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(Guardian)   What's America's latest safety plan? A) Background checks for gun owners B) Restrictions on weapons available to the public C) Dress your kids in bulletproof school uniforms   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 113
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2013-04-26 02:57:24 PM  
Well, you can wait for legislation to eventually pass that probably won't save your little one if another crazy person lights up a school, or you can do something about it.  Sounds like these parents are real go-getter types.
 
2013-04-26 03:34:03 PM  
So, we're going to dress the likely school shooter in paid-for body armor?
 
2013-04-26 03:36:22 PM  

Relatively Obscure: So, we're going to dress the likely school shooter in paid-for body armor?


Like wanting to put weapons ON the plane, they never really think these things through the whole way.
 
2013-04-26 03:52:12 PM  
In fairness, they weigh them down with 40 lbs of textbooks,2-3 lbs of backpack, a few binders, about 15lbs of bling. They're just preparing the leaders of tommorow, Sisyphus style.
 
2013-04-26 03:52:19 PM  
Another article from the gun fearing UK (EEK! A GUN!) making it seem like some fringe thing is sweeping America. How many have they sold total? 500? Some schools have more kids than that.
 
2013-04-26 03:53:05 PM  
How about the obvious, effective solution: give some of the teachers conceled carry permits and nice little pistols....
 
2013-04-26 03:54:05 PM  
Culture of fear FTW!!!!!
 
2013-04-26 03:54:14 PM  
If the solution does not mean more money for gun manufacturers, then it will never pass congress.
 
2013-04-26 03:54:24 PM  
Only $300 for a fleeting illusion of increased safety? Makes sense to me.
 
2013-04-26 03:55:05 PM  
Well they already have those backpacks that are bullet proof.
 
2013-04-26 03:55:12 PM  
In medicine, treating the symptom and hoping it will make the diesease go away is what's known as "stupid."
 
2013-04-26 03:56:01 PM  

brap: Relatively Obscure: So, we're going to dress the likely school shooter in paid-for body armor?

Like wanting to put weapons ON the plane, they never really think these things through the whole way.


Yes, we should go back to passing all those laws that criminals will faithfully follow
 
2013-04-26 03:56:34 PM  

mark12A: How about the obvious, effective solution: give some of the teachers conceled carry permits and nice little pistols....


"Obvious" to the insane.

The NRA getting what it wants on this will lead to a wave of support to crush them, so go nuts, nutty.
 
2013-04-26 03:56:38 PM  
Not going to protect against rifles though. Armor is pretty useless in that regard.
 
2013-04-26 03:56:52 PM  

Itstoearly: brap: Relatively Obscure: So, we're going to dress the likely school shooter in paid-for body armor?

Like wanting to put weapons ON the plane, they never really think these things through the whole way.

Yes, we should go back to passing all those laws that criminals will faithfully follow


Ceiling Cat is watching you masturdebate.
 
2013-04-26 03:56:52 PM  
This country has totally gone insane.
 
2013-04-26 03:56:56 PM  
Didn't we have an article a while back about bullet-resistant backpacks?

Anyway, if you were making the clothing resistant; it would be too heavy for the kids to wear. Plus, it would be expensive as hell to provide multiple resistant items to wear. Plus, kids are always growing; so, you'd have to replace the items often.

/ maybe we should just get steel doors with no windows that you can't shoot open for all of the classrooms
 
2013-04-26 03:57:04 PM  
Oh!  OH!!  I want Boba Fett armor!!

I would totally endure high school all over again for that!!
 
2013-04-26 03:57:07 PM  
Did someone read the NRA's "arm the teachers" proposal and think, "that's not quite stupid enough, I can top it"?
 
2013-04-26 03:59:39 PM  

Itstoearly: brap: Relatively Obscure: So, we're going to dress the likely school shooter in paid-for body armor?

Like wanting to put weapons ON the plane, they never really think these things through the whole way.

Yes, we should go back to passing all those laws that criminals will faithfully follow



I know you're probably trolling.  But you realize that a criminal, by definition, does not follow the law, right?  You could literally make this argument about anything.   We shouldn't have speed limits, because irresponsible drivers will just break them; we shouldn't have drunk driving laws because criminals will drive drunk anyways; heroin should be legal and unregulated because junkies will just find their drugs no matter what; and so on and so forth.
 
2013-04-26 04:01:03 PM  

Walker: Another article from the gun fearing UK (EEK! A GUN!) making it seem like some fringe thing is sweeping America. How many have they sold total? 500? Some schools have more kids than that.


Yeah, in the public schools I went to 500 wouldn't have covered a single grade, let alone a school.
 
2013-04-26 04:01:38 PM  

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: Did someone read the NRA's "arm the teachers" proposal and think, "that's not quite stupid enough, I can top it"?



Every single American should have a deadly weapon on their person at all times.  It's the only way to have a safe society that is free of violence.

/the NRA is insane.
 
2013-04-26 04:01:59 PM  

Source4leko: This country has totally gone insane.


You didn't figure this out like 10 years ago? Americans are cowards.
 
2013-04-26 04:03:38 PM  

Electromax: Walker: Another article from the gun fearing UK (EEK! A GUN!) making it seem like some fringe thing is sweeping America. How many have they sold total? 500? Some schools have more kids than that.

Yeah, in the public schools I went to 500 wouldn't have covered a single grade, let alone a school.



Well, maybe you should realize that foreigners looking at America's crazy obsession with guns (and nonsensical gun laws) see it as completely ridiculous.  And rightly so.
 
2013-04-26 04:04:26 PM  

moothemagiccow: Source4leko: This country has totally gone insane.

You didn't figure this out like 10 years ago? Americans are cowards.


No, I did after everyone was constantly shiatting their pants for years after 9-11.  This really just takes thing to a whole other level to me.
 
2013-04-26 04:04:56 PM  

Source4leko: This country has totally gone insane.


This encapsulates the situation well.

This country has gone off the rails. But when you see the who's driving, all while screaming to the rest of us in the back seat to just close our eyes and everything will be fine, then it's to be expected.
 
2013-04-26 04:05:46 PM  
Hey guys. Let's all go to DC and hold a huge anti-NRA rally just like they did yesterday.

Ya did hear about it didn't ya? Well maybe not on the major networks. Trust me. It happened.

/With the turnout they could have held it in a phone booth.
 
2013-04-26 04:06:21 PM  

moothemagiccow: Source4leko: This country has totally gone insane.

You didn't figure this out like 10 years ago? Americans are cowards.


We're not all cowards, just some of us. The corporate and Congressional assholes who continue to whip up their fearful faithful are the ones who will destroy this country from within.
 
2013-04-26 04:08:28 PM  
Yeah because school budgets are just so burgeoning with overflow cash right now.  That money wouldn't be better spent on something like a farking computer or new text books or anything like that.

Also, side note... 40lbs of books? Kindle is pretty cheap right now.
 
2013-04-26 04:09:08 PM  
Why not, construction workers hard hats, and since keeping guns away from crazies is some how bad I guess this would be a good thing.
 
2013-04-26 04:09:45 PM  

Citrate1007: If the solution does not mean more money for gun manufacturers, then it will never pass congress.


Gun manufacturers are actually pretty small compared to other industries.  As an example, the NSSF and NRA together spent about $24 million on the 2012 election.  Michael Bloomberg spent about the same amount of money to counter the NRA and NSSF.  That's not counting money from the Joyce Foundation, so anti-gun organizations actually out-spent pro-gun ones.

It's not the money, it's the votes.

So long as people like you believe that it's about money, and not the ability of grassroots to mobilize and contact politicians with a credible threat of action against them if they don't play ball, you will never understand why things happen the way they do.

Support for gun control may be a mile wide after a tragedy, but it's only an inch deep.  Gun rights supporters are fewer in number, but they are there year after year, saying the same things over and over.   The support for gun rights may be only a few hundred yards wide, but it's thousands of feet deep.
 
2013-04-26 04:09:49 PM  
Helmets too.  Don't forget those.

Unless one subscribes to the notion that would be shooters would approach a child and say "Damnit, you've got body armor, I cannot kill you as I planned".

Let the inmates run the asylum lest you worry about getting them upset.
 
2013-04-26 04:09:59 PM  
The Japanese have a different idea: vending machine camouflage.

i44.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-26 04:10:13 PM  

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: Did someone read the NRA's "arm the teachers" proposal and think, "that's not quite stupid enough, I can top it"?


If teachers were armed and trained to respond to an incident; why would that be a bad thing?

Teachers are already expected to act as parents, teachers, paramedics, counselors and mathimagiciatians. Why not add member of a swat team to that?

/ not serious

// still wonder why all schools don't have armed on-campus security
 
2013-04-26 04:10:58 PM  
Just waiting for bomb suits for marathon runners to show up.
 
2013-04-26 04:11:26 PM  

dittybopper: Citrate1007: If the solution does not mean more money for gun manufacturers, then it will never pass congress.

Gun manufacturers are actually pretty small compared to other industries.  As an example, the NSSF and NRA together spent about $24 million on the 2012 election.  Michael Bloomberg spent about the same amount of money to counter the NRA and NSSF.  That's not counting money from the Joyce Foundation, so anti-gun organizations actually out-spent pro-gun ones.

It's not the money, it's the votes.

So long as people like you believe that it's about money, and not the ability of grassroots to mobilize and contact politicians with a credible threat of action against them if they don't play ball, you will never understand why things happen the way they do.

Support for gun control may be a mile wide after a tragedy, but it's only an inch deep.  Gun rights supporters are fewer in number, but they are there year after year, saying the same things over and over.   The support for gun rights may be only a few hundred yards wide, but it's thousands of feet deep.


I watched a great beer documentary, it was narrated by the woman who founded Mikes... they said that beer spends more than both the gun & tobacco lobbies combined.

So rest of the world: that is why Budweiser.

:(
 
2013-04-26 04:12:00 PM  
This is stupid and wouldn't work anyway.
 
2013-04-26 04:13:02 PM  
WHAR NINETY PERCENT OF AMERICANS POLLED WHAR
 
2013-04-26 04:13:42 PM  

jjorsett: The Japanese have a different idea: vending machine camouflage.

[i44.tinypic.com image 450x300]


A shudder on what comes out of the slot..

//epic if they give correct change and dispense the actual product.
 
2013-04-26 04:14:26 PM  

Source4leko: This country has totally gone insane.


And not just lately. Remember the people after the 9/11 anthrax attacks who went out and started downing Cipro? This is just the latest manifestation of a phenomenon that's been going on a while. People have no idea how to figure out the likelihood of something actually happening.
 
2013-04-26 04:14:26 PM  

Chummer45: Electromax: Walker: Another article from the gun fearing UK (EEK! A GUN!) making it seem like some fringe thing is sweeping America. How many have they sold total? 500? Some schools have more kids than that.

Yeah, in the public schools I went to 500 wouldn't have covered a single grade, let alone a school.


Well, maybe you should realize that foreigners looking at America's crazy obsession with guns (and nonsensical gun laws) see it as completely ridiculous.  And rightly so.


I'm not sure if you meant to respond to me, but I was just commenting on school sizes. I don't own a gun and I'm not really interested to. Not everyone in America is the NRA.
 
2013-04-26 04:15:15 PM  

Somaticasual: jjorsett: The Japanese have a different idea: vending machine camouflage.

[i44.tinypic.com image 450x300]

A shudder on what comes out of the slot..

//epic if they give correct change and dispense the actual product.


My money is on transformer (3:1) or tentacle (1:7)
 
2013-04-26 04:15:30 PM  

Somaticasual: jjorsett: The Japanese have a different idea: vending machine camouflage.

[i44.tinypic.com image 450x300]

A shudder on what comes out of the slot..

//epic if they give correct change and dispense the actual product.


Welllllll....if by correct product, you mean used panties, then yes.

/ you don't want to know what comes out instead of change.
 
2013-04-26 04:18:05 PM  

Electromax: Chummer45: Electromax: Walker: Another article from the gun fearing UK (EEK! A GUN!) making it seem like some fringe thing is sweeping America. How many have they sold total? 500? Some schools have more kids than that.

Yeah, in the public schools I went to 500 wouldn't have covered a single grade, let alone a school.


Well, maybe you should realize that foreigners looking at America's crazy obsession with guns (and nonsensical gun laws) see it as completely ridiculous.  And rightly so.

I'm not sure if you meant to respond to me, but I was just commenting on school sizes. I don't own a gun and I'm not really interested to. Not everyone in America is the NRA.


~1.2%, but apparently all Americans are NRA'ers according to foreigners, all gun owners are NRA'ers by the non gun owners in America and we will continue to overhaul our lives for events which effect 0.0000003% of people.
 
2013-04-26 04:22:47 PM  
Oi.
 
2013-04-26 04:25:14 PM  
"Doctor, this knife sticking out of my back really hurts."

"Just sleep on your stomach from now on."
 
2013-04-26 04:26:27 PM  
Gun violence may be the only major public health issue in which we make no attempt to prevent harm and then place all the responsibility for avoiding that harm on the victims....
 
2013-04-26 04:28:59 PM  

skozlaw: Gun violence may be the only major public health issue in which we make no attempt to prevent harm and then place all the responsibility for avoiding that harm on the victims....


We did this AIDS for a few years.
 
2013-04-26 04:30:39 PM  

Chummer45: Itstoearly: brap: Relatively Obscure: So, we're going to dress the likely school shooter in paid-for body armor?

Like wanting to put weapons ON the plane, they never really think these things through the whole way.

Yes, we should go back to passing all those laws that criminals will faithfully follow


I know you're probably trolling.  But you realize that a criminal, by definition, does not follow the law, right?  You could literally make this argument about anything.   We shouldn't have speed limits, because irresponsible drivers will just break them; we shouldn't have drunk driving laws because criminals will drive drunk anyways; heroin should be legal and unregulated because junkies will just find their drugs no matter what; and so on and so forth.


Yes, that's kind of the point to my argument.  We already have gun laws that make certain activities illegal, so why would passing more laws in that vein reduce crime?  Are there criminals who are going to say "Oh man, they're getting serious, they just passed more gun laws.  I guess I'll turn in my illegal gun now."?
 
2013-04-26 04:33:17 PM  

Itstoearly: brap: Relatively Obscure: So, we're going to dress the likely school shooter in paid-for body armor?

Like wanting to put weapons ON the plane, they never really think these things through the whole way.

Yes, we should go back to passing all those laws that criminals will faithfully follow


I have mixed feelings on these types of issues. The Aurora shooting? No amount of gun laws would have prevented it. He STOLE the guns he used from family members who obtained them legally (IIRC). So did the guy who shot up the school in Watertown. Heroin, cocaine, and even POT are illegal, how many people has that stopped? There's people who come on Fark all the time and mention getting high when they get home and whatnot.

Now, I'm all for pot being legalized if they can control and regulate it. But for the time being it's still illegal and that hasn't stopped anyone who wants to use it.

Adding more laws to something isn't going to stop lawbreakers. It's really only going to hurt law abiding citizens. Sure, there should be extensive background checks no matter where you buy a gun. There should be mental health clauses in those checks.

I don't think this is a horribly bad idea, though I think it's a bit fear-monger-ish. I don't think the kids should go to school in fear. I also am unsure where I stand on teachers having guns. It might help, it might hinder. The backpacks themselves aren't a bad idea though.
 
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