mark12A: Knowing that you're only a ripple in the sea of time is not very comforting. You rise up out of the background noise, you have shape and height for the briefest instant, than you sink back down into the background noise from which you came. That's all there is.
cman: Religion does have its psychological pluses on people.Belief that there is a reason to this chaotic thing called "life" comforts people.
Novart: That can't be allowed! Everyone must wallow in the emptyness I feel in life! fark them for their comfort!
NostroZ: FloydA: Hmmmm... I wonder why people ALL OVER THE WORLD have religions... I wonder if there's something GOOD to it.People all over the world have herpes and stinky armpits too. That's not necessarily a good recommendation for something.I believe you're confusing a SOCIAL TOOL (religion) for BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION of the human body and interaction with bacteria.You're comparing apples to oranges, friend.
NostroZ: Farking Canuck: NostroZ: but if you think there is NO DIFFERENCE between superstition and religionSo please list the differences. Difficulty: The fact that a lot of people believe one is actually real is not relevant.Religion - a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.Superstition - a belief or notion, not based on reason or knowledge, in or of the ominous significance of a particular thing, circumstance, occurrence, proceeding, or the like.Superstition = TreeReligion = Forest
"Dictionary definitions are written with a lot of things in mind, but rigorously circumscribing the exact meanings and connotations of terms is not usually one of them."
NostroZ: Inflatable Rhetoric: Tell me the difference between religion and superstition, then.Not too long ago, much more than 85% of the world thought the Earth was flat. Than didn't make it flat. Got it?You know. This magic box in front of you can be used to access other things besides Fark.Here let me help you:Religion - a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.Superstition - a belief or notion, not based on reason or knowledge, in or of the ominous significance of a particular thing, circumstance, occurrence, proceeding, or the like.As you can see. Religion denotes a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs and has been used as a basis for civilization for thousands of years. Superstition is a derogatory term for a belief in something ominous that is circumstantial and has none of the richness of religious ritual, observance, or universe creation.To cut to the chase. When you call a religion a superstition you are insulting all the followers as stupid, as stupid as people who fear opening an umbrella inside the house. If you enjoy insulting 85% of the world population with your view, go ahead.It's rude and you cannot prove that G-d does NOT exist, but go ahead and insult people left and right.
NostroZ: StaleCoffee: NostroZ: StaleCoffee: You say the teachings are good, but school is awful?Maybe you just need a different school there buddy... just because you're school sucks at teaching you math, don't mean mine did.No, it's like being told any answer you come up with is cool, so you can feel good about assuming the cosine of yellowjackets is plasma.Religion is a left brain activity. It is intuitive and therefore is not subject to the same rules of 1+1=2, but still follows emotional rules.What you're describing is a right brain logic chain, which, while useful, is only HALF of how us humans experience the world.Nope. You don't get to do that. I'm responding to your math analogy. You can take your next busted ass analogy and sit on it until you address the first one. Unless you'd like to just admit it was stupid from the beginning and doesn't work, then I can strip down your left-brain thing there.Please restrain your rudeness if you wish to continue this discussion.Math was only the subject, it is interchangeable with any subject that you learn in school. The issue here it seems is that people agree that a belief in G-d is good (the subject), as the article showed. Yet, when it comes to the place where learning to believe in G-d (the school), people online reflexively snap with "religion is bad".This is contradictory and bespeaks a personal bias against the institution of religion rather than the positive life influencing subject of a belief in G-d.
NostroZ: This article points out the GOOD that a belief in G-d can give to a person.This runs contrary to the popular online notion of G-d is BAD.
NostroZ: mutterfark: Actually the sickening and outrageous shiat people do in the name of the christian god, yahweh, or allah depresses me more than cheers me up. How on Earth am I supposed to take comfort in belief in a deity, supposedly omnipotent, that won't even take the time to kill his own misguided followers before they kill people minding their own business?You're view of G-d is highly interventionist.You presuppose that G-d wants to rid the world of evil... when in fact, that's the job of man. For evil resides in the hearts of men.
Inflatable Rhetoric: If you could reason with religious people, there wouldn't be any religious people.I've been waiting for someone to tell me the difference between religion and superstition for a long time.
NostroZ: You have proven yourself to be a person of wrath.Since I know you do not believe in the 7 deadly sins or that you should restrain your hatred, I'll spare you the lecture.Please do not converse with me further, as you are a hateful person, who when asked to be more polite makes it a point to be extra rude.My life is too short to argue with people who have ill will towards me and no intention of listening.Good day sir, you are now on my block list.
NostroZ: but if you think there is NO DIFFERENCE between superstition and religion
cbathrob: NostroZ: Inflatable Rhetoric: Children are comforted by Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny, and other things. They grow up, and learn it's all make-believe.Adults need to do the same.There is no difference between religion and superstition, except a lot of people make a lot of money off religion.This is a common line I hear online, and it's very juvenile.Religion =/= Santa Claus... most religions do not train their children that their dogma is a lie (seriously, why do Americans lie to their kids about religion/Santa).Religion can be used to make money and control people... but if you think there is NO DIFFERENCE between superstition and religion, you have a lot of growing up to do. Also, I would hold back your opinions of how stupid you think people who believe in religion are. They'll wonder where you came up with your "religion is for kids" theory, since 85% of the world is religious.I wont tell you WHAT to believe if you don't tell me what NOT to believe.Got it?I know your comment isn't addressed to me, but, speaking as an atheist, what propose is fine by me. If only other religious people had that attitude I wouldn't have a problem with it. Foisting your beliefs, or lack thereof, on others is bullshiat.
mark12A: lockers: I would rather be unhappy than deluded.But what if the delusion makes you happy and increases the quality of your life? Not a bad trade, actually.../too rational to believe//my cross to bear
mark12A: Really? Comforts the living shiat out of me. Maybe we find different things comforting.Kinda makes everything you see and do ultimately pointless.
NostroZ: jso2897: You presuppose that G-d wants to rid the world of evil... when in fact, that's the job of man. For evil resides in the hearts of men.All "evil" may reside in the heart of man - but not all suffering comes from evil. Hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes and tornadoes are not evil. Neither are cancer, birth defects, or polio. Suffering and pain are endemic to existence - and if God created existence, then He created pain and suffering, too. I don't question your truth AS your truth - just don't go thinking that YOUR truth is THE truth - cause it isn't.Thank you. I never said there is a single path to G-d and only I have it.But, it does appear that you whole heartily agree with my statement that "evil resides in the hearts of men".Since as you yourself have described: suffering is caused by the natural flow of life... while evil is caused by intentional actions of men to cause harm.
NostroZ: StaleCoffee: You say the teachings are good, but school is awful?Maybe you just need a different school there buddy... just because you're school sucks at teaching you math, don't mean mine did.No, it's like being told any answer you come up with is cool, so you can feel good about assuming the cosine of yellowjackets is plasma.Religion is a left brain activity. It is intuitive and therefore is not subject to the same rules of 1+1=2, but still follows emotional rules.What you're describing is a right brain logic chain, which, while useful, is only HALF of how us humans experience the world.
NostroZ: jso2897: NostroZ: jso2897: Feeling a little persecuted today, are we?Don't worry, Bucky - we won't feed you to the lions.You'd probably give them indigestion.That's funny... because the Romans used to feed Christians and other religious folk to the lions.Hilarious. Now back to farking that chicken of "all of humanities problems stem from religion".I always find that the simplest answers are the truest. Like, "why are people bad? Because G-d, errr, I mean religion did it!"That's patently absurd. There is no single cause for all that's bad in the world. A lot that is "bad" in the world isn't even evil - it's just contrary to human happiness. It may be conveniently self-aggrandizing to believe that anyone who disagrees with you believes the absurd - but it's my understanding that Jesus warned Christians against the sin of self-aggrandizement - or as he called it, "pride".I'm being absurd to illustrate a point. That extremist statements, often made on Fark and the internet, that religion is responsible for all our wars, evil, etc. are ABSURD, since religion and subsequently a belief in G-d is a POSITIVE for the human experience.I did not mean to be prideful and certainly did not mean to self-aggrandize... I do not have all the answers, but I know that religion can and often is used as a tool for good. Conversely, any tool of man can be used for evil.This article points out the GOOD that a belief in G-d can give to a person.This runs contrary to the popular online notion of G-d is BAD.
quiotu: cman: Religion does have its psychological pluses on people.Belief that there is a reason to this chaotic thing called "life" comforts people.Exactly. George Carlin was right about this point. Religion was originally used as a way to keep the uncivilized in line, but today it can be used to keep people away from vices, keep suicide rates down, and in general keep people more cordial.Some people need that boost in faith to stay away from addictions, or to keep pushing ahead with a shiatty life, or to stay with their spouse and kids when life gets rough. Not everyone has the same mental fortitude or morality, and uses religion as a crutch to keep them in line. It's a necessity for a lot of folks, nothing wrong with that.
rnatalie: Opiate of the masses.Trade one psychological affliction for another.
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