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(WESH Orlando)   FL Legislature wants you to work while you're sick, and makes sure you have no say in the matter   (wesh.com) divider line 92
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2013-04-26 01:05:26 PM
Haven't opened the article.. but IU am guessing his name is followed by a (R)?
 
2013-04-26 01:09:04 PM
Gotta love that respect for democracy there. A couple dozen people voted to block the ability of the people to exercise their right to hold a referendum because another small group of people write the checks.
 
2013-04-26 01:09:27 PM
The mayor here in Philly just vetoed similar legislation a few weeks ago.

/the mayor here is a Democrat
 
2013-04-26 01:14:16 PM

naughtyrev: Gotta love that respect for democracy there. A couple dozen people voted to block the ability of the people to exercise their right to hold a referendum because another small group of people write the checks.


Yep.  Take Orange County for example.

The people have no say.  But entertainment and hospitality lobbyists can work the commissioners like freaking marionettes while the actual debate was occurring.
 
2013-04-26 01:58:51 PM
So you'd rather have someone come in with strep and infect the entire, or if they are in food service, many many more people, than to have them stay home two days and come in when they are no longer contagious?  is that what I'm seeing?
 
2013-04-26 02:22:34 PM

ManateeGag: So you'd rather have someone come in with strep and infect the entire, or if they are in food service, many many more people, than to have them stay home two days and come in when they are no longer contagious?  is that what I'm seeing?


Welcome to Florida. They don't believe in Darwinian evolution, they just practice survival of the fittest.
 
2013-04-26 02:28:25 PM
So when it's the federal government it should keep it's nose out of local matters, but when it's the state government it should meddle all it wants. That's not the least bit contradictory....
 
2013-04-26 02:34:10 PM
The Republican hatred of the working class is absolutely astounding

/they really do want to return to slavery
 
2013-04-26 02:38:18 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The Republican hatred of the working class is absolutely astounding

/they really do want to return to slavery


What the majority of the people who label themselves as Republicans don't seem to get is that they would be the slaves.
 
2013-04-26 02:52:59 PM
Earned sick pay, no less.
 
2013-04-26 03:05:24 PM
I'm off work sick at the moment, and coughing violently while infectious, and have visited my doctor three times in the last couple of weeks, so I'm really getting a kick etc.

Thankfully I live in the socialist paradise of Great Britain so I get sick pay and the doctor visits cost me nothing. Each course of antibiotics did cost me $12 though.
 
2013-04-26 03:24:44 PM

Flint Ironstag: I'm off work sick at the moment, and coughing violently while infectious, and have visited my doctor three times in the last couple of weeks, so I'm really getting a kick etc.

Thankfully I live in the socialist paradise of Great Britain so I get sick pay and the doctor visits cost me nothing. Each course of antibiotics did cost me $12 though.


Did they administer the antibiotics?  Because even that would have been free here in Canada.
 
2013-04-26 03:26:30 PM
Fine. I'll just come to work and get everyone else sick.

Let the companies do as they will. So long as the executives are equally exposed to the sneezes and germs, I'm all for this. Otherwise, this is class-based discrimination and segregated working conditions.
 
2013-04-26 03:35:46 PM

FirstNationalBastard: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The Republican hatred of the working class is absolutely astounding

/they really do want to return to slavery

What the majority of the people who label themselves as Republicans don't seem to get is that they would be the slaves.


Exactly.

And when they are I'm going to fark them beyond measure.
 
2013-04-26 03:43:32 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The Republican hatred of the working class is absolutely astounding

/they really do want to return to slavery



Not quite. I think they want the Confederate model. They may be poor, but they won't be the poorest. The bottom will consist of a visibly-identifiable underclass.
 
2013-04-26 03:45:12 PM

FirstNationalBastard: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The Republican hatred of the working class is absolutely astounding

/they really do want to return to slavery

What the majority of the people who label themselves as Republicans don't seem to get is that they would be the slaves.


Pffft, they play lotto every day.
 
2013-04-26 03:49:30 PM
But won't someone please think of the poor company administrator that will have to deal with a "patchwork of laws" regarding sick leave?

Heaven forbid the poor administrator has to have different sick leave policies for its stores in Tampa and Orlando.

I love how the GOP always gives handouts to business then tries to claim that it's just trying to make the system "efficient."  I guess eliminating regulations is "efficient" in that it makes it easier for companies to not provide paid sick leave.  But I think there's a problem with a political party who thinks the only obligation of the government is to help businesses save money - particularly where it's at the expense of public health.
 
2013-04-26 03:50:24 PM
cdn.theatlantic.com

USA, we're number one in screwing the working man.


/and people wonder why there are unions in the US.
 
2013-04-26 03:50:25 PM

HotWingConspiracy: FirstNationalBastard: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The Republican hatred of the working class is absolutely astounding

/they really do want to return to slavery

What the majority of the people who label themselves as Republicans don't seem to get is that they would be the slaves.

Pffft, they play lotto every day.


And if this passes, so will we all.

// germ lotto
// currently losing, but it's been a 3-day rally
// you watch your ass, lung mucus
 
2013-04-26 03:51:42 PM

abb3w: Welcome to Florida. They don't believe in Darwinian evolution, they just practice survival of the fittest.


So, basically, Florida will eventually be nothing but Latino immigrants since the only other big alternative is old people who uh... aren't exactly the fittest, generally speaking?
 
2013-04-26 03:53:33 PM

skozlaw: abb3w: Welcome to Florida. They don't believe in Darwinian evolution, they just practice survival of the fittest.

So, basically, Florida will eventually be nothing but Latino immigrants since the only other big alternative is old people who uh... aren't exactly the fittest, generally speaking?


They're full of medication though.
 
2013-04-26 03:53:45 PM
If you get sick, you shouldn't come to work. that would be cruel and unusual, not to mention bad policy. You should simply be fired for cause (getting sick), lose your health insurance, and not receive unemployment benefits. They are lawful, not chaotic, evil
 
2013-04-26 03:53:55 PM

dennysgod: USA, we're number one in screwing the working man.


Yea, but the payoff is that we have more expendable income than anybody in the world.

So, yes, we have terrible basic protections and most people are living on the razor's edge of ruin as a result.... but.. hey.... lots of bread and circuses....
 
2013-04-26 03:56:40 PM

HotWingConspiracy: They're full of medication though.


So when we can no longer afford decent healthcare and have to go to work anyway to avoid missing a paycheck we can just eat them instead of going to the pharmacy?

/ wait.... was that not the point?
 
2013-04-26 03:59:39 PM
"There is a need for uniform regulation throughout the state," said Simmons. "If you happen to be an employer who has multiple locations, you can imagine if you had to deal with a patchwork of various regulations. In the local government, it would be a disaster."

You mean a patchwork of various regulations like local sales tax? Local sales tax has really turned into a farking disaster for employers with multiple locations...
 
2013-04-26 04:01:03 PM
"If you happen to be an employer who has multiple locations, you can imagine if you had to deal with a patchwork of various regulations. In the local government, it would be a disaster."


Yeah, imagine if there were 50 little fiefdoms who could make up their own regulations.  It would be far better to have one set of laws.
 
2013-04-26 04:01:38 PM

codergirl42: "There is a need for uniform regulation throughout the state," said Simmons. "If you happen to be an employer who has multiple locations, you can imagine if you had to deal with a patchwork of various regulations. In the local government, it would be a disaster."

You mean a patchwork of various regulations like local sales tax? Local sales tax has really turned into a farking disaster for employers with multiple locations...


It's why there is no such thing as a multinational corporation either.

The one I'm sitting in right now is imaginary.
 
2013-04-26 04:02:56 PM

mrshowrules: Flint Ironstag: I'm off work sick at the moment, and coughing violently while infectious, and have visited my doctor three times in the last couple of weeks, so I'm really getting a kick etc.

Thankfully I live in the socialist paradise of Great Britain so I get sick pay and the doctor visits cost me nothing. Each course of antibiotics did cost me $12 though.

Did they administer the antibiotics?  Because even that would have been free here in Canada.


Prescriptions in the UK are a flat rate of £7.85 per prescription. Kids, the elderly, expectant and new mothers, certain unemployed and other very poor people and people with particular illnesses get prescriptions for free.
 
2013-04-26 04:03:13 PM

mab1823: "If you happen to be an employer who has multiple locations, you can imagine if you had to deal with a patchwork of various regulations. In the local government, it would be a disaster."


Yeah, imagine if there were 50 little fiefdoms who could make up their own regulations.  It would be far better to have one set of laws.


So you are cool with federalism?
 
2013-04-26 04:05:19 PM

mab1823: "If you happen to be an employer who has multiple locations, you can imagine if you had to deal with a patchwork of various regulations. In the local government, it would be a disaster."


Yeah, imagine if there were 50 little fiefdoms who could make up their own regulations.  It would be far better to have one set of laws.


Woops, I see what you did there.
 
2013-04-26 04:06:13 PM
I can see his point.  It could be difficult to juggle different regulations.

Having one regulation, which mandates paid sick leave throughout the state solves that issue?

After all, there is every indication that having paid sick time actually leads to higher productivity and, oddly, lower deaths.

Though I expect the government is probably lying about it.   http://healthfinder.gov/News/Article.aspx?id=667187
 
2013-04-26 04:07:39 PM

mrshowrules: Flint Ironstag: I'm off work sick at the moment, and coughing violently while infectious, and have visited my doctor three times in the last couple of weeks, so I'm really getting a kick etc.

Thankfully I live in the socialist paradise of Great Britain so I get sick pay and the doctor visits cost me nothing. Each course of antibiotics did cost me $12 though.

Did they administer the antibiotics?  Because even that would have been free here in Canada.


I hate both of you.

Would either of you be interested in a sham marriage so I can get the hell out of the US?

Anyway, are people starting to understand yet that corporate greed is a huge problem? *crickets*
 
2013-04-26 04:09:12 PM
I_Am_Weasel: I can see his point.   It could be difficult to juggle different regulations.

Not really we already have business regulations by county and municipality. If you want to do business in an area you comply with the laws in that area. It's not difficult.
 
2013-04-26 04:12:27 PM
It depends on the employer as well.  I've had to come into work sick because my boss said they needed the coverage.


/medical transcriptionist
 
2013-04-26 04:12:53 PM

Needlessly Complicated: mrshowrules: Flint Ironstag: I'm off work sick at the moment, and coughing violently while infectious, and have visited my doctor three times in the last couple of weeks, so I'm really getting a kick etc.

Thankfully I live in the socialist paradise of Great Britain so I get sick pay and the doctor visits cost me nothing. Each course of antibiotics did cost me $12 though.

Did they administer the antibiotics?  Because even that would have been free here in Canada.

I hate both of you.

Would either of you be interested in a sham marriage so I can get the hell out of the US?

Anyway, are people starting to understand yet that corporate greed is a huge problem? *crickets*


Corporate greed isn't the problem.  It is the voters not electing politicians who put checks and balances in place against the corporate greed.  Despite having single-payer, Canada still has a robust private sector economy in health care and health care insurance.
 
2013-04-26 04:13:39 PM
This is going to make for another great Typhoid Mary episode. Enjoy a kitchen worker's sinuses dripping into your food.
 
2013-04-26 04:14:45 PM

I_Am_Weasel: I can see his point.  It could be difficult to juggle different regulations.



My team has no problem juggling the regulations of 50 different countries that we have offices in.

It's solving for a problem that simply doesn't exist.
 
2013-04-26 04:15:11 PM

Diogenes: naughtyrev: Gotta love that respect for democracy there. A couple dozen people voted to block the ability of the people to exercise their right to hold a referendum because another small group of people write the checks.

Yep.  Take Orange County for example.

The people have no say.  But entertainment and hospitality lobbyists can work the commissioners like freaking marionettes while the actual debate was occurring.


Not to mention they all deleted their text messages on their county-issued cell phones to each other and their lobbyist buddies (WHEN this actual hearing was going on), then pulled the "Should I have not done that? Was that wrong?" card.  

/Ms. Jacobs, this flaming bag of dog shiat is for you, sign here please.
 
2013-04-26 04:15:36 PM
It's not just Florida. The "small gub'mint" Republicans here in NC have introduced a sweeping bill that will allow any state environmental protection regulations/laws to override any local ones. I could have read it wrong, but it looks like that bill will also allow for certain private land exemptions from environmental laws too. No big deal until you realize that there are some pretty nasty things on private land that would affect public aquifers
 
2013-04-26 04:16:44 PM

Tigger: I_Am_Weasel: I can see his point.  It could be difficult to juggle different regulations.


My team has no problem juggling the regulations of 50 different countries that we have offices in.

It's solving for a problem that simply doesn't exist.


The problem is those uppity voters thinking they should be treated with dignity.
 
2013-04-26 04:17:20 PM
If their beef is really with having statewide consistency, then I'm sure none of these fine legislators would have a problem with putting it on a state ballot.

Check back when it makes the state ballot and see how much these farks change their tune.

Also, if it truly is being rejected because 'boo-hoo local variation,' why was it fought tooth and nail (and illegally) in Orange County as I cited above -- Lobbyists texting county commissioners IN SESSION while debating it
 
2013-04-26 04:18:27 PM
My sarcasm is unloved.

*sniff*
 
2013-04-26 04:18:37 PM

Third Day Mark: /Ms. Jacobs, this flaming bag of dog shiat is for you, sign here please.


And she's running for reelection.  She deserves  KHITBASH.
 
2013-04-26 04:18:52 PM
This is why corporate political donations needs to be banned period. private donations only and all must be disclosed fully.
 
2013-04-26 04:23:04 PM

Diogenes: Third Day Mark: /Ms. Jacobs, this flaming bag of dog shiat is for you, sign here please.

And she's running for reelection.  She deserves  KHITBASH.


I doubt she wins.  Jim Philips is pretty pissed off at her and he touts himself as getting her elected in the first place.
 
2013-04-26 04:23:29 PM
So then, if it's better to have statewide laws instead of a patchwork of local laws, shouldn't we have federal laws, instead of a patchwork of state laws?

Better yet...BRAINWAVE!...shouldn't we have One World Government?
 
2013-04-26 04:23:48 PM
Oh, spiffy!  Tyvm  Diogenes!
 
2013-04-26 04:26:24 PM

Third Day Mark: Oh, spiffy!  Tyvm  Diogenes!


No problem, neighbor.
 
2013-04-26 04:27:54 PM
I'm sure Governor Lex Luthor is eager as Hell to sign this P.O.S..
 
2013-04-26 04:28:19 PM
How about everyone boycott all restaurants in Florida because you don't want sick people making your food? Think that would impact businesses in Florida?
 
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