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2013-04-27 08:38:10 AM
Another small government initiative.
 
2013-04-27 08:48:00 AM
"Automobile makers should prevent drivers from using their in-vehicle electronic devices to browse the Internet and send text messages while their vehicles are moving, the U.S. Department of Transportation has recommended.

Auto makers should also lock out drivers in moving cars from reading text messages, viewing photographs, displaying scrolling text and using video apps, the DOT's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) recommended in voluntary guidelines released this week."

bronyaur1: Another small government initiative.



"voluntary guidelines"
 
2013-04-27 08:52:07 AM
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2013-04-27 08:59:11 AM
I am not ok with that.  Under those rules, you can say goodbye to your GPS, Satalite/HD Radio display, hands free calling/texting etc..

Guess what...people will still get into wrecks.  And I'm willing to bet a donut that the rates will neither increase nor decrease.
 
2013-04-27 09:00:17 AM
I like that a point is being made that people should drop the electronic devices and farking just drive, but really does it matter with aftermarket devices?

I remember Buick or Oldsmobile 20 years ago with a single touch screen control system for the environmental and stereo controls.  It was awful.
 
2013-04-27 09:00:29 AM
Still no mention of whether eating a chicken soft taco, a bean burrito and a tostada will be disabled.
 
2013-04-27 09:02:57 AM

Kimpak: GPS, Satalite/HD Radio display, hands free calling/texting etc..


None of that is covered, assuming you mean TTS/Speech recognition hands free calling/texting. They listed specific things, and they are only recommendations. Relax.
 
2013-04-27 09:04:32 AM
So I will have to turn off my car to know how fast I'm going or whether I'm running out of gas?
 
2013-04-27 09:19:04 AM

SpdrJay: So I will have to turn off my car to know how fast I'm going or whether I'm running out of gas?


This.

Also my cars entire audio system is controlled via touch screen, how would I, or a passenger, be able to change a station or a song?
 
2013-04-27 09:19:54 AM
Concerned citizens :"Hey you know what would make cars safer? Ban talking and texting while driving."

Gadget corps: "Noooooo."

Auto makers: "Fine lets put iPads in the console."

Concerned citizens: *facepalm*
 
2013-04-27 09:24:27 AM

LasersHurt: Kimpak: GPS, Satalite/HD Radio display, hands free calling/texting etc..

None of that is covered, assuming you mean TTS/Speech recognition hands free calling/texting. They listed specific things, and they are only recommendations. Relax.


FTFA: "Auto makers should also lock out drivers in moving cars from reading text messages, viewing photographs, displaying scrolling text and using video apps, the DOT's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) recommended in."

All of those things can use scrolling text.  Also, and the article pointed this out too, people are going to do it anyway but instead of connecting to their car's built in system will just use their phone itself.  What they're proposing is a feel-good law. A law that sounds good but accomplishes nothing.  We already have laws on the books for distracted driving, why spend the time and resources to make another, redundant, law?
 
2013-04-27 09:28:32 AM
Over in zero. You can limit kids and new drivers with no unrelated passangers, but soon as you go after soccer moms, they'll be hell to pay at election time.
 
2013-04-27 09:31:54 AM

SpdrJay: So I will have to turn off my car to know how fast I'm going or whether I'm running out of gas?


Looks like somebody didn't RTFA.
 
2013-04-27 09:41:36 AM
The 2012 Toyota Prius has this. As did the 2010 (I have had both). It's irritating as hell. I'd be okay with it if some adjustments are made.

In terms of the radio controls and other necessary touch features - there's a control panel built into the steering wheel. Those functions are still available.

The Prius also has pressure sensors built into the passenger seats. Anything heavier than x lbs is considered to be a passenger and the car will continually chime until the seatbelt is activated.

Since that technology is already used - they should allow the car's features be reenabled if it determines that there's a passenger in the car.
 
2013-04-27 09:43:38 AM

Kimpak: What they're proposing is a feel-good law. A law that sounds good but accomplishes nothing.  We already have laws on the books for distracted driving, why spend the time and resources to make another, redundant, law?


"What they are proposing" is in no way a law, it's a set of Voluntary Guidelines.
 
2013-04-27 09:49:48 AM

LasersHurt: Kimpak: What they're proposing is a feel-good law. A law that sounds good but accomplishes nothing.  We already have laws on the books for distracted driving, why spend the time and resources to make another, redundant, law?

"What they are proposing" is in no way a law, it's a set of Voluntary Guidelines.




Just like judicial dissent is just dissent.
 
2013-04-27 09:53:05 AM
My sister's car does this. It's very annoying to have to pull over to use the GPS when you have a passenger perfectly capable of operating the thing.
 
2013-04-27 09:53:32 AM

StoPPeRmobile: Just like judicial dissent is just dissent.


UGH yes, fine, it's a government nanny state conspiracy to revert Automobiles to nigh-Amish cubes of horror.
 
2013-04-27 09:59:52 AM

Blue_Blazer: Concerned citizens :"Hey you know what would make cars safer? Ban talking and texting while driving."

Gadget corps: "Noooooo."

Auto makers: "Fine lets put iPads in the console."

Concerned citizens: *facepalm*


Meh.  Much like with alcohol, I drive better after I've sent a couple of texts.  It relaxes me.

/Should be an automatic 6 point offense
 
2013-04-27 10:00:48 AM
How about we stop:

1) looking at phones while driving
2) eating while driving
3) reading while driving
4) personal grooming while driving
5) people who are too to drive being able to drive

That's just the five that popped into my head in a second.

/kthxbye
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-04-27 10:01:39 AM
Auto makers: "Fine lets put iPads in the console."

I sense a compromise here. If the feds push too hard on carmakers drivers will improvise their own distractions, and put iPads playing video in the line of sight.

The Prius also has pressure sensors built into the passenger seats. Anything heavier than x lbs is considered to be a passenger and the car will continually chime until the seatbelt is activated.

I had to check federal regulations to see if that was legal. There is a rule prohibiting the seat belt warning from sounding for more than 8 seconds, but it's apparently limited to the driver's seat belt. (FMVSS 208)

I was a kid in the era when you had to belt your groceries or the car wouldn't start.  That rule didn't last long.
 
2013-04-27 10:02:18 AM
5) was supposed to be, "people who are too old to drive".

/now I'm done
 
2013-04-27 10:09:14 AM
Perhaps the answer is to hire more traffic police?  I assume you guys already have laws on the books about not using a cell phone whilst driving, not watching the built-in TV whilst driving, having to wear to certified helmet on a motorbike, etc, etc.

So it's just an enforcement issue and enforcing those laws requires people not speed cameras.  Same problem we have in the UK.
 
2013-04-27 10:10:13 AM

fatalvenom: 5) was supposed to be, "people who are too old to drive".

/now I'm done


But I gave you +1 Funny for "people who are too to drive being able to drive"
 
2013-04-27 10:22:58 AM
Count me in the against camp.


Best regards,
Your local bodyman.
 
2013-04-27 10:23:14 AM

LasersHurt: "What they are proposing" is in no way a law, it's a set of Voluntary Guidelines.


Sure, but its still a gigantic waste of time.  Everybody knows distracted driving is dangerous.  We don't need anymore studies or guidelines or whatever, we get it.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-04-27 10:29:24 AM
Kimpak

A voluntary guideline from federal regulators allows carmakers to agree on standard features without violating antitrust law. It also discourages a gadget war that would make cars more expensive to produce without significantly increasing total sales.
 
2013-04-27 10:35:31 AM

ZAZ: Kimpak

A voluntary guideline from federal regulators allows carmakers to agree on standard features without violating antitrust law. It also discourages a gadget war that would make cars more expensive to produce without significantly increasing total sales.


Why can't the car makers decide that for themselves?
 
2013-04-27 10:36:29 AM

Kimpak: ZAZ: Kimpak

A voluntary guideline from federal regulators allows carmakers to agree on standard features without violating antitrust law. It also discourages a gadget war that would make cars more expensive to produce without significantly increasing total sales.

Why can't the car makers decide that for themselves?


THEY CAN. That's what "Voluntary" means.
 
2013-04-27 10:36:30 AM

Kimpak: I am not ok with that.  Under those rules, you can say goodbye to your GPS, Satalite/HD Radio display, hands free calling/texting etc..

Guess what...people will still get into wrecks.  And I'm willing to bet a donut that the rates will neither increase nor decrease.


Every in dash GPS I've seen will not allow you to enter a destination if the car is moving anyway.
 
2013-04-27 10:36:43 AM
Simple solution:
More of these:
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So we can all:
i.telegraph.co.uk
or:
www.mydenverduilawyer.com
and not worry about:
www.globalpost.com
//All hotter than the coffee you spilled in your lap while hitting the exit ramp at 90
 
2013-04-27 10:45:51 AM

fatalvenom: How about we stop:

1) looking at phones while driving
2) eating while driving
3) reading while driving
4) personal grooming while driving
5) people who are too to drive being able to drive

That's just the five that popped into my head in a second.

/kthxbye


well now driving is boring and unproductive. thanks a million.
 
2013-04-27 10:46:14 AM

Vaneshi: Perhaps the answer is to hire more traffic police?  I assume you guys already have laws on the books about not using a cell phone whilst driving, not watching the built-in TV whilst driving, having to wear to certified helmet on a motorbike, etc, etc.

So it's just an enforcement issue and enforcing those laws requires people not speed cameras.  Same problem we have in the UK.


Like most other traffic safety issues, it's a matter of the laws being enforced as a profit-center rather than as a safety issue, and traffic stops being used for non-traffic reasons.

Here's a hint, guys:

Enforce the speed limit as posted, not random-number-of-the-day
Post the damn speed limit
Stop reckless drivers no matter how fast they aren't going
Don't stop drivers who aren't being reckless
Being brown is not the same as being reckless
Texting is, even if you're only going 5mph in a traffic jam

/rant off
 
2013-04-27 10:55:42 AM

LasersHurt: Kimpak: GPS, Satalite/HD Radio display, hands free calling/texting etc..

None of that is covered, assuming you mean TTS/Speech recognition hands free calling/texting. They listed specific things, and they are only recommendations. Relax.


Huh?

/goes back to article to find this list
//finds no article but a picture instead
///picture says indash device that can display text
////radios are in dashes and they display text
 
2013-04-27 11:01:16 AM

Benjimin_Dover: LasersHurt: Kimpak: GPS, Satalite/HD Radio display, hands free calling/texting etc..

None of that is covered, assuming you mean TTS/Speech recognition hands free calling/texting. They listed specific things, and they are only recommendations. Relax.

Huh?

/goes back to article to find this list
//finds no article but a picture instead
///picture says indash device that can display text
////radios are in dashes and they display text


Turns out the tiny synopsis there doesn't give the whole picture. I clicked through a link or two to a Full Article about it, which has actual details about it.
 
2013-04-27 11:04:14 AM
As long as the police have the same devices disabled, I'm ok with it.
 
2013-04-27 11:12:04 AM
DNR the FA, but I can guess where they're going, with this.  To wit:  I can watch movies on DVD on my dash display.  But only if the vehicle (Ford product) is parked, and the ignition is off.  Instantly recognized the virtues of that design feature!

/and no, I don't sit in my car to watch movies
 
2013-04-27 11:15:15 AM

Kimpak: LasersHurt: Kimpak: GPS, Satalite/HD Radio display, hands free calling/texting etc..

None of that is covered, assuming you mean TTS/Speech recognition hands free calling/texting. They listed specific things, and they are only recommendations. Relax.

FTFA: "Auto makers should also lock out drivers in moving cars from reading text messages, viewing photographs, displaying scrolling text and using video apps, the DOT's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) recommended in."

All of those things can use scrolling text.  Also, and the article pointed this out too, people are going to do it anyway but instead of connecting to their car's built in system will just use their phone itself.  What they're proposing is a feel-good law. A law that sounds good but accomplishes nothing.  We already have laws on the books for distracted driving, why spend the time and resources to make another, redundant, law?


This. Start enforcing what we already have. Spotting someone texting while driving is easier than spotting a seat belt violation.
 
2013-04-27 11:16:51 AM
So now my passenger can't find somewhere to eat on the GPS?  Is the radio an in-dash device?
 
2013-04-27 11:26:19 AM
This is the kind of thread you get when the REAL information is behind like 2 extra clicks.
 
2013-04-27 11:57:14 AM

StoPPeRmobile: LasersHurt: Kimpak: What they're proposing is a feel-good law. A law that sounds good but accomplishes nothing.  We already have laws on the books for distracted driving, why spend the time and resources to make another, redundant, law?

"What they are proposing" is in no way a law, it's a set of Voluntary Guidelines.

Just like judicial dissent is just dissent.


"I made a crappy comparison, therefore it's true!"
 
2013-04-27 12:05:09 PM

SquishyLizard: Simple solution:
More of these:
[firegeezer.com image 623x389]
So we can all:
[i.telegraph.co.uk image 620x388]
or:
[www.mydenverduilawyer.com image 300x400]
and not worry about:
[www.globalpost.com image 360x240]
//All hotter than the coffee you spilled in your lap while hitting the exit ramp at 90


the mormon guy wouldn't be drinking coffee. and he'd have his companion with him for most car travel.
 
2013-04-27 12:29:52 PM
We already have laws against distracted driving. All these mini-laws about specific kinds of distractions are just clogging things up.
 
2013-04-27 12:36:43 PM
try reading the article as one story:

Happy Friday, everyone! If you're at all like me, you spent at least part of last night watching the first round of the NFL draft and wondering why nobody told you that the name Barkevious was an option when you were naming your own kids? The draft also got to me thinking that it's too bad someone doesn't hold a draft for programmers; if they did, companies wouldn't have to resort to offering puppies as a reward for referring developers. On with the review of the top tech stories from this week. Apple reported a drop in net profits in the most recent quarter, their first decline in profits in ten years. Apple is in belt-tightening mode; today Tim Cook fired his personal grape feeders. Western Digital has released the world's slimmest laptop hard drive, which is just 5mm thick. They got it that slim through precise engineering, pioneering techniques and cutting out bread. In its first ten days of release, Facebook Home has been downloaded 500,000 times. To increase downloads, they've hired HGTV to give it a makeover. Pizza Hut has created an app for the Xbox 360 that allows you to order pizza using body motions. Be aware, though, if you want more than one topping, it'll require advanced yoga techniques. The U.S. Department of Transportation is recommending that in-dash devices be disabled from displaying text, images or videos when a car is moving to avoid distracting the driver. They're also recommending that, when a car is moving, kids and mothers-in-law be quiet. Twitter is reportedly working on implementing two-stop authentication. The hardest part will be writing the instructions in under 140 characters. This week iPhone 4 owners started receiving $15 checks to compensate for antenna issues. It's not much money, but the checks are made from very stylish anodized aluminum. It was rumored this week that Google Glass will let you take a picture by winking. Sounds like Google Glass won't be popular among people with facial tics. On Tuesday, hackers took over the AP's Twitter account and tweeted about explosions at the White House. Some people fell for it; when he read the tweet Joe Biden ordered underwear with the presidential seal. A new study finds that a single Facebook like is worth $174 to a company's brand. The finding was based on loyalty, spending and a wild guess. OK, on to the weekend. I'll be spending it spreading three yards of mulch around my yard; hopefully your weekend will be more fun than mine, which shouldn't be too difficult.

double rainbows. what does it all mean?
 
2013-04-27 12:41:00 PM

HMS_Blinkin: SpdrJay: So I will have to turn off my car to know how fast I'm going or whether I'm running out of gas?

Looks like somebody didn't RTFA.


That was an article?
 
2013-04-27 12:49:57 PM

Mad_Radhu: Kimpak: I am not ok with that.  Under those rules, you can say goodbye to your GPS, Satalite/HD Radio display, hands free calling/texting etc..

Guess what...people will still get into wrecks.  And I'm willing to bet a donut that the rates will neither increase nor decrease.

Every in dash GPS I've seen will not allow you to enter a destination if the car is moving anyway.


There're two tricks for that, one temporary and one permanent. Temp: lift the handbrake lever one notch and the in dash system will work again. Perm: cut a single wire in the loom at the back of the head unit, having first used the internets to work out which wire.

And I second the idea to use the passenger weight sensors for the safety systems to allow use in motion - always seemed a common sense idea to me!
 
2013-04-27 12:54:04 PM

LasersHurt: Benjimin_Dover: LasersHurt: Kimpak: GPS, Satalite/HD Radio display, hands free calling/texting etc..

None of that is covered, assuming you mean TTS/Speech recognition hands free calling/texting. They listed specific things, and they are only recommendations. Relax.

Huh?

/goes back to article to find this list
//finds no article but a picture instead
///picture says indash device that can display text
////radios are in dashes and they display text

Turns out the tiny synopsis there doesn't give the whole picture. I clicked through a link or two to a Full Article about it, which has actual details about it.


Awesome. I'm the victim again of mobile browser specific website design that farks the user out of content. So in these details, it specifies that radios are excluded or does it just not list them while at the same time specify that the listed items are the only items that can ever be inckuded? I ask because history and experience tells us that if neither of those two conditions being in the law means that it will be a free-for-all for just what gets written up by cops.
 
2013-04-27 12:55:21 PM

Shagbert: And I second the idea to use the passenger weight sensors for the safety systems to allow use in motion - always seemed a common sense idea to me!


oh great one more thing to investigate at safety inspection time.
 
2013-04-27 01:00:09 PM
Count me in the 'against' camp as well. GPS is crucial on a long road trip where you know where you're going, but not exactly how to get there.

/I'm sure roadside video billboards are still totes cool with the DOT though
 
2013-04-27 01:03:58 PM
Do people really spring for the in-dash GPS?  It costs a ton more, is a pain to upgrade, and can't be moved from car-to-car.  The mobile versions beat them on all three measures, and the service is basically just being ported to people's phones now anyway.
 
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