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2013-04-26 01:05:26 PM  
Haven't opened the article.. but IU am guessing his name is followed by a (R)?
 
2013-04-26 01:09:04 PM  
Gotta love that respect for democracy there. A couple dozen people voted to block the ability of the people to exercise their right to hold a referendum because another small group of people write the checks.
 
2013-04-26 01:09:27 PM  
The mayor here in Philly just vetoed similar legislation a few weeks ago.

/the mayor here is a Democrat
 
2013-04-26 01:14:16 PM  

naughtyrev: Gotta love that respect for democracy there. A couple dozen people voted to block the ability of the people to exercise their right to hold a referendum because another small group of people write the checks.


Yep.  Take Orange County for example.

The people have no say.  But entertainment and hospitality lobbyists can work the commissioners like freaking marionettes while the actual debate was occurring.
 
2013-04-26 01:58:51 PM  
So you'd rather have someone come in with strep and infect the entire, or if they are in food service, many many more people, than to have them stay home two days and come in when they are no longer contagious?  is that what I'm seeing?
 
2013-04-26 02:22:34 PM  

ManateeGag: So you'd rather have someone come in with strep and infect the entire, or if they are in food service, many many more people, than to have them stay home two days and come in when they are no longer contagious?  is that what I'm seeing?


Welcome to Florida. They don't believe in Darwinian evolution, they just practice survival of the fittest.
 
2013-04-26 02:28:25 PM  
So when it's the federal government it should keep it's nose out of local matters, but when it's the state government it should meddle all it wants. That's not the least bit contradictory....
 
2013-04-26 02:34:10 PM  
The Republican hatred of the working class is absolutely astounding

/they really do want to return to slavery
 
2013-04-26 02:38:18 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The Republican hatred of the working class is absolutely astounding

/they really do want to return to slavery


What the majority of the people who label themselves as Republicans don't seem to get is that they would be the slaves.
 
2013-04-26 02:52:59 PM  
Earned sick pay, no less.
 
2013-04-26 03:05:24 PM  
I'm off work sick at the moment, and coughing violently while infectious, and have visited my doctor three times in the last couple of weeks, so I'm really getting a kick etc.

Thankfully I live in the socialist paradise of Great Britain so I get sick pay and the doctor visits cost me nothing. Each course of antibiotics did cost me $12 though.
 
2013-04-26 03:24:44 PM  

Flint Ironstag: I'm off work sick at the moment, and coughing violently while infectious, and have visited my doctor three times in the last couple of weeks, so I'm really getting a kick etc.

Thankfully I live in the socialist paradise of Great Britain so I get sick pay and the doctor visits cost me nothing. Each course of antibiotics did cost me $12 though.


Did they administer the antibiotics?  Because even that would have been free here in Canada.
 
2013-04-26 03:26:30 PM  
Fine. I'll just come to work and get everyone else sick.

Let the companies do as they will. So long as the executives are equally exposed to the sneezes and germs, I'm all for this. Otherwise, this is class-based discrimination and segregated working conditions.
 
2013-04-26 03:35:46 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The Republican hatred of the working class is absolutely astounding

/they really do want to return to slavery

What the majority of the people who label themselves as Republicans don't seem to get is that they would be the slaves.


Exactly.

And when they are I'm going to fark them beyond measure.
 
2013-04-26 03:43:32 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The Republican hatred of the working class is absolutely astounding

/they really do want to return to slavery



Not quite. I think they want the Confederate model. They may be poor, but they won't be the poorest. The bottom will consist of a visibly-identifiable underclass.
 
2013-04-26 03:45:12 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The Republican hatred of the working class is absolutely astounding

/they really do want to return to slavery

What the majority of the people who label themselves as Republicans don't seem to get is that they would be the slaves.


Pffft, they play lotto every day.
 
2013-04-26 03:49:30 PM  
But won't someone please think of the poor company administrator that will have to deal with a "patchwork of laws" regarding sick leave?

Heaven forbid the poor administrator has to have different sick leave policies for its stores in Tampa and Orlando.

I love how the GOP always gives handouts to business then tries to claim that it's just trying to make the system "efficient."  I guess eliminating regulations is "efficient" in that it makes it easier for companies to not provide paid sick leave.  But I think there's a problem with a political party who thinks the only obligation of the government is to help businesses save money - particularly where it's at the expense of public health.
 
2013-04-26 03:50:24 PM  
cdn.theatlantic.com

USA, we're number one in screwing the working man.


/and people wonder why there are unions in the US.
 
2013-04-26 03:50:25 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: FirstNationalBastard: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The Republican hatred of the working class is absolutely astounding

/they really do want to return to slavery

What the majority of the people who label themselves as Republicans don't seem to get is that they would be the slaves.

Pffft, they play lotto every day.


And if this passes, so will we all.

// germ lotto
// currently losing, but it's been a 3-day rally
// you watch your ass, lung mucus
 
2013-04-26 03:51:42 PM  

abb3w: Welcome to Florida. They don't believe in Darwinian evolution, they just practice survival of the fittest.


So, basically, Florida will eventually be nothing but Latino immigrants since the only other big alternative is old people who uh... aren't exactly the fittest, generally speaking?
 
2013-04-26 03:53:33 PM  

skozlaw: abb3w: Welcome to Florida. They don't believe in Darwinian evolution, they just practice survival of the fittest.

So, basically, Florida will eventually be nothing but Latino immigrants since the only other big alternative is old people who uh... aren't exactly the fittest, generally speaking?


They're full of medication though.
 
2013-04-26 03:53:45 PM  
If you get sick, you shouldn't come to work. that would be cruel and unusual, not to mention bad policy. You should simply be fired for cause (getting sick), lose your health insurance, and not receive unemployment benefits. They are lawful, not chaotic, evil
 
2013-04-26 03:53:55 PM  

dennysgod: USA, we're number one in screwing the working man.


Yea, but the payoff is that we have more expendable income than anybody in the world.

So, yes, we have terrible basic protections and most people are living on the razor's edge of ruin as a result.... but.. hey.... lots of bread and circuses....
 
2013-04-26 03:56:40 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: They're full of medication though.


So when we can no longer afford decent healthcare and have to go to work anyway to avoid missing a paycheck we can just eat them instead of going to the pharmacy?

/ wait.... was that not the point?
 
2013-04-26 03:59:39 PM  
"There is a need for uniform regulation throughout the state," said Simmons. "If you happen to be an employer who has multiple locations, you can imagine if you had to deal with a patchwork of various regulations. In the local government, it would be a disaster."

You mean a patchwork of various regulations like local sales tax? Local sales tax has really turned into a farking disaster for employers with multiple locations...
 
2013-04-26 04:01:03 PM  
"If you happen to be an employer who has multiple locations, you can imagine if you had to deal with a patchwork of various regulations. In the local government, it would be a disaster."


Yeah, imagine if there were 50 little fiefdoms who could make up their own regulations.  It would be far better to have one set of laws.
 
2013-04-26 04:01:38 PM  

codergirl42: "There is a need for uniform regulation throughout the state," said Simmons. "If you happen to be an employer who has multiple locations, you can imagine if you had to deal with a patchwork of various regulations. In the local government, it would be a disaster."

You mean a patchwork of various regulations like local sales tax? Local sales tax has really turned into a farking disaster for employers with multiple locations...


It's why there is no such thing as a multinational corporation either.

The one I'm sitting in right now is imaginary.
 
2013-04-26 04:02:56 PM  

mrshowrules: Flint Ironstag: I'm off work sick at the moment, and coughing violently while infectious, and have visited my doctor three times in the last couple of weeks, so I'm really getting a kick etc.

Thankfully I live in the socialist paradise of Great Britain so I get sick pay and the doctor visits cost me nothing. Each course of antibiotics did cost me $12 though.

Did they administer the antibiotics?  Because even that would have been free here in Canada.


Prescriptions in the UK are a flat rate of £7.85 per prescription. Kids, the elderly, expectant and new mothers, certain unemployed and other very poor people and people with particular illnesses get prescriptions for free.
 
2013-04-26 04:03:13 PM  

mab1823: "If you happen to be an employer who has multiple locations, you can imagine if you had to deal with a patchwork of various regulations. In the local government, it would be a disaster."


Yeah, imagine if there were 50 little fiefdoms who could make up their own regulations.  It would be far better to have one set of laws.


So you are cool with federalism?
 
2013-04-26 04:05:19 PM  

mab1823: "If you happen to be an employer who has multiple locations, you can imagine if you had to deal with a patchwork of various regulations. In the local government, it would be a disaster."


Yeah, imagine if there were 50 little fiefdoms who could make up their own regulations.  It would be far better to have one set of laws.


Woops, I see what you did there.
 
2013-04-26 04:06:13 PM  
I can see his point.  It could be difficult to juggle different regulations.

Having one regulation, which mandates paid sick leave throughout the state solves that issue?

After all, there is every indication that having paid sick time actually leads to higher productivity and, oddly, lower deaths.

Though I expect the government is probably lying about it.   http://healthfinder.gov/News/Article.aspx?id=667187
 
2013-04-26 04:07:39 PM  

mrshowrules: Flint Ironstag: I'm off work sick at the moment, and coughing violently while infectious, and have visited my doctor three times in the last couple of weeks, so I'm really getting a kick etc.

Thankfully I live in the socialist paradise of Great Britain so I get sick pay and the doctor visits cost me nothing. Each course of antibiotics did cost me $12 though.

Did they administer the antibiotics?  Because even that would have been free here in Canada.


I hate both of you.

Would either of you be interested in a sham marriage so I can get the hell out of the US?

Anyway, are people starting to understand yet that corporate greed is a huge problem? *crickets*
 
2013-04-26 04:09:12 PM  
I_Am_Weasel: I can see his point.   It could be difficult to juggle different regulations.

Not really we already have business regulations by county and municipality. If you want to do business in an area you comply with the laws in that area. It's not difficult.
 
2013-04-26 04:12:27 PM  
It depends on the employer as well.  I've had to come into work sick because my boss said they needed the coverage.


/medical transcriptionist
 
2013-04-26 04:12:53 PM  

Needlessly Complicated: mrshowrules: Flint Ironstag: I'm off work sick at the moment, and coughing violently while infectious, and have visited my doctor three times in the last couple of weeks, so I'm really getting a kick etc.

Thankfully I live in the socialist paradise of Great Britain so I get sick pay and the doctor visits cost me nothing. Each course of antibiotics did cost me $12 though.

Did they administer the antibiotics?  Because even that would have been free here in Canada.

I hate both of you.

Would either of you be interested in a sham marriage so I can get the hell out of the US?

Anyway, are people starting to understand yet that corporate greed is a huge problem? *crickets*


Corporate greed isn't the problem.  It is the voters not electing politicians who put checks and balances in place against the corporate greed.  Despite having single-payer, Canada still has a robust private sector economy in health care and health care insurance.
 
2013-04-26 04:13:39 PM  
This is going to make for another great Typhoid Mary episode. Enjoy a kitchen worker's sinuses dripping into your food.
 
2013-04-26 04:14:45 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: I can see his point.  It could be difficult to juggle different regulations.



My team has no problem juggling the regulations of 50 different countries that we have offices in.

It's solving for a problem that simply doesn't exist.
 
2013-04-26 04:15:11 PM  

Diogenes: naughtyrev: Gotta love that respect for democracy there. A couple dozen people voted to block the ability of the people to exercise their right to hold a referendum because another small group of people write the checks.

Yep.  Take Orange County for example.

The people have no say.  But entertainment and hospitality lobbyists can work the commissioners like freaking marionettes while the actual debate was occurring.


Not to mention they all deleted their text messages on their county-issued cell phones to each other and their lobbyist buddies (WHEN this actual hearing was going on), then pulled the "Should I have not done that? Was that wrong?" card.  

/Ms. Jacobs, this flaming bag of dog shiat is for you, sign here please.
 
2013-04-26 04:15:36 PM  
It's not just Florida. The "small gub'mint" Republicans here in NC have introduced a sweeping bill that will allow any state environmental protection regulations/laws to override any local ones. I could have read it wrong, but it looks like that bill will also allow for certain private land exemptions from environmental laws too. No big deal until you realize that there are some pretty nasty things on private land that would affect public aquifers
 
2013-04-26 04:16:44 PM  

Tigger: I_Am_Weasel: I can see his point.  It could be difficult to juggle different regulations.


My team has no problem juggling the regulations of 50 different countries that we have offices in.

It's solving for a problem that simply doesn't exist.


The problem is those uppity voters thinking they should be treated with dignity.
 
2013-04-26 04:17:20 PM  
If their beef is really with having statewide consistency, then I'm sure none of these fine legislators would have a problem with putting it on a state ballot.

Check back when it makes the state ballot and see how much these farks change their tune.

Also, if it truly is being rejected because 'boo-hoo local variation,' why was it fought tooth and nail (and illegally) in Orange County as I cited above -- Lobbyists texting county commissioners IN SESSION while debating it
 
2013-04-26 04:18:27 PM  
My sarcasm is unloved.

*sniff*
 
2013-04-26 04:18:37 PM  

Third Day Mark: /Ms. Jacobs, this flaming bag of dog shiat is for you, sign here please.


And she's running for reelection.  She deserves  KHITBASH.
 
2013-04-26 04:18:52 PM  
This is why corporate political donations needs to be banned period. private donations only and all must be disclosed fully.
 
2013-04-26 04:23:04 PM  

Diogenes: Third Day Mark: /Ms. Jacobs, this flaming bag of dog shiat is for you, sign here please.

And she's running for reelection.  She deserves  KHITBASH.


I doubt she wins.  Jim Philips is pretty pissed off at her and he touts himself as getting her elected in the first place.
 
2013-04-26 04:23:29 PM  
So then, if it's better to have statewide laws instead of a patchwork of local laws, shouldn't we have federal laws, instead of a patchwork of state laws?

Better yet...BRAINWAVE!...shouldn't we have One World Government?
 
2013-04-26 04:23:48 PM  
Oh, spiffy!  Tyvm  Diogenes!
 
2013-04-26 04:26:24 PM  

Third Day Mark: Oh, spiffy!  Tyvm  Diogenes!


No problem, neighbor.
 
2013-04-26 04:27:54 PM  
I'm sure Governor Lex Luthor is eager as Hell to sign this P.O.S..
 
2013-04-26 04:28:19 PM  
How about everyone boycott all restaurants in Florida because you don't want sick people making your food? Think that would impact businesses in Florida?
 
2013-04-26 04:28:54 PM  
Making sure regulations are the same across the state to make things easier on businesses?  OK, sure.
But then turn around and pass a law requiring that they all give sick leave across the state.  You bastards.
 
2013-04-26 04:30:30 PM  

silvervial: How about everyone boycott all restaurants in Florida because you don't want sick people making your food? Think that would impact businesses in Florida?


I already do, but not on purpose.

/Darden is 'spensive.
//I'z poor college kid.
 
2013-04-26 04:31:41 PM  

silvervial: How about everyone boycott all restaurants in Florida because you don't want sick people making your food? Think that would impact businesses in Florida?


Ya but think of the fires, burns and trips to the ER when all those idiots try cooking for themselves.
 
2013-04-26 04:32:23 PM  

Flint Ironstag: I'm off work sick at the moment, and coughing violently while infectious, and have visited my doctor three times in the last couple of weeks, so I'm really getting a kick etc.

Thankfully I live in the socialist paradise of Great Britain so I get sick pay and the doctor visits cost me nothing. Each course of antibiotics did cost me $12 though.


How does it feel to not be free?
 
2013-04-26 04:32:40 PM  

Lost Thought 00: If you get sick, you shouldn't come to work. that would be cruel and unusual, not to mention bad policy. You should simply be fired for cause (getting sick), lose your health insurance, and not receive unemployment benefits. They are lawful, not chaotic, evil


You just reminded me of how I got fired once from a restaurant job for breaking my foot (no, it was not broken on the job).
 
2013-04-26 04:34:13 PM  

ManateeGag: So you'd rather have someone come in with strep and infect the entire, or if they are in food service, many many more people, than to have them stay home two days and come in when they are no longer contagious?  is that what I'm seeing?


No, you are not understanding, they don't want sick employees to come in to work, they just don't want to have to pay them for not coming into work.
 
2013-04-26 04:34:40 PM  
FL Legislature wants you to work while you're sick, and makes sure you have no say in the matter

And of course TFA says nothing of the sort, rather being about a legislator wanting uniformity of regulations regarding sick pay rather than a patchwork where every podunk municipality can have a different set that businesses have to deal with. The horror.
 
2013-04-26 04:38:35 PM  

mrshowrules: Needlessly Complicated: mrshowrules: Flint Ironstag: I'm off work sick at the moment, and coughing violently while infectious, and have visited my doctor three times in the last couple of weeks, so I'm really getting a kick etc.

Thankfully I live in the socialist paradise of Great Britain so I get sick pay and the doctor visits cost me nothing. Each course of antibiotics did cost me $12 though.

Did they administer the antibiotics?  Because even that would have been free here in Canada.

I hate both of you.

Would either of you be interested in a sham marriage so I can get the hell out of the US?

Anyway, are people starting to understand yet that corporate greed is a huge problem? *crickets*

Corporate greed isn't the problem.  It is the voters not electing politicians who put checks and balances in place against the corporate greed.  Despite having single-payer, Canada still has a robust private sector economy in health care and health care insurance.


Here's how it works here, though: Moneyed interests (big corporations) put money in candidates' coffers who get elected by dumb people* who are dumb because the moneyed interests get the elected politicians to legislate tax breaks and lax regulations for them while decreasing funding for public education (and anything else that would benefit the populace). Candidates continued to be rewarded by these moneyed interests. And so it goes in a vicious cycle. For the record, I am not anti-capitalism. I'm pro-capitalism but not at the expense of the welfare of the general populace.

*These candidates know how to appeal to dumber voters' emotions and base instincts as well, but that's another story for another time.
 
2013-04-26 04:40:49 PM  

jjorsett: FL Legislature wants you to work while you're sick, and makes sure you have no say in the matter

And of course TFA says nothing of the sort, rather being about a legislator wanting uniformity of regulations regarding sick pay rather than a patchwork where every podunk municipality can have a different set that businesses have to deal with. The horror.


Then how and why was is squashed in Orange County, by Orange County?  It wasn't because they wanted to wait for statewide uniformity.
 
2013-04-26 04:43:51 PM  
See this?
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This could  be us some day america.  We are well on our way, but we got to really really want it to make it to this greatness.
Dont chicken out now, just a little longer, a little further, and a little less rights.
 
2013-04-26 04:45:29 PM  

Needlessly Complicated: Here's how it works here, though: Moneyed interests (big corporations) put money in candidates' coffers who get elected by dumb people* who are dumb because the moneyed interests get the elected politicians to legislate tax breaks and lax regulations for them while decreasing funding for public education (and anything else that would benefit the populace). Candidates continued to be rewarded by these moneyed interests. And so it goes in a vicious cycle. For the record, I am not anti-capitalism. I'm pro-capitalism but not at the expense of the welfare of the general populace.

*These candidates know how to appeal to dumber voters' emotions and base instincts as well, but that's another story for another time.


True but the underlying problem is this:

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-26 04:55:12 PM  
Small government?
 
2013-04-26 05:05:54 PM  
Smallpox government?
 
2013-04-26 05:14:00 PM  

jjorsett: FL Legislature wants you to work while you're sick, and makes sure you have no say in the matter

And of course TFA says nothing of the sort, rather being about a legislator wanting uniformity of regulations regarding sick pay rather than a patchwork where every podunk municipality can have a different set that businesses have to deal with. The horror.


*wink wink*

You have to be one ignorant son of a biatch (or Republican...but I repeat myself) if you think this has anything to do with differences between municipalities for multiple locations.  This is 100% about limiting sick pay for workers.  San Francisco implemented this policy in 2006.  Has it affected businesses in one of the nation's major centers of commerce?
 
2013-04-26 05:35:17 PM  
Wait, there is a chance for someone somewhere to get something for doing nothing on someone elses dime! DEMOCRATS MOBILIZE!!
 
2013-04-26 06:02:51 PM  

organizmx: Flint Ironstag: I'm off work sick at the moment, and coughing violently while infectious, and have visited my doctor three times in the last couple of weeks, so I'm really getting a kick etc.

Thankfully I live in the socialist paradise of Great Britain so I get sick pay and the doctor visits cost me nothing. Each course of antibiotics did cost me $12 though.

How does it feel to not be free?


Like not being "free" to be driven into bankruptcy by medical bills? Like being free from having to choose whether or not to call an ambulance for someone because they might just be really drunk and if I call an ambulance they'll get stuck with a $1000 bill?

I'm also free from having to carry ID when driving, free from having to give my name and address to any cop who asks*, free to video cops with my cellphone*, and cops aren't allowed to lie to me during questioning, I feel quite happy actually.

*Unlike many states in the US.
 
2013-04-26 06:10:02 PM  

mrshowrules: Needlessly Complicated: Here's how it works here, though: Moneyed interests (big corporations) put money in candidates' coffers who get elected by dumb people* who are dumb because the moneyed interests get the elected politicians to legislate tax breaks and lax regulations for them while decreasing funding for public education (and anything else that would benefit the populace). Candidates continued to be rewarded by these moneyed interests. And so it goes in a vicious cycle. For the record, I am not anti-capitalism. I'm pro-capitalism but not at the expense of the welfare of the general populace.

*These candidates know how to appeal to dumber voters' emotions and base instincts as well, but that's another story for another time.

True but the underlying problem is this:

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If you don't want an someone's ignorance to count as much as your knowledge then you don't want democracy.
 
2013-04-26 06:30:12 PM  
"There is a need for uniform regulation throughout the state," said Simmons. "If you happen to be an employer who has multiple locations, you can imagine if you had to deal with a patchwork of various regulations. In the local government, it would be a disaster."

If only there was some way for the state to pass a law that would affect everyone in the state the same way. Like, by maybe passing a law requiring all companies in FL to provide paid sick leave.
 
2013-04-26 07:05:07 PM  

Needlessly Complicated: *These candidates know how to appeal to dumber voters' emotions and base instincts as well, but that's another story for another time.


No, that's actually quite relevant to the conversation, as it's the key method with which these leaders/candidates get poor people to rabidly support them without noticing the nuts and bolts of their positions.

If I were a GOP guy looking to win and were even slightly honest with a crowd, I'd be doomed. "My fellow Floridians. What I want is a state where we can freely rail against paid sick days, basic nutrition for those of you in trailer parks, oppose any increase of the minimum wage; where I can work unfettered towards the goal of my select friends getting all the breaks while you shore up the budget with cuts to programs designed to help you and, finally, so I can pretend you average to low-income folks in the Three Wolves t-shirts don't exist as long as things are going swimmingly for me."

Yeah, even the ignorant are going to get that. So instead I saw,

"Have you seen this Pelosi woman [who doesn't represent Florida but you hate her anyway] paling around with Obama over a lobster dinner when he should have been monitoring Benghazi? And what's with these girls who can't keep from getting pregnant? As a fiscal conservative, I don't understand why we're giving lil' Ms. High School chick food stamps when we already taught her the virtues of abstinence. And have you seen this new $100 bill Obama likes? It no longer says "In God We Trust." It's only a matter of time before his thugs come knocking on your door and demanding your Bibles. And if Iran wants a piece, I'm striking first. We'll put new oil rigs right here and solve everything. And what's with this Statue of David travelling exhibit? The guy's genitals are right there in front of our children. Is that the America you want for our kids' future? I'll take questions as soon as they turn off the fan that's making this flag behind me wave."

And I'd win, too. At least in the rural parts of my state. Not a word of this is satire (if embellished for effect).
 
2013-04-26 07:08:28 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: "There is a need for uniform regulation throughout the state," said Simmons. "If you happen to be an employer who has multiple locations, you can imagine if you had to deal with a patchwork of various regulations. In the local government, it would be a disaster."

If only there was some way for the state to pass a law that would affect everyone in the state the same way. Like, by maybe passing a law requiring all companies in FL to provide paid sick leave.


Why pass a law for it? Without the law they do not need to provide paid sick leave. If this is signed into law the whole issue is solved.
 
2013-04-26 08:07:06 PM  
Soon the 'employee health plan' will consist of a one shot revolver and a tarp.

You better have someone return the gun and tarp though or they will dock your pay posthumously.
 
2013-04-26 08:07:42 PM  

nmemkha: Soon the 'employee health plan' will consist of a one shot revolver and a tarp.

You better have someone return the gun and tarp though or they will dock your pay posthumously.


But, the bullet was free of charge.
 
2013-04-26 08:22:02 PM  

MBrady: naughtyrev: Gotta love that respect for democracy there. A couple dozen people voted to block the ability of the people to exercise their right to hold a referendum because another small group of people write the checks.

as opposed to a city council that would force companies within the city to provide sick days for employees.

as opposed to a president that is requiring/forcing people to have healthcare

as opposed to a state that put a referendum on the ballot, and when the population voted against what a group of people wanted, then got all butthurt and appealed the decision to the Supreme Court.

is that your definition of democracy?  or is that only when it doesn't go "your" way?


Because it's illegal to vote to repeal obamacare. Oh wait congress tries to all the time.

Making it illegal to even bring up an issue to vote on is wrong, no matter the issue. I may disagree with a lot of the stupid things that that are voted in to law but I believe the system should have the opportunity to work.

But since you preferred to just jump to a conclusion about me instead, I'll just say "fark you jackass"
 
2013-04-26 09:24:01 PM  

MBrady: naughtyrev: MBrady: naughtyrev: Gotta love that respect for democracy there. A couple dozen people voted to block the ability of the people to exercise their right to hold a referendum because another small group of people write the checks.

as opposed to a city council that would force companies within the city to provide sick days for employees.

as opposed to a president that is requiring/forcing people to have healthcare

as opposed to a state that put a referendum on the ballot, and when the population voted against what a group of people wanted, then got all butthurt and appealed the decision to the Supreme Court.

is that your definition of democracy?  or is that only when it doesn't go "your" way?

Because it's illegal to vote to repeal obamacare. Oh wait congress tries to all the time.

Making it illegal to even bring up an issue to vote on is wrong, no matter the issue. I may disagree with a lot of the stupid things that that are voted in to law but I believe the system should have the opportunity to work.

But since you preferred to just jump to a conclusion about me instead, I'll just say "fark you jackass"

oh, so because I, and anyone else who is a conservative, you and your liberal arts major, basement living, playing xbox buddies jump to the conclusion that we are "right wing nuts," or a teapartier, wacks off to Fox news, thinks the Earth is only 6,000 years old, etc etc,

How's it feel, jackass?

maybe if you respect people for their opinion and what they are saying, instead of assuming that because they disagree with you, that they are the anti-Christ; you might get further than your chief fry cook job at the fast food restaurant.

just because they have a differing opinion than you doesn't mean they are "wrong."  Ever hear of the term, "agree to disagree?"

now....

according to you, this was illegal was well, correct?  http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/house-democrats-refuse-show-sessio n -25190/

and this:  http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/17813424/house-democrats-refuse-to- a llow-vote-on-obamas-tax-cut-compromise?clienttype=printable

or is it only illegal when your side is wronged?

oh, and fark you arsehole


Wow. Once again you just make ridiculous leaps about me and some childish insinuations. Didn't say anything about fox or religion or anything else your mentioned. Actually, I didn't say anything that would inherently challenge a conservative viewpoint. You might want to consider pulling punches on strangers-you may find allies instead of pissing people off.
 
2013-04-26 09:31:59 PM  
I once worked at a "family friendly" company where employees were allowed to bring their sick children to work so they wouldn't lose hours by having to stay home with their sick kids. Needless to say, when the sick kids came to work, everyone at work got sick shortly afterward.
 
2013-04-26 11:00:34 PM  
Mwelp, now that the teabaggers have gone and stuck their d!cks in the mosquito abatement program...I can't exactly say that I'm looking forward to outbreaks of mosquito-bourne diseases.

:(
 
2013-04-27 12:58:11 AM  

organizmx: Flint Ironstag: I'm off work sick at the moment, and coughing violently while infectious, and have visited my doctor three times in the last couple of weeks, so I'm really getting a kick etc.

Thankfully I live in the socialist paradise of Great Britain so I get sick pay and the doctor visits cost me nothing. Each course of antibiotics did cost me $12 though.

How does it feel to not be free?


Nope not free

12 bucks
 
2013-04-27 01:38:08 AM  

codergirl42: "There is a need for uniform regulation throughout the state," said Simmons. "If you happen to be an employer who has multiple locations, you can imagine if you had to deal with a patchwork of various regulations. In the local government, it would be a disaster."

You mean a patchwork of various regulations like local sales tax? Local sales tax has really turned into a farking disaster for employers with multiple locations...


I'm glad to see this was covered.
 
2013-04-27 02:55:48 AM  

dennysgod: [cdn.theatlantic.com image 684x459]

USA, we're number one in screwing the working man.


/and people wonder why there are unions in the US.


No idea where those figures come from, but the UK has eight public holidays annually and I've never heard of someone on a salary not getting paid for them.
 
2013-04-27 04:47:14 AM  

Fark Me To Tears: I once worked at a "family friendly" company where employees were allowed to bring their sick children to work so they wouldn't lose hours by having to stay home with their sick kids. Needless to say, when the sick kids came to work, everyone at work got sick shortly afterward.


Holy shiat, that is the very opposite of "family friendly!"  Did this company write titles for legislation?
 
2013-04-27 07:29:23 AM  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: dennysgod: [cdn.theatlantic.com image 684x459]

USA, we're number one in screwing the working man.


/and people wonder why there are unions in the US.

No idea where those figures come from, but the UK has eight public holidays annually and I've never heard of someone on a salary not getting paid for them.


Or if your're hourly paid and work them being paid double time.
 
2013-04-27 07:51:07 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The Republican hatred of the working class is absolutely astounding

/they really do want to return to slavery


I know right? Seriously, can we here on fark draft up a list of minimum worker protections and have them put into the constitution so congress has to stop farking with them? Here's the start of the list

Sick pay,
medical leave,
breaks,
vacation,
minimum wage (40hrs/week = minimum 200% of poverty line currently)
overtime

Now you go.
 
2013-04-27 08:52:38 AM  
I predict Florida will be much better in a decade as these old republicans die off and many old people can no longer afford to move down in droves. That along with immigration reform should make Florida a solid blue state down the road. But for now we must endure the republican state congress and the likes of Rick Scott.
 
2013-04-27 09:18:17 AM  
the Owners and the Legislators they Own want to keep the little people busy/productive so they'll have someone to live off of.


The Rich live off the Poor
the Poor live off their labor.

ain't Freedom great!
 
2013-04-27 09:53:47 AM  

I alone am best: Wait, there is a chance for someone somewhere to get something for doing nothing on someone elses dime! DEMOCRATS MOBILIZE!!


We're talking about employee earned sick pay. Troll better not harder.
 
2013-04-27 12:25:44 PM  
Wait, there is a chance for someone somewhere to get something for doing nothing on someone elses dime!

We want a huge military but we don't want to pay taxes cuz taxes are theft and soldiers are moochers!!
 
2013-04-27 12:36:42 PM  

Chummer45: But won't someone please think of the poor company administrator that will have to deal with a "patchwork of laws" regarding sick leave?

Heaven forbid the poor administrator has to have different sick leave policies for its stores in Tampa and Orlando.

I love how the GOP always gives handouts to business then tries to claim that it's just trying to make the system "efficient."  I guess eliminating regulations is "efficient" in that it makes it easier for companies to not provide paid sick leave.  But I think there's a problem with a political party who thinks the only obligation of the government is to help businesses save money - particularly where it's at the expense of public health.


Ahh, yes, the dastardly "patchwork of laws" strikes again, killing those noble small businesses since the Magna Carta.
 
2013-04-27 03:31:33 PM  

Fark Me To Tears: I once worked at a "family friendly" company where employees were allowed to bring their sick children to work so they wouldn't lose hours by having to stay home with their sick kids. Needless to say, when the sick kids came to work, everyone at work got sick shortly afterward.


fc03.deviantart.net

Who's brilliant idea was that and did it ever occur to them to stop?  And how did that even work, did they pull a cot into peoples office for their puking kid?
 
2013-04-27 05:32:10 PM  

Flint Ironstag: I'm off work sick at the moment, and coughing violently while infectious, and have visited my doctor three times in the last couple of weeks, so I'm really getting a kick etc.

Thankfully I live in the socialist paradise of Great Britain so I get sick pay and the doctor visits cost me nothing. Each course of antibiotics did cost me $12 though.


Me too, except I only pay $10 for the meds.  Oh, and it's in the Socialist mecca of Arizona.
 
2013-04-27 05:39:18 PM  

tbeatty: Flint Ironstag: I'm off work sick at the moment, and coughing violently while infectious, and have visited my doctor three times in the last couple of weeks, so I'm really getting a kick etc.

Thankfully I live in the socialist paradise of Great Britain so I get sick pay and the doctor visits cost me nothing. Each course of antibiotics did cost me $12 though.

Me too, except I only pay $10 for the meds.  Oh, and it's in the Socialist mecca of Arizona.


Wasn't it in Arizona that that woman was charged $80,000 for two snakebite venom antidote injections? The same injections that cost $100 in Mexico?
 
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