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(Fox News)   US officials refuse to grant a visa to a gay-rights activist so she can travel to Philadelphia to receive an award for her work-but only because she is Raul Castro's daughter   (foxnews.com) divider line 149
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2013-04-26 02:55:51 PM

LasersHurt: rkiller1: meatsack_01: The United States has the RIGHT to deny ANYONE entry. Foreigners do NOT have a RIGHT to come to the United States.

Living in your parent's basement spouting Michael Moore liberal horse crap is no way to live son.
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+1 (Favorited)

Really? Really. A shiatty, tardo quip about Michael Moore is all it takes to impress you?

/I've got some fresh Material on Janeane Garofolo and liberals, if you want


Fark is where humor goes to die. I guess it just took tired and trite humor from a rightie for you to take notice ;)
 
2013-04-26 02:56:58 PM

skullkrusher: +1 (Favorited)

Really? Really. A shiatty, tardo quip about Michael Moore is all it takes to impress you?

/I've got some fresh Material on Janeane Garofolo and liberals, if you want

Fark is where humor goes to die. I guess it just took tired and trite humor from a rightie for you to take notice ;)


The bad humor I'm used to, just not people saying "OMG so clevarrsss favorite!"
 
2013-04-26 02:57:38 PM

serpent_sky: Seriously - why are we SUCH assholes to Cuba?  A little diplomacy would go along way, perhaps even to addressing some of the freedom and human rights issues in the country.


yeah it would. but Fla might lose some tourism dollars.
 
2013-04-26 02:58:43 PM
Seriously... I'm pretty damn anti-communist, but WTF is the BS embargo accomplishing? Nothing. It's decades past time to end it. If we haven't achieved our goals with more than half a farking century of unilateral sanctions then it's time to stop and try something else.

skullkrusher: it can't go on much longer. That is gonna be one wealthy fooking island (relatively speaking) once the embargo ends

That is more than unlikely. The whole rest of the world already trades with Cuba (Europe, Asia, etc.) and has been pretty much all along. We're the cheese standing alone on this. Pretty much the only ones we're hurting here are ourselves. This embargo serves no purpose other than to curry votes for the GOP in Florida. It's long past time to end it.
 
2013-04-26 02:59:32 PM

LasersHurt: skullkrusher: +1 (Favorited)

Really? Really. A shiatty, tardo quip about Michael Moore is all it takes to impress you?

/I've got some fresh Material on Janeane Garofolo and liberals, if you want

Fark is where humor goes to die. I guess it just took tired and trite humor from a rightie for you to take notice ;)

The bad humor I'm used to, just not people saying "OMG so clevarrsss favorite!"


happens all the time. People are easily impressed around these parts by people who agree with them
 
2013-04-26 03:03:07 PM

Jument: serpent_sky: Seriously - why are we SUCH assholes to Cuba?  A little diplomacy would go along way, perhaps even to addressing some of the freedom and human rights issues in the country.

Because the US is too far down the rabbit hole to stop. If the US were to suddenly say "you know what? this is just stupid" and end all sanctions, that would mean that the US would be admitting to being stupid and wrong for decades. Also, communism is still the devil. There may be other reasons but I think is at least a part of it.


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Considering that these communists revolted against our influence and drove our people off the island, nationalized all of our stuff, shot at us with guns and missiles and then almost decimated the mammal population of this planet by playing a game of nuclear chicken with the freaking Kennedy... No, I'd say it isn't the US that has to crawl out of any rabbit holes.

There's alot they could be doing to make things better with their neighbor (you know, besides flipping us off and throwing refugees at florida) or better for the residents of the island.  We've got no reason to kiss and make up with a dictatorship and no incentive to risk opening old wounds.

I say: Leave them be till they decide its time to move on.

/They wanted nothing to do with capitalism.
/They got their wish.
 
2013-04-26 03:04:36 PM

Hobodeluxe: serpent_sky: Seriously - why are we SUCH assholes to Cuba?  A little diplomacy would go along way, perhaps even to addressing some of the freedom and human rights issues in the country.

yeah it would. but Fla might lose some tourism dollars.


i think florida has lost all the tourism dollars to the rest of the carribean that its going to. i think the rest of the carribean should worry that when it opens up that americans who would have gone to the bahamas, VI or something would go to cuba instead.
 
2013-04-26 03:04:44 PM

skullkrusher: happens all the time. People are easily impressed around these parts by people who agree with them


Sounds like we agree. Favorited.
 
2013-04-26 03:06:42 PM

ShonenBat: So what is Castro's excuse for not going for democracy?


I'm sorry, did you mean for not going for capitalism?
 
2013-04-26 03:06:52 PM
Well, to be fair to my American friends, a gay, communist brown person is the Trifecta of Terror  TM
 
2013-04-26 03:09:55 PM

6655321: SovietCanuckistan: Have any of you American's been to Cuba? Other than Jay-Z and Beyonce, of course.

Dies Micheal Moore count?


Do Venezuelans count?
 
2013-04-26 03:12:52 PM
Oh FFS. We have normalized relations with Vietnam but but not Cuba. Seriously, WTF.
 
2013-04-26 03:13:11 PM

mongbiohazard: That is more than unlikely. The whole rest of the world already trades with Cuba (Europe, Asia, etc.) and has been pretty much all along. We're the cheese standing alone on this. Pretty much the only ones we're hurting here are ourselves. This embargo serves no purpose other than to curry votes for the GOP in Florida. It's long past time to end it.


You'll see an ENORMOUS tourism boom in Cuba once the embargo is lifted.
 
2013-04-26 03:20:01 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Jesus freaking Christ, get over it, America. China is far worse than Cuba when it comes to freedom, human rights, etc. And they are "most favored". Get over it. Open up the relationship, let's move on with our lives and stop living in the damn Cold War.


This. The Soviet Union has been gone for 20 years and it's been 50 since the Cuban Missile Crisis.  It's time to let this Cold War shiat go.
 
2013-04-26 03:20:48 PM
A 'gay "rights" activist' from a totalitarian country that locks up gays and who just happens to be the daughter of one of rulers?

Yeah that sounds legit.
 
2013-04-26 03:22:52 PM

douchebag/hater: A 'gay "rights" activist' from a totalitarian country that locks up gays and who just happens to be the daughter of one of rulers?

Yeah that sounds legit.


Because who needs activists in a place where people are being oppressed?

/Mariela Castro
 
2013-04-26 03:26:56 PM

studs up: theotherles: So how's the Gay life in Cuba?

Seriously?  Didn't Che shoot a bunch of queers?

Over and over again. (ssshhhhhh, you'll fark up the t-shirt sales to enlightened freshman everywhere).


Oh...right...
 
2013-04-26 03:47:45 PM

douchebag/hater: A 'gay "rights" activist' from a totalitarian country that locks up gays and who just happens to be the daughter of one of rulers?

Yeah that sounds legit.


I'd argue that that is the place where they are most needed.
 
2013-04-26 03:51:48 PM

Voiceofreason01: douchebag/hater: A 'gay "rights" activist' from a totalitarian country that locks up gays and who just happens to be the daughter of one of rulers?

Yeah that sounds legit.

Because who needs activists in a place where people are being oppressed?

/Mariela Castro


I like Wikipedia stating the obvious.
"She is the daughter of current Cuban president Raúl Castro and feminist and revolutionary Vilma Espín as well as the niece of former president Fidel Castro"

omg, Fidel's brother's daughter is also Fidel's niece?!!?!?!
 
2013-04-26 03:56:27 PM

theotherles: Seriously? Didn't Che shoot a bunch of queers?


I'm not sure about shot, but he rounded up a bunch of them along with other undesirables and stuck 'em in a forced labor camp.  I have always suspected that it was at least in part because that's how the Soviets rolled back then and Cuba was kissing up to Moscow pretty aggressively.
 
2013-04-26 03:59:06 PM

skullkrusher: mongbiohazard: That is more than unlikely. The whole rest of the world already trades with Cuba (Europe, Asia, etc.) and has been pretty much all along. We're the cheese standing alone on this. Pretty much the only ones we're hurting here are ourselves. This embargo serves no purpose other than to curry votes for the GOP in Florida. It's long past time to end it.

You'll see an ENORMOUS tourism boom in Cuba once the embargo is lifted.



It's already a popular tourist destination for Europe, South America and Central America. I know numerous people who have vacationed there. I seriously doubt lifting the embargo is going change things considerably on that island. Their problem isn't a lack of resources from the outside world, it's the inefficient method of capitalizing upon the resources they have due to their horrid government/political structure and oppressed society.
 
2013-04-26 04:04:33 PM
Anyone else feel we should make Cuba a state put an embargo on Florida instead?
 
2013-04-26 04:09:59 PM

Digital Communist: Are you suggesting that the US's campaign against Cuba has anything remotely to do with human rights?


Nope, I'm suggesting that that is the excuse people give for us continuing this lunatic policy towards them. Especially those Cubans in Miami: "but they killed and jailed my family!" Yeah, we have Vietnamese immigrants who are literally the only ones left alive from Vietnam in their family and we have relations with them. Stupid Florida. It is really what it's all about.
 
2013-04-26 04:10:36 PM

way south: almost decimated the mammal population of this planet by playing a game of nuclear chicken


I forget,

Which society invented nukes ?
Which society remains the only society to actually use them ?

Just wondering, anyone got google fu ?
 
2013-04-26 04:12:04 PM

flynn80: Anyone else feel we should make Cuba a state put an embargo on Florida instead?


Not sure.  What's the manatee situation in Cuba?  Manatee dives are awesome.
 
2013-04-26 04:12:28 PM

HailRobonia: Thunderpipes: Why should it matter that she is a gay rights activist? Does that give you some sort of worth?

Well it is kind of embarrassing that the Evil Human Rights Violating Oppressors are more forward thinking than the US.


But I thought freedom wasn't freedom when it's for homosocialists.
 
2013-04-26 04:14:46 PM

flynn80: Anyone else feel we should make Cuba a state put an embargo on Florida instead?


Won't happen.  Too many potential Republicans there.
 
2013-04-26 04:16:00 PM

mongbiohazard: skullkrusher: mongbiohazard: That is more than unlikely. The whole rest of the world already trades with Cuba (Europe, Asia, etc.) and has been pretty much all along. We're the cheese standing alone on this. Pretty much the only ones we're hurting here are ourselves. This embargo serves no purpose other than to curry votes for the GOP in Florida. It's long past time to end it.

You'll see an ENORMOUS tourism boom in Cuba once the embargo is lifted.


It's already a popular tourist destination for Europe, South America and Central America. I know numerous people who have vacationed there. I seriously doubt lifting the embargo is going change things considerably on that island. Their problem isn't a lack of resources from the outside world, it's the inefficient method of capitalizing upon the resources they have due to their horrid government/political structure and oppressed society.


well, aside from adding 300,000,000 potential tourists who live closer than pretty much everyone else who goes there currently and opening the largest economy in the world on their doorstep
 
2013-04-26 04:16:03 PM

SandmanEsq: ciberido: give me doughnuts: knowsomething: How does this not warrant the ironic tag?

Because there isn't any irony.

But wouldn't it be ironic to give the ironic tag to a story that hasn't got any irony to it?  Don''tcha think?

None of the situations described in "Isn't it Ironic" were irony.  Brilliant use of the concept by the song-writer or utter ignorance of the term's meaning.  Discuss.


It's like, meta-irony.
 
2013-04-26 04:25:13 PM

meatsack_01: The United States has the RIGHT to deny ANYONE entry. Foreigners do NOT have a RIGHT to come to the United States.

Living in your parent's basement spouting Michael Moore liberal horse crap is no way to live son.
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2013-04-26 04:28:02 PM

Jument: serpent_sky: Seriously - why are we SUCH assholes to Cuba?  A little diplomacy would go along way, perhaps even to addressing some of the freedom and human rights issues in the country.

Because the US is too far down the rabbit hole to stop. If the US were to suddenly say "you know what? this is just stupid" and end all sanctions, that would mean that the US would be admitting to being stupid and wrong for decades. Also, communism is still the devil. There may be other reasons but I think is at least a part of it.


It's kinda like an emotional or face-saving sunk-cost fallacy.
 
2013-04-26 04:33:49 PM

Molavian: Thunderpipes: Why should it matter that she is a gay rights activist? Does that give you some sort of worth?

+2 to same sex relationships.


Offset by the -1,000,000,000,000,000 for being commie spawn.
 
2013-04-26 04:40:18 PM

Slartibartfaster: way south: almost decimated the mammal population of this planet by playing a game of nuclear chicken

I forget,

Which society invented nukes ?
Which society remains the only society to actually use them ?

Just wondering, anyone got google fu ?


Would a China man be wrong for holding a grudge after you pointed a gun at him?
If you've done nothing but show your disdain for his way of life, does heowe you a second chance?

Our history with the bomb should have been all the more reason for the Cubans to avoid getting wrapped up in a nuclear confrontation.
They can kiss the ring whenever they feel like or maintain the status quo.We've got no reason to make the first move.

/Even if we drop the embargo, its Cuba people will be visiting.
/Not a happy place, and American money will only breed a return to their original corruption problem.
 
2013-04-26 05:04:59 PM
Ha ha!  Just kidding, she's actually an anti-gay rights activist come to lecture us on our decadence.
Fooled you!
Let the pendulum swing the other way and let the popcorn flow!
 
2013-04-26 05:06:53 PM

way south: American money will only breed a return to their original corruption problem


True, but at least there will be more people whose life gets better. The poor will mostly remain hopelessly poor. A middle class will develop. And shiat all over the poor. Still, when it comes to the usual Socialist fight for liberation of the poor from the talons of the rich, they only succeed at making everyone poor. And brutalizing them. Capitalism unchecked will bring us right back to the exact same spot in history, and will never help the poor, especially when mixed with corruption, but I'd rather have that than anything the Communists have tried and failed in the 20th Century.
 
2013-04-26 05:33:25 PM

fireclown: theotherles: Seriously? Didn't Che shoot a bunch of queers?

I'm not sure about shot, but he rounded up a bunch of them along with other undesirables and stuck 'em in a forced labor camp.  I have always suspected that it was at least in part because that's how the Soviets rolled back then and Cuba was kissing up to Moscow pretty aggressively.


I'm going to stick with because Che hated gays, blacks and just loads of people. He would have hated you too probably. Glossing over the fact her was a murderous psychopath by blaming it on the Soviets it a slap in the face of all the people he destroyed. Fark that guy and anyone that supports him.


Hatred is the central element of our struggle! Hatred that is intransigent...hatred so violent that it propels a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him violent and cold- blooded killing machine...We reject any peaceful approach. Violence is inevitable. To establish Socialism rivers of blood must flow! The imperialist enemy must feel like a hunted animal wherever he moves. Thus we'll destroy him! These hyenas are fit only for extermination. We must keep our hatred alive and fan it to paroxysm! The victory of Socialism is well worth millions of atomic victims!
 
2013-04-26 06:08:42 PM

skullkrusher: well, aside from adding 300,000,000 potential tourists who live closer than pretty much everyone else who goes there currently and opening the largest economy in the world on their doorstep



So what? It still won't matter to the Cuban people. As I've been explaining, lack of cash is not a problem in Cuba. They already have plenty of tourism and trade with the entire rest of the world. The people who are rich in Cuba now are the only ones who will be rich after the US drops the embargo.

They don't have a society which is largely dirt poor because they have no money or nothing to sell. They also don't have a society with such a low standard of living because they get Euros instead of US dollars. It's their government which is the problem. More tourists from the US won't solve that.

We should still drop the embargo though, because it serves absolutely no purpose other than for a particular political party to curry favor with a specific demographic here in the US. And it provides political fodder for the Castro regime to use as propoganda.
 
2013-04-26 06:12:02 PM

flynn80: Anyone else feel we should make Cuba a state put an embargo on Florida instead?


This.

Change the name of Florida to Mainland Cuba and embargo the hell out of it. Alligators, who needs 'em.
 
2013-04-26 06:34:01 PM

Egalitarian: I know a few people who have been to Cuba and enjoyed it. How much of their stays were in state-controlled tourist areas, I don't know. Cuba still has an oppressive government but it seems to have lightened under the reign of old-Raul.

If I had to choose between permanently living in Cuba, North Korea, Haiti or Myanmar, I would choose Cuba. Mmmmm plaintains.


Cuban food is awesome.

heard mixed things about Burmese food.

I also like Korean food, but I hear it's impossible to find in Best Korea.

/ haven't had Haitian food, but I'd probably run screaming for the Dominican if I were dropped there
 
2013-04-26 06:43:28 PM

ringersol: ShawnDoc: "When Florida stops being a battleground state, the US will finally get around to updating its policies on Cuba."

This. Attitudes on Cuba are the only reason the GOP has kept Florida in play. They're not walking away from that a day earlier than they have to.
And with their gradual realization that "the white vote" alone won't cut it anymore, they wouldn't *dream* of coughing up a political advantage in courting non-white voters.


My experiences have been that those Cubans in this country tend to hate the regime in Cuba and want the embargo to remain in place.
 
2013-04-26 07:16:54 PM
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2013-04-26 07:48:21 PM

LasersHurt: rkiller1: meatsack_01: The United States has the RIGHT to deny ANYONE entry. Foreigners do NOT have a RIGHT to come to the United States.

Living in your parent's basement spouting Michael Moore liberal horse crap is no way to live son.
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+1 (Favorited)

Really? Really. A shiatty, tardo quip about Michael Moore is all it takes to impress you?

/I've got some fresh Material on Janeane Garofolo and liberals, if you want


-1 (Ignored)
 
2013-04-26 08:38:20 PM
Why doesn't she just come to the US like the rest of them do.

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2013-04-26 08:49:27 PM

meatsack_01: The United States has the RIGHT to deny ANYONE entry. Foreigners do NOT have a RIGHT to come to the United States.

Living in your parent's basement spouting Michael Moore liberal horse crap is no way to live son.
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This is correct. And Americans have the right to express their opinion that they disagree with the state department. The Cuban embargo is basically just sour grapes/ pandering to the Cuban ex-pat community in South Florida. It's time for it to go. All it accomplishes is that Cuba's government has someone to point to to blame its problems on.

/don't live in anyone's basement
 
2013-04-26 10:42:26 PM

rkiller1: LasersHurt: rkiller1: meatsack_01: The United States has the RIGHT to deny ANYONE entry. Foreigners do NOT have a RIGHT to come to the United States.

Living in your parent's basement spouting Michael Moore liberal horse crap is no way to live son.
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+1 (Favorited)

Really? Really. A shiatty, tardo quip about Michael Moore is all it takes to impress you?

/I've got some fresh Material on Janeane Garofolo and liberals, if you want

-1 (Ignored)


Wow, that's a pretty fragile ego you've got there.  Bragging about how you're putting someone on ignore because he said you were easily impressed by a bad joke?  That's pathetic.

And now you can brag about how you put me on ignore too, if you like.
 
2013-04-26 10:47:32 PM

rkiller1: -1 (Ignored)


Oh, by the way, since you're going to put me on ignore anyway, I might also add that based on other posts you've made in other threads, I had already noticed before this little brouhaha that you're belligerent, hostile, misogynistic, homophobic, and defensive.  Plus you're dumb and use strawman arguments because you lack the intellectual courage or honesty to deal with what the people who didn't agree with you ACTUALLY said.  Or maybe you just weren't able to UNDERSTAND what they said, and it was an unintentional strawman.

So it's really no surprise to learn that your tender little feelings can't withstand such mild criticism.  I imagine you have a pretty low self-esteem.
 
2013-04-27 12:21:29 AM

diddletwat: ShonenBat: So what is Castro's excuse for not going for democracy?

I'm sorry, did you mean for not going for capitalism?


No, I didn't. I'll take popular sovereignty over market reforms, although the former usually leads to the latter.
 
2013-04-27 01:54:48 AM

ShonenBat: So what is Castro's excuse for not going for democracy?


The US was all butthurt over losing one of their favorite fascist dictators, Batista, and refused to meet with Castro when he came to the US seeking diplomatic relations after the revolution.  Russia took the opportunity to woo Castro and the rest is history.
 
2013-04-27 09:44:05 AM

Thunderpipes: Why should it matter that she is a gay rights activist? Does that give you some sort of worth?


Why should it matter where she's from or who her father is? Do those things detract from her worth?
 
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