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2013-04-26 02:26:09 PM
18 votes:
Ignorance is bliss.
2013-04-26 02:49:56 PM
4 votes:
derecjones.com

I'll stick with marijuana, thank you.
2013-04-26 03:45:47 PM
3 votes:

mark12A: Knowing that you're only a ripple in the sea of time is not very comforting. You rise up out of the background noise, you have shape and height for the briefest instant, than you sink back down into the background noise from which you came. That's all there is.


"Hey. Do you mind if I tell you a story? One you might not have heard. All the elements in your body were forged many many millions of years ago in the heart of a faraway star that exploded and died. That explosion scattered those elements across the desolations of deep space. After so, so many millions of years, these elements came together to form new stars and new planets. And on and on it went. The elements came together and burst apart, forming shoes and ships and sealing wax and cabbages and kings. Until, eventually, they came together to make you. You are unique in the universe. "
2013-04-26 03:20:58 PM
3 votes:
I would rather be unhappy than deluded.
2013-04-26 02:55:58 PM
3 votes:

cman: Religion does have its psychological pluses on people.

Belief that there is a reason to this chaotic thing called "life" comforts people.


Exactly. George Carlin was right about this point. Religion was originally used as a way to keep the uncivilized in line, but today it can be used to keep people away from vices, keep suicide rates down, and in general keep people more cordial.

Some people need that boost in faith to stay away from addictions, or to keep pushing ahead with a shiatty life, or to stay with their spouse and kids when life gets rough. Not everyone has the same mental fortitude or morality, and uses religion as a crutch to keep them in line. It's a necessity for a lot of folks, nothing wrong with that.
2013-04-26 02:54:36 PM
3 votes:
Hey, whatever it takes for you to deal. Just don't be afraid to keep it to yourself.
2013-04-26 02:49:29 PM
3 votes:
Did subby misspell "cause"?
2013-04-26 02:49:21 PM
3 votes:

cman: Religion does have its psychological pluses on people.

Belief that there is a reason to this chaotic thing called "life" comforts people.


Yeah, but I can only imagine how a depressed person that turns to religion will feel if something very bad happens to them. Probably worse off than they started, if they expected a deity to look out for them.

It's better to give sick people real treatment.
2013-04-27 12:48:56 AM
2 votes:

Novart: That can't be allowed! Everyone must wallow in the emptyness I feel in life! fark them for their comfort!


Most atheists do not begrudge the fact that theists' imaginary friends bring them real comfort.

The issue is when we have to suffer with laws based off their cave-man morals. Our children's science classes being corrupted with their religions. And we have to listen to them spewing their crap trying to "save" us.

If the religious did not inflict their delusions on the rest of us they would not hear from the rest of us.
2013-04-26 06:47:04 PM
2 votes:
Sometimes I wish I believed in the comforting lies of religion(s), but I think actually having a clue how the world REALLY works is better.
2013-04-26 06:28:06 PM
2 votes:

NostroZ: FloydA: Hmmmm... I wonder why people ALL OVER THE WORLD have religions... I wonder if there's something GOOD to it.

People all over the world have herpes and stinky armpits too. That's not necessarily a good recommendation for something.

I believe you're confusing a SOCIAL TOOL (religion) for BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION of the human body and interaction with bacteria.

You're comparing apples to oranges, friend.


You suggested that since religion is common worldwide, religion must be "good."  I pointed out that this was not a logical argument.  Many things are common but are not good.

Also: the phrase "comparing apples to oranges" does not mean what you think it means.  I made no "comparison" at all.

Also, also: in my experience, anyone who uses the word "friend" the way you just did, usually turns out to be an extremely unfriendly and generally unpleasant person.  If you hate me for pointing out your logical fallacies, just be honest about it.  Don't call me "friend," it makes you look duplicitous.
2013-04-26 05:05:00 PM
2 votes:

NostroZ: Farking Canuck: NostroZ: but if you think there is NO DIFFERENCE between superstition and religion

So please list the differences. Difficulty: The fact that a lot of people believe one is actually real is not relevant.

Religion - a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

Superstition - a belief or notion, not based on reason or knowledge, in or of the ominous significance of a particular thing, circumstance, occurrence, proceeding, or the like.

Superstition = Tree
Religion = Forest


Not bad. But let's start with the fallacy of using dictionary definitions as arguments ... they are not crafted with the precision to be used as such. They are meant to be quick references to give someone a flavor of what a term means. An editor of the Oxford Dictionary explains it well in this quote:

"Dictionary definitions are written with a lot of things in mind, but rigorously circumscribing the exact meanings and connotations of terms is not usually one of them."
- Jesse Sheidlower, the editor at large of the Oxford English Dictionary

So let's compare the attributes of these two things:
- belief without real evidence - both claim anecdotal evidence and unverifiable historical references as evidence. Nothing solid.
- groups of like minded followers - proponents of both tend to group together and reinforce their beliefs
- belief in supernatural events/beings/powers - both tend to center around things that defy known physics

Can you list any attributes that demonstrate they are different? Note that success, either financially or in popularity, does not eliminate either from being included in the definitions.
2013-04-26 04:50:37 PM
2 votes:
Let's be fair, here.

A. TFA is about belief in God, not so much following a religion. Two different things. (I suspect that most people that belong to church don't really believe in all that; but it's a small thing for them to pretend to believe because of all the social perks.)

B. Most religious people are good people; decent, at least. Like nations, the average Joes aren't directly responsible for their leaderships' actions ... but, if you continue supporting them, guess what: you're as morally culpable as the ones who committed the atrocity.

Yes, I said it. If you're putting money in the collection plate at Mass, you're helping the Vatican cover up the institutional sexual abuse of children. If you're still bowing to Mecca, your support is going to organizations that send children strapped with explosives into cafes.

C. Note that the point in TFA is that belief in God  treats depression ... but it doesn't cure it. It's a pain killer, i.e. it doesn't mitigate the underlying conditions, only their effects.

Medical depression is cured only through proper medication and psychiatric supervision. Non-medical depression is cured with self-esteem, which can be learned ... it's not easy, but it's possible.
2013-04-26 04:42:19 PM
2 votes:

NostroZ: Inflatable Rhetoric: Tell me the difference between religion and superstition, then.

Not too long ago, much more than 85% of the world thought the Earth was flat. Than didn't make it flat. Got it?

You know. This magic box in front of you can be used to access other things besides Fark.
Here let me help you:
Religion - a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

Superstition - a belief or notion, not based on reason or knowledge, in or of the ominous significance of a particular thing, circumstance, occurrence, proceeding, or the like.

As you can see.  Religion denotes a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs and has been used as a basis for civilization for thousands of years.  Superstition is a derogatory term for a belief in something ominous that is circumstantial and has none of the richness of religious ritual, observance, or universe creation.

To cut to the chase.  When you call a religion a superstition you are insulting all the followers as stupid, as stupid as people who fear opening an umbrella inside the house.  If you enjoy insulting 85% of the world population with your view, go ahead.

It's rude and you cannot prove that G-d does NOT exist, but go ahead and insult people left and right.


Ooooh, was I rude?  How would I not be rude?  Pretend to believe?  I could enter just white space in comments, would that be ok with you?  What about your condescending reference to the online dictionary?  Was that polite?
2013-04-26 04:29:06 PM
2 votes:
Belief that I'm currently getting blown by Scarlet Johansson would have a similar positive effect. So if a delusion is going to make me feel better, I'll go with that one.
2013-04-26 04:27:25 PM
2 votes:

NostroZ: StaleCoffee: NostroZ: StaleCoffee: You say the teachings are good, but school is awful?
Maybe you just need a different school there buddy... just because you're school sucks at teaching you math, don't mean mine did.

No, it's like being told any answer you come up with is cool, so you can feel good about assuming the cosine of yellowjackets is plasma.

Religion is a left brain activity.  It is intuitive and therefore is not subject to the same rules of 1+1=2, but still follows emotional rules.
What you're describing is a right brain logic chain, which, while useful, is only HALF of how us humans experience the world.

Nope. You don't get to do that. I'm responding to your math analogy. You can take your next busted ass analogy and sit on it until you address the first one. Unless you'd like to just admit it was stupid from the beginning and doesn't work, then I can strip down your left-brain thing there.

Please restrain your rudeness if you wish to continue this discussion.

Math was only the subject, it is interchangeable with any subject that you learn in school.  The issue here it seems is that people agree that a belief in G-d is good (the subject), as the article showed.  Yet, when it comes to the place where learning to believe in G-d (the school), people online reflexively snap with "religion is bad".

This is contradictory and bespeaks a personal bias against the institution of religion rather than the positive life influencing subject of a belief in G-d.


I'll be rude right back at you when you are throwing it around. If you can't stand someone snarking at you then don't be snotty yourself. If you are going to be a snot then expect to have it blown back in your face.

My original statement was religion still sucks because they said 30% of the folks who believe in god don't believe in a religion. You are arguing the exact same point in other posts on this thread so right there I know you aren't looking for anything other than an argument with me because you'd have tried to be less of a dick and more of an educator if you were really trying to express a point you wished to convince me of.

Further, the point of *my* comment is that math is not interchangeable with other subjects, it is a logic structure that is not subjective in the sense you are pushing, and therefore while 1+1 may equal something other than 2 in certain circumstances, when it comes to base 10 integer logic, 1 + 1 generally equals 2. However, getting this wrong can make some people feel bad, but telling them they're right and it's all good no matter what answer they come up with will make them feel good about themselves - regardless of its practical application in reality where 1 + 1 = 2, and not orange or Angry Birds.

At its core, religion *is* bad because it is not an accurate reflection of reality. It can be comforting, but just because a lie is comforting does not make it good. If nothing else it prevents dealing with the real underlying problem that truly needs attention. Saying "God will fix it" sure does make folks feel better, and it makes a lot of them abandon personal responsibility or inquiry into their surroundings as well. Not everyone, no, and just abandoning religion isn't an answer, but abandoning a wrong belief is necessary before you can move on to inquiry regarding truth.
2013-04-26 04:15:02 PM
2 votes:

NostroZ: This article points out the GOOD that a belief in G-d can give to a person.
This runs contrary to the popular online notion of G-d is BAD.


I don't think most discussions here on Fark make the claim that God is "bad". Most people here (myself included) don't even believe in God, so we wouldn't attribute characteristics to something we didn't believe existed.

Those who do bad things in his name, however, get the derision and mocking they deserve.

As for the belief in God bringing happiness to people, I've seen that in countless people, first hand. But that has less to do with the concept of God than in people believing in something that is greater than themselves. For example, my knowledge of the natural world and its workings have had a profound effect on my life and they've made me a much happier person. That has less to do with the qualities inherent in the natural systems I've studied and more to do with my general outlook, perspective and disposition.
2013-04-26 03:42:46 PM
2 votes:

NostroZ: mutterfark: Actually the sickening and outrageous shiat people do in the name of the christian god, yahweh, or allah depresses me more than cheers me up. How on Earth am I supposed to take comfort in belief in a deity, supposedly omnipotent, that won't even take the time to kill his own misguided followers before they kill people minding their own business?

You're view of G-d is highly interventionist.
You presuppose that G-d wants to rid the world of evil... when in fact, that's the job of man.  For evil resides in the hearts of men.


Or my view of god was influenced by my upbringing as a Catholic. I actually read the the Bible. Such gems as 'before you were born I knew ye' and Original Sin kind of bug me. Or god stopping the Earth's rotation to help his chosen people commit genocide.
But I don't believe in God or gods. Mankind has no problem committing heinous acts, especially when organized in groups of like thinking people.
2013-04-26 03:19:21 PM
2 votes:
Actually the sickening and outrageous shiat people do in the name of the christian god, yahweh, or allah depresses me more than cheers me up. How on Earth am I supposed to take comfort in belief in a deity, supposedly omnipotent, that won't even take the time to kill his own misguided followers before they kill people minding their own business?
2013-04-26 03:18:48 PM
2 votes:
NostroZ:
I find that a PERSONAL belief in a higher being alleviates the insecurities that come from thoughts about death and our overall lonesome purposeless existence.


Speak for yourself.  My existence is neither purposeless nor lonesome, and I am not at all insecure about the thought of dying.  It's going to happen, and in 10,000 years, this will all be just another fossil layer.  I won't care, I won't know, because I'll be dead.

I'd bet that nearly all of the "insecurity that comes from thoughts about death" stems from a belief that consciousness actually survives, and things will be unpleasant.  I don't think that consciousness survives death, so the fact that I will someday be dead doesn't bother me. I won't realize it.


Hmmmm... I wonder why people ALL OVER THE WORLD have religions...  I wonder if there's something GOOD to it.

People all over the world have herpes and stinky armpits too. That's not necessarily a good recommendation for something.
2013-04-26 03:02:01 PM
2 votes:
Shame that the gatekeepers to all this anti-depressive and prayer-healing miracle-work are such raging assholes to so many of the people who could actually use the help.
2013-04-26 02:58:43 PM
2 votes:
Man I want to believe in a deity, an afterlife, anything!  Most days I'm ok but sometimes late at night when trying to sleep, my stupid brain turns to thoughts of mortality followed by a sinking feeling of despair as I realize that before I know it, I'll be winked out of existence.  I'm actually jealous of religious people in that regard, the comfort it must bring the to know that there is something after, that it's not the end.  I'm not even that old, I've still got half my life left (hopefully), but I keep imagining myself in my twilight years clinging and fighting tooth and nail to stay alive one more day.

Oh well, I figure I'll eventually adapt and cope, my brain will just reach acceptance and all that.  Either that or maybe the dementia that runs in my family will make it so I don't even realize what's happening.
2013-04-26 02:58:40 PM
2 votes:
In case you were wondering why the pillars of major religions all happen to coincide with typical symptoms of mental disorders like OCD (obsessive cleansing, rituals for entering buildings or consuming food, emphasis on numerology) and their followers are more likely to embrace superstitious thinking typical of schizoaffective disorder and have an extra hour and a half:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WwAQqWUkpI
2013-04-26 02:58:35 PM
2 votes:
Worship cats instead. That way when calamity strikes you just hit 'em with a squirt from the old water bottle and cosmic balance is restored.
2013-04-26 02:51:15 PM
2 votes:
Any form of hope can treat depression.
2013-04-26 02:50:33 PM
2 votes:
Belief in a god-thing can relieve you of all kinds of things, like the need to think for yourself or exercise any personal responsibility for yourself and your own future. Why would someone who has delegated their worries to their imaginary friends have any reason to feel depressed?
2013-04-26 02:49:33 PM
2 votes:
Opiate of the masses.

Trade one psychological affliction for another.
2013-04-26 02:27:46 PM
2 votes:
Done in one.
2013-04-26 11:03:08 PM
1 votes:
Uh huh.

Theist to family: Life sucks, I'm going to kill myself.
Family: Don't do it or you'll suffer whatever torment our sect believes in.
Theist to self: Like I care. *kills self*

Atheist to family: Life sucks, I'm going to kill myself.
Family: Let's get you the help you need.
*doesn't kill self*
2013-04-26 04:51:00 PM
1 votes:

Inflatable Rhetoric: If you could reason with religious people, there wouldn't be any religious people.

I've been waiting for someone to tell me the difference between religion and superstition for a long time.


Religion = What I believe.

Superstition = What other people believe.
2013-04-26 04:47:49 PM
1 votes:

NostroZ: You have proven yourself to be a person of wrath.
Since I know you do not believe in the 7 deadly sins or that you should restrain your hatred, I'll spare you the lecture.

Please do not converse with me further, as you are a hateful person, who when asked to be more polite makes it a point to be extra rude.

My life is too short to argue with people who have ill will towards me and no intention of listening.
Good day sir, you are now on my block list.


Did you say that in a Gene Wilder voice? Because I only respond to "Good day sir" when it's in a Gene Wilder voice.

Since this means I can get the last word in, it amuses me to see you fall back on standard operating procedure for apologists when they get backed into their own corners called on their bullshiat and bail. So you ARE here just to argue rather than educate, and since you acknowledge you can't win this argument, you are running away.

Am I allowed to award myself Internet points? No, I'm not going to ask that, I'm just going to do it. +1 to me, which nets me a lifetime total of points equalling a staggering cosine of yellowjacket plasma.
2013-04-26 04:44:28 PM
1 votes:

NostroZ: but if you think there is NO DIFFERENCE between superstition and religion


So please list the differences. Difficulty: The fact that a lot of people believe one is actually real is not relevant.
2013-04-26 04:42:56 PM
1 votes:
Spirituality: woo-woo feel good bullshiat, meant to make the "spiritual" person feel like they are an important part of the universe.
2013-04-26 04:33:43 PM
1 votes:

cbathrob: NostroZ: Inflatable Rhetoric: Children are comforted by Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny, and other things. They grow up, and learn it's all make-believe.
Adults need to do the same.
There is no difference between religion and superstition, except a lot of people make a lot of money off religion.

This is a common line I hear online, and it's very juvenile.
Religion =/= Santa Claus...  most religions do not train their children that their dogma is a lie (seriously, why do Americans lie to their kids about religion/Santa).

Religion can be used to make money and control people... but if you think there is NO DIFFERENCE between superstition and religion, you have a lot of growing up to do.  Also, I would hold back your opinions of how stupid you think people who believe in religion are.  They'll wonder where you came up with your "religion is for kids" theory, since 85% of the world is religious.

I wont tell you WHAT to believe if you don't tell me what NOT to believe.
Got it?

I know your comment isn't addressed to me, but, speaking as an atheist, what propose is fine by me.  If only other religious people had that attitude I wouldn't have a problem with it.  Foisting your beliefs, or lack thereof, on others is bullshiat.


If you could reason with religious people, there wouldn't be any religious people.

I've been waiting for someone to tell me the difference between religion and superstition for a long time.
2013-04-26 04:14:52 PM
1 votes:

mark12A: lockers: I would rather be unhappy than deluded.

But what if the delusion makes you happy and increases the quality of your life? Not a bad trade, actually...

/too rational to believe
//my cross to bear


Things get tricky when one person's happy delusion decreases someone else's quality of life. Really my only qualm.
2013-04-26 04:12:29 PM
1 votes:

mark12A: Really? Comforts the living shiat out of me. Maybe we find different things comforting.

Kinda makes everything you see and do ultimately pointless.


Giordano Bruno was not comforted by it.

Children are comforted by Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny, and other things.  They grow up, and learn it's all make-believe.
Adults need to do the same.
There is no difference between religion and superstition, except a lot of people make a lot of money off religion.
2013-04-26 04:08:35 PM
1 votes:

mark12A: Really? Comforts the living shiat out of me. Maybe we find different things comforting.

Kinda makes everything you see and do ultimately pointless.


I was unaware existence needed a "point". In fact, I am unconvinced that it does. Is there some reason I should feel that my existence needs a point? Does yours? What is that "point" (if I may ask)?
2013-04-26 04:04:35 PM
1 votes:

NostroZ: jso2897: You presuppose that G-d wants to rid the world of evil... when in fact, that's the job of man. For evil resides in the hearts of men.

All "evil" may reside in the heart of man - but not all suffering comes from evil. Hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes and tornadoes are not evil. Neither are cancer, birth defects, or polio. Suffering and pain are endemic to existence - and if God created existence, then He created pain and suffering, too. I don't question your truth AS your truth - just don't go thinking that YOUR truth is THE truth - cause it isn't.

Thank you.  I never said there is a single path to G-d and only I have it.

But, it does appear that you whole heartily agree with my statement that "evil resides in the hearts of men".

Since as you yourself have described: suffering is caused by the natural flow of life... while evil is caused by intentional actions of men to cause harm.


Mostly agree. I find it hard to believe that every person doing evil is a moustache-twirling villain. Many of the evils done throughout history were done by those who believed their cause was just.

/crusades, pogroms, witch burning, etc.
2013-04-26 04:00:45 PM
1 votes:

mark12A: Knowing that you're only a ripple in the sea of time is not very comforting. You rise up out of the background noise, you have shape and height for the briefest instant, than you sink back down into the background noise from which you came. That's all there is.


You simply surrender to the highest power, the Universe. It doesn't love you but it doesn't hate you either. It doesn't tell you what to do or judge you. Life is at best a balance between pain and pleasure. Dying is just breaking even, no more of either. Thinking you should somehow be immortal is hubris which most fluffy-wuffy religions say is bad. All things die and fade away, even gods.

We could someday be LIKE gods, if we study the universe and learn its real secrets. We'll never do this with our heads up our ass believing the superstitious scribbelings of long dead, syphilis infected shepherds.
2013-04-26 03:53:53 PM
1 votes:
God has give us soooo many things to be thankful for.
Malaria, and mosquitoes to spread it.
Plague, with rats and fleas to spread it.
TB, polio, Ebola ... the list goes on and on.
==============
Even if you do think god exists, why would you think he loves us?  And why would you love him?

Fear I can understand, but not love.
2013-04-26 03:49:51 PM
1 votes:

NostroZ: StaleCoffee: You say the teachings are good, but school is awful?
Maybe you just need a different school there buddy... just because you're school sucks at teaching you math, don't mean mine did.

No, it's like being told any answer you come up with is cool, so you can feel good about assuming the cosine of yellowjackets is plasma.

Religion is a left brain activity.  It is intuitive and therefore is not subject to the same rules of 1+1=2, but still follows emotional rules.
What you're describing is a right brain logic chain, which, while useful, is only HALF of how us humans experience the world.


Nope. You don't get to do that. I'm responding to your math analogy. You can take your next busted ass analogy and sit on it until you address the first one. Unless you'd like to just admit it was stupid from the beginning and doesn't work, then I can strip down your left-brain thing there.
2013-04-26 03:48:40 PM
1 votes:

NostroZ: jso2897: NostroZ: jso2897: Feeling a little persecuted today, are we?
Don't worry, Bucky - we won't feed you to the lions.
You'd probably give them indigestion.

That's funny... because the Romans used to feed Christians and other religious folk to the lions.
Hilarious.  Now back to farking that chicken of "all of humanities problems stem from religion".
I always find that the simplest answers are the truest.  Like, "why are people bad?  Because G-d, errr, I mean religion did it!"

That's patently absurd. There is no single cause for all that's bad in the world. A lot that is "bad" in the world isn't even evil - it's just contrary to human happiness. It may be conveniently self-aggrandizing to believe that anyone who disagrees with you believes the absurd - but it's my understanding that Jesus warned Christians against the sin of self-aggrandizement - or as he called it, "pride".

I'm being absurd to illustrate a point.  That extremist statements, often made on Fark and the internet, that religion is responsible for all our wars, evil, etc. are ABSURD, since religion and subsequently a belief in G-d is a POSITIVE for the human experience.

I did not mean to be prideful and certainly did not mean to self-aggrandize... I do not have all the answers, but I know that religion can and often is used as a tool for good.  Conversely, any tool of man can be used for evil.

This article points out the GOOD that a belief in G-d can give to a person.
This runs contrary to the popular online notion of G-d is BAD.


That's true. And a kid believing in Santa Claus may cause him to behave better. And that's all well and good, and nobody but a few intolerant jerks say it isn't. But it doesn't mean that there aren't other things that work just as well, or that Santa Claus is necessary for a child to be well behaved - same deal with "God". God is A truth - it may be YOUR truth - but it isn't THE truth.
2013-04-26 03:46:41 PM
1 votes:

mark12A: Knowing that you're only a ripple in the sea of time is not very comforting. You rise up out of the background noise, you have shape and height for the briefest instant, than you sink back down into the background noise from which you came. That's all there is.


I think that's pretty farking amazing.

I am the ultimate ass kicking progeny of hundreds of millions of years of evolution. In me there are stars, dinosaurs, and oceans. I can use technology to manipulate the fundamental forces of the universe thanks to the accumulated knowledge and striving of those who came before me and leave the world slightly advanced in that same accumulation so many others contributed, greater or smaller, before me, or I can harness the vast powers and influence to jack off in my spare time.

What the fark is so amazing about not having any idea what living for eternity is going to be like except that it's supposed to be awesome? If you can't find wonder in the world as it is I can't imagine how you could spend eternity living with the same guy whose crowning achievement was sticking you in the world you find lacking otherwise. It's like building a giant lego fortress with strippers and an endless font of Sam Adams and saying it lacks because the builder knocked off for lunch.
2013-04-26 03:45:15 PM
1 votes:

NostroZ: mutterfark: Actually the sickening and outrageous shiat people do in the name of the christian god, yahweh, or allah depresses me more than cheers me up. How on Earth am I supposed to take comfort in belief in a deity, supposedly omnipotent, that won't even take the time to kill his own misguided followers before they kill people minding their own business?

You're view of G-d is highly interventionist.
You presuppose that G-d wants to rid the world of evil... when in fact, that's the job of man.  For evil resides in the hearts of men.


All "evil" may reside in the heart of man - but not all suffering comes from evil. Hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes and tornadoes are not evil. Neither are cancer, birth defects, or polio. Suffering and pain are endemic to existence - and if God created existence, then He created pain and suffering, too. I don't question your truth AS your truth - just don't go thinking that YOUR truth is THE truth - cause it isn't.
2013-04-26 03:38:39 PM
1 votes:
Numerous studies show that religious people people live longer, happier lives.

Assuming the religion you follow is benign (doesn't make you live like a monk, doesn't make you oppress others, etc.) it's a win-no lose proposition. You win with the comfort you get from *knowing* there's a wonderful afterlife waiting for you, that the universe cares about you, etc., and it's no lose because when you die your mind dies, and you never get humiliated by finding out there's nothing but oblivion ahead. So what if an afterlife is a fantasy. It really doesn't hurt you to believe in it, and it brings much comfort.

Knowing that you're only a ripple in the sea of time is not very comforting. You rise up out of the background noise, you have shape and height for the briefest instant, than you sink back down into the background noise from which you came. That's all there is.
2013-04-26 03:34:44 PM
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i.imgur.com

I'm just going to stick my dick in the mashed potatoes.
2013-04-26 03:32:32 PM
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I have a lot of issues with religion, but one thing that I have a major issue with is the misquoting of Karl Marx.

About religion, he said:

Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

The subtext is that it is pretty much likely that the proletariat will turn to religion to make their lives less "nasty, brutish, and short" (thanks, Hobbes), and that's fine. I mean, what do you expect?

(Without other ideas and drives, that is.)
2013-04-26 03:29:36 PM
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Prayers Don't Help Heart Surgery Patients; Some Fare Worse When Prayed For

patients who knew that others were praying for them fared worse than those who did not receive such spiritual support, or who did but were not aware of it.

Isn't the heart the feeling organ LOL a conservative newspaper prints BS but Thou shalt not bear false witness
2013-04-26 03:22:43 PM
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cman: Religion does have its psychological pluses on people.

Belief that there is a reason to this chaotic thing called "life" comforts people.


That's reasonable. If religion gets a person through life and keeps them mostly sane, there's no real harm.
2013-04-26 03:12:59 PM
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Oh horseshiat it can.
2013-04-26 03:08:06 PM
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It can also treat peasant uprisings, logical thought and the concept of free will.
2013-04-26 03:02:23 PM
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quiotu: cman: Religion does have its psychological pluses on people.

Belief that there is a reason to this chaotic thing called "life" comforts people.

Exactly. George Carlin was right about this point. Religion was originally used as a way to keep the uncivilized in line, but today it can be used to keep people away from vices, keep suicide rates down, and in general keep people more cordial.

Some people need that boost in faith to stay away from addictions, or to keep pushing ahead with a shiatty life, or to stay with their spouse and kids when life gets rough. Not everyone has the same mental fortitude or morality, and uses religion as a crutch to keep them in line. It's a necessity for a lot of folks, nothing wrong with that.


Not really they end up trading one addiction for another see religious addiction.
2013-04-26 02:58:15 PM
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rnatalie: Opiate of the masses.

Trade one psychological affliction for another.


Not so much as an opiate, more of a counterirritant.
2013-04-26 02:49:44 PM
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In other news, Big Pharma starts class action suit against God.
2013-04-26 02:29:36 PM
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Religion does have its psychological pluses on people.

Belief that there is a reason to this chaotic thing called "life" comforts people.
 
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