS's preferred resettling areas for certain ethnic groups seeking political asylum.  They also send their county Dept. of Social Services people out of state to promote Binghamton as a welfare services utopia.  They have a whole "It's Better in Binghamton" PR campaign that they bring down to social services expos in Charlotte, Atlanta, and others.  It is all part of a genius plan to boost the local population to elevate them to a more desirable category for qualifying for federal grants.  So, Binghamton does feel like a massive perpetually raining ghetto of unemployables.  But in terms of the actual physical danger factor, Newburgh wins.  I've walked down Front Street (Bing) at 1AM far too many times unscathed and that is supposedly one of the most dangerous places.  I was mugged in broad daylight on Gidney Ave. (Newburgh) just a block from the High School.  And Gidney Ave. is a nice street full of doctors' offices.  Seriously, Newburgh is that crazy nexus where upstate Meth makers, pot farmers and downstate dealers interact.  The local small-time dealers like to get cocky when the big NYC dealers come into town and then the guns come out.
 
2013-04-27 03:24:48 PM  

Fecacacophany: freewill: Binghamton appreciates the distraction, Newburgh. Seriously, keep up the good work.

Having lived in both places for periods of about 10 years in the last 20, I have to say Binghamton gives Newburgh a good run for it's money, but Newburgh wins the race to the bottom.  Binghamton gets all sorts of crap for being a welfare magnet by design.  It is one of the INS's preferred resettling areas for certain ethnic groups seeking political asylum.  They also send their county Dept. of Social Services people out of state to promote Binghamton as a welfare services utopia.  They have a whole "It's Better in Binghamton" PR campaign that they bring down to social services expos in Charlotte, Atlanta, and others.  It is all part of a genius plan to boost the local population to elevate them to a more desirable category for qualifying for federal grants.  So, Binghamton does feel like a massive perpetually raining ghetto of unemployables.  But in terms of the actual physical danger factor, Newburgh wins.  I've walked down Front Street (Bing) at 1AM far too many times unscathed and that is supposedly one of the most dangerous places.  I was mugged in broad daylight on Gidney Ave. (Newburgh) just a block from the High School.  And Gidney Ave. is a nice street full of doctors' offices.  Seriously, Newburgh is that crazy nexus where upstate Meth makers, pot farmers and downstate dealers interact.  The local small-time dealers like to get cocky when the big NYC dealers come into town and then the guns come out.


Herr Morgenstern: I lived in Newburgh, it wasn't horrible. I did stay out of the worst parts of it, though. It could be worse; you could live in Poughkeepsie.


I miss Underpass Man.
 
2013-04-27 03:24:52 PM  

MNguy: Sir Cumference the Flatulent:

Not even close. Newburgh was one of the few places on earth where I was afraid to go in the daytime. I never had that feeling in all my years in the Bronx. Newburgh is totally Detroit on the Hudson.

What are the other places you are afraid of going to?  If you don't mind me asking.


In the daytime? There were some areas of Manila where I really didn't think I should tread.
 
2013-04-27 03:27:05 PM  
Meh.
 
2013-04-27 03:27:18 PM  

MNguy: teenage mutant ninja rapist: TheHighlandHowler: teenage mutant ninja rapist: move em out of the city and into the smaller towns and citys in the state?

Not sure if it was a concerted effort, but yes.  Some Newburghers even refer to it as "The 6th Borough."

I would wafer it was. From what Ive seen in places like toronto and calgary. You never really clean up problem areas
they just get shuffled down the street or out of town.

was a particular corner in calgary called crack macs.
had a subway station and a macs convenience store.
hobos crazy people and addicts everywhere. It was scary at lunch time. Come night time you ran a serious risk of a crackhead stabbing.

couple years ago they tore the subway station out and moved it a few blocks down the street. In place of all the degenerates is a garbage can and a tree. Walk to the new station and you find where they all went.

so ya my impression is you never really fix a problem
you just give it to someone else

Yah.  Canadia.  Tough guy town.


You would be surprised. Not much in the way of gangs.
but lots of hobos and mental patients with nowhere to go.
Go on youtube and check out some videos of vancouvers lower eastside.

if you like waiting for a subway with people shooting up and smoking rocks thats your business.
most people find it unsettling to say the least
 
2013-04-27 03:39:54 PM  
skinink:And furthermore, though I've never been to Newburgh, I have been to Rochester as well as Genneseo [sic], Dansville and Corning NY. I bet those places could give Newburgh a challenge as the worst place in NY State.

HA!  As someone who has lived in NYC for five years, is a current resident of Rochester, and has traveled NYS extensively, I beg to disagree.  A friend of mine grew up in Newburgh and moved to Chicago of all places because "it's safer than back home."  Quality of life in Geneseo is relatively high, and the college isn't that bad (it is one of the best performing public universities).  Dansville is quite nice; I have friends who own vacation property there.  Rochester is actually pretty neat and has a lot to offer.  If you're specifically talking about areas like Marketview Heights, Beechwood, Avenue D, Mayor's Heights, etc, I suggest you explore these areas by foot or bicycle like I do.  I've never had a problem, in fact, people are generally pretty nice to me.
 
2013-04-27 04:04:51 PM  

Fecacacophany: Fecacacophany: freewill: Binghamton appreciates the distraction, Newburgh. Seriously, keep up the good work.

Having lived in both places for periods of about 10 years in the last 20, I have to say Binghamton gives Newburgh a good run for it's money, but Newburgh wins the race to the bottom.  Binghamton gets all sorts of crap for being a welfare magnet by design.  It is one of the INS's preferred resettling areas for certain ethnic groups seeking political asylum.  They also send their county Dept. of Social Services people out of state to promote Binghamton as a welfare services utopia.  They have a whole "It's Better in Binghamton" PR campaign that they bring down to social services expos in Charlotte, Atlanta, and others.  It is all part of a genius plan to boost the local population to elevate them to a more desirable category for qualifying for federal grants.  So, Binghamton does feel like a massive perpetually raining ghetto of unemployables.  But in terms of the actual physical danger factor, Newburgh wins.  I've walked down Front Street (Bing) at 1AM far too many times unscathed and that is supposedly one of the most dangerous places.  I was mugged in broad daylight on Gidney Ave. (Newburgh) just a block from the High School.  And Gidney Ave. is a nice street full of doctors' offices.  Seriously, Newburgh is that crazy nexus where upstate Meth makers, pot farmers and downstate dealers interact.  The local small-time dealers like to get cocky when the big NYC dealers come into town and then the guns come out.

Herr Morgenstern: I lived in Newburgh, it wasn't horrible. I did stay out of the worst parts of it, though. It could be worse; you could live in Poughkeepsie.

I miss Underpass Man.


i had a tradition of giving him packs of Newports on holidays.
 
2013-04-27 04:17:47 PM  

HighlanderRPI: Having been to Troy, NY and Newburgh, NY - I strongly disagree.

Troy is worse


...and what's the matter with Troy?
 
2013-04-27 04:29:02 PM  
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2013-04-27 04:35:07 PM  

slimfast: [i39.tinypic.com image 640x480]


Their first place was Rock Tavern (not City of Newburgh) and the giant new headquarters is in the TOWN of Newburgh (not the city).
 
2013-04-27 04:36:15 PM  
 
2013-04-27 04:43:14 PM  

slimfast: "Saving Newburgh" trailer...


Old, but shows the petty bickering that is part of the problem.  In fact, the movie's tagline was (IIRC) "A movie about fighting for change, or maybe just fighting."
 
2013-04-27 04:53:27 PM  
At one point I used to live right outside Newburgh and I wholeheartedly concur that it was a dump back then and pretty sure it hasn't gotten any better.
To this day when I see the word Newburgh I immediately think of crime, disease, crack, and whores.
 
2013-04-27 05:13:05 PM  
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2013-04-27 05:18:46 PM  

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2013-04-27 05:40:38 PM  

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: Teetotaler: I'm pretty sure Brooklyn, Bronx and Nassau can also make a running for most pathetic in the State

Not even close. Newburgh was one of the few places on earth where I was afraid to go in the daytime. I never had that feeling in all my years in the Bronx. Newburgh is totally Detroit on the Hudson.


^^^ This.  I haven't been to Nassau much, so I can't say though.  But the only two places I have been into that made me feel frightened in the day were Newburgh and parts of Yonkers.

I did get chased by a dog in the south Bronx one time.  But I think that was a fluke
 
2013-04-27 07:33:55 PM  

t3knomanser: Cuchulane: There's a town of Newburgh next to a City of Newburgh?

That area has a lot of that. The Town of Kingston is next to the City of Kingston (and shares a zip-code). Ulster County contains within it a Town of Ulster.


You forgot:

Highland...Highland Falls....Highland Mills

Town of Wallkill...village of Wallkill - and the easy way to remember which is which, is to remember everybody in the Town of Wallkill says they live in Middletown.

///has lived in Middletown all my life, and everyday everyone here thanks God for Newburgh, as it makes Middletown look like Paris.
 
2013-04-27 07:42:27 PM  

skinink: Bullshiat. A Manhattan judge has some nerve saying that when Staten Island is right there next to Manhattan. And furthermore, though I've never been to Newburgh, I have been to Rochester as well as Genneseo, Dansville and Corning NY. I bet those places could give Newburgh a challenge as the worst place in NY State.


Sister went to SUNY Geneseo, she's lived in Rochester over 30 years now -  - trust me, as a life long Middletown residemt, Newburgh is the WORST...

///for a long time in the 60s/70s/80s, the Middletown tradition was to lose your cherry to a Newburgh whore...
 
2013-04-27 07:56:21 PM  
as a midwesterner, is this place worst than Harlem? surely it can't be worst than East St. Louis or North St. Louis city. Some parts are like scenes straight out of Robocop.
 
2013-04-27 08:01:12 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: as a midwesterner, is this place worst than Harlem? surely it can't be worst than East St. Louis or North St. Louis city. Some parts are like scenes straight out of Robocop.


it's a shiathole. i live on the south side near the river, which is considered the (slightly)better side normally, but still guns going off all night. when someone refers to their town/city as a 'shiathole' i laugh, inside. it is that bad. it's a free for all.
 
2013-04-27 08:24:22 PM  
i'd like to defend Newburgh though, for a minute. it's a great place to live if you don't care for laws yourself. you can go out at night and shoot guns, drink beer on the street, smoke weed *anywhere*. if you're the murderin' type, the chances of ever being caught are pretty slim if no one sees you. i don't believe anyone has ever called the police to complain about gunshots, let alone loud music.

Come to Newburgh, the best place on the Hudson to not give a fark.
 
2013-04-27 08:27:44 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Newburgh-Beacon is nice to drive over the river and through.

/would stop at Fishkill beforehand for lunch


That is because Fishkill is awesome.
 
2013-04-27 09:00:48 PM  

zeppo: Highland...Highland Falls....Highland Mills


Highland Falls is in the town of Highlands. The town of Highland without the S is out in Sullivan County and has nothing to do with the hamlet of Highland which is in the town of...Lloyd.
 
2013-04-27 09:32:01 PM  

vudukungfu: Driving from Vermont to Pensyltucky, I hop on the thruway and takr my ticket in Albany, drive to newburgh to get on 84, pay my price, exit, to 84, and ther's a farking stop sign.
From 87v to 84 a farking stop sign.

shiathole is a nice way of describing it.
They have a shiatty srtipclub, a shiatty knife store, and some shiatty places to eat.


The 84/87 interchange was rebuilt a couple years ago and is more like an actual exit now. If all you want to do is get from one interstate to the other, no more stop signs or signals.

Il Cena'colo is a DAMN good restaurant in Newburgh.

How come nobody's brough up Utica?
 
2013-04-27 09:37:37 PM  

Gulper Eel: zeppo: Highland...Highland Falls....Highland Mills

Highland Falls is in the town of Highlands. The town of Highland without the S is out in Sullivan County and has nothing to do with the hamlet of Highland which is in the town of...Lloyd.


Highland is the village/hamlet at the west end of the Mid Hudson Bridge
Highland Falls is the village that is right next to the USMA at West Point
Highland MILLS is a village in the town of Monroe that is just north of the Woodbury Commons mega outlet center.
 
2013-04-27 09:48:18 PM  
Holy crap, I just drove through downtown Newburgh for the very first time today, and I'd have to totally agree with the judge.

Seriously, I was just in East New York, Brooklyn last week, and Newburgh is way more rundown and depressing than that.

Nice views of the Hudson, though.
 
2013-04-27 09:57:57 PM  

sociodemographic: skinink:And furthermore, though I've never been to Newburgh, I have been to Rochester as well as Genneseo [sic], Dansville and Corning NY. I bet those places could give Newburgh a challenge as the worst place in NY State.

HA!  As someone who has lived in NYC for five years, is a current resident of Rochester, and has traveled NYS extensively, I beg to disagree.  A friend of mine grew up in Newburgh and moved to Chicago of all places because "it's safer than back home."  Quality of life in Geneseo is relatively high, and the college isn't that bad (it is one of the best performing public universities).  Dansville is quite nice; I have friends who own vacation property there.  Rochester is actually pretty neat and has a lot to offer.  If you're specifically talking about areas like Marketview Heights, Beechwood, Avenue D, Mayor's Heights, etc, I suggest you explore these areas by foot or bicycle like I do.  I've never had a problem, in fact, people are generally pretty nice to me.


I enjoyed the Old Dinosaur BBQ in Rochester. And they have that cool waterfall right near downtown.
 
2013-04-27 10:58:28 PM  
Live in the Rochester suburbs, the area has a lot to offer for being a small city. The city has areas that have the same problems all cities do but there are some great neighborhoods. The summer has some sort of festival every weekend and there is a top notch Jazz Festival every June.
 
2013-04-27 11:06:56 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: sociodemographic: skinink:And furthermore, though I've never been to Newburgh, I have been to Rochester as well as Genneseo [sic], Dansville and Corning NY. I bet those places could give Newburgh a challenge as the worst place in NY State.

HA!  As someone who has lived in NYC for five years, is a current resident of Rochester, and has traveled NYS extensively, I beg to disagree.  A friend of mine grew up in Newburgh and moved to Chicago of all places because "it's safer than back home."  Quality of life in Geneseo is relatively high, and the college isn't that bad (it is one of the best performing public universities).  Dansville is quite nice; I have friends who own vacation property there.  Rochester is actually pretty neat and has a lot to offer.  If you're specifically talking about areas like Marketview Heights, Beechwood, Avenue D, Mayor's Heights, etc, I suggest you explore these areas by foot or bicycle like I do.  I've never had a problem, in fact, people are generally pretty nice to me.

I enjoyed the Old Dinosaur BBQ in Rochester. And they have that cool waterfall right near downtown.


Rochester is a pretty cool city - lots of great places to eat, a music scene that is disproportionate to its size,  lots of things to do in general. But yeah - TONS of good places to eat, I mean, you can even have a great meal at the supermarket (Wegman's, of course).
 
2013-04-27 11:19:42 PM  

praymantis: Live in the Rochester suburbs, the area has a lot to offer for being a small city. The city has areas that have the same problems all cities do but there are some great neighborhoods. The summer has some sort of festival every weekend and there is a top notch Jazz Festival every June.


Mantis, my sister has lived in what is lovingly called Swillburg for over 30 years. She works for the Landmark Society, and runs a nice thing called Ghost Walk a couple of weekends in October - you should check it out!

And when was your last garbage plate? :P
 
2013-04-27 11:19:58 PM  
Next time you are in Rochester check this place out


http://www.geneseebeer.com/brew-house

It is on St.Paul Blvd next to the Genesee Brewery it over looks high falls great place for a brew and dinner.
 
2013-04-27 11:24:49 PM  

zeppo: praymantis: Live in the Rochester suburbs, the area has a lot to offer for being a small city. The city has areas that have the same problems all cities do but there are some great neighborhoods. The summer has some sort of festival every weekend and there is a top notch Jazz Festival every June.

Mantis, my sister has lived in what is lovingly called Swillburg for over 30 years. She works for the Landmark Society, and runs a nice thing called Ghost Walk a couple of weekends in October - you should check it out!

And when was your last garbage plate? :P


my last garbage plate was about a month ago! The swillburg neighborhood is a very cool eclectic area, I have heard of the ghost walk but have never been. There is a great restaurant right on the border of Swillburg and the Southwedge neighborhoods called Rooney's check it out next time you are in town.
 
2013-04-28 12:36:47 AM  

Herr Morgenstern: I lived in Newburgh, it wasn't horrible. I did stay out of the worst parts of it, though. It could be worse; you could live in Poughkeepsie.


===============

Pick your feet in Poughkeepsie?
 
2013-04-28 01:21:21 AM  
Newburgh does suck, and I go to and through there frequently for work. It's like the Poughkeepsie of Orange county.
 
2013-04-28 04:23:00 AM  

HighlanderRPI: Having been to Troy, NY and Newburgh, NY - I strongly disagree.

Troy is worse


Having Lived in Schenectady I can tell you you, and the judge are wrong
 
2013-04-28 09:05:36 AM  
I think  their Town Motto is: "Hey, at least we're not Hoboken!"
Know how I know they haven't been here recently?
 
2013-04-28 10:22:54 PM  

praymantis: zeppo: praymantis:


Lived in the Southwedge for several years. Rochester and the surrounding towns are filled with great people.
 
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