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(Huffington Post)   US Ambassador to Aussies: Keep pirating Game Of Thrones and we will cut off your freakin' sword hand   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 35
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2013-04-26 11:30:54 AM  
5 votes:
Because NO ONE is pirating GoT here in the States...no one at all.

Definitely not me.
2013-04-26 02:39:33 PM  
4 votes:
24.media.tumblr.com
2013-04-26 01:52:46 PM  
4 votes:
I pay the iron price

/ have VPN, will travel

24.media.tumblr.com
2013-04-26 12:39:02 PM  
4 votes:

Teiritzamna: ha-ha-guy: Now you're just playing the idiot. Most people with an IQ above a radish can read the implied context of "had to pirate due to lack of availability via digital distribution channels, unlike the vast majority of other current shows". If you can't, I feel sorry for you.

Translation: i have decided that i want a thing but i do not like the price point/distribution model that it is offered for.  Thus instead of doing without - which heaven forfend i could not possibly do for some reason -  I shall obtain it without paying.  I shall also indicate that this decision to obtain something that i wanted in an extra legal fashion was somehow someone else's fault.  Because damn it i have a right to watch that show the way i want to - its in the constitution or somethin'.


The RIAA and MPAA aren't going to fark you.
2013-04-26 12:51:01 PM  
3 votes:

Precision Boobery: Good.  That should put a stop to this "piracy" thing.  Now we can focus on the real scourge:  inviting your non-HBO-having friends over to your house for a viewing party.  Your friends are criminals.  Thieving, freeloading vultures, the lot of them.


My neighbor once left his blinds open, and I accidentally saw an HBO show he was viewing. I had to turn myself in and pay a hefty fine, because I am not a criminal.
2013-04-26 12:33:15 PM  
3 votes:
Good.  That should put a stop to this "piracy" thing.  Now we can focus on the real scourge:  inviting your non-HBO-having friends over to your house for a viewing party.  Your friends are criminals.  Thieving, freeloading vultures, the lot of them.
2013-04-26 12:31:40 PM  
3 votes:
Oblig

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2013-04-26 12:15:50 PM  
3 votes:
They should stick to The Sound of Music.
2013-04-26 02:45:49 PM  
2 votes:
Okay, I did a Google search, and the very first movie that came up in a list of the 25 best Australian movies was The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert (1994)

www.stuff.tv

So you win *this* round, Australia.
2013-04-26 01:02:26 PM  
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: If you dont want to do it that way then you dont want to watch it bad enough. Just wait for the DVDs to come out and stop whining.


The 90s called. They want your moronically inefficient distribution models back.
2013-04-26 12:57:42 PM  
2 votes:
The problem's not Australians.  It's U.S. citizens with an Aussie VPN.

Not that I'd know about that of course.
2013-04-26 11:12:39 AM  
2 votes:
Dude!  Spoilers!

Also, I view Australia kind of like he wildlings north of the wall...lawless.
2013-04-26 11:09:20 AM  
2 votes:
eff with our copyright laws at your own peril!!

Who do you think you are?! China?!
2013-04-26 03:10:09 PM  
1 votes:

BgJonson79: geek_mars: BgJonson79: ha-ha-guy: Teiritzamna: ha-ha-guy: Now you're just playing the idiot. Most people with an IQ above a radish can read the implied context of "had to pirate due to lack of availability via digital distribution channels, unlike the vast majority of other current shows". If you can't, I feel sorry for you.

Translation: i have decided that i want a thing but i do not like the price point/distribution model that it is offered for.  Thus instead of doing without - which heaven forfend i could not possibly do for some reason -  I shall obtain it without paying.  I shall also indicate that this decision to obtain something that i wanted in an extra legal fashion was somehow someone else's fault.  Because damn it i have a right to watch that show the way i want to - its in the constitution or somethin'.

I'm just the invisible hand of the market and you're a troll, such is life.

So if you were a content provider, you'd be okay with people infringing your copyright?

<tl;dr>

I can't say I'd be "ok" with people infringing my copyright, but I would do all I could to discourage it while accepting that I cannot entirely prevent it. I'd focus on making it more widely available and affordable in the hopes of maximizing legitimate purchases.

That's a perfectly honest and valid and even moral answer.  New here? ;-)


Not new, but also not well practiced. I'm joining twitter soon, though, so I can try and learn to make my point in fewer words. Once I've mastered that I'll take up text speek.
2013-04-26 03:04:28 PM  
1 votes:

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: People ITT: "A lot of people pirate the current season of GoT because HBO has made it difficult to get legally."
You: "Oh, so because HBO isn't catering to your desired delivery model you think everything should be free!?"
People ITT: "Uh, no, that's not what we said at all."
You: "Buying the crown jewels! Cat poop coffee! Club goods! Rivalrous goods! LOOK AT MEEEEE...I WENT TO COLLEGE AND I'M SO SMAAART!"


Actually this whole thing was based on the argument: I was "forced" to obtain game of thrones illegally.  Of course people will do illegal stuff because they don't want to pay for something - if you notice i high-fived a guy for having the balls to just say that. 

As to the rest, fark it man, i like analogies and i figure if we are gonna discuss something, it doesn't hurt to know what we are talking about.  I assume that everyone i am speaking to is smart.  I suppose i could dumb things down but i figure that is much more condescending.  Also, more importantly, i am an obnoxious pedant - it's totally why i am on fark.
2013-04-26 02:55:38 PM  
1 votes:

geek_mars: BgJonson79: ha-ha-guy: Teiritzamna: ha-ha-guy: Now you're just playing the idiot. Most people with an IQ above a radish can read the implied context of "had to pirate due to lack of availability via digital distribution channels, unlike the vast majority of other current shows". If you can't, I feel sorry for you.

Translation: i have decided that i want a thing but i do not like the price point/distribution model that it is offered for.  Thus instead of doing without - which heaven forfend i could not possibly do for some reason -  I shall obtain it without paying.  I shall also indicate that this decision to obtain something that i wanted in an extra legal fashion was somehow someone else's fault.  Because damn it i have a right to watch that show the way i want to - its in the constitution or somethin'.

I'm just the invisible hand of the market and you're a troll, such is life.

So if you were a content provider, you'd be okay with people infringing your copyright?

<tl;dr>

I can't say I'd be "ok" with people infringing my copyright, but I would do all I could to discourage it while accepting that I cannot entirely prevent it. I'd focus on making it more widely available and affordable in the hopes of maximizing legitimate purchases.

That's a perfectly honest and valid and even moral answer.  New here? ;-)

2013-04-26 02:53:55 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-04-26 02:46:06 PM  
1 votes:

itazurakko: Teiritzamna: I am merely pointing out that the argument that HBO's stupidly expensive and silly distribution shenanigans in no way "forced" anyone to obtain it without paying.

People are criticizing HBO (and similar companies) for turning down easy money.

The important difference with the sports car is that sports cars are hard to steal.  Movies are pretty trivially easy to pirate. Like it or not, that definitely affects the market price of an item.  The music industry figured this out already.


24.media.tumblr.com
2013-04-26 02:43:33 PM  
1 votes:

Teiritzamna: StaleCoffee: So if the only way for you to buy that sports car where you are is to also buy four school buses, a Raiders-Themed RV, six Moroccan child slaves and a 64 ounce big gulp you wouldn't think of that as a somewhat flawed sales model? I don't contend that is grounds for theft of a sports car but I could understand why someone would steal the car and leave a bag of cash equal to 15% over the SMRP of the car in its place.

The answer would of course be to say: Hey car dealer (and HBO) you are a total moron and I would not buy all that crap.  Taking the car, however?  That is saying, hey your system of distribution is balls ass stupid (which trust me i think it is) but i have a right to that sweet sweet vehicle.


It's less about people feeling entitled to it and more about the options of driving away in a car where the dealership left the keys in the ignition, engine running, lot unlocked and unsupervised in the dead of night 50 miles from the nearest police station, no security cameras and a big sign on the road flashing "SPEND FIVE MILLION DOLLARS ON THIS STUPID PACKAGE DEAL THAT INCLUDES THIS CAR WE LEFT RUNNING IN THE LOT AFTER WE LEFT FOR THE DAY"

In the confusion of "WTF are they thinking" what ends up glaring to those faced with that choice is: spend five million dollars for sixteen things you don't want because there is no other option to buy that car, or drive off in the car consequence free.

Yeah it's still dishonest but most people are going to feel pretty farked by the dealerships attitude and flip them off right in return. It benefits nobody except the guy who drives off in the car. As well as the artist who built the car because it expands the vehicles popularity and increases its sales in more accessible venues, while stupid package lot cars sit there collecting dust.
2013-04-26 02:38:27 PM  
1 votes:

Theaetetus: Teufelaffe: It would only be ironic if in his comic about downloading GoT he had paid for doing so.  Then you have the irony of someone complaining about a third-party making money from illegally distributing their work while simultaneously helping a different third-party make money from illegally distributing work

He viewed the ads, which is how the different third-party makes money.

/he also illegally distributed GoT, making him similar to the Funnyjunk guys, but that's a whole 'nother conversation


A couple things... Did you miss where he specifically addressed that other 3rd parties were now making advertising dollars from people who visit torrent sites to improperly download it? Because he actually did mention that in his comic's critique of HBO's distribution of GOT.

Also, this is a cartoon he wrote to make a point and not necessarily a 100% accurate documentary record of him actually doing it.

And I'm not sure where you've been going with this in this whole thread. You seem almost conciously intent on missing the point of what Inman was actually saying in that comic. To whit, he wasn't saying people should pirate GOT, he was explaining how the old guard media companies have made things difficult for many customers like him to pay for the show legally in a timely fashion even if they want to quite a lot, and that is not only incentivising piracy for those people but actually going further and making it the best way for them to consume that media - with or without cash in hand. A totally valid critique.

I'm not sure why you're trying to conflate that perfectly reasonable critique with FunnyJunk's stealing of his content and passing it off as their own and refusing to take it down when he asked - and then siccing one of the world's oddest and least effective litigators on him. It's like comparing apples to ennui.
2013-04-26 02:03:41 PM  
1 votes:

Mosrael: They'll learn eventually.  They still think creating a sort of pseudo scarcity model will give them the most money, which is absurd when talking about digital content.  When your supply is basically infinite and the costs of giving the product to people is miniscule you can practically give it away and at the end of the day still recreate the Scrooge McDuck swimming in gold scene of Duck Tails.  Once they realize this we'll have extremely cheap and readily available content without having to wait months for a season's conclusion.


Agreed. The same thing happened with music content. Prior to the advent of iTunes & Amazon, people were either forced to buy entire albums/CDs to listen to one favorite song...or they could record it from a friend's album/CD (or even off the radio). Once Apple & Amazon made individual songs conveniently available for legal purchase & download, people were more than happy to oblige. Sure, companies weren't getting ± $20 for a CD...but if it's a choice between getting $1 or $2 for a song vesus getting nothing from someone who obtained it elsewhere? Last time I checked, $1 was still greater than $0.

Now if book publishers could just realize an e-book costs less to produce/distribute than a physical book...
2013-04-26 02:03:00 PM  
1 votes:

Teiritzamna: LasersHurt: Teiritzamna: LasersHurt: A lot of people cannot pay, because they are not given the chance. Often times these individuals turn to Piracy.

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Sorry, but how? It's not a limited commodity, you can multiply it infinitely for free.

However, the distinction between club goods and private goods is irrelevant to you argument though.  The argument was that someone who does not want to pay for a thing should, in fact, go without. You responded that they may be unable to pay.  Why this is a justification for why they should not go without is confusing to me.  It seems to miss the point that whatever the reason (personal distaste at the distribution system, lack of funds, hatred of HBO) if you do not want to pay for the offered good, the proper option is to forgo, not to obtain without paying. 

I agree that you SHOULD pay, if you can at all. And I don't mean "have the cash," either, I mean if there IS a mechanism for payment at all.
 
There is nothing so important about it that it has to be withheld from people who are not allowed to purchase it.


You do realize that this argument applies just as well to private goods as it does to club goods, correct?  I generally hate to analogize between them, but this argument would apply just as well to say a sports car.  The fact that it is rivalrous has little to do with the fact that "there is nothing so important about it that it has to be withheld from people who are not allowed to purchase it"


So if the only way for you to buy that sports car where you are is to also buy four school buses, a Raiders-Themed RV, six Moroccan child slaves and a 64 ounce big gulp you wouldn't think of that as a somewhat flawed sales model? I don't contend that is grounds for theft of a sports car but I could understand why someone would steal the car and leave a bag of cash equal to 15% over the SMRP of the car in its place.
2013-04-26 01:27:11 PM  
1 votes:

farkeruk: What none of these networks have grasped is how people now communicate globally. I'm in the UK. I heard about Archer because of Fark. I see people on here discussing Dr Who and I know a lot of them are torrenting it, because no-one even makes it available.

Now, can I get Archer in the UK? No-one broadcasts it. Right, so I can get it on DVD, yes. Well, only if I'll take S1 and S2. Which I now have. But I've watched S3 and S4 on some Chinese flash sites, because I simply have no legal way to watch them in the UK. £12 for the S2 Blu Ray. No problemo. Ask me £12-15 for S3 or S4 and I'll click the "Buy Now" button. But you don't even give me a way to stuff fivers in your pockets.



My wife and I are huge Terry Pratchett fans. Every time Sir Terry produces a Discworld novel we buy it off the Amazon.UK site so that we can get the English edition. Can you just do the same for content from American? Doesn't Target ship anywhere in the world?


And yes there are differences between the English and the American books. They spell "color" wrong!
2013-04-26 01:08:58 PM  
1 votes:

Teiritzamna: ha-ha-guy: Now you're just playing the idiot. Most people with an IQ above a radish can read the implied context of "had to pirate due to lack of availability via digital distribution channels, unlike the vast majority of other current shows". If you can't, I feel sorry for you.

Translation: i have decided that i want a thing but i do not like the price point/distribution model that it is offered for.  Thus instead of doing without - which heaven forfend i could not possibly do for some reason -  I shall obtain it without paying.  I shall also indicate that this decision to obtain something that i wanted in an extra legal fashion was somehow someone else's fault.  Because damn it i have a right to watch that show the way i want to - its in the constitution or somethin'.


I'm glad you understand. Except for the blaming sometime else part. I don't. I download it because I enjoy it and don't want to pay for it (although I am considering buying the blu rays). I really don't give a shiat what other people think about it.

/YMMV
2013-04-26 12:55:20 PM  
1 votes:

NutWrench: I didn't know Warner Brothers had its own ambassador.


The ambassador from HoBOstan.
2013-04-26 12:50:27 PM  
1 votes:

Precision Boobery: I also enjoyed this caption:

This is a publicity image released by HBO of Sean Bean portraying Eddard Stark in a scene from the HBO series, "Game of Thrones."

WE DIDN'T PIRATE THIS PICTURE!  PUBLICITY IMAGE!  OFFICIALLY RELEASED!  DON'T HIT ME!


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2013-04-26 12:43:48 PM  
1 votes:
That dude's more worried about GoT piracy than HBO.  Their biggest piracy concern is that people are putting up low quality versions that don't let people see the amazing production quality of the original material.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/03/31/hbo-thrones-piracy/
2013-04-26 12:42:49 PM  
1 votes:
One of the HBO execs said he didn't really mind the mass pirating of GoT. His main objection was that the visual quality wouldn't be up to snuff.
http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/03/31/hbo-thrones-piracy/
2013-04-26 12:39:00 PM  
1 votes:

Brittabot: I refuse to pay close to $25 a month for a movie package just so I can watch one channel one hour a week.

That said, I'd be more than willing to pay per episode or per season if I could download the show the same night it plays on television.

Since I can't do that, my only other option is to use less than legal means to get the show.

/Canadian



No. I agree with everything you said, except that part.  I really want to watch Game of Thrones, but I don't, for the reasons you've listed here. But I (and you) am not entitled to watch the show. I am unwilling to purchase the service at the prices they offer, so I do not. Pirating the show only sends the message that the DRM isn't "good enough".
2013-04-26 12:28:20 PM  
1 votes:

Ennuipoet: Because NO ONE is pirating GoT here in the States...no one at all.

Definitely not me.


Seems Legit
2013-04-26 12:26:18 PM  
1 votes:

ha-ha-guy: GoT is the first show in awhile I've had to pirate.  Almost everything else is up in iTunes, Play, or Amazon within 24 hours of its air date.  Eventually I'll go back and buy the show off iTunes or perhaps physical DVDs, but I figure I'll let the digital media sales flag for a bit to voice my displeasure with HBO's model.

/also moving back into piracy for FX shows now that they embed ads at the beginning and end of them
//if I'm paying you money to buy it, I expect it come ad free


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2013-04-26 12:25:20 PM  
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: That's the thing that amazes me about TV Networks. You've got a country full of people jumping up and down with fists full of cash, and yet, the US entertainment industry acts as if they are above needing their money and refuses to adapt with...quite frankly, the new generation that has grown up with the internet and instant gratification when it comes to entertainment.


Damn it, we've been doing business this way for the last 60 years, we are not going to change out business model now.  We'll just hire a few congress people to put a stop to technological progress.
2013-04-26 12:18:47 PM  
1 votes:
it is a penal colony, what did you expect?
2013-04-26 11:45:58 AM  
1 votes:
Maybe HBO should consider updating their distribution model and stop hiding behind copyright violations?

Novel thought, I know.
2013-04-26 11:29:06 AM  
1 votes:
I thought they pretty much banned the internet in Australia.
 
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