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2013-04-26 03:18:48 PM  
NostroZ:
I find that a PERSONAL belief in a higher being alleviates the insecurities that come from thoughts about death and our overall lonesome purposeless existence.


Speak for yourself.  My existence is neither purposeless nor lonesome, and I am not at all insecure about the thought of dying.  It's going to happen, and in 10,000 years, this will all be just another fossil layer.  I won't care, I won't know, because I'll be dead.

I'd bet that nearly all of the "insecurity that comes from thoughts about death" stems from a belief that consciousness actually survives, and things will be unpleasant.  I don't think that consciousness survives death, so the fact that I will someday be dead doesn't bother me. I won't realize it.


Hmmmm... I wonder why people ALL OVER THE WORLD have religions...  I wonder if there's something GOOD to it.

People all over the world have herpes and stinky armpits too. That's not necessarily a good recommendation for something.
 
2013-04-26 03:19:21 PM  
Actually the sickening and outrageous shiat people do in the name of the christian god, yahweh, or allah depresses me more than cheers me up. How on Earth am I supposed to take comfort in belief in a deity, supposedly omnipotent, that won't even take the time to kill his own misguided followers before they kill people minding their own business?
 
2013-04-26 03:20:18 PM  
I've had chronic life long depression. I also don't believe in god. I've often wondered if having an invisible friend to lean on would help.
 
2013-04-26 03:20:30 PM  
Ponies also treat depression....
 
2013-04-26 03:20:58 PM  
I would rather be unhappy than deluded.
 
2013-04-26 03:22:43 PM  

cman: Religion does have its psychological pluses on people.

Belief that there is a reason to this chaotic thing called "life" comforts people.


That's reasonable. If religion gets a person through life and keeps them mostly sane, there's no real harm.
 
2013-04-26 03:23:27 PM  

NostroZ: Ego edo infantia cattus: [derecjones.com image 280x390]

I'll stick with marijuana, thank you.

This is FARK, don't you know religion is the cause of all that's evil in humanity.

Who is this heretic of a submitter???  Burn the non-believer!


Since the article specifically states it doesn't matter what religion, it's a fair assumption that just believing things will be better and someone is looking out for you is the motivating force here, not religion.

"And more than 30 per cent of patients claiming no specific religious affiliation still saw the same benefits in treatment if their belief in God was rated as moderately or very high."

I guess religion still sucks.
 
2013-04-26 03:25:19 PM  

mutterfark: Actually the sickening and outrageous shiat people do in the name of the christian god, yahweh, or allah depresses me more than cheers me up. How on Earth am I supposed to take comfort in belief in a deity, supposedly omnipotent, that won't even take the time to kill his own misguided followers before they kill people minding their own business?


You could make the argument that isn't exactly the case, fwiw. Higher power creates man (through evolution... duh), man turns out to be the burnout junkie of intelligent life, higher power sends moral teachers (Jesus, Buddha, Hillel, etc.). It's not beyond man's ability to comprehend the lessons of such teachers, and they explicitly teach that such conduct (murder, etc.) is forbidden.
 
2013-04-26 03:26:03 PM  

Katolu: cman: Religion does have its psychological pluses on people.

Belief that there is a reason to this chaotic thing called "life" comforts people.

That's reasonable. If religion gets a person through life and keeps them mostly sane, there's no real harm.


Here's your fire suit. You'll be needing it.
 
2013-04-26 03:28:37 PM  
All Jesus asks is for you to believe. He didn't say go to church, or be baptized, or do this or that.. but to just believe by simple faith. But for some reason that's too much for people.

/that's the whole of the message of the Bible for us gentiles
//don't let religious hypocrites deter you
 
2013-04-26 03:29:20 PM  

Marine1: mutterfark: Actually the sickening and outrageous shiat people do in the name of the christian god, yahweh, or allah depresses me more than cheers me up. How on Earth am I supposed to take comfort in belief in a deity, supposedly omnipotent, that won't even take the time to kill his own misguided followers before they kill people minding their own business?

You could make the argument that isn't exactly the case, fwiw. Higher power creates man (through evolution... duh), man turns out to be the burnout junkie of intelligent life, higher power sends moral teachers (Jesus, Buddha, Hillel, etc.). It's not beyond man's ability to comprehend the lessons of such teachers, and they explicitly teach that such conduct (murder, etc.) is forbidden.


That undermines the whole omnipotent thing, though.
 
2013-04-26 03:29:36 PM  
Prayers Don't Help Heart Surgery Patients; Some Fare Worse When Prayed For

patients who knew that others were praying for them fared worse than those who did not receive such spiritual support, or who did but were not aware of it.

Isn't the heart the feeling organ LOL a conservative newspaper prints BS but Thou shalt not bear false witness
 
2013-04-26 03:29:52 PM  

jso2897: Feeling a little persecuted today, are we?
Don't worry, Bucky - we won't feed you to the lions.
You'd probably give them indigestion.


That's funny... because the Romans used to feed Christians and other religious folk to the lions.
Hilarious.  Now back to farking that chicken of "all of humanities problems stem from religion".
I always find that the simplest answers are the truest.  Like, "why are people bad?  Because G-d, errr, I mean religion did it!"
 
2013-04-26 03:32:32 PM  
I have a lot of issues with religion, but one thing that I have a major issue with is the misquoting of Karl Marx.

About religion, he said:

Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

The subtext is that it is pretty much likely that the proletariat will turn to religion to make their lives less "nasty, brutish, and short" (thanks, Hobbes), and that's fine. I mean, what do you expect?

(Without other ideas and drives, that is.)
 
2013-04-26 03:32:35 PM  

FloydA: Hmmmm... I wonder why people ALL OVER THE WORLD have religions... I wonder if there's something GOOD to it.

People all over the world have herpes and stinky armpits too. That's not necessarily a good recommendation for something.


I believe you're confusing a SOCIAL TOOL (religion) for BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION of the human body and interaction with bacteria.

You're comparing apples to oranges, friend.
 
2013-04-26 03:34:03 PM  

mutterfark: Actually the sickening and outrageous shiat people do in the name of the christian god, yahweh, or allah depresses me more than cheers me up. How on Earth am I supposed to take comfort in belief in a deity, supposedly omnipotent, that won't even take the time to kill his own misguided followers before they kill people minding their own business?


You're view of G-d is highly interventionist.
You presuppose that G-d wants to rid the world of evil... when in fact, that's the job of man.  For evil resides in the hearts of men.
 
2013-04-26 03:34:44 PM  
i.imgur.com

I'm just going to stick my dick in the mashed potatoes.
 
2013-04-26 03:36:17 PM  

NostroZ: jso2897: Feeling a little persecuted today, are we?
Don't worry, Bucky - we won't feed you to the lions.
You'd probably give them indigestion.

That's funny... because the Romans used to feed Christians and other religious folk to the lions.
Hilarious.  Now back to farking that chicken of "all of humanities problems stem from religion".
I always find that the simplest answers are the truest.  Like, "why are people bad?  Because G-d, errr, I mean religion did it!"


That's patently absurd. There is no single cause for all that's bad in the world. A lot that is "bad" in the world isn't even evil - it's just contrary to human happiness. It may be conveniently self-aggrandizing to believe that anyone who disagrees with you believes the absurd - but it's my understanding that Jesus warned Christians against the sin of self-aggrandizement - or as he called it, "pride".
 
2013-04-26 03:36:38 PM  

StaleCoffee: NostroZ: Ego edo infantia cattus: [derecjones.com image 280x390]

I'll stick with marijuana, thank you.

This is FARK, don't you know religion is the cause of all that's evil in humanity.

Who is this heretic of a submitter???  Burn the non-believer!

Since the article specifically states it doesn't matter what religion, it's a fair assumption that just believing things will be better and someone is looking out for you is the motivating force here, not religion.

"And more than 30 per cent of patients claiming no specific religious affiliation still saw the same benefits in treatment if their belief in God was rated as moderately or very high."

I guess religion still sucks.


Huh?  Wait... This is like saying, people who are good at Math were happier in life and could get through tougher situations.  So math is good... but organized math... where it is taught... a school... that still sucks?

You say the teachings are good, but school is awful?
Maybe you just need a different school there buddy... just because you're school sucks at teaching you math, don't mean mine did.
 
2013-04-26 03:36:47 PM  

NostroZ: FloydA: Hmmmm... I wonder why people ALL OVER THE WORLD have religions... I wonder if there's something GOOD to it.

People all over the world have herpes and stinky armpits too. That's not necessarily a good recommendation for something.

I believe you're confusing a SOCIAL TOOL (religion) for BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION of the human body and interaction with bacteria.

You're comparing apples to oranges, friend.


People all over the world had slaves?

People all over the world keep women under blankets?

People all over the world hate people that aren't the same as they are?

People all over the world frequently engaged in large scale, organized violence for personal gain?

People all over the world are assholes?

People all over the world recognize Coca-Cola and McDonalds?

People all over the world are dancing on the ceiling?
 
2013-04-26 03:38:04 PM  

NostroZ: StaleCoffee: NostroZ: Ego edo infantia cattus: [derecjones.com image 280x390]

I'll stick with marijuana, thank you.

This is FARK, don't you know religion is the cause of all that's evil in humanity.

Who is this heretic of a submitter???  Burn the non-believer!

Since the article specifically states it doesn't matter what religion, it's a fair assumption that just believing things will be better and someone is looking out for you is the motivating force here, not religion.

"And more than 30 per cent of patients claiming no specific religious affiliation still saw the same benefits in treatment if their belief in God was rated as moderately or very high."

I guess religion still sucks.

Huh?  Wait... This is like saying, people who are good at Math were happier in life and could get through tougher situations.  So math is good... but organized math... where it is taught... a school... that still sucks?

You say the teachings are good, but school is awful?
Maybe you just need a different school there buddy... just because you're school sucks at teaching you math, don't mean mine did.


No, it's like being told any answer you come up with is cool, so you can feel good about assuming the cosine of yellowjackets is plasma.
 
2013-04-26 03:38:39 PM  
Numerous studies show that religious people people live longer, happier lives.

Assuming the religion you follow is benign (doesn't make you live like a monk, doesn't make you oppress others, etc.) it's a win-no lose proposition. You win with the comfort you get from *knowing* there's a wonderful afterlife waiting for you, that the universe cares about you, etc., and it's no lose because when you die your mind dies, and you never get humiliated by finding out there's nothing but oblivion ahead. So what if an afterlife is a fantasy. It really doesn't hurt you to believe in it, and it brings much comfort.

Knowing that you're only a ripple in the sea of time is not very comforting. You rise up out of the background noise, you have shape and height for the briefest instant, than you sink back down into the background noise from which you came. That's all there is.
 
2013-04-26 03:40:28 PM  
obvious tag surrendered
 
2013-04-26 03:41:43 PM  

jso2897: NostroZ: jso2897: Feeling a little persecuted today, are we?
Don't worry, Bucky - we won't feed you to the lions.
You'd probably give them indigestion.

That's funny... because the Romans used to feed Christians and other religious folk to the lions.
Hilarious.  Now back to farking that chicken of "all of humanities problems stem from religion".
I always find that the simplest answers are the truest.  Like, "why are people bad?  Because G-d, errr, I mean religion did it!"

That's patently absurd. There is no single cause for all that's bad in the world. A lot that is "bad" in the world isn't even evil - it's just contrary to human happiness. It may be conveniently self-aggrandizing to believe that anyone who disagrees with you believes the absurd - but it's my understanding that Jesus warned Christians against the sin of self-aggrandizement - or as he called it, "pride".


I'm being absurd to illustrate a point.  That extremist statements, often made on Fark and the internet, that religion is responsible for all our wars, evil, etc. are ABSURD, since religion and subsequently a belief in G-d is a POSITIVE for the human experience.

I did not mean to be prideful and certainly did not mean to self-aggrandize... I do not have all the answers, but I know that religion can and often is used as a tool for good.  Conversely, any tool of man can be used for evil.

This article points out the GOOD that a belief in G-d can give to a person.
This runs contrary to the popular online notion of G-d is BAD.
 
2013-04-26 03:41:45 PM  
A KKK, conservative, US marine, creationist, pro-life Westboro-Baptist-Church goer and homophobic gun shop-owner professor was teaching a class on Theology.
"Before the class begins, you must put your hands together and pray to Jesus Christ, and accept that you are sinners and that he is your lord and savior"
At this moment, an enlightened, euphoric, and intelligent atheist, who never had a girlfriend because he was such a nice guy, and had spent some time making quotes and was immersed in the teachings of Darwin stood up, and took off his walmart fedora that his mom got him for his birthday..
"How old is this fedora?"
The narrow-minded professor sneered in a rather republican manner and cockily replied "5000 years, you bigoted atheist"
"Wrong. It's 4.6 billion years old. Last night I was doing weed since it was so healthy and stuff and cures cancer, and while I was high, I realized that God didn't exist and the Bible was a lie"
The professor was visibly shaken and dropped his copy of the King James Bible. He stormed out of the room sobbing uncontrollably, partly because of him being proven wrong, partly because a priest molested him as a kid and those memories were resurfacing, and partly because the atheist was so damn awesome looking in his fedora that he might now be gay.
The student's applauded and all registered democrat that day and renounced all phony religions. A cat named "Mao Tse-tsung" ran into the room and sat on a copy of Darwin's Origin of The Species and shed a tear. Several biology text-books were read, and Neil Degrasse Tyson showed up and was elected president.
The professor later quit to spend more time at his favorite gun range, where his gun accidently shot backwards and killed him because guns are dangerous.
 
2013-04-26 03:41:53 PM  
God's doing a heck of a job.  With friends like him, who needs enemies?
 
2013-04-26 03:42:11 PM  

mark12A: Numerous studies show that religious people people live longer, happier lives.

Assuming the religion you follow is benign (doesn't make you live like a monk, doesn't make you oppress others, etc.) it's a win-no lose proposition. You win with the comfort you get from *knowing* there's a wonderful afterlife waiting for you, that the universe cares about you, etc., and it's no lose because when you die your mind dies, and you never get humiliated by finding out there's nothing but oblivion ahead. So what if an afterlife is a fantasy. It really doesn't hurt you to believe in it, and it brings much comfort.

Knowing that you're only a ripple in the sea of time is not very comforting. You rise up out of the background noise, you have shape and height for the briefest instant, than you sink back down into the background noise from which you came. That's all there is.


Yeah, but it's such a farking waste of time. I have better things to do on Sunday morning and better things to do with my money.
 
2013-04-26 03:42:46 PM  

NostroZ: mutterfark: Actually the sickening and outrageous shiat people do in the name of the christian god, yahweh, or allah depresses me more than cheers me up. How on Earth am I supposed to take comfort in belief in a deity, supposedly omnipotent, that won't even take the time to kill his own misguided followers before they kill people minding their own business?

You're view of G-d is highly interventionist.
You presuppose that G-d wants to rid the world of evil... when in fact, that's the job of man.  For evil resides in the hearts of men.


Or my view of god was influenced by my upbringing as a Catholic. I actually read the the Bible. Such gems as 'before you were born I knew ye' and Original Sin kind of bug me. Or god stopping the Earth's rotation to help his chosen people commit genocide.
But I don't believe in God or gods. Mankind has no problem committing heinous acts, especially when organized in groups of like thinking people.
 
2013-04-26 03:44:28 PM  

StaleCoffee: You say the teachings are good, but school is awful?
Maybe you just need a different school there buddy... just because you're school sucks at teaching you math, don't mean mine did.

No, it's like being told any answer you come up with is cool, so you can feel good about assuming the cosine of yellowjackets is plasma.


Religion is a left brain activity.  It is intuitive and therefore is not subject to the same rules of 1+1=2, but still follows emotional rules.
What you're describing is a right brain logic chain, which, while useful, is only HALF of how us humans experience the world.
 
2013-04-26 03:45:15 PM  

NostroZ: mutterfark: Actually the sickening and outrageous shiat people do in the name of the christian god, yahweh, or allah depresses me more than cheers me up. How on Earth am I supposed to take comfort in belief in a deity, supposedly omnipotent, that won't even take the time to kill his own misguided followers before they kill people minding their own business?

You're view of G-d is highly interventionist.
You presuppose that G-d wants to rid the world of evil... when in fact, that's the job of man.  For evil resides in the hearts of men.


All "evil" may reside in the heart of man - but not all suffering comes from evil. Hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes and tornadoes are not evil. Neither are cancer, birth defects, or polio. Suffering and pain are endemic to existence - and if God created existence, then He created pain and suffering, too. I don't question your truth AS your truth - just don't go thinking that YOUR truth is THE truth - cause it isn't.
 
2013-04-26 03:45:47 PM  

mark12A: Knowing that you're only a ripple in the sea of time is not very comforting. You rise up out of the background noise, you have shape and height for the briefest instant, than you sink back down into the background noise from which you came. That's all there is.


"Hey. Do you mind if I tell you a story? One you might not have heard. All the elements in your body were forged many many millions of years ago in the heart of a faraway star that exploded and died. That explosion scattered those elements across the desolations of deep space. After so, so many millions of years, these elements came together to form new stars and new planets. And on and on it went. The elements came together and burst apart, forming shoes and ships and sealing wax and cabbages and kings. Until, eventually, they came together to make you. You are unique in the universe. "
 
2013-04-26 03:45:55 PM  

jso2897: NostroZ: jso2897: Feeling a little persecuted today, are we?
Don't worry, Bucky - we won't feed you to the lions.
You'd probably give them indigestion.

That's funny... because the Romans used to feed Christians and other religious folk to the lions.
Hilarious.  Now back to farking that chicken of "all of humanities problems stem from religion".
I always find that the simplest answers are the truest.  Like, "why are people bad?  Because G-d, errr, I mean religion did it!"

That's patently absurd. There is no single cause for all that's bad in the world. A lot that is "bad" in the world isn't even evil - it's just contrary to human happiness. It may be conveniently self-aggrandizing to believe that anyone who disagrees with you believes the absurd - but it's my understanding that Jesus warned Christians against the sin of self-aggrandizement - or as he called it, "pride".


"There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." - Shakespear
 
2013-04-26 03:46:41 PM  

mark12A: Knowing that you're only a ripple in the sea of time is not very comforting. You rise up out of the background noise, you have shape and height for the briefest instant, than you sink back down into the background noise from which you came. That's all there is.


I think that's pretty farking amazing.

I am the ultimate ass kicking progeny of hundreds of millions of years of evolution. In me there are stars, dinosaurs, and oceans. I can use technology to manipulate the fundamental forces of the universe thanks to the accumulated knowledge and striving of those who came before me and leave the world slightly advanced in that same accumulation so many others contributed, greater or smaller, before me, or I can harness the vast powers and influence to jack off in my spare time.

What the fark is so amazing about not having any idea what living for eternity is going to be like except that it's supposed to be awesome? If you can't find wonder in the world as it is I can't imagine how you could spend eternity living with the same guy whose crowning achievement was sticking you in the world you find lacking otherwise. It's like building a giant lego fortress with strippers and an endless font of Sam Adams and saying it lacks because the builder knocked off for lunch.
 
2013-04-26 03:48:33 PM  

Katolu: cman: Religion does have its psychological pluses on people.

Belief that there is a reason to this chaotic thing called "life" comforts people.

That's reasonable. If religion gets a person through life and keeps them mostly sane, there's no real harm.


True.  My mother, a very rational woman, was also very strong in her faith.  Of course we are Episcopalians.

/free will and moral choice.
 
2013-04-26 03:48:40 PM  

NostroZ: jso2897: NostroZ: jso2897: Feeling a little persecuted today, are we?
Don't worry, Bucky - we won't feed you to the lions.
You'd probably give them indigestion.

That's funny... because the Romans used to feed Christians and other religious folk to the lions.
Hilarious.  Now back to farking that chicken of "all of humanities problems stem from religion".
I always find that the simplest answers are the truest.  Like, "why are people bad?  Because G-d, errr, I mean religion did it!"

That's patently absurd. There is no single cause for all that's bad in the world. A lot that is "bad" in the world isn't even evil - it's just contrary to human happiness. It may be conveniently self-aggrandizing to believe that anyone who disagrees with you believes the absurd - but it's my understanding that Jesus warned Christians against the sin of self-aggrandizement - or as he called it, "pride".

I'm being absurd to illustrate a point.  That extremist statements, often made on Fark and the internet, that religion is responsible for all our wars, evil, etc. are ABSURD, since religion and subsequently a belief in G-d is a POSITIVE for the human experience.

I did not mean to be prideful and certainly did not mean to self-aggrandize... I do not have all the answers, but I know that religion can and often is used as a tool for good.  Conversely, any tool of man can be used for evil.

This article points out the GOOD that a belief in G-d can give to a person.
This runs contrary to the popular online notion of G-d is BAD.


That's true. And a kid believing in Santa Claus may cause him to behave better. And that's all well and good, and nobody but a few intolerant jerks say it isn't. But it doesn't mean that there aren't other things that work just as well, or that Santa Claus is necessary for a child to be well behaved - same deal with "God". God is A truth - it may be YOUR truth - but it isn't THE truth.
 
2013-04-26 03:49:51 PM  

NostroZ: StaleCoffee: You say the teachings are good, but school is awful?
Maybe you just need a different school there buddy... just because you're school sucks at teaching you math, don't mean mine did.

No, it's like being told any answer you come up with is cool, so you can feel good about assuming the cosine of yellowjackets is plasma.

Religion is a left brain activity.  It is intuitive and therefore is not subject to the same rules of 1+1=2, but still follows emotional rules.
What you're describing is a right brain logic chain, which, while useful, is only HALF of how us humans experience the world.


Nope. You don't get to do that. I'm responding to your math analogy. You can take your next busted ass analogy and sit on it until you address the first one. Unless you'd like to just admit it was stupid from the beginning and doesn't work, then I can strip down your left-brain thing there.
 
2013-04-26 03:51:22 PM  
you will all understand it, by and by.
 
2013-04-26 03:53:17 PM  

mutterfark: You're view of G-d is highly interventionist.
You presuppose that G-d wants to rid the world of evil... when in fact, that's the job of man. For evil resides in the hearts of men.

Or my view of god was influenced by my upbringing as a Catholic. I actually read the the Bible. Such gems as 'before you were born I knew ye' and Original Sin kind of bug me. Or god stopping the Earth's rotation to help his chosen people commit genocide.
But I don't believe in God or gods. Mankind has no problem committing heinous acts, especially when organized in groups of like thinking people.


Right and religion has NOTHING to do with it.
The Mongols were open to all religions in their kingdom, while themselves practicing a regional worship of their motherland.  They were organized around the principle of speedy conquest.  During the transition of the Ming Dynasty in China 6.7% of the WORLD population was killed.  Religion did not cause this... a desire for power did.  Same thing can with Mao & Stalin in 20th century.

Catholicism is certainly a tough religion to reconcile, since it presents the dogma in such a black/white format.  Original sin. Masturbation evil.  Pooping is evil... etc. etc.  Silly in my opinion to say that man was created in the image of god, but his penis & pooper are evil.  Huh?  What does that say about the image of god?  Who are we to assume these things about our body that is agreed is supposedly holy.  etc. etc.

But, if you look past the edifice that has been built by man around the message of G-d, you can find much good.
Moses offered salvation and guidance that was beyond idolatry.  Jesus has offered redemption and love.
These are powerful and good themes.  Only because people have taken the good and placed themselves as brokers in between does not mean you should reject the product all together.
 
2013-04-26 03:53:21 PM  

mark12A: Numerous studies show that religious people people live longer, happier lives.

Assuming the religion you follow is benign (doesn't make you live like a monk, doesn't make you oppress others, etc.) it's a win-no lose proposition. You win with the comfort you get from *knowing* there's a wonderful afterlife waiting for you, that the universe cares about you, etc., and it's no lose because when you die your mind dies, and you never get humiliated by finding out there's nothing but oblivion ahead. So what if an afterlife is a fantasy. It really doesn't hurt you to believe in it, and it brings much comfort.

Knowing that you're only a ripple in the sea of time is not very comforting.


Really? Comforts the living shiat out of me. Maybe we find different things comforting.
 
2013-04-26 03:53:53 PM  
God has give us soooo many things to be thankful for.
Malaria, and mosquitoes to spread it.
Plague, with rats and fleas to spread it.
TB, polio, Ebola ... the list goes on and on.
==============
Even if you do think god exists, why would you think he loves us?  And why would you love him?

Fear I can understand, but not love.
 
2013-04-26 03:55:08 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: God's doing a heck of a job.  With friends like him, who needs enemies?


I do. Any asshole can have friends. But, enemies? I wear them like decorations of honor.
 
2013-04-26 03:56:35 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: God has give us soooo many things to be thankful for.
Malaria, and mosquitoes to spread it.
Plague, with rats and fleas to spread it.
TB, polio, Ebola ... the list goes on and on.
==============
Even if you do think god exists, why would you think he loves us?  And why would you love him?

Fear I can understand, but not love.


You aren't grateful for those things? Have you given any thought to how many more of these annoying, hairless apes would be around without them?
 
2013-04-26 03:57:03 PM  

jso2897: Inflatable Rhetoric: God's doing a heck of a job.  With friends like him, who needs enemies?

I do. Any asshole can have friends. But, enemies? I wear them like decorations of honor.


That is quote worthy, sir. Well done.
 
2013-04-26 03:57:50 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: God has give us soooo many things to be thankful for.
Malaria, and mosquitoes to spread it.
Plague, with rats and fleas to spread it.
TB, polio, Ebola ... the list goes on and on.
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Even if you do think god exists, why would you think he loves us?  And why would you love him?

Fear I can understand, but not love.


study it out. read C.S. Lewis.   many great men throughout history were believers. but you know better than them because rats and fleas.

brilliant.
 
2013-04-26 03:58:13 PM  

vabeard: Katolu: cman: Religion does have its psychological pluses on people.

Belief that there is a reason to this chaotic thing called "life" comforts people.

That's reasonable. If religion gets a person through life and keeps them mostly sane, there's no real harm.

True.  My mother, a very rational woman, was also very strong in her faith.  Of course we are Episcopalians.

/free will and moral choice.


Word. If I was still a Christian, I'd be Episcopalian. The fun ritual and pomp of Catholicism without all the guilt!

/plus wine!
//stupid Baptists
 
2013-04-26 03:59:02 PM  

jso2897: You presuppose that G-d wants to rid the world of evil... when in fact, that's the job of man. For evil resides in the hearts of men.

All "evil" may reside in the heart of man - but not all suffering comes from evil. Hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes and tornadoes are not evil. Neither are cancer, birth defects, or polio. Suffering and pain are endemic to existence - and if God created existence, then He created pain and suffering, too. I don't question your truth AS your truth - just don't go thinking that YOUR truth is THE truth - cause it isn't.


Thank you.  I never said there is a single path to G-d and only I have it.

But, it does appear that you whole heartily agree with my statement that "evil resides in the hearts of men".

Since as you yourself have described: suffering is caused by the natural flow of life... while evil is caused by intentional actions of men to cause harm.
 
2013-04-26 04:00:08 PM  

StaleCoffee: jso2897: Inflatable Rhetoric: God's doing a heck of a job.  With friends like him, who needs enemies?

I do. Any asshole can have friends. But, enemies? I wear them like decorations of honor.

That is quote worthy, sir. Well done.


It is a quote - from Cyrano De Berjerac. Although I believe the term "fool" was used in the original, rather than "asshole".
 
2013-04-26 04:00:39 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: vabeard: Katolu: cman: Religion does have its psychological pluses on people.

Belief that there is a reason to this chaotic thing called "life" comforts people.

That's reasonable. If religion gets a person through life and keeps them mostly sane, there's no real harm.

True.  My mother, a very rational woman, was also very strong in her faith.  Of course we are Episcopalians.

/free will and moral choice.

Word. If I was still a Christian, I'd be Episcopalian. The fun ritual and pomp of Catholicism without all the guilt!

/plus wine!
//stupid Baptists


If there are four Episcopalians gathered, there is always a FIFTH.
 
2013-04-26 04:00:45 PM  

mark12A: Knowing that you're only a ripple in the sea of time is not very comforting. You rise up out of the background noise, you have shape and height for the briefest instant, than you sink back down into the background noise from which you came. That's all there is.


You simply surrender to the highest power, the Universe. It doesn't love you but it doesn't hate you either. It doesn't tell you what to do or judge you. Life is at best a balance between pain and pleasure. Dying is just breaking even, no more of either. Thinking you should somehow be immortal is hubris which most fluffy-wuffy religions say is bad. All things die and fade away, even gods.

We could someday be LIKE gods, if we study the universe and learn its real secrets. We'll never do this with our heads up our ass believing the superstitious scribbelings of long dead, syphilis infected shepherds.
 
2013-04-26 04:01:29 PM  

vabeard: Katolu: cman: Religion does have its psychological pluses on people.

Belief that there is a reason to this chaotic thing called "life" comforts people.

That's reasonable. If religion gets a person through life and keeps them mostly sane, there's no real harm.

True.  My mother, a very rational woman, was also very strong in her faith.  Of course we are Episcopalians.

/free will and moral choice.


I'm atheist, but as long as a person doesn't harm others with their beliefs, so be it. Be it FSM, Buddha, or Jesus let them take solace.

/ Fark the Scientologista, they're scam artists.
 
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