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(WFAA Fort Worth)   Turns out the guy responsible for keeping the town of West prepared for a disaster involving 500,000 pounds of potentially explosive fertilizer, didn't even know he was the responsible guy   (wfaa.com) divider line 175
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2013-04-26 11:41:29 PM  
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2013-04-26 11:44:53 PM  
WEST, Texas  -- McLennan County officials did not follow federal regulations requiring public officials to plan for a major chemical incident such as last week's deadly fertilizer plant explosion in West, Texas

Why would they?

/Seriously, in a place that openly proclaims resistance to federal regulations, why would they?
 
2013-04-26 11:45:32 PM  
Would everyone please stop acting surprised.
 
2013-04-26 11:48:57 PM  
Shocking.
 
2013-04-26 11:55:25 PM  
Why am I not surprised?
 
2013-04-26 11:57:51 PM  
i42.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-27 12:00:36 AM  
Yes, but I'm sure that's the only county in TX with that problem.
 
2013-04-27 12:02:05 AM  
The federally mandated body of community leaders designed to plan for such hazards did not exist in McLennan County. The official listed as the head of the McLennan County LEPC is County Judge Scott Felton. Felton, appointed to the post last year, told News 8 in an interview that he's never heard of the LEPC.

McLennan County Emergency Operations Coordinator Frank Patterson said he has no knowledge of an emergency planning committee or any meetings with officials in West about potential risks in the community.

After requesting any evidence of LEPC operations, meetings, plans of actions or plans for evacuations, especially with respect to hazards posed at the fertilizer company in West, Patterson's office said no such information exists.

 Regulations don't work if people don't follow them.  The regulations were there, but it means dick if they aren't followed.
 
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2013-04-27 12:03:40 AM  
Libertarians have no problem with this.  They claim that since the company harmed the public the public will stop buying their products so market forces will solve the problem.

Does anyone older than 12 and mentally healthy actually believe this?
 
2013-04-27 12:07:33 AM  

NFA: Libertarians have no problem with this.  They claim that since the company harmed the public the public will stop buying their products so market forces will solve the problem.

Does anyone older than 12 and mentally healthy actually believe this?


Well, considering they just blew the crap out of their production facility, I'm guessing sales of their products will taper off fairly quickly

/but I could be wrong
 
2013-04-27 12:10:30 AM  
This is why we NEED small government.  Big government always leeds to screw ups like this.
 
2013-04-27 12:12:22 AM  
MOAR JOB KILLING GUBMINT REGULASHUNS!!!

DUMBOCRATS ARE DESTROYING MY NATION
 
2013-04-27 12:16:52 AM  

Bucky Katt: This is why we NEED small government.  Big government always leeds to screw ups like this.


Uh, the story is about government failure.

Not that big government "leeds" to screw ups like this - poor implementation does.
 
2013-04-27 12:19:33 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: NFA: Libertarians have no problem with this.  They claim that since the company harmed the public the public will stop buying their products so market forces will solve the problem.

Does anyone older than 12 and mentally healthy actually believe this?

Well, considering they just blew the crap out of their production facility, I'm guessing sales of their products will taper off fairly quickly

/but I could be wrong


If the public continues to purchase products of that company keeping the company in business, you know who this libertarian would blame?
 
2013-04-27 12:21:46 AM  

Lsherm: Uh, the story is about government failure.


By people who actively try to make government fail.

That's the real story here.
 
2013-04-27 12:22:16 AM  

Frederick: MaudlinMutantMollusk: NFA: Libertarians have no problem with this.  They claim that since the company harmed the public the public will stop buying their products so market forces will solve the problem.

Does anyone older than 12 and mentally healthy actually believe this?

Well, considering they just blew the crap out of their production facility, I'm guessing sales of their products will taper off fairly quickly

/but I could be wrong

If the public continues to purchase products of that company keeping the company in business, you know who this libertarian would blame?


The government?
 
2013-04-27 12:22:50 AM  
All I know is that someone needs to be put behind bars for this bullshiat.

I dont care if it gives the left or right a political win or loss. All I want is justice.

And fark you guys for making it political.
 
2013-04-27 12:27:19 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Frederick: MaudlinMutantMollusk: NFA: Libertarians have no problem with this.  They claim that since the company harmed the public the public will stop buying their products so market forces will solve the problem.

Does anyone older than 12 and mentally healthy actually believe this?

Well, considering they just blew the crap out of their production facility, I'm guessing sales of their products will taper off fairly quickly

/but I could be wrong

If the public continues to purchase products of that company keeping the company in business, you know who this libertarian would blame?

The government?

  The public.

As I suspected; you know nothing of libertarians.
 
2013-04-27 12:29:40 AM  
Well. That problem solved itsself, didn't it?

Nothing like 10 dead Firefighters and two EMTs to make an impetus for change, huh?

NFA: Does anyone older than 12 and mentally healthy actually believe this?


Plenty for the former, the later is questionable. There are plenty of Right-Winged Libertarians on FARK. Ron Paul Fanboys among them.
 
2013-04-27 12:29:51 AM  

Frederick: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Frederick: MaudlinMutantMollusk: NFA: Libertarians have no problem with this.  They claim that since the company harmed the public the public will stop buying their products so market forces will solve the problem.

Does anyone older than 12 and mentally healthy actually believe this?

Well, considering they just blew the crap out of their production facility, I'm guessing sales of their products will taper off fairly quickly

/but I could be wrong

If the public continues to purchase products of that company keeping the company in business, you know who this libertarian would blame?

The government?  The public.

As I suspected; you know nothing of libertarians.


It was just a guess

/and as for my knowledge of libertarians, chalk it up to lack of interest
//how you continue to sell products you can no longer produce is another question
 
2013-04-27 12:31:01 AM  

Frederick: As I suspected; you know nothing of libertarians.


I know they're for small government and personal freedom*

*unless  that personal freedom and small government happens to involve civil rights, interstate trade, what happens inside of a woman's body, and studying history.
 
2013-04-27 12:32:28 AM  

hardinparamedic: Frederick: As I suspected; you know nothing of libertarians.

I know they're for small government and personal freedom*

*unless  that personal freedom and small government happens to involve civil rights, interstate trade, what happens inside of a woman's body, and studying history.


Ron Paul Republicans are not Libertarians
 
2013-04-27 12:34:02 AM  
Rick Perry just issued a proclamation that West will be renamed New Bhopal in an effort to spruce up the town's image.
 
2013-04-27 12:35:56 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Lsherm: Uh, the story is about government failure.

By people who actively try to make government fail.

That's the real story here.


Well, no, it's a failure by government employees.
 
2013-04-27 12:39:15 AM  

cman: hardinparamedic: Frederick: As I suspected; you know nothing of libertarians.

I know they're for small government and personal freedom*

*unless  that personal freedom and small government happens to involve civil rights, interstate trade, what happens inside of a woman's body, and studying history.

Ron Paul Republicans are not Libertarians


That's what I keep saying, but people are INSISTING to me that he's just for State's Rights to choose things! Because, you know, they have such an amazing historical track record at doing that,
 
2013-04-27 12:46:37 AM  

Lsherm: NewportBarGuy: Lsherm: Uh, the story is about government failure.

By people who actively try to make government fail.

That's the real story here.

Well, no, it's a failure by government employees.


if the nanny state feds didn't write such stupid regulations then the market would be able to function normally and there'd be no explosions.  any fool knows that.
 
2013-04-27 12:56:47 AM  
Shouldn't the firefighters have had the sense to stay out of there?
 
2013-04-27 01:02:10 AM  

Confabulat: Shouldn't the firefighters have had the sense to stay out of there?


It's pretty standard to roll into the fire scene to assess the situation. Particularly, as in this case, when there's no idea what is actually there

/when I was a volunteer firefighter, we rolled into a reported explosion in the railyards that eventually eliminated a small town
//we were lucky we didn't walk right into the same sort of thing these guys did
 
2013-04-27 01:06:32 AM  

hardinparamedic: cman: hardinparamedic: Frederick: As I suspected; you know nothing of libertarians.

I know they're for small government and personal freedom*

*unless  that personal freedom and small government happens to involve civil rights, interstate trade, what happens inside of a woman's body, and studying history.

Ron Paul Republicans are not Libertarians

That's what I keep saying, but people are INSISTING to me that he's just for State's Rights to choose things! Because, you know, they have such an amazing historical track record at doing that,


If it cant be expressed in terms of "your right to swing your fists ends at my nose" then it isnt libertarian.

A libertarian affords marriage rights to all, civil rights to all.  Abortion is trickier depending on ones position on life (ie. a fetus' rights).  I support state rights legislation, but it is not tied to my libertarian principles -that is coincidental.
 
2013-04-27 01:08:29 AM  

Lsherm: Bucky Katt: This is why we NEED small government.  Big government always leeds to screw ups like this.

Uh, the story is about government failure.

Not that big government "leeds" to screw ups like this - poor implementation does.


Besides, it appears that the small government did the screwing up.
 
2013-04-27 01:15:25 AM  

cman: All I know is that someone needs to be put behind bars for this bullshiat.

I dont care if it gives the left or right a political win or loss. All I want is justice.


www.cyclonefanatic.com


Which is it? Justice or jail? They're not the same thing.
 
2013-04-27 01:15:28 AM  
Texas prides itself on being a "no safety regulations" state.
 
2013-04-27 01:34:01 AM  
But God wouldn't allow that to happen!
 
2013-04-27 01:35:18 AM  
Felton may not have been aware of his responsibilities but he's all over McLennan otherwise.

County officials already are pondering tax hikes or deep budget cuts for next year as they struggle with what County Judge Scott Felton calls a fiscal "train wreck."

Bet this guy gets famous.

/infamous
 
2013-04-27 01:35:31 AM  
So are any sources outside of Dallas mentioning the federal inspector who was in the place less than two weeks before the explosion, after the plant manager called and said one of his materials from his supplier didn't look right and would they come check it out?
 
2013-04-27 01:36:25 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Confabulat: Shouldn't the firefighters have had the sense to stay out of there?

It's pretty standard to roll into the fire scene to assess the situation. Particularly, as in this case, when there's no idea what is actually there

/when I was a volunteer firefighter, we rolled into a reported explosion in the railyards that eventually eliminated a small town
//we were lucky we didn't walk right into the same sort of thing these guys did


/Curious, at what point was it decided that y'all needed to GTFO?
 
2013-04-27 01:36:44 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: NFA: Libertarians have no problem with this.  They claim that since the company harmed the public the public will stop buying their products so market forces will solve the problem.

Does anyone older than 12 and mentally healthy actually believe this?

Well, considering they just blew the crap out of their production facility, I'm guessing sales of their products will taper off fairly quickly

/but I could be wrong


and since lawsuits will be forthcoming because the owners didn't file the proper paperwork with the DHS ,EPA,OSHA etc they have no chance at all of returning to this business. and the rest of the fertilizer plants across the country are filing that paperwork right now if they haven't already because I have a feeling there is about to be a shiatstorm come their way.
 
2013-04-27 01:37:24 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: WEST, Texas  -- McLennan County officials did not follow federal regulations requiring public officials to plan for a major chemical incident such as last week's deadly fertilizer plant explosion in West, Texas

Why would they?

/Seriously, in a place that openly proclaims resistance to federal regulations, why would they?


www.washingtonpost.com

And surprise surprise: Perry's all butthurt about the cartoon.
 
2013-04-27 01:37:41 AM  

NFA: Libertarians have no problem with this. They claim that since the company harmed the public the public will stop buying their products so market forces will solve the problem.


On the off chance you're not just a troll, note that libertarians are more insistent than Republicans, Democrats, or even most Greens that a company be held responsible for compensating people it's harmed, rather than paying a slap-on-the-wrist EPA or OSHA fine and going on about business.  Being inefficient and making bad products, which a free market would take care of, aren't the same as causing actual harm to third parties.
 
2013-04-27 01:38:27 AM  

Confabulat: Shouldn't the firefighters have had the sense to stay out of there?


They obviously didn't know what all was in the plant.  If they did they would have acted differently.
 
2013-04-27 01:40:06 AM  

Hoopy Frood: So are any sources outside of Dallas mentioning the federal inspector who was in the place less than two weeks before the explosion, after the plant manager called and said one of his materials from his supplier didn't look right and would they come check it out?


there hadn't been a federal inspection of the place since 1985. and then they were fined like 30 bucks for improper storage of ammonia. the company never filed any required paperwork concerning their storage of 13,000 times more ammonia than was required to report.
everyone was whistling past the graveyard on this subject. local authorities, federal authorities, the company owners and executives.
 
2013-04-27 01:40:07 AM  

fusillade762: MaudlinMutantMollusk: WEST, Texas  -- McLennan County officials did not follow federal regulations requiring public officials to plan for a major chemical incident such as last week's deadly fertilizer plant explosion in West, Texas

Why would they?

/Seriously, in a place that openly proclaims resistance to federal regulations, why would they?

[www.washingtonpost.com image 561x404]

And surprise surprise: Perry's all butthurt about the cartoon.


He's always butthurt about something.  He must buy Prep-H by the case.
 
2013-04-27 01:41:01 AM  

NFA: Libertarians have no problem with this.  They claim that since the company harmed the public the public will stop buying their products so market forces will solve the problem.

Does anyone older than 12 and mentally healthy actually believe this?


Yes, many of them happen to be law professors.

http://www.volokh.com/
 
2013-04-27 01:41:03 AM  
The more I hear about this, the more the town of West sounds like it is comprised of nice, hard working, well meaning people of uniformly low intelligence. Seriously, their best hope sounds like kidnapping smart people Pakled style and forcing them to run the town for them. There is no part of this story where anyone acted with intelligence at any point.
 
2013-04-27 01:41:14 AM  

NFA: Libertarians have no problem with this.  They claim that since the company harmed the public the public will stop buying their products so market forces will solve the problem.

Does anyone older than 12 and mentally healthy actually believe this?


Don't question the Randian Paradise.
 
2013-04-27 01:41:31 AM  

vernonFL: Texas prides itself on being a "no safety regulations" state.


I was just talking to friends this evening about screwups at Texas A&M featuring welded-shut pressure relief valves on liquid nitrogen tanks and poor-stacked bonfire collapses.

Seriously, what the fark is wrong with Texas?  Or is this an Aggies thing rather than a Texans thing?
 
2013-04-27 01:42:46 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Yes, but I'm sure that's the only county in TX with that problem.


And surely Texas is the only state in the union with this issue, and the US the only nation in the world that suffers from it.

Everywhere else random low-level public servants are hypercompetent, intensely dedicated, and in no way ended up where they were by a long history of failing out of every other profession they've attempted.
 
2013-04-27 01:43:06 AM  
 
2013-04-27 01:44:38 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Yes, but I'm sure that's the only county in TX with that problem.

And surely Texas is the only state in the union with this issue, and the US the only nation in the world that suffers from it.

Everywhere else random low-level public servants are hypercompetent, intensely dedicated, and in no way ended up where they were by a long history of failing out of every other profession they've attempted.


this is failure at all levels. and the companies paid well to lobby for such an environment.
 
2013-04-27 01:44:42 AM  
I didn't read the article. I live in TX and I work at the continents largest semiconductor FAB. If this place went up, it would be a much larger crater.  Trying to discuss with a coworker where the fire would have to break out but...it would probably be contained before it hit everying because this place is so big.

For the life of me, which is bad, but something about mixing ammonium nitrate with water signals "DANGER" in my head.  Someone told me of a firefighter saying to run, get the fark out of here when they noticed the water draining towards the tanks.

So caught up in the Boston story last week, this one, which should really be foremost in my mind given my job, has me worried.

That explosion had the power of a low yield nuke, without the radiation.  Jesus.

Not feeling so immortal this week.  Hugging my boy for sure.
 
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