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2013-04-26 07:57:11 PM
blog.nextdayflyers.com
 
2013-04-26 08:02:54 PM
This is all fairly new to me but I've been with T-Mobile for a while now. A week ago, my S2 went into cardiac arrest and I got LG Optimus just to hold me over until the S4 came out (which I didn't know was this farking Wednesday). I was told that I could either spread the cost of the phone out in payments or just pay it all off. And it hasn't affected my contract at all. Contract that I'm on will still expire in November and I'll just go monthly after that. Article was a little weak on details.
 
2013-04-26 09:22:14 PM
Of course if T-Mo's iP5 is anything like my 3GS on their network you get 100 feet away from a tower and no signal.

/coverage maps are bullshiat
 
2013-04-26 09:23:08 PM
We had this thread already and it basically came down to the fact that people today lack reading comprehension.

Old way: Pay $99 for the phone and $50/month for service.
After 2 years, the phone is paid for, but you still pay $50/month for service.

New way: Pay $99 for the phone and $50/month for service.
After 2 years, the phone is paid for, and now you pay $30/month for service.
 
2013-04-26 09:24:08 PM
The difference between T-Mobile and the other guys is what happens at the end of those two years.  If you don't buy a new phone on T-Mobile your bill goes down by that $20.  If you don't buy a new phone on the other guys, does your bill go down?
 
2013-04-26 09:25:18 PM
And their commercials that once had lots of screen time for the T-Mobile girl now have mere glimpses of her on a motorcycle or in a helicopter.

Those commercials were much more enjoyable when she was in a sundress.
 
2013-04-26 09:55:10 PM

one of Ripley's Bad Guys: Of course if T-Mo's iP5 is anything like my 3GS on their network you get 100 feet away from a tower and no signal.

/coverage maps are bullshiat


That is a peculiarity of the iPhone and non indicative of the performance that other models will see on the network in question.

iPhones just have shiatty reception.
 
2013-04-26 10:07:33 PM
Discuss.
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-26 10:25:02 PM

lordargent: We had this thread already and it basically came down to the fact that people today lack reading comprehension.

Old way: Pay $99 for the phone and $50/month for service.
After 2 years, the phone is paid for, but you still pay $50/month for service.

New way: Pay $99 for the phone and $50/month for service.
After 2 years, the phone is paid for, and now you pay $30/month for service.


Please reread the article and try again.
 
2013-04-26 10:25:21 PM

zarberg: And their commercials that once had lots of screen time for the T-Mobile girl now have mere glimpses of her on a motorcycle or in a helicopter.

Those commercials were much more enjoyable when she was in a sundress.


Yes... That sundress... Those long legs that went all the way up to her...

Uh... excuse me. I'll be in my bunk.
 
2013-04-26 10:35:53 PM
This one deserved the obvious tag.  The first time I saw that commercial, I called BS.  Honestly I thought it was one of those things that are so obviously false that they can't be considered a lie, like that commercial about cars that spontaneously dive into the ocean in Italy and then resurface in the United States.  Or the Joe Isuzu guy.
 
2013-04-26 10:53:54 PM
TFA is full of shiat. I've not seen anything about a cancellation fee being applied to iPhone sales. I've seen the same "you have to pay for the phone in total" stuff, but nothing in addition to that.

In fact, T-Mobile's website says otherwise

/not a T-Mobile user
 
2013-04-26 11:15:25 PM

tankjr: one of Ripley's Bad Guys: Of course if T-Mo's iP5 is anything like my 3GS on their network you get 100 feet away from a tower and no signal.

/coverage maps are bullshiat

That is a peculiarity of the iPhone and non indicative of the performance that other models will see on the network in question.

iPhones just have shiatty reception.


Funny that you say that, because in the case of both me and my girlfriend, we get better reception with each of our respective iPhone 4S than we did with our prior phones or compared to our other friends.

/both tied to Verizon
//she lives in an area of Northern Virginia with poor coverage despite being in a well-developed area
///the phone picks up wi-fi signals significantly better compared to my old Incredible 2
 
2013-04-26 11:45:00 PM

cmunic8r99: TFA is full of shiat. I've not seen anything about a cancellation fee being applied to iPhone sales. I've seen the same "you have to pay for the phone in total" stuff, but nothing in addition to that.

In fact, T-Mobile's website says otherwise

/not a T-Mobile user


You may not have a cancellation fee, but you have to pay off the balance of the 2-year loan for the phone if you terminate, which is functionally the same as an early termination fee. Direct from the website:

"Qualifying rate plan required.SRP $579.99. 0% APR On Approved Credit for well-qualified buyer. Device loan balance due on service cancellation."

The monthly charges come out to $80 per month, which is the same as what my wife's plan is on AT&T for her iPhone 5. With T-Mobile, you do get unlimited talk and text, plus free hotspot, but the tradeoff is their comically small LTE footprint and generally crappy service in more rural areas, so it is probably a bit of a wash. Sure, you save a lot if you keep the phone longer than 2 years, but for my wife it works out better because she can flip her old iPhone for a few hundred bucks at the end of her contract and then put the money towards a shiny new one (Amazon just gave her a $230 gift card for her iPhone 4).
 
2013-04-26 11:45:44 PM
All phones in the US are priced that way. Your $199 iPhone isn't $199, the rest of the phone cost are just bundled into your wireless plan. Youre even required to get certain data plans with certain phones.

Now, the non-contract early termination fee is definitely shady...
 
2013-04-26 11:49:40 PM

Fark Me To Tears: zarberg: And their commercials that once had lots of screen time for the T-Mobile girl now have mere glimpses of her on a motorcycle or in a helicopter.

Those commercials were much more enjoyable when she was in a sundress.

Yes... That sundress... Those long legs that went all the way up to her...

Uh... excuse me. I'll be in my bunk.


I think they've stopped using her in the ads entirely.

The end of an era....
 
2013-04-26 11:51:19 PM
Except that tmobiles unlimited plan is cheaper than most else and more than makes up for the phone price
 
2013-04-27 12:00:58 AM

Ashelth: lordargent: We had this thread already and it basically came down to the fact that people today lack reading comprehension.

Old way: Pay $99 for the phone and $50/month for service.
After 2 years, the phone is paid for, but you still pay $50/month for service.

New way: Pay $99 for the phone and $50/month for service.
After 2 years, the phone is paid for, and now you pay $30/month for service.

Please reread the article and try again.


He's right.  Try reading the various plans instead of crappy article.
 
2013-04-27 12:04:43 AM

JohnAnnArbor: Fark Me To Tears: zarberg: And their commercials that once had lots of screen time for the T-Mobile girl now have mere glimpses of her on a motorcycle or in a helicopter.

Those commercials were much more enjoyable when she was in a sundress.

Yes... That sundress... Those long legs that went all the way up to her...

Uh... excuse me. I'll be in my bunk.

I think they've stopped using her in the ads entirely.

The end of an era....


The Pink Stig.
 
2013-04-27 12:04:48 AM
i41.tinypic.com Apparently, we no longer know what "down" means.
 
2013-04-27 12:06:20 AM

error 303: All phones in the US are priced that way. Your $199 iPhone isn't $199, the rest of the phone cost are just bundled into your wireless plan. Youre even required to get certain data plans with certain phones.

Now, the non-contract early termination fee is definitely shady...


What early termination fee?  You mean the part where you have to pay the rest of what you owe on your phone?
 
2013-04-27 12:48:44 AM
I just walked into my local T-Mobile and they straight up told me "our phones aren't subsidized anymore, but you can either pay full price, or a down payment with installments".

Then they have the full price listed right there on their displays.

The horror.  The horror.
 
2013-04-27 12:56:19 AM
Here in Canada, the one place on Earth which is actually envious of what you guys pay for cell service, we've had this for a while now. Many providers offer a "tab" where a portion of your monthly payment is used towards paying down the balance on the phone. If you leave early, you have to pay the remaining balance.

The T-Mobile plan is a little worse than the tabs we have though, since from the article it seems that a charge is added to your bill while here it is just a percentage of it (ie: $50 plan means that $5 is put towards the tab, monthly bill remains $50 even after the tab is paid off vs a $50 plan plus an extra $5 making the total $55 until the phone is paid off, then back down to $50) and there is no cancellation fee as well, except for the outstanding balance on the phone.

On the other hand, your plans are only 2 years while here they are 3, so it all works out in the end.
 
2013-04-27 12:57:02 AM

scottydoesntknow: [blog.nextdayflyers.com image 500x375]


Over in one.
 
2013-04-27 02:20:34 AM
DUH.
 
2013-04-27 02:25:51 AM

jkl65s4: tankjr: one of Ripley's Bad Guys: Of course if T-Mo's iP5 is anything like my 3GS on their network you get 100 feet away from a tower and no signal.

/coverage maps are bullshiat

That is a peculiarity of the iPhone and non indicative of the performance that other models will see on the network in question.

iPhones just have shiatty reception.

Funny that you say that, because in the case of both me and my girlfriend, we get better reception with each of our respective iPhone 4S than we did with our prior phones or compared to our other friends.

/both tied to Verizon
//she lives in an area of Northern Virginia with poor coverage despite being in a well-developed area
///the phone picks up wi-fi signals significantly better compared to my old Incredible 2


Yes, they have upped their game. They couldn't have gotten any worse.
 
2013-04-27 02:51:34 AM
It is also neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire.
 
2013-04-27 02:58:24 AM
For Pete's sake some of you are numbskulls.
Visit the T-Mobile website instead of reading the biased article.
 
2013-04-27 03:29:33 AM
You pay how much for a mobile plan? Good lord.
 
2013-04-27 04:06:44 AM
I used to pay €35 euro for 100 minutes/sms and 1gb of data. Then my contract was about to end and I called to cancel the renewal because I was moving to a similar service only contract at €13 a month.

Anyone who thinks the phone is actually free, or only x amount of money, and isn't paid for with costs added to the monthly service fee is delusional.
 
2013-04-27 04:56:34 AM
I'm actually a few days from switching over to T-Mobile because of the price, I live in a minor metro area and their coverage here is pretty good.

I pay AT&T 140$ USD per month for 450 minutes. Unlimited Text, 5gb Data and Tethering.

I just purchased the Gen 2 iPhone 5 unlocked, so it will work just fine on their network. There is no LTE in this area.

So on T-Mobile's plan (because I brought my own phone) I get - unlimited phone calls, unlimited text and 500mb of 4G LTE Data, or unlimited 3G/2G data for 50$ a month.

You have to admit, if you bring your own phone to the party, that's a pretty damn good deal for a mobile plan.

Then I have a few friends who are all "you won't have service when you camping/fishing/etc".

There's a reason I go out in the middle of nowhere and do these things. I don't need service for those activities. It saves me 90$/month that can be better spent on the important things in life. Like BEER.
 
2013-04-27 08:02:19 AM
You mean some people don't know that everything a cell carrier says is a lie?
 
2013-04-27 08:29:09 AM

Mad_Radhu: cmunic8r99: TFA is full of shiat. I've not seen anything about a cancellation fee being applied to iPhone sales. I've seen the same "you have to pay for the phone in total" stuff, but nothing in addition to that.

In fact, T-Mobile's website says otherwise

/not a T-Mobile user

You may not have a cancellation fee, but you have to pay off the balance of the 2-year loan for the phone if you terminate, which is functionally the same as an early termination fee. Direct from the website:

"Qualifying rate plan required.SRP $579.99. 0% APR On Approved Credit for well-qualified buyer. Device loan balance due on service cancellation."

The monthly charges come out to $80 per month, which is the same as what my wife's plan is on AT&T for her iPhone 5. With T-Mobile, you do get unlimited talk and text, plus free hotspot, but the tradeoff is their comically small LTE footprint and generally crappy service in more rural areas, so it is probably a bit of a wash. Sure, you save a lot if you keep the phone longer than 2 years, but for my wife it works out better because she can flip her old iPhone for a few hundred bucks at the end of her contract and then put the money towards a shiny new one (Amazon just gave her a $230 gift card for her iPhone 4).


You are correct about the phone payoff stuff, but TFA said there was a fee in addition to that. That's what I was throwing the bullshiat flag.
 
2013-04-27 08:57:22 AM

lordargent: We had this thread already and it basically came down to the fact that people today lack reading comprehension.

Old way: Pay $99 for the phone and $50/month for service.
After 2 years, the phone is paid for, but you still pay $50/month for service.

New way: Pay $99 for the phone and $50/month for service.
After 2 years, the phone is paid for, and now you pay $30/month for service.


This

How farking simple is this? Once your phone is paid for, you don't have to keep making payments on it.

Consumers, in general, are willing to be overcharged as long as they're being overcharged in the same way they've always been overcharged.


Any how many times do we need to have this thread?


/gahhh
//time to feed the puppy
 
2013-04-27 08:58:21 AM
The iPhone 5 is like a year old now. In tech terms that's close to Betty White.

It should be $99 everywhere. It isn't half as good as the phones coming out now.

/not kidding
//every Apple thread is an Apple hate thread
 
2013-04-27 09:23:26 AM
kptchris:

So on T-Mobile's plan (because I brought my own phone) I get - unlimited phone calls, unlimited text and 500mb of 4G LTE Data, or unlimited 3G/2G data for 50$ a month.

You have to admit, if you bring your own phone to the party, that's a pretty damn good deal for a mobile plan.


For  my UK phone I use Giff Gaff, I provided the phone and they provide the SIM.
Present deal I use is 250 mins, Unlimited texts, 1GB data and unlimited Giff Gaff to Giff Gaff minutes for £10 per month, that's $15.50.
They do a deal the same as above but with unlimited data for £12 - $18.60.
It's cheaper in the UK for phone plans. Something needs to give in the USA.
 
2013-04-27 09:24:11 AM
$150 Nokia are i.imgur.com
/And can run rings around the cheapest Android devices
 
2013-04-27 09:26:43 AM
My pay as you go phone cost about $20 and service is $27 a month. I feel so superior to people who throw away ridiculous amounts on phones every month. You don't get wealthy be pay.a few hundred a month for a phone.
 
2013-04-27 09:51:29 AM

Mija: My pay as you go phone cost about $20 and service is $27 a month. I feel so superior to people who throw away ridiculous amounts on phones every month. You don't get wealthy be pay.a few hundred a month for a phone.




Nah, it's you writing that makes you superior.
 
2013-04-27 10:28:41 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: $150 Nokia are [i.imgur.com image 682x404]
/And can run rings around the cheapest Android devices


Sure they can. Now go find the add on apps for it. Good luck with your
Windows mobile app free phone.
 
2013-04-27 11:40:30 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: $150 Nokia are [i.imgur.com image 682x404]
/And can run rings around the cheapest Android devices


Anything runs rings around the cheapest Android devices.  Nobody should ever buy a budget Android phone.  Ever.
 
2013-04-27 12:37:59 PM
I switched from t-mobile to Verizon 4 months ago. I had been with TM for 4 years and really liked a lot about the company and the service but the deal breaker for me was the Internet speed. TM claims to have 4g but it's way slower than Verizon.
 
2013-04-27 12:47:09 PM

sparkeyjames: drjekel_mrhyde: $150 Nokia are [i.imgur.com image 682x404]
/And can run rings around the cheapest Android devices

Sure they can. Now go find the add on apps for it. Good luck with your
Windows mobile app free phone.


LOL they're still trying to sell those things?
 
2013-04-27 12:55:08 PM

DashFieldpaint: drjekel_mrhyde: $150 Nokia are [i.imgur.com image 682x404]
/And can run rings around the cheapest Android devices

Anything runs rings around the cheapest Android devices.  Nobody should ever buy a budget Android phone.  Ever.




It's funny because I still keep my G2 in my pocket. It's a farking tank. Can't get much cheaper either.

/used to carry PPCs
 
2013-04-27 12:56:48 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Mija: My pay as you go phone cost about $20 and service is $27 a month. I feel so superior to people who throw away ridiculous amounts on phones every month. You don't get wealthy be pay.a few hundred a month for a phone.

Nah, it's you writing that makes you superior.


Give her a break, she sent that from her $20 phone.
 
2013-04-27 01:28:03 PM
I'll take this opportunity to say I miss my blackberry. Yes, it only did a third of what this samsung does, but it did 95% of it flawlessly, whereas the samsung does about 50% of what it does only passibly.

There have been times where my phone wouldn't make a call.
 
2013-04-27 02:46:00 PM

Goimir: I'll take this opportunity to say I miss my blackberry. Yes, it only did a third of what this samsung does, but it did 95% of it flawlessly, whereas the samsung does about 50% of what it does only passibly.

There have been times where my phone wouldn't make a call.


What kind of Samsung?
 
2013-04-27 03:09:07 PM

ocirats: Goimir: I'll take this opportunity to say I miss my blackberry. Yes, it only did a third of what this samsung does, but it did 95% of it flawlessly, whereas the samsung does about 50% of what it does only passibly.

There have been times where my phone wouldn't make a call.

What kind of Samsung?


Captivate glide
 
2013-04-27 04:46:59 PM
kptchris: I pay AT&T 140$ USD per month for 450 minutes. Unlimited Text, 5gb Data and Tethering.

Damn

I pay verizon $81 USD per month for 400 minutes, unlimited text, 4B of data

This includes a 20% discount (on hardware and service) since I work for a company that's sort of a Verizon (and AT&T partner). So my real bill would be 101.25)
(I don't know about tethering, never needed to do it, but ~$39 more sounds like a lot just for that).

// what verizon may lack in customer support, they make up for in coverage. And I've been able to mitigate the customer support side.
// to this day, over a decade since I moved in, people with sprint phones still don't get a signal here in my condo. Just 1 mile away from a major university.
 
2013-04-27 05:20:26 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: $150 Nokia are [i.imgur.com image 682x404]
/And can run rings around the cheapest Android devices


After they killed MeeGo, Nokia can go DIAF.
 
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