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2013-04-26 04:02:13 PM  

Katolu: vabeard: Katolu: cman: Religion does have its psychological pluses on people.

Belief that there is a reason to this chaotic thing called "life" comforts people.

That's reasonable. If religion gets a person through life and keeps them mostly sane, there's no real harm.

True.  My mother, a very rational woman, was also very strong in her faith.  Of course we are Episcopalians.

/free will and moral choice.

I'm atheist, but as long as a person doesn't harm others with their beliefs, so be it. Be it FSM, Buddha, or Jesus let them take solace.

/ Fark the Scientologista, they're scam artists.


Heh, Autocorrect made that funny.
 
2013-04-26 04:02:23 PM  

colon_pow: Inflatable Rhetoric: God has give us soooo many things to be thankful for.
Malaria, and mosquitoes to spread it.
Plague, with rats and fleas to spread it.
TB, polio, Ebola ... the list goes on and on.
==============
Even if you do think god exists, why would you think he loves us?  And why would you love him?

Fear I can understand, but not love.

study it out. read C.S. Lewis.   many great men throughout history were believers. but you know better than them because rats and fleas.

brilliant.


If that were the best response I could have made, I would have kept quiet.

Because some "great men" were believers does not address my comments, anyway.  Unfortunately, I can't ask them and get their response.
 
2013-04-26 04:03:02 PM  

NostroZ: jso2897: You presuppose that G-d wants to rid the world of evil... when in fact, that's the job of man. For evil resides in the hearts of men.

All "evil" may reside in the heart of man - but not all suffering comes from evil. Hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes and tornadoes are not evil. Neither are cancer, birth defects, or polio. Suffering and pain are endemic to existence - and if God created existence, then He created pain and suffering, too. I don't question your truth AS your truth - just don't go thinking that YOUR truth is THE truth - cause it isn't.

Thank you.  I never said there is a single path to G-d and only I have it.

But, it does appear that you whole heartily agree with my statement that "evil resides in the hearts of men".

Since as you yourself have described: suffering is caused by the natural flow of life... while evil is caused by intentional actions of men to cause harm.


Well...yeah, I do - I didn't even think taht was in dispute. My point was that, even if you could dispose of evil, you would by no means have disposed of all human pain, suffering, or hardship. In short, whether you hold some putative "God" responsible or not - life involves suffering and pain. And that is not Man's fault.
 
2013-04-26 04:04:18 PM  
Really? Comforts the living shiat out of me. Maybe we find different things comforting.

Kinda makes everything you see and do ultimately pointless.
 
2013-04-26 04:04:35 PM  

NostroZ: jso2897: You presuppose that G-d wants to rid the world of evil... when in fact, that's the job of man. For evil resides in the hearts of men.

All "evil" may reside in the heart of man - but not all suffering comes from evil. Hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes and tornadoes are not evil. Neither are cancer, birth defects, or polio. Suffering and pain are endemic to existence - and if God created existence, then He created pain and suffering, too. I don't question your truth AS your truth - just don't go thinking that YOUR truth is THE truth - cause it isn't.

Thank you.  I never said there is a single path to G-d and only I have it.

But, it does appear that you whole heartily agree with my statement that "evil resides in the hearts of men".

Since as you yourself have described: suffering is caused by the natural flow of life... while evil is caused by intentional actions of men to cause harm.


Mostly agree. I find it hard to believe that every person doing evil is a moustache-twirling villain. Many of the evils done throughout history were done by those who believed their cause was just.

/crusades, pogroms, witch burning, etc.
 
2013-04-26 04:04:49 PM  

StaleCoffee: NostroZ: StaleCoffee: You say the teachings are good, but school is awful?
Maybe you just need a different school there buddy... just because you're school sucks at teaching you math, don't mean mine did.

No, it's like being told any answer you come up with is cool, so you can feel good about assuming the cosine of yellowjackets is plasma.

Religion is a left brain activity.  It is intuitive and therefore is not subject to the same rules of 1+1=2, but still follows emotional rules.
What you're describing is a right brain logic chain, which, while useful, is only HALF of how us humans experience the world.

Nope. You don't get to do that. I'm responding to your math analogy. You can take your next busted ass analogy and sit on it until you address the first one. Unless you'd like to just admit it was stupid from the beginning and doesn't work, then I can strip down your left-brain thing there.


Please restrain your rudeness if you wish to continue this discussion.

Math was only the subject, it is interchangeable with any subject that you learn in school.  The issue here it seems is that people agree that a belief in G-d is good (the subject), as the article showed.  Yet, when it comes to the place where learning to believe in G-d (the school), people online reflexively snap with "religion is bad".

This is contradictory and bespeaks a personal bias against the institution of religion rather than the positive life influencing subject of a belief in G-d.
 
2013-04-26 04:05:37 PM  

hitlersbrain: mark12A: Knowing that you're only a ripple in the sea of time is not very comforting. You rise up out of the background noise, you have shape and height for the briefest instant, than you sink back down into the background noise from which you came. That's all there is.

You simply surrender to the highest power, the Universe. It doesn't love you but it doesn't hate you either. It doesn't tell you what to do or judge you. Life is at best a balance between pain and pleasure. Dying is just breaking even, no more of either. Thinking you should somehow be immortal is hubris which most fluffy-wuffy religions say is bad. All things die and fade away, even gods.

We could someday be LIKE gods, if we study the universe and learn its real secrets. We'll never do this with our heads up our ass believing the superstitious scribbelings of long dead, syphilis infected shepherds.


If you're going to make a guess at the nature of existence, that's a pretty good one - but that's all it is. We really don't know - and don't need to.
 
2013-04-26 04:06:18 PM  

colon_pow: study it out. read C.S. Lewis


I have.  "Liar, Lunatic or Lord"   Because everyone knows a False Dichotomy fallacy is impossible if you present three alternatives!

/i have always thought Apologetics was aptly named.
 
2013-04-26 04:06:47 PM  

lockers: I would rather be unhappy than deluded.


Good news! people who have poorly developed sense of spirituality frequently are both deluded AND unhappy.
 
2013-04-26 04:08:23 PM  

NostroZ: mutterfark: You're view of G-d is highly interventionist.
You presuppose that G-d wants to rid the world of evil... when in fact, that's the job of man. For evil resides in the hearts of men.

Or my view of god was influenced by my upbringing as a Catholic. I actually read the the Bible. Such gems as 'before you were born I knew ye' and Original Sin kind of bug me. Or god stopping the Earth's rotation to help his chosen people commit genocide.
But I don't believe in God or gods. Mankind has no problem committing heinous acts, especially when organized in groups of like thinking people.

Right and religion has NOTHING to do with it.
The Mongols were open to all religions in their kingdom, while themselves practicing a regional worship of their motherland.  They were organized around the principle of speedy conquest.  During the transition of the Ming Dynasty in China 6.7% of the WORLD population was killed.  Religion did not cause this... a desire for power did.  Same thing can with Mao & Stalin in 20th century.

Catholicism is certainly a tough religion to reconcile, since it presents the dogma in such a black/white format.  Original sin. Masturbation evil.  Pooping is evil... etc. etc.  Silly in my opinion to say that man was created in the image of god, but his penis & pooper are evil.  Huh?  What does that say about the image of god?  Who are we to assume these things about our body that is agreed is supposedly holy.  etc. etc.

But, if you look past the edifice that has been built by man around the message of G-d, you can find much good.
Moses offered salvation and guidance that was beyond idolatry.  Jesus has offered redemption and love.
These are powerful and good themes.  Only because people have taken the good and placed themselves as brokers in between does not mean you should reject the product all together.




Ah, power. Like you might find in warring nations of Europe as various people vied for the title Holy Roman Emperor? Religion is just another place for like minded people to exert power. Religion, IMHO, is just a tool. A tool is not inherently good or bad. The user of the tool and the uses they make of it may be able to be judged good or evil. Vulnerable people who are suffering are just as likely to be led by religion towards a path of extremism and violence as happiness and charity. All just my humble opinion. YMMV
 
2013-04-26 04:08:25 PM  
Sorry I'm late.
 
2013-04-26 04:08:35 PM  

mark12A: Really? Comforts the living shiat out of me. Maybe we find different things comforting.

Kinda makes everything you see and do ultimately pointless.


I was unaware existence needed a "point". In fact, I am unconvinced that it does. Is there some reason I should feel that my existence needs a point? Does yours? What is that "point" (if I may ask)?
 
2013-04-26 04:09:08 PM  

jso2897: Well...yeah, I do - I didn't even think taht was in dispute. My point was that, even if you could dispose of evil, you would by no means have disposed of all human pain, suffering, or hardship. In short, whether you hold some putative "God" responsible or not - life involves suffering and pain. And that is not Man's fault.


Okay.  Life is suffering.
There's a whole religion based around that... it's called Buddhism.

What you just described was one of the four noble truths.
But, that's ONLY THE BEGINNING of Buddhism... once you realize that life is suffering, how does one break that?

And from here, we have a whole religion that gives guidance on how to alleviate this truth of life.
 
2013-04-26 04:11:10 PM  

fluffy2097: lockers: I would rather be unhappy than deluded.

Good news! people who have poorly developed sense of spirituality frequently are both deluded AND unhappy.


I read that in Professor Farnsworth's voice.
 
2013-04-26 04:11:17 PM  
lockers: I would rather be unhappy than deluded.

But what if the delusion makes you happy and increases the quality of your life? Not a bad trade, actually...

/too rational to believe
//my cross to bear
 
2013-04-26 04:11:40 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Mostly agree. I find it hard to believe that every person doing evil is a moustache-twirling villain. Many of the evils done throughout history were done by those who believed their cause was just.

/crusades, pogroms, witch burning, etc.


Yes, but believing that the murder you are doing is being done for justice is common to man.  For a recent example take a look at the Iraq war.  First the just cause was, WMD.  Then the just cause became to liberate.  Then to keep them stable.  etc. etc.

Justifying one's own actions is human... not religious.
 
2013-04-26 04:11:58 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: colon_pow: Inflatable Rhetoric: God has give us soooo many things to be thankful for.
Malaria, and mosquitoes to spread it.
Plague, with rats and fleas to spread it.
TB, polio, Ebola ... the list goes on and on.
==============
Even if you do think god exists, why would you think he loves us?  And why would you love him?

Fear I can understand, but not love.

study it out. read C.S. Lewis.   many great men throughout history were believers. but you know better than them because rats and fleas.

brilliant.

If that were the best response I could have made, I would have kept quiet.

Because some "great men" were believers does not address my comments, anyway.  Unfortunately, I can't ask them and get their response.


you're one of these great thinkers who figures out for themselves that there is not god because you go outside and look at the sky and say, 'nope, nobody there'.

seek, and ye shall find.
 
2013-04-26 04:12:29 PM  

mark12A: Really? Comforts the living shiat out of me. Maybe we find different things comforting.

Kinda makes everything you see and do ultimately pointless.


Giordano Bruno was not comforted by it.

Children are comforted by Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny, and other things.  They grow up, and learn it's all make-believe.
Adults need to do the same.
There is no difference between religion and superstition, except a lot of people make a lot of money off religion.
 
2013-04-26 04:14:02 PM  

NostroZ: jso2897: Well...yeah, I do - I didn't even think taht was in dispute. My point was that, even if you could dispose of evil, you would by no means have disposed of all human pain, suffering, or hardship. In short, whether you hold some putative "God" responsible or not - life involves suffering and pain. And that is not Man's fault.

Okay.  Life is suffering.
There's a whole religion based around that... it's called Buddhism.

What you just described was one of the four noble truths.
But, that's ONLY THE BEGINNING of Buddhism... once you realize that life is suffering, how does one break that?

And from here, we have a whole religion that gives guidance on how to alleviate this truth of life.


That's fine with me. Folks can have a religion that's about full nudity, golf, and continual bathing if they want. I'm easy.
 
2013-04-26 04:14:35 PM  

jso2897: StaleCoffee: jso2897: Inflatable Rhetoric: God's doing a heck of a job.  With friends like him, who needs enemies?

I do. Any asshole can have friends. But, enemies? I wear them like decorations of honor.

That is quote worthy, sir. Well done.

It is a quote - from Cyrano De Berjerac. Although I believe the term "fool" was used in the original, rather than "asshole".


Guess I should google that before I compliment next time, but I'm leaving you with props anyway.
 
2013-04-26 04:14:52 PM  

mark12A: lockers: I would rather be unhappy than deluded.

But what if the delusion makes you happy and increases the quality of your life? Not a bad trade, actually...

/too rational to believe
//my cross to bear


Things get tricky when one person's happy delusion decreases someone else's quality of life. Really my only qualm.
 
2013-04-26 04:15:02 PM  

NostroZ: This article points out the GOOD that a belief in G-d can give to a person.
This runs contrary to the popular online notion of G-d is BAD.


I don't think most discussions here on Fark make the claim that God is "bad". Most people here (myself included) don't even believe in God, so we wouldn't attribute characteristics to something we didn't believe existed.

Those who do bad things in his name, however, get the derision and mocking they deserve.

As for the belief in God bringing happiness to people, I've seen that in countless people, first hand. But that has less to do with the concept of God than in people believing in something that is greater than themselves. For example, my knowledge of the natural world and its workings have had a profound effect on my life and they've made me a much happier person. That has less to do with the qualities inherent in the natural systems I've studied and more to do with my general outlook, perspective and disposition.
 
2013-04-26 04:16:57 PM  

jso2897: What you just described was one of the four noble truths.
But, that's ONLY THE BEGINNING of Buddhism... once you realize that life is suffering, how does one break that?

And from here, we have a whole religion that gives guidance on how to alleviate this truth of life.

That's fine with me. Folks can have a religion that's about full nudity, golf, and continual bathing if they want. I'm easy.


No, no, no!  You've missed the point here, friend.
You're placing the cart before the horse...  a religion that's only about nudity, golf, and continual bathing will not last for it does not address the human condition (which you brilliantly described - suffering).

The reason that Buddhism, Christianity, Zorastrianism, etc. are still around after thousands of years is precisely because they are a tool of good to the practitioner and provide much comfort in everyday life.
 
2013-04-26 04:18:19 PM  
Happy is the man conscious of his spiritual need.
 
2013-04-26 04:19:18 PM  

NostroZ: jso2897: What you just described was one of the four noble truths.
But, that's ONLY THE BEGINNING of Buddhism... once you realize that life is suffering, how does one break that?

And from here, we have a whole religion that gives guidance on how to alleviate this truth of life.

That's fine with me. Folks can have a religion that's about full nudity, golf, and continual bathing if they want. I'm easy.

No, no, no!  You've missed the point here, friend.
You're placing the cart before the horse...  a religion that's only about nudity, golf, and continual bathing will not last for it does not address the human condition (which you brilliantly described - suffering).

The reason that Buddhism, Christianity, Zorastrianism, etc. are still around after thousands of years is precisely because they are a tool of good to the practitioner and provide much comfort in everyday life.


You have a problem with nudity, golf, and continual bathing? Bigot.
 
2013-04-26 04:19:58 PM  

colon_pow: Inflatable Rhetoric: colon_pow: Inflatable Rhetoric: God has give us soooo many things to be thankful for.
Malaria, and mosquitoes to spread it.
Plague, with rats and fleas to spread it.
TB, polio, Ebola ... the list goes on and on.
==============
Even if you do think god exists, why would you think he loves us?  And why would you love him?

Fear I can understand, but not love.

study it out. read C.S. Lewis.   many great men throughout history were believers. but you know better than them because rats and fleas.

brilliant.

If that were the best response I could have made, I would have kept quiet.

Because some "great men" were believers does not address my comments, anyway.  Unfortunately, I can't ask them and get their response.

you're one of these great thinkers who figures out for themselves that there is not god because you go outside and look at the sky and say, 'nope, nobody there'.

seek, and ye shall find.

==========
Even if you do think god exists, why would you think he loves us? And why would you love him?

Fear I can understand, but not love.
 
2013-04-26 04:20:55 PM  
I was unaware existence needed a "point". In fact, I am unconvinced that it does. Is there some reason I should feel that my existence needs a point? Does yours? What is that "point" (if I may ask)?

Every insight you've had, every great experience you've had, dies with you. So why bother? Seems like a waste of effort.
 
2013-04-26 04:21:25 PM  

icebergcomics: Happy is the man conscious of his spiritual need.


That can be true, but isn't necessarily so.
 
2013-04-26 04:22:26 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: Children are comforted by Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny, and other things. They grow up, and learn it's all make-believe.
Adults need to do the same.
There is no difference between religion and superstition, except a lot of people make a lot of money off religion.


This is a common line I hear online, and it's very juvenile.
Religion =/= Santa Claus...  most religions do not train their children that their dogma is a lie (seriously, why do Americans lie to their kids about religion/Santa).

Religion can be used to make money and control people... but if you think there is NO DIFFERENCE between superstition and religion, you have a lot of growing up to do.  Also, I would hold back your opinions of how stupid you think people who believe in religion are.  They'll wonder where you came up with your "religion is for kids" theory, since 85% of the world is religious.

I wont tell you WHAT to believe if you don't tell me what NOT to believe.
Got it?
 
2013-04-26 04:23:31 PM  

mark12A: I was unaware existence needed a "point". In fact, I am unconvinced that it does. Is there some reason I should feel that my existence needs a point? Does yours? What is that "point" (if I may ask)?

Every insight you've had, every great experience you've had, dies with you. So why bother? Seems like a waste of effort.


To you maybe - not to me. I get to experience it, and that's plenty enough for me. YMMV. If you need something more - seek it. I won't interfere, nor call you a fool. Knock yerself out.
 
2013-04-26 04:25:36 PM  

NostroZ: Inflatable Rhetoric: Children are comforted by Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny, and other things. They grow up, and learn it's all make-believe.
Adults need to do the same.
There is no difference between religion and superstition, except a lot of people make a lot of money off religion.

This is a common line I hear online, and it's very juvenile.
Religion =/= Santa Claus...  most religions do not train their children that their dogma is a lie (seriously, why do Americans lie to their kids about religion/Santa).

Religion can be used to make money and control people... but if you think there is NO DIFFERENCE between superstition and religion, you have a lot of growing up to do.  Also, I would hold back your opinions of how stupid you think people who believe in religion are.  They'll wonder where you came up with your "religion is for kids" theory, since 85% of the world is religious.

I wont tell you WHAT to believe if you don't tell me what NOT to believe.
Got it?


NostroZ: Inflatable Rhetoric: Children are comforted by Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny, and other things. They grow up, and learn it's all make-believe.
Adults need to do the same.
There is no difference between religion and superstition, except a lot of people make a lot of money off religion.

This is a common line I hear online, and it's very juvenile.
Religion =/= Santa Claus...  most religions do not train their children that their dogma is a lie (seriously, why do Americans lie to their kids about religion/Santa).

Religion can be used to make money and control people... but if you think there is NO DIFFERENCE between superstition and religion, you have a lot of growing up to do.  Also, I would hold back your opinions of how stupid you think people who believe in religion are.  They'll wonder where you came up with your "religion is for kids" theory, since 85% of the world is religious.

I wont tell you WHAT to believe if you don't tell me what NOT to believe.
Got it?


Tell me the difference between religion and superstition, then.

Not too long ago, much more than 85% of the world thought the Earth was flat.  Than didn't make it flat.  Got it?
 
2013-04-26 04:26:17 PM  

jso2897: icebergcomics: Happy is the man conscious of his spiritual need.

That can be true, but isn't necessarily so.


My experience is that when someone seeks to quench a spiritual thirst and won't stop until they find answers, they tend to be much more at peace and have a lasting happiness. A happiness that transcends government or status or poverty. True, unadulterated happiness.
 
2013-04-26 04:27:25 PM  

NostroZ: StaleCoffee: NostroZ: StaleCoffee: You say the teachings are good, but school is awful?
Maybe you just need a different school there buddy... just because you're school sucks at teaching you math, don't mean mine did.

No, it's like being told any answer you come up with is cool, so you can feel good about assuming the cosine of yellowjackets is plasma.

Religion is a left brain activity.  It is intuitive and therefore is not subject to the same rules of 1+1=2, but still follows emotional rules.
What you're describing is a right brain logic chain, which, while useful, is only HALF of how us humans experience the world.

Nope. You don't get to do that. I'm responding to your math analogy. You can take your next busted ass analogy and sit on it until you address the first one. Unless you'd like to just admit it was stupid from the beginning and doesn't work, then I can strip down your left-brain thing there.

Please restrain your rudeness if you wish to continue this discussion.

Math was only the subject, it is interchangeable with any subject that you learn in school.  The issue here it seems is that people agree that a belief in G-d is good (the subject), as the article showed.  Yet, when it comes to the place where learning to believe in G-d (the school), people online reflexively snap with "religion is bad".

This is contradictory and bespeaks a personal bias against the institution of religion rather than the positive life influencing subject of a belief in G-d.


I'll be rude right back at you when you are throwing it around. If you can't stand someone snarking at you then don't be snotty yourself. If you are going to be a snot then expect to have it blown back in your face.

My original statement was religion still sucks because they said 30% of the folks who believe in god don't believe in a religion. You are arguing the exact same point in other posts on this thread so right there I know you aren't looking for anything other than an argument with me because you'd have tried to be less of a dick and more of an educator if you were really trying to express a point you wished to convince me of.

Further, the point of *my* comment is that math is not interchangeable with other subjects, it is a logic structure that is not subjective in the sense you are pushing, and therefore while 1+1 may equal something other than 2 in certain circumstances, when it comes to base 10 integer logic, 1 + 1 generally equals 2. However, getting this wrong can make some people feel bad, but telling them they're right and it's all good no matter what answer they come up with will make them feel good about themselves - regardless of its practical application in reality where 1 + 1 = 2, and not orange or Angry Birds.

At its core, religion *is* bad because it is not an accurate reflection of reality. It can be comforting, but just because a lie is comforting does not make it good. If nothing else it prevents dealing with the real underlying problem that truly needs attention. Saying "God will fix it" sure does make folks feel better, and it makes a lot of them abandon personal responsibility or inquiry into their surroundings as well. Not everyone, no, and just abandoning religion isn't an answer, but abandoning a wrong belief is necessary before you can move on to inquiry regarding truth.
 
2013-04-26 04:27:26 PM  

miss diminutive: I don't think most discussions here on Fark make the claim that God is "bad". Most people here (myself included) don't even believe in God, so we wouldn't attribute characteristics to something we didn't believe existed.

Those who do bad things in his name, however, get the derision and mocking they deserve.


What about people who do bad things in the name of the greater good?
What about people who do bad things in the name of themselves?

When I say people say that G-d is 'bad', I mean religion, for that is where people learn about G-d.
 
2013-04-26 04:28:54 PM  

NostroZ: Inflatable Rhetoric: Children are comforted by Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny, and other things. They grow up, and learn it's all make-believe.
Adults need to do the same.
There is no difference between religion and superstition, except a lot of people make a lot of money off religion.

This is a common line I hear online, and it's very juvenile.
Religion =/= Santa Claus...  most religions do not train their children that their dogma is a lie (seriously, why do Americans lie to their kids about religion/Santa).

Religion can be used to make money and control people... but if you think there is NO DIFFERENCE between superstition and religion, you have a lot of growing up to do.  Also, I would hold back your opinions of how stupid you think people who believe in religion are.  They'll wonder where you came up with your "religion is for kids" theory, since 85% of the world is religious.


I wont tell you WHAT to believe if you don't tell me what NOT to believe.
Got it?


I know your comment isn't addressed to me, but, speaking as an atheist, what propose is fine by me.  If only other religious people had that attitude I wouldn't have a problem with it.  Foisting your beliefs, or lack thereof, on others is bullshiat.
 
2013-04-26 04:29:06 PM  
Belief that I'm currently getting blown by Scarlet Johansson would have a similar positive effect. So if a delusion is going to make me feel better, I'll go with that one.
 
2013-04-26 04:29:54 PM  

Cytokine Storm: Man I want to believe in a deity, an afterlife, anything!  Most days I'm ok but sometimes late at night when trying to sleep, my stupid brain turns to thoughts of mortality followed by a sinking feeling of despair as I realize that before I know it, I'll be winked out of existence.  I'm actually jealous of religious people in that regard, the comfort it must bring the to know that there is something after, that it's not the end.  I'm not even that old, I've still got half my life left (hopefully), but I keep imagining myself in my twilight years clinging and fighting tooth and nail to stay alive one more day.

Oh well, I figure I'll eventually adapt and cope, my brain will just reach acceptance and all that.  Either that or maybe the dementia that runs in my family will make it so I don't even realize what's happening.


I have exactly the same problem. Panic attacks because of the waiting oblivion and such. Buddhist philosophy helps a little.

Religion, at its best, can govern evil impulses, inspire, and comfort. Religion... isn't always at its best. I don't think we'll ever really succeed in eradicating it -- the thought processes that predispose many people to it will remain -- so it's more productive to do our best at guiding the religious toward kindness and acceptance.
 
2013-04-26 04:31:55 PM  

icebergcomics: jso2897: icebergcomics: Happy is the man conscious of his spiritual need.

That can be true, but isn't necessarily so.

My experience is that when someone seeks to quench a spiritual thirst and won't stop until they find answers, they tend to be much more at peace and have a lasting happiness. A happiness that transcends government or status or poverty. True, unadulterated happiness.


I have known people like that. I have also known "seekers" who were neurotic and unhappy souls, always looking for, but never finding, a filler for some hole in themselves that only they were aware of. Depends upon the individual - when it comes to hairless apes, one size doesn't fit all - no matter how much some people would like to believe that they have the "answer'.
 
2013-04-26 04:32:02 PM  

fluffy2097: lockers: I would rather be unhappy than deluded.

Good news! people who have poorly developed sense of spirituality frequently are both deluded AND unhappy.


from whence the term holier-than-thou.
 
2013-04-26 04:33:12 PM  

icebergcomics: Happy is the man conscious of his spiritual need.


Miserable or dead are his neighbors.
 
2013-04-26 04:33:43 PM  

cbathrob: NostroZ: Inflatable Rhetoric: Children are comforted by Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny, and other things. They grow up, and learn it's all make-believe.
Adults need to do the same.
There is no difference between religion and superstition, except a lot of people make a lot of money off religion.

This is a common line I hear online, and it's very juvenile.
Religion =/= Santa Claus...  most religions do not train their children that their dogma is a lie (seriously, why do Americans lie to their kids about religion/Santa).

Religion can be used to make money and control people... but if you think there is NO DIFFERENCE between superstition and religion, you have a lot of growing up to do.  Also, I would hold back your opinions of how stupid you think people who believe in religion are.  They'll wonder where you came up with your "religion is for kids" theory, since 85% of the world is religious.

I wont tell you WHAT to believe if you don't tell me what NOT to believe.
Got it?

I know your comment isn't addressed to me, but, speaking as an atheist, what propose is fine by me.  If only other religious people had that attitude I wouldn't have a problem with it.  Foisting your beliefs, or lack thereof, on others is bullshiat.


If you could reason with religious people, there wouldn't be any religious people.

I've been waiting for someone to tell me the difference between religion and superstition for a long time.
 
2013-04-26 04:34:44 PM  

StaleCoffee: What the fark is so amazing about not having any idea what living for eternity is going to be like except that it's supposed to be awesome? If you can't find wonder in the world as it is I can't imagine how you could spend eternity living with the same guy whose crowning achievement was sticking you in the world you find lacking otherwise. It's like building a giant lego fortress with strippers and an endless font of Sam Adams and saying it lacks because the builder knocked off for lunch.


My idea of heaven is getting a peek behind the curtain of life. To witness and explore and (simulatedly?) experience. To know the real truth of history. To meet the multitudes before you and have endless time for learning.

It would be so nice if it were real.
 
2013-04-26 04:35:05 PM  

Inchoate: Cytokine Storm: Man I want to believe in a deity, an afterlife, anything!  Most days I'm ok but sometimes late at night when trying to sleep, my stupid brain turns to thoughts of mortality followed by a sinking feeling of despair as I realize that before I know it, I'll be winked out of existence.  I'm actually jealous of religious people in that regard, the comfort it must bring the to know that there is something after, that it's not the end.  I'm not even that old, I've still got half my life left (hopefully), but I keep imagining myself in my twilight years clinging and fighting tooth and nail to stay alive one more day.

Oh well, I figure I'll eventually adapt and cope, my brain will just reach acceptance and all that.  Either that or maybe the dementia that runs in my family will make it so I don't even realize what's happening.

I have exactly the same problem. Panic attacks because of the waiting oblivion and such. Buddhist philosophy helps a little.

Religion, at its best, can govern evil impulses, inspire, and comfort. Religion... isn't always at its best. I don't think we'll ever really succeed in eradicating it -- the thought processes that predispose many people to it will remain -- so it's more productive to do our best at guiding the religious toward kindness and acceptance.


Why would you want to "eradicate" religion? Those damn Jello salads with the little marshmallows in them aren't THAT bad.
 
2013-04-26 04:35:08 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: Tell me the difference between religion and superstition, then.

Not too long ago, much more than 85% of the world thought the Earth was flat. Than didn't make it flat. Got it?


You know. This magic box in front of you can be used to access other things besides Fark.
Here let me help you:
Religion - a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

Superstition - a belief or notion, not based on reason or knowledge, in or of the ominous significance of a particular thing, circumstance, occurrence, proceeding, or the like.

As you can see.  Religion denotes a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs and has been used as a basis for civilization for thousands of years.  Superstition is a derogatory term for a belief in something ominous that is circumstantial and has none of the richness of religious ritual, observance, or universe creation.

To cut to the chase.  When you call a religion a superstition you are insulting all the followers as stupid, as stupid as people who fear opening an umbrella inside the house.  If you enjoy insulting 85% of the world population with your view, go ahead.

It's rude and you cannot prove that G-d does NOT exist, but go ahead and insult people left and right.
 
2013-04-26 04:35:30 PM  
Seriously, sometimes I wish I believed in God, because it would probably make my life a lot easier.  I just can't do it, however.  I'm a naturally suspicious, skeptical person, and religion asks me to take too much on faith.  Too many of the pro-religious arguments are just too self-serving; the idea of frightening people into believing, lest they go to Hell, seems like a particularly cynical exploitation of human beings natural fear of death. The non-existence of God makes far more sense to me than the existence of God.  Of course, your mileage may vary.
 
2013-04-26 04:37:15 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: cbathrob: NostroZ: Inflatable Rhetoric: Children are comforted by Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny, and other things. They grow up, and learn it's all make-believe.
Adults need to do the same.
There is no difference between religion and superstition, except a lot of people make a lot of money off religion.

This is a common line I hear online, and it's very juvenile.
Religion =/= Santa Claus...  most religions do not train their children that their dogma is a lie (seriously, why do Americans lie to their kids about religion/Santa).

Religion can be used to make money and control people... but if you think there is NO DIFFERENCE between superstition and religion, you have a lot of growing up to do.  Also, I would hold back your opinions of how stupid you think people who believe in religion are.  They'll wonder where you came up with your "religion is for kids" theory, since 85% of the world is religious.

I wont tell you WHAT to believe if you don't tell me what NOT to believe.
Got it?

I know your comment isn't addressed to me, but, speaking as an atheist, what propose is fine by me.  If only other religious people had that attitude I wouldn't have a problem with it.  Foisting your beliefs, or lack thereof, on others is bullshiat.

If you could reason with religious people, there wouldn't be any religious people.

I've been waiting for someone to tell me the difference between religion and superstition for a long time.


Superstition is a pejorative for living in fear of supernatural consequences; religion is a collection of belief systems and worldviews with a spiritual basis. They are not mutually exclusive but they are not interchangeable either.
 
2013-04-26 04:39:59 PM  

jso2897: Why would you want to "eradicate" religion? Those damn Jello salads with the little marshmallows in them aren't THAT bad.


A lot of atheists seem to dream of this. I used to, but have mellowed over the last few years. I still hate that Jello salad, though.  :D
 
2013-04-26 04:40:03 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: cbathrob: NostroZ: Inflatable Rhetoric: Children are comforted by Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny, and other things. They grow up, and learn it's all make-believe.
Adults need to do the same.
There is no difference between religion and superstition, except a lot of people make a lot of money off religion.

This is a common line I hear online, and it's very juvenile.
Religion =/= Santa Claus...  most religions do not train their children that their dogma is a lie (seriously, why do Americans lie to their kids about religion/Santa).

Religion can be used to make money and control people... but if you think there is NO DIFFERENCE between superstition and religion, you have a lot of growing up to do.  Also, I would hold back your opinions of how stupid you think people who believe in religion are.  They'll wonder where you came up with your "religion is for kids" theory, since 85% of the world is religious.

I wont tell you WHAT to believe if you don't tell me what NOT to believe.
Got it?

I know your comment isn't addressed to me, but, speaking as an atheist, what propose is fine by me.  If only other religious people had that attitude I wouldn't have a problem with it.  Foisting your beliefs, or lack thereof, on others is bullshiat.

If you could reason with religious people, there wouldn't be any religious people.

I've been waiting for someone to tell me the difference between religion and superstition for a long time.


Of course it's possible to reason with religious people.  Some of the worlds greatest scientists and philosophers have been religious.  When arguing about religion, however, religious people, in my experience, work from a different set of assumptions, which aren't really amenable to reason.  Some researchers say that this is due to differences in people's brains--some of us are wired to be religious, some of us not.  I go back and forth about which group got the better deal.
 
2013-04-26 04:41:24 PM  

Inchoate: StaleCoffee: What the fark is so amazing about not having any idea what living for eternity is going to be like except that it's supposed to be awesome? If you can't find wonder in the world as it is I can't imagine how you could spend eternity living with the same guy whose crowning achievement was sticking you in the world you find lacking otherwise. It's like building a giant lego fortress with strippers and an endless font of Sam Adams and saying it lacks because the builder knocked off for lunch.

My idea of heaven is getting a peek behind the curtain of life. To witness and explore and (simulatedly?) experience. To know the real truth of history. To meet the multitudes before you and have endless time for learning.

It would be so nice if it were real.


I have three people that show up in green and I couldn't remember why you are one of them, but I see it's for good reason. That sounds pretty awesome.
 
2013-04-26 04:41:34 PM  

BMFPitt: Belief that I'm currently getting blown by Scarlet Johansson would have a similar positive effect. So if a delusion is going to make me feel better, I'll go with that one.


Infidel! My sect believes that I am currently getting blown by Scarlet Johansson and she's going to finish me off with her boobs. Repent, heretic!
 
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