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2013-04-26 08:21:20 PM

Iplaybass: Aussies to US Ambassador: fark you.


This. I'm an Aussie, and I think it's kinda funny that he'd think any of us gives a rat's arse what the US Ambassador says.
 
2013-04-26 08:22:12 PM
BTW, Australia has been getting ripped off especially hard by big American media companies for decades. So eat shiat.
 
2013-04-26 08:32:42 PM

legion_of_doo: if they charge a premium for a la carte?

"wah they charge too much! unfair! I pirate them!"

you all can rationalize your theft all you want. you might even say you'd pay a $1 per hd episode a la carte while you torrent the stuff now. I'm saying the majority of you're full of it, and no better than the robber barons of the industry.


It's not theft if you've already paid for it ten times over.I've paid for movies, music, and games in up to 3 different formats now. When I throw my arms up and say fark you I won't keep paying for the same farking product I've already paid for 3 times I get locked out? That's why I take the new stuff like Thrones for free. Young people don't understand because they haven't been sold the same thing again and again.
 
2013-04-26 08:36:46 PM

legion_of_doo: if they charge a premium for a la carte?

"wah they charge too much! unfair! I pirate them!"

you all can rationalize your theft all you want. you might even say you'd pay a $1 per hd episode a la carte while you torrent the stuff now. I'm saying the majority of you're full of it, and no better than the robber barons of the industry.


People said the same thing about music downloaders before Itunes came out.  But, Itunes has made millions off of downloaded music.

Why don't we try it out and see what happens before you start hurling silly hyperbolic insults?

Ooops, too late.
 
2013-04-26 08:43:01 PM
 
2013-04-26 08:44:50 PM
It's nice to see that people have grown out of the idiocy of equating illegal downloading with theft...oh, wait.

/Seriously people, if illegal downloading is theft, then every time you take a picture of anything you're guilty of stealing everything in the picture.
 
2013-04-26 08:52:35 PM

ha-ha-guy: GoT is the first show in awhile I've had to pirate.  Almost everything else is up in iTunes, Play, or Amazon within 24 hours of its air date.  Eventually I'll go back and buy the show off iTunes or perhaps physical DVDs, but I figure I'll let the digital media sales flag for a bit to voice my displeasure with HBO's model.

/also moving back into piracy for FX shows now that they embed ads at the beginning and end of them
//if I'm paying you money to buy it, I expect it come ad free


takes a week sometimes 2-3 for a new ep of any show to be included on itunes canada
And not every show is available
 
2013-04-26 08:55:59 PM

rugman11: Teufelaffe: rugman11: But in this particular case, as the article noted, Game of Thrones is available for legal download in Australia on the same day it airs in the United States

Actually the article doesn't say that.  It says that Australians only have to wait a few hours to access the episodes by "legitimate means", but it fails to specify what those means are.  If they're the same as they are in the US, i.e., you have to have a subscription to HBO, they're facing the same situation that people in the US are facing who want to watch it, but don't have HBO.

You're right.  I misread the article, apparently HBO is a cable channel in Australia


Yes - you have to install and then subscribe to Foxtel cable. and then pay a month extra charge to get their premium channel "showtime" which has HBO. According to wiki Foxtel is available to about 70% of Australian homes. But it is on itunes also.
 
2013-04-26 08:57:34 PM

thisispete: I don't know about Australia, but here in New Zealand it is broadcast 6 hours after it screens in the US. Networks are getting more savvy about rapid distribution.

There's an argument that piracy is actually helping the series.


I have no doubt that piracy has helped the show.  Piracy will help pretty much any show.  The question is how much it hurts the network.  HBO is in an interesting position in that there revenue is based almost entirely on reputation, so if the show is talked about a lot, it gives them a boost (assuming people still subscribe because of that reputation).  For ad-supported networks, though, it's a huge issue, because lower ratings lead to lower ad rates and lower revenue.  Even DVR'ing is better than torrenting.
 
2013-04-26 09:03:02 PM
ha-ha-guy:
/also moving back into piracy for FX shows now that they embed ads at the beginning and end of them
//if I'm paying you money to buy it, I expect it come ad free


Definitely want the one I pay money for to be the superior product (meaning ad free) otherwise where's the incentive?  Paying for the product should mean being able to avoid the ads. Greedy company is getting paid twice, once by me and once again by the advertisers. Screw that.
 
2013-04-26 09:03:17 PM

rugman11: The problem with that is their contracts with the cable companies. Putting the episodes online would cost them subscribers and would really piss off the cable companies (who obviously make more money from HBO subscribers than HBO does). And HBO isn't in a position where they can survive without the cable companies yet.


I think Game of Thrones may be what lets them survive on their own.  Game of Thrones is the capper on a long list of incredibly successful, highly watched programs.  True Blood, The Newsroom, Boardwalk Empire... these programs are huge profit makers already, but GoT is insanely more so than the others, and it looks to be getting only more profitable as seasons continue.  HBO could easily leverage that into changing how their business model works.
 
2013-04-26 09:03:19 PM

spamdog: stoli n coke: Just like when iTunes launched.

yeah, just like when iTunes launched, whereupon millions and millions of people started paying reasonable prices for music.


Well how's that for timing?

"Believe it or not, Apple's iTunes Music Store turns 10 this weekend. Although iTunes has in many ways been a godsend to fans of digital music, it has been a source of endless frustration for the music industry."
 
2013-04-26 09:08:09 PM

bukijin: rugman11: Teufelaffe: rugman11: But in this particular case, as the article noted, Game of Thrones is available for legal download in Australia on the same day it airs in the United States

Actually the article doesn't say that.  It says that Australians only have to wait a few hours to access the episodes by "legitimate means", but it fails to specify what those means are.  If they're the same as they are in the US, i.e., you have to have a subscription to HBO, they're facing the same situation that people in the US are facing who want to watch it, but don't have HBO.

You're right.  I misread the article, apparently HBO is a cable channel in Australia

Yes - you have to install and then subscribe to Foxtel cable. and then pay a month extra charge to get their premium channel "showtime" which has HBO. According to wiki Foxtel is available to about 70% of Australian homes. But it is on itunes also.


Is it available on iTunes the same time it's available on HBO?  If so, I hate them damn Aussies.
 
2013-04-26 09:13:49 PM

rugman11: Well how's that for timing?

The reality is if singles were as available a decade ago as they are now, they would have been just as popular. Music nerds notwithstanding, the average music listener has really only cared about a few tracks off an album at most.


Which is exactly the complaint here. People don't want to pay $25 a month for one show. It's a ripoff.
 
2013-04-26 09:15:56 PM

rugman11: spamdog: stoli n coke: Just like when iTunes launched.

yeah, just like when iTunes launched, whereupon millions and millions of people started paying reasonable prices for music.

Well how's that for timing?

"Believe it or not, Apple's iTunes Music Store turns 10 this weekend. Although iTunes has in many ways been a godsend to fans of digital music, it has been a source of endless frustration for the music industry."


Yet the music industry still survives, even if is is whining incessantly. There are still as many bands/singers as ever, and even though I don't personally much like the modern stuff, that is probably because I am old, and I suspect the quality is probably the same, or at least the same as it would have been had there been no digital revolution.

Progress can't be stopped, the genie is out of the bottle. People understand how to download stuff for free. If you want them to pay for it, find ways of enticing them into doing so, rather than standing around crying like a child with complaints that the other kids wont play by the rules you made up.
 
2013-04-26 09:19:20 PM

spamdog: rugman11: Well how's that for timing?
The reality is if singles were as available a decade ago as they are now, they would have been just as popular. Music nerds notwithstanding, the average music listener has really only cared about a few tracks off an album at most.

Which is exactly the complaint here. People don't want to pay $25 a month for one show. It's a ripoff.


Most people aren't interested in just one show.  But the broader point is that the music industry viewed piracy is a grave threat (and it was far graver to music than to television) and, in their haste to capitulate, ended up cratering their industry.  Television is desperate to avoid the same thing (as well they should be because they couldn't survive as a fractured industry).
 
2013-04-26 09:30:47 PM

spamdog: rugman11: Well how's that for timing?
The reality is if singles were as available a decade ago as they are now, they would have been just as popular. Music nerds notwithstanding, the average music listener has really only cared about a few tracks off an album at most.

Which is exactly the complaint here. People don't want to pay $25 a month for one show. It's a ripoff.


It's like going to the car dealership asking to buy the Mazda, only you can't because it comes in a package where you have to buy a Ford, Hyundai, VW and a Toyota as well, and you only have enough money for the one car you actually want, not five. Or, in order to buy a banana at the supermarket, you have to buy some brown rice, ice-cream, white rice, breakfast cereal, basmati rice, laundry detergent, milk, flour, chilli sauce,  and three bags of onions in order to get the banana. Makes no sense from the consumer's point of view.
 
2013-04-26 09:32:01 PM

Teufelaffe: bukijin: rugman11: Teufelaffe: rugman11: But in this particular case, as the article noted, Game of Thrones is available for legal download in Australia on the same day it airs in the United States

Actually the article doesn't say that.  It says that Australians only have to wait a few hours to access the episodes by "legitimate means", but it fails to specify what those means are.  If they're the same as they are in the US, i.e., you have to have a subscription to HBO, they're facing the same situation that people in the US are facing who want to watch it, but don't have HBO.

You're right.  I misread the article, apparently HBO is a cable channel in Australia

Yes - you have to install and then subscribe to Foxtel cable. and then pay a month extra charge to get their premium channel "showtime" which has HBO. According to wiki Foxtel is available to about 70% of Australian homes. But it is on itunes also.

Is it available on iTunes the same time it's available on HBO?  If so, I hate them damn Aussies.


Don't know myself because would never buy or install an apple product let alone walk into one of their cultish stores. But according to the comments here "2 days after the US and 1 day after foxtel".

Oh I forgot to say that I really want to watch GoT at the movies. How awesome would a 10 series marathon be (perhaps spread over a weekend) ? Everyone would dress up and socialize during the breaks. It would be epic and I would pay real money for that.

Perhaps the correct model is the early part of the 20th century. Studios only received income from people actually going to the movies. And musicians made money by playing live.
 
2013-04-26 09:39:41 PM

Nidiot: spamdog: rugman11: Well how's that for timing?
The reality is if singles were as available a decade ago as they are now, they would have been just as popular. Music nerds notwithstanding, the average music listener has really only cared about a few tracks off an album at most.

Which is exactly the complaint here. People don't want to pay $25 a month for one show. It's a ripoff.

It's like going to the car dealership asking to buy the Mazda, only you can't because it comes in a package where you have to buy a Ford, Hyundai, VW and a Toyota as well, and you only have enough money for the one car you actually want, not five. Or, in order to buy a banana at the supermarket, you have to buy some brown rice, ice-cream, white rice, breakfast cereal, basmati rice, laundry detergent, milk, flour, chilli sauce,  and three bags of onions in order to get the banana. Makes no sense from the consumer's point of view.


You're missing, though, that bundling also lowers the price.  So while some people only want a banana, others also want the rice, ice cream, cereal, milk, flour, and onions.  Sure, they might not need the detergent or chili sauce, but the bundled price for all those products together is less than price for buying each separately (and is probably less than the price of any three or four of those items together.  So for a lot of people, the bundle is a great value even if they end up with a lot of things they don't need.
 
2013-04-26 09:40:16 PM

rugman11: But the broader point is that the music industry viewed piracy is a grave threat (and it was far graver to music than to television) and, in their haste to capitulate, ended up cratering their industry.  Television is desperate to avoid the same thing (as well they should be because they couldn't survive as a fractured industry).


The music industry still exists, if they are not making money at the ridiculous rates they used to, too bad. I'm afraid that is just life, things change. There is no constitutional right to making the same profit margins as you used to have. We still have as much music as ever, the consumers are happier, I don't see the problem.

Whether the television industry survives is up to them, we'll wait and see. As with any evolution, you can either adapt or die.
 
2013-04-26 09:44:46 PM

rugman11: You're missing, though, that bundling also lowers the price.


Horse cock.
 
2013-04-26 09:45:01 PM

Nidiot: Yet the music industry still survives, even if is is whining incessantly. There are still as many bands/singers as ever, and even though I don't personally much like the modern stuff, that is probably because I am old, and I suspect the quality is probably the same, or at least the same as it would have been had there been no digital revolution.


In metal that's certainly true.  I've been streaming KNAC.com on my commute and there's a lot of new/recent stuff that's just as good as "the good ol' days".
 
2013-04-26 09:51:55 PM

rugman11: Nidiot: spamdog: rugman11: Well how's that for timing?
The reality is if singles were as available a decade ago as they are now, they would have been just as popular. Music nerds notwithstanding, the average music listener has really only cared about a few tracks off an album at most.

Which is exactly the complaint here. People don't want to pay $25 a month for one show. It's a ripoff.

It's like going to the car dealership asking to buy the Mazda, only you can't because it comes in a package where you have to buy a Ford, Hyundai, VW and a Toyota as well, and you only have enough money for the one car you actually want, not five. Or, in order to buy a banana at the supermarket, you have to buy some brown rice, ice-cream, white rice, breakfast cereal, basmati rice, laundry detergent, milk, flour, chilli sauce,  and three bags of onions in order to get the banana. Makes no sense from the consumer's point of view.

You're missing, though, that bundling also lowers the price.  So while some people only want a banana, others also want the rice, ice cream, cereal, milk, flour, and onions.  Sure, they might not need the detergent or chili sauce, but the bundled price for all those products together is less than price for buying each separately (and is probably less than the price of any three or four of those items together.  So for a lot of people, the bundle is a great value even if they end up with a lot of things they don't need.


Then stop getting pissed that when those 'some people' who want only the banana go download the banana. If you can't cater to the demand, someone else will. If those 'some people' aren't enough for you to cater to when it comes to adjusting how you sell your product, be willing to let them go elsewhere. Wringing your hands together and pointing out what a "great deal" it is they have on offer to them, even though they have already decided it isn't a great deal to them, or what they want, seems totally useless.
 
2013-04-26 09:53:32 PM

Nidiot: rugman11: But the broader point is that the music industry viewed piracy is a grave threat (and it was far graver to music than to television) and, in their haste to capitulate, ended up cratering their industry.  Television is desperate to avoid the same thing (as well they should be because they couldn't survive as a fractured industry).

The music industry still exists, if they are not making money at the ridiculous rates they used to, too bad. I'm afraid that is just life, things change. There is no constitutional right to making the same profit margins as you used to have. We still have as much music as ever, the consumers are happier, I don't see the problem.

Whether the television industry survives is up to them, we'll wait and see. As with any evolution, you can either adapt or die.


Except that the only reason they're having to adapt is because other people are engaging in illegal behavior.  You don't think that, as a society, we have a responsibility to protect people and companies from the illegal actions of others?

And the music analogy isn't entirely apt because music, even today, is cheap to produce and distribute.  Television is the complete opposite.  Game of Thrones is a $60-70 million/yr production.  Do you think that ever gets off the ground if the producers had to sell the show individually, unbundled from a network?  Not a chance.
 
2013-04-26 10:02:15 PM

rugman11: Except that the only reason they're having to adapt is because other people are engaging in illegal behavior.


Good.
 
2013-04-26 10:04:28 PM

I created this alt just for this thread: Seriously people, if illegal downloading is theft, then every time you take a picture of anything you're guilty of stealing everything in the picture.


I do it for thrills.

/I am a rebel, and I'll never be any good.
 
2013-04-26 10:11:32 PM

Nidiot: Then stop getting pissed that when those 'some people' who want only the banana go download the banana. If you can't cater to the demand, someone else will. If those 'some people' aren't enough for you to cater to when it comes to adjusting how you sell your product, be willing to let them go elsewhere. Wringing your hands together and pointing out what a "great deal" it is they have on offer to them, even though they have already decided it isn't a great deal to them, or what they want, seems totally useless.


Except that the "elsewhere" is an illegal reseller.  If somebody takes your shiat, your gut reaction is to want to stop them from taking your shiat, especially when they're likely distributing it to others as well.  If somebody's bootleg editions of Harry Potter, should JK Rowling just let it go?

I don't know that I'm being entirely clear.  I don't think television producers are really "wringing [their] hands" over piracy.  It happens and it's pretty much impossible to stop.  That doesn't mean, however, that they can cater to the pirates nor does it mean they shouldn't try to stop them.  And it doesn't mean that downloaders (of which I am one) are justified.  Pretty much every show is available for a reasonable price at some point.  And I don't even necessarily have a problem with people who download while it airs and buy the DVD or downloads when they're available.  I just don't like people who argue that the entire business should be changed because some people want the product at a lower price (and can get it for free illegally).  Most people benefit from the current model.  It's just that in the last ten years, the people who don't benefit have been able to get the product outside of the model through illegal means.  And many of them now think that the model should change to fit their wants.
 
2013-04-26 10:23:15 PM
No. Their model is from an analog past and should change because the technology has changed.

It's up to them really. Get nothing from people copying their work or get something. Or stop using digital media....
 
2013-04-26 10:26:46 PM

ontariolightning: takes a week sometimes 2-3 for a new ep of any show to be included on itunes canada
And not every show is available


If you really want it fast, just download it from iTunes US.  There's no need to limit yourself to one store.

Granted, you'll need to buy iTunes US gift cards on the internet, but there's a market for it.

rugman11: "Believe it or not, Apple's iTunes Music Store turns 10 this weekend. Although iTunes has in many ways been a godsend to fans of digital music, it has been a source of endless frustration for the music industry."


It's called a market correction.  Forcing people to buy 7 songs they don't care for in order to get the one hit single they want is not a valid business model in 2013. The music industry is just going to have to deal with that.

Plenty of us only ever bought cassette singles (for that same $0.99) before iTunes, anyway.
 
2013-04-26 10:29:04 PM

bukijin: Oh I forgot to say that I really want to watch GoT at the movies. How awesome would a 10 series marathon be (perhaps spread over a weekend) ? Everyone would dress up and socialize during the breaks. It would be epic and I would pay real money for that.


That would actually be a cool thing, for a bunch of series.
 
2013-04-26 10:41:13 PM
It's a question of ethics. Can't get it in a format that you are happy with? Then don't watch it. Your life won't be diminished. Think you have the "right" to pirate it? Examine your own sense of entitlement.
 
2013-04-26 10:41:18 PM

rugman11: You're missing, though, that bundling also lowers the price.  So while some people only want a banana, others also want the rice, ice cream, cereal, milk, flour, and onions.  Sure, they might not need the detergent or chili sauce, but the bundled price for all those products together is less than price for buying each separately (and is probably less than the price of any three or four of those items together.  So for a lot of people, the bundle is a great value even if they end up with a lot of things they don't need.


Indeed.  So if you're smart, you offer BOTH SERVICES. You can buy single shows for X price, and you can buy unlimited watching for Y price a month.  If you watch a lot, Y is the better deal, if you only want a few, X is a better deal. Let the customer choose.

NHK does this, incidentally.  I can buy a show for JPY 210 to watch for three days, or I can have some unlimited for JPY 945 a month.   I watch the occasional documentary, so mostly pay by the show, but lately I'm watching more and so tempted to maybe go for that JPY 945. Now that I have actual good fiber internet so the streaming works, it might be worth it. The package would get me all news shows too, which is of interest (right now I only have those via radio).

The remaining peeve is that to use either option, I need to use a (paid) VPN to pretend I'm still in Japan.  I understand the desire to charge, because I don't pay TV tax (since I live abroad in the US) but it'd be convenient if they just surcharged those of us in exotic locales. Still, point being, the choice is there, and depending on my habits, I choose which package I want.

Speaking of bizarre copyright though... NHK has broadcast the news on shortwave forever, it's how we used to listen to it.  Then the internet came along, and they started streaming news.  At some point they switched to podcast (i.e. mp3s you could just right-click-download), but due to some bizarre restrictions, they would put up all the international language news that way, but Japanese language (the original, which is what we want) was restricted to streaming only.

So, we had to fire up a client and record to mp3 before putting it on the iPod, but it didn't stop anything, only made another hoop to jump through.  Finally they saw the light and now normal Japanese language news is also available as mp3. Saves some time in the morning.

As it is though they can't stream music, only the talk.  So if there's a song, you get dead air.  Unless you listen via shortwave... (or use a VPN of course, then you can use the iPod client and hear everything live)

/still, looking at the big picture I can't really complain
//as a kid, you lived in one country, you could NOT get media from the other without crazy $$$ and maybe shortwave...
 
2013-04-26 11:21:53 PM
I would be perfectly happy to buy each season on DVD, and will do so when they price it like other comparable DVD sets (around $20 per season). Instead, now they have a stranglehold on the price (currently $40+) and used copies are not to be found. Fark you, HOBO.
 
2013-04-26 11:39:24 PM

Vector R: I would be perfectly happy to buy each season on DVD, and will do so when they price it like other comparable DVD sets (around $20 per season). Instead, now they have a stranglehold on the price (currently $40+) and used copies are not to be found. Fark you, HOBO.


Not to mention the fact that Season 1 is now "out of print" making it nearly impossible to find.
 
kab
2013-04-26 11:40:00 PM

ZeroCorpse: That's really good news, as long as they keep the price reasonable.


Because this will certainly urge all the folks getting their shows for nothing to suddenly start paying.

*chuckle*
 
2013-04-27 12:18:37 AM

itazurakko: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Apple Iphone throughout the household. But thanks anyway.


Really was hoping this would turn into a bunch of geeks arguing over the best way to solve my problem....

not so much

I occasionally watch movies on the big TV by just hooking my iPad up to the TV, you can get a cable to connect your iDevice to HDMI.  Then just fire up Netflix or AVPlayer or whatever else you use, and it will show on the TV.

Granted, I am not picky when it comes to super high def or whatever it is, so it's possible that's not okay for you, dunno.  If you download the HD movies though it looks pretty good to my eye?

Then your remote is right there by the TV, it's just your iPad/phone/whatever. At the end of the cable.


you could by a western digital media box, it'll stream hulu, netflix, and youtube on your tv.
 
2013-04-27 12:32:45 AM

Teufelaffe: Not to mention the fact that Season 1 is now "out of print" making it nearly impossible to find.


"Out of print" is another whole pail of BS.  I'll just say I do not feel guilty or have any regrets at all for finally deciding to take a library book down to Kinko's and copy it cover to cover and have it bound, even, because I was referring to it enough and could not find any copies anywhere for sale.  One of the books I did that to, eventually I did run across a used copy, and bought it.  Hopefully some of the "print on demand" schemes the booksellers come up with can solve that problem. Again, it's the long tail - the book in question I was the only person to check it out in 20 years.

There are other reference books which I own in print, recommend people to buy, but I have downloaded pirated pdfs to my phone because if I'm out and about and wanting to give page citations to someone when answering a question (it's a grammar nerd thing) I can just look on my phone, rather than "I'll reply again when I get home..." I figure if I bought the thing legally, I'm not going to feel bad about also grabbing more convenient formats.

On the other hand, other reference books (which I also owned) went full bore into the digital age and made apps of themselves, not gonna deny that was part of what had me get a smartphone to start with, so it all evens out somewhere.
 
2013-04-27 12:41:21 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: My wife and I are huge Terry Pratchett fans. Every time Sir Terry produces a Discworld novel we buy it off the Amazon.UK site so that we can get the English edition. Can you just do the same for content from American? Doesn't Target ship anywhere in the world?


And yes there are differences between the English and the American books. They spell "color" wrong!


Not necessarily an option: US and UK are, I think, different DVD regions, and most DVD players are region locked because PIRACY.
 
2013-04-27 12:42:26 AM

Felgraf: The Stealth Hippopotamus: My wife and I are huge Terry Pratchett fans. Every time Sir Terry produces a Discworld novel we buy it off the Amazon.UK site so that we can get the English edition. Can you just do the same for content from American? Doesn't Target ship anywhere in the world?


And yes there are differences between the English and the American books. They spell "color" wrong!

Not necessarily an option: US and UK are, I think, different DVD regions, and most DVD players are region locked because PIRACY.


Which is another reason to upgrade to Bluray...no region coding.
 
2013-04-27 12:57:45 AM

Teufelaffe: Felgraf: The Stealth Hippopotamus: My wife and I are huge Terry Pratchett fans. Every time Sir Terry produces a Discworld novel we buy it off the Amazon.UK site so that we can get the English edition. Can you just do the same for content from American? Doesn't Target ship anywhere in the world?


And yes there are differences between the English and the American books. They spell "color" wrong!

Not necessarily an option: US and UK are, I think, different DVD regions, and most DVD players are region locked because PIRACY.

Which is another reason to upgrade to Bluray...no region coding.


Bluray is region coded - split into 3 regions in fact:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc
 
2013-04-27 01:07:58 AM
I refuse to watch HBO (unless its a DVD of one of it's original programs checked out from the local library) or give them any money by subscribing because I HATE their CEO. He's a complete idiot when it comes to business..get this: he believes that when the economy gets better, people will return to cable from streaming services, so he has pretty much said nothing from HBO will EVER be available on Netflix.
 
2013-04-27 01:27:01 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Nytfall: if you have an android device, get goldworm remote. keyboard and mouse remote control.

Apple Iphone throughout the household. But thanks anyway.


Really was hoping this would turn into a bunch of geeks arguing over the best way to solve my problem....

not so much


Try either teamviewer or remotejr.  Remotejr will cost between 2 and 8 bucks, tho.
 
2013-04-27 01:28:35 AM

Nytfall: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Nytfall: if you have an android device, get goldworm remote. keyboard and mouse remote control.

Apple Iphone throughout the household. But thanks anyway.


Really was hoping this would turn into a bunch of geeks arguing over the best way to solve my problem....

not so much

Try either teamviewer or remotejr.  Remotejr will cost between 2 and 8 bucks, tho.


or maybe just a bluetooth mouse
 
2013-04-27 01:53:11 AM

Fury Pilot: Teufelaffe: Felgraf: The Stealth Hippopotamus: My wife and I are huge Terry Pratchett fans. Every time Sir Terry produces a Discworld novel we buy it off the Amazon.UK site so that we can get the English edition. Can you just do the same for content from American? Doesn't Target ship anywhere in the world?


And yes there are differences between the English and the American books. They spell "color" wrong!

Not necessarily an option: US and UK are, I think, different DVD regions, and most DVD players are region locked because PIRACY.

Which is another reason to upgrade to Bluray...no region coding.

Bluray is region coded - split into 3 regions in fact:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc


They may have the ability to region code BR discs, but I have yet to encounter one that actually was.  Half my Blu-rays are from the UK (amazon.co.uk frequently has wicked good sales on BR movies) and they all play just fine on my player and BDR drive.  And no, these aren't US releases that happened to be purchased from the UK.  For example, my Harry Potter set has the original title for the first film: Harry Potter and the Philospher's Stone (why they felt it necessary to change that for the US, both book and movie, I have no idea).
 
2013-04-27 02:12:26 AM
rugman11:
Except that the only reason they're having to adapt is because other people are engaging in illegal behavior.  You don't think that, as a society, we have a responsibility to protect people and companies from the illegal actions of others?

If the companies are being dicks, then, no. How many companies given the choice between ethics and profits have ever chosen ethics? Yes I am going to lower myself to their level.


And the music analogy isn't entirely apt because music, even today, is cheap to produce and distribute.  Television is the complete opposite.  Game of Thrones is a $60-70 million/yr production.  Do you think that ever gets off the ground if the producers had to sell the show individually, unbundled from a network?  Not a chance.


...and movies cost how much to produce? I'm still not required to go see fifteen films to get to see the one I wanted to see in the first place. I suspect the 'we couldn't afford to make the thing you want to see if you don't buy all the stuff we make that you don't want to see' is a big fat lie by the company that just wants to keep rolling around in the huge amounts on money it earns.

Same as the music industry, there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth, but in the end the industry itself will survive.
 
2013-04-27 02:19:24 AM

Teufelaffe: Fury Pilot: Teufelaffe: Felgraf: The Stealth Hippopotamus: My wife and I are huge Terry Pratchett fans. Every time Sir Terry produces a Discworld novel we buy it off the Amazon.UK site so that we can get the English edition. Can you just do the same for content from American? Doesn't Target ship anywhere in the world?


And yes there are differences between the English and the American books. They spell "color" wrong!

Not necessarily an option: US and UK are, I think, different DVD regions, and most DVD players are region locked because PIRACY.

Which is another reason to upgrade to Bluray...no region coding.

Bluray is region coded - split into 3 regions in fact:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc

They may have the ability to region code BR discs, but I have yet to encounter one that actually was.  Half my Blu-rays are from the UK (amazon.co.uk frequently has wicked good sales on BR movies) and they all play just fine on my player and BDR drive.  And no, these aren't US releases that happened to be purchased from the UK.  For example, my Harry Potter set has the original title for the first film: Harry Potter and the Philospher's Stone (why they felt it necessary to change that for the US, both book and movie, I have no idea).


I suspect it is probably mostly used to cover for distributors and disparate release dates.

Why would I wait six months to buy from an Australian distributor if I could get the same thing cheaper and earlier from the US - because I can't guarantee that it will be usable in my blu-ray drive.

As for Harry Potter, the name change was supposedly because the US distributors where concerned that kids wouldn't know what philosopher meant.  <= Note: possible urban legend :)
 
2013-04-27 05:23:08 AM
If I want to watch something, I'll find a free download for it, but if I have to pay for it, I'll go without. It's not a case of if I can't get it for free then I'll resign myself to having to pay for it, because I simply do not to care that much. Companies like HBO wont get my money either way, so biatching about people like me downloading is kinda pointless. I was not about to put a dollar into their coffers regardless.
 
2013-04-27 06:13:08 AM

rugman11: Do you think that ever gets off the ground if the producers had to sell the show individually, unbundled from a network? Not a chance.


Thing is HBO Is producing the show. It's not a case of producers going to a network to get a show made. As a production company HBO could produce a show and sell it to another network if they so chose.
 
2013-04-27 08:46:48 AM

spiderpaz: Well then stop charging and arm and a leg for cable packages.


Kingslayer has just the basic package so they only took a hand.
 
2013-04-27 09:40:46 AM

Teiritzamna: ha-ha-guy: Now you're just playing the idiot. Most people with an IQ above a radish can read the implied context of "had to pirate due to lack of availability via digital distribution channels, unlike the vast majority of other current shows". If you can't, I feel sorry for you.

Translation: i have decided that i want a thing but i do not like the price point/distribution model that it is offered for.  Thus instead of doing without - which heaven forfend i could not possibly do for some reason -  I shall obtain it without paying.  I shall also indicate that this decision to obtain something that i wanted in an extra legal fashion was somehow someone else's fault.  Because damn it i have a right to watch that show the way i want to - its in the constitution or somethin'.


Goddamnit; It's Heaven-Forbid. HEAVEN FORBID YOU STUPID DOG-HUMPER!!! You're as bad as someone who pronounces pecan as pee-kan.
 
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