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(Huffington Post)   US Ambassador to Aussies: Keep pirating Game Of Thrones and we will cut off your freakin' sword hand   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 360
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2013-04-26 01:30:52 PM  
Well then stop charging and arm and a leg for cable packages.
 
2013-04-26 01:31:19 PM  

impaler: Theaetetus: Because he's complaining about someone making money off of advertising while illegally redistributing his content. Seems pretty apt.

So because he complained about a complex distribution model that makes it difficult for him to buy GoT, he can't complain about someone making money off of advertising while illegally redistributing his content? That makes no sense.


You're right, it does make no sense. Good thing I never said that he can't complain. I mean, that'd be crazy. Plus, it's not like I have censorship powers or something.

What I said is that it's ironic that someone who was embroiled in a big dispute over illegal infringement of his copyrighted works for commercial gain has a comic up about going to a site that illegally infringes copyrighted works for commercial gain.

Also, to your point, going to Funnyjunk is pretty easy for users. A lot easier than trying to remember individual URLs for all the individual comics. I guess consumers of comics like the Oatmeal who want an easy distribution model should just go to Funnyjunk?
 
2013-04-26 01:32:16 PM  

ZeroCorpse: The actual monthly fee for HBO ranges from $15 to $20 depending on your cable provider (Comcast is the highest, Charter is the lowest)


Quite to my surprise, in an attempt to switch to U-Verse, Comcast offered me 6 months of HBO free... When that died (2 weeks before GoT premiere), I said "Fark it" because I like Newsroom too. I called them up to ask what it would cost me to add on just the HBO packed. $10/mo. I was surprised.

Once GoT is over, I'll probably go and cancel it ... I really just got it out of laziness. Piracy takes a lot of a person, ya know.
/yarr
 
2013-04-26 01:34:46 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: My wife and I are huge Terry Pratchett fans. Every time Sir Terry produces a Discworld novel we buy it off the Amazon.UK site so that we can get the English edition. Can you just do the same for content from American? Doesn't Target ship anywhere in the world?


I could buy S3 on DVD in region 1. But you know, sometimes they prevent region 0, so you have to screw around and set the player to be R1, and my BD player doesn't support it, so then I'm into extracting the disc using handbrake and other stuff and you know what? I'll just live with chinese sites if it's going to be that much of a fuss.
 
2013-04-26 01:34:48 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Brittabot: I refuse to pay close to $25 a month for a movie package just so I can watch one channel one hour a week.

That said, I'd be more than willing to pay per episode or per season if I could download the show the same night it plays on television.

Since I can't do that, my only other option is to use less than legal means to get the show.

/Canadian

HA!!! Only $25 a month? Even in Canadian dollars that's a bargain compared to the norm in the States, where we have to subscribe to a digital HD package (upper tier, not just basic cable) before we can add HBO for $15 - $20 per month. And that's not even considering the fact that they charge you a monthly lease on your cable box of about $10, and a fee for HD access that also comes out to around $10.

And then, on top of that, a lot of cable providers try to block HBO Go access, even if you subscribe.

Comcast are bastards. Their pricing is the worst. Their requirements for getting premium channels are the most draconian. Their monthly lease fees are damn near unethical.

Charter is, so far, the best I've dealt with; Better pricing, free equipment, less restrictions and prerequisites.

But no matter who the cable company is, they're screwing Americans hard.


I should have clarified, the $25 per month is for the movie package including HBO that I would have to pay ON TOP of the $80-90 I'm already paying for my cable. If it was just $25 for everything I would definitely not be complaining about it :-)
 
2013-04-26 01:34:56 PM  

Theaetetus: impaler: Theaetetus: impaler: Here's the full comic:

Link

More than a little ironic that Oatmeal was the one complaining about Funnyjunk stealing his stuff and making money off advertising.
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/"But it's different when  I do it!"

The Oatmeal has a complex distribution model that makes it difficult for fans to buy?

No?

Then how is that ironic?

Because he's complaining about someone making money off of advertising while illegally redistributing his content. Seems pretty apt.


The difference is that you can just as easily go to his site but trying to watch GoT without buying it as part of a package deal is effectively impossible, and the point is that plenty of people are happy to pay for it if they could do so without buying a ton of crap they don't want along with it. Since it's so difficult to get it legally even if you're trying, and it's point & click to steal it, most people don't care enough to go more than a half dozen attempts to do it the right way. If you're not capable of typing out the Oatmeal guy's site name in the same context as that then I'm wrong and it's an apt comparison.

You ARE the "Wolves are huggable" guy though so it's not surprising you completely misconstrued what was said there.
 
2013-04-26 01:35:47 PM  
But Cersei Lannister (Lena Headey) is broke  : "Game of Thrones star Lena Headey has filed legal documents stating she is flat broke and has "less than $5 in her bank account".


http://www.torontosun.com/2013/04/04/game-of-thrones-star-lena-heade y- broke
 
2013-04-26 01:36:05 PM  

Theaetetus: Because he's complaining about someone making money off of advertising while illegally redistributing his content. Seems pretty apt.


See if you can spot the difference:

"I really want to give HBO my money so I can watch the current season of Game of Thrones, but they've made that impossible to do without buying a subscription to HBO which I can't do since I don't have cable.  I can, however, download the episodes illegally for free.  HBO is stupid for creating this situation."

"These guys are making money off of my work that they've taken without my permission and are distributing without giving me credit, and that sucks."
 
2013-04-26 01:37:27 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: Neither is a fat bald author.


ugh just the thought of the "great bearded glacier" in shorts makes me vomit a bit in my mouth, let alone in flagrante delicto.
 
2013-04-26 01:40:14 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: My wife and I are huge Terry Pratchett fans. Every time Sir Terry produces a Discworld novel we buy it off the Amazon.UK site so that we can get the English edition. Can you just do the same for content from American? Doesn't Target ship anywhere in the world?


Amazon will ship books, CDs, and DVDs outside of the country. They will not ship electronics, video games, toys, or anything like that.

Of course there are usually other resellers for that stuff.  Where there's a market, usually there are sellers. Those sellers are just harder to find out and deal with.

The other option for stores that refuse to ship abroad is you can buy an account that will let you ship stuff to an address in the US that then will ship it to you. Expats do this frequently, of course you will pay $$$ for such services.  Again, it's the sort of thing that the original store could potentially offer and charge you for, but they don't, so enter the middlemen.
 
2013-04-26 01:40:25 PM  
if you don't want to pay, don't watch it. is that so difficult?

sure, big corporation is the evil, so you'll just steal stuff to even out the score? that's bull shiat. pay your fair share if you are so keen on that.

or go read the books in your local library if you're so cheap. nobody promised you instant access to television shows as a God given right.
 
2013-04-26 01:42:01 PM  

impaler: Oblig

Link

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Pretty much this. I would love it I could just get HBO alone. I don't want any other cable channel, just that one, and that's it.
 
2013-04-26 01:42:20 PM  

Theaetetus: impaler: Theaetetus: Because he's complaining about someone making money off of advertising while illegally redistributing his content. Seems pretty apt.

So because he complained about a complex distribution model that makes it difficult for him to buy GoT, he can't complain about someone making money off of advertising while illegally redistributing his content? That makes no sense.

You're right, it does make no sense. Good thing I never said that he can't complain. I mean, that'd be crazy. Plus, it's not like I have censorship powers or something.

What I said is that it's ironic that someone who was embroiled in a big dispute over illegal infringement of his copyrighted works for commercial gain has a comic up about going to a site that illegally infringes copyrighted works for commercial gain.

Also, to your point, going to Funnyjunk is pretty easy for users. A lot easier than trying to remember individual URLs for all the individual comics. I guess consumers of comics like the Oatmeal who want an easy distribution model should just go to Funnyjunk?


It would only be ironic if in his comic about downloading GoT he had paid for doing so.  Then you have the irony of someone complaining about a third-party making money from illegally distributing their work while simultaneously helping a different third-party make money from illegally distributing work.
 
2013-04-26 01:42:22 PM  

legion_of_doo: if you don't want to pay, don't watch it. is that so difficult?

sure, big corporation is the evil, so you'll just steal stuff to even out the score? that's bull shiat. pay your fair share if you are so keen on that.

or go read the books in your local library if you're so cheap. nobody promised you instant access to television shows as a God given right.


A lot of people cannot pay, because they are not given the chance. Often times these individuals turn to Piracy.
 
2013-04-26 01:43:52 PM  

LasersHurt: A lot of people cannot pay, because they are not given the chance. Often times these individuals turn to Piracy.


thebreakthrough.org
 
2013-04-26 01:43:57 PM  
I enjoy watching these old dinosaurs flailing about in the tar pits. Too bad for them they didn't evolve wings.
 
2013-04-26 01:45:16 PM  
I'm not going to pay for cable.  Because I don't watch 99% of the shows.

I'm not going to pay for HBO Go, because "streaming" actually just means "buffering with 30 seconds progress every five minutes".  (Yes, I realize that it's not always HBO's fault.  What difference does it make?  It still means I'm paying for a service that I don't receive and cannot do anything about.)

I will happily pay full price for the DVDs or Blu-ray... once they come out next year a week before the next season starts.
 In the meantime, I want something that I can watch.  When I have time to watch it.  Without having to sit around and hope that some streaming server somewhere isn't horribly overloaded.

 Until that day arrives, I'm going to find a torrent and let the damn thing trickle down over the course of a week so I can watch it this weekend.
 
2013-04-26 01:45:48 PM  

legion_of_doo: if you don't want to pay, don't watch it. is that so difficult?

sure, big corporation is the evil, so you'll just steal stuff to even out the score? that's bull shiat. pay your fair share if you are so keen on that.

or go read the books in your local library if you're so cheap. nobody promised you instant access to television shows as a God given right.


While I would agree in principle, in my area they don't even offer the HBO package unless it's in a 210/month bundle deal. I have no idea why. I don't care enough to steal it either though.
 
2013-04-26 01:45:58 PM  

Teiritzamna: LasersHurt: A lot of people cannot pay, because they are not given the chance. Often times these individuals turn to Piracy.

[thebreakthrough.org image 237x213]


Sorry, but how? It's not a limited commodity, you can multiply it infinitely for free.

I agree that you SHOULD pay, if you can at all. And I don't mean "have the cash," either, I mean if there IS a mechanism for payment at all.

There is nothing so important about it that it has to be withheld from people who are not allowed to purchase it.
 
2013-04-26 01:46:19 PM  

Teufelaffe: It would only be ironic if in his comic about downloading GoT he had paid for doing so.  Then you have the irony of someone complaining about a third-party making money from illegally distributing their work while simultaneously helping a different third-party make money from illegally distributing work


He viewed the ads, which is how the different third-party makes money.

/he also illegally distributed GoT, making him similar to the Funnyjunk guys, but that's a whole 'nother conversation
 
2013-04-26 01:48:12 PM  

Mantour: But Cersei Lannister (Lena Headey) is broke  : "Game of Thrones star Lena Headey has filed legal documents stating she is flat broke and has "less than $5 in her bank account".


http://www.torontosun.com/2013/04/04/game-of-thrones-star-lena-heade y- broke


A similar article was posted the other day. She's been in quite a few movies and TV shows. I gotta wonder how she became so broke.
 
2013-04-26 01:50:06 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: LowbrowDeluxe: Seriously, no one is debating what you said. No one has said that ever.

ha-ha-guy: GoT is the first show in awhile I've had to pirate. Almost everything else is up in iTunes, Play, or Amazon within 24 hours of its air date. Eventually I'll go back and buy the show off iTunes or perhaps physical DVDs, but I figure I'll let the digital media sales flag for a bit to voice my displeasure with HBO's model.

sounds like someone did


Okay, I realize this is the internet and English may or may not be your first language, in which case, allow me to be the latest, though surely not the first to suggest that you fark off back to farkdickistan and then proceed to fark yourself with your own dick, flaming bowl, etc etc etc.Sincerely, etc

I say this, because anyone with a 2nd grade grasp of the language could easily figure out that there are several implied caveats to that statement. 'If I want to watch it at all' 'if I am unwilling to sign up for an entire service for one show'.  On the off chance that you are actually just an idiot, however, I will suggest, with all due respect and caring, that you take the strawman you are valiantly fighting, fark off with it, fark yourself with it, and then, choke to death on a flaming bowl of your own fark-soaked strawman farking dick.
 
2013-04-26 01:51:11 PM  
I actually tried all the stuff from The Oatmeal's comic (before I saw it, of course) before just downloading GoT (and 1-2 other shows I actually enjoy).  I don't enjoy enough TV to bother paying exorbitant prices for a cable package that will include the few things I actually want.

Stick it on Netflix, let me stream or download it from your site (for a price-per-episode), SOMETHING that doesn't mean I have to wait until the DVDs are available weeks after the show is done airing for the season. In case any network execs are listening: I'd pay more for a legal digital download than I would for streaming services but I WOULD pay.

HBO has a very realistic attitude (if they really don't worry about the pirating).  I'll look into the HBO GO offering if it actually is available in June (as someone posted above).  I'm not holding my breath though, I can't even get the damn webpage to load properly and it can't resolve where I'm located (which might make it tricky).

/actually have paid for iTunes shows and Google Play Store movies
//have Netflix
///cable/satellite providers around here can EABOD; charlatans and thieves the lot of them
 
2013-04-26 01:52:46 PM  
I pay the iron price

/ have VPN, will travel

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-26 01:56:09 PM  

Elzar: I pay the iron price


Rape & pillage the HBO studios to get the series?.
 
2013-04-26 01:57:20 PM  

LasersHurt: Teiritzamna: LasersHurt: A lot of people cannot pay, because they are not given the chance. Often times these individuals turn to Piracy.

[thebreakthrough.org image 237x213]

Sorry, but how? It's not a limited commodity, you can multiply it infinitely for free.


However, the distinction between club goods and private goods is irrelevant to you argument though.  The argument was that someone who does not want to pay for a thing should, in fact, go without. You responded that they may be unable to pay.  Why this is a justification for why they should not go without is confusing to me.  It seems to miss the point that whatever the reason (personal distaste at the distribution system, lack of funds, hatred of HBO) if you do not want to pay for the offered good, the proper option is to forgo, not to obtain without paying. 

I agree that you SHOULD pay, if you can at all. And I don't mean "have the cash," either, I mean if there IS a mechanism for payment at all.
 
There is nothing so important about it that it has to be withheld from people who are not allowed to purchase it.


You do realize that this argument applies just as well to private goods as it does to club goods, correct?  I generally hate to analogize between them, but this argument would apply just as well to say a sports car.  The fact that it is rivalrous has little to do with the fact that "there is nothing so important about it that it has to be withheld from people who are not allowed to purchase it"
 
2013-04-26 01:59:14 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: justtray: Maybe HBO should consider updating their distribution model and stop hiding behind copyright violations?

Novel thought, I know.

You can purchase HBO GO in June without a cable subscription, so I'm not sure what you're carrying on about.


That's really good news, as long as they keep the price reasonable.
 
2013-04-26 01:59:43 PM  

Precision Boobery: Good.  That should put a stop to this "piracy" thing.  Now we can focus on the real scourge:  inviting your non-HBO-having friends over to your house for a viewing party.  Your friends are criminals.  Thieving, freeloading vultures, the lot of them.


But... they bring snacks and beer... so that's cool, right?
 
2013-04-26 02:00:04 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: I say this, because anyone with a 2nd grade grasp of the language could easily figure out that there are several implied caveats to that statement.


Those caveats do not rationally exist, because it's such a common argument that is made.  The people making it do not understand that you want those caveats to exist, or they would not use that particular phrase in such a cavalier fashion.  The fact that you want them to exist does not mean that they do.  It is the comprehension of those using the statements that must be addressed, not necessarily yours.
 
2013-04-26 02:00:22 PM  
"Game of Thrones" was the most pirated TV series in 2012

our heroic pirate crusaders at fark always say they only pirate things that they think are bad to try them out then buy it if they like it, so Game of Thrones must be really really bad if it's getting pirated that much.

surveys had found that unsurprisingly, most of the illegal downloaders said they did it because it was free.

our heroic pirate crusaders at fark say this isn't true. they always say they wouldn't pirate if they content was easier to pay for so it must be really really hard to see Game of Thrones legally.

"If the 4 million people who watched 'Game of Thrones' legally had been illegal downloaders - the show would be off the air and there would never have been a season 3,"

our heroic pirate crusaders at fark say that pirating costs companies exactly $0 in losses so there's no way this statement could be true
 
2013-04-26 02:01:35 PM  

Teiritzamna: but this argument would apply just as well to say a sports car.


No it wouldn't. That's absurd. If someone takes the car, they have removed it - it's gone, and nobody else can have it.

Besides, cars you CAN buy. Chances are, barring a few exceptions, anywhere in the world you can get whatever car you want.

I mean I won't even get further into this - there is a huge difference between the items,  and your statements like this show me that you aren't comprehending what I write:

"It seems to miss the point that whatever the reason (personal distaste at the distribution system, lack of funds, hatred of HBO) if you do not want to pay for the offered good, the proper option is to forgo, not to obtain without paying. "

Who said don't WANT? I said "CAN'T." That is not the same! Clearly you are not understanding what I am saying, or you don't know the difference between "don't want" and "can't."
 
2013-04-26 02:03:00 PM  

Teiritzamna: LasersHurt: Teiritzamna: LasersHurt: A lot of people cannot pay, because they are not given the chance. Often times these individuals turn to Piracy.

[thebreakthrough.org image 237x213]

Sorry, but how? It's not a limited commodity, you can multiply it infinitely for free.

However, the distinction between club goods and private goods is irrelevant to you argument though.  The argument was that someone who does not want to pay for a thing should, in fact, go without. You responded that they may be unable to pay.  Why this is a justification for why they should not go without is confusing to me.  It seems to miss the point that whatever the reason (personal distaste at the distribution system, lack of funds, hatred of HBO) if you do not want to pay for the offered good, the proper option is to forgo, not to obtain without paying. 

I agree that you SHOULD pay, if you can at all. And I don't mean "have the cash," either, I mean if there IS a mechanism for payment at all.
 
There is nothing so important about it that it has to be withheld from people who are not allowed to purchase it.


You do realize that this argument applies just as well to private goods as it does to club goods, correct?  I generally hate to analogize between them, but this argument would apply just as well to say a sports car.  The fact that it is rivalrous has little to do with the fact that "there is nothing so important about it that it has to be withheld from people who are not allowed to purchase it"


So if the only way for you to buy that sports car where you are is to also buy four school buses, a Raiders-Themed RV, six Moroccan child slaves and a 64 ounce big gulp you wouldn't think of that as a somewhat flawed sales model? I don't contend that is grounds for theft of a sports car but I could understand why someone would steal the car and leave a bag of cash equal to 15% over the SMRP of the car in its place.
 
2013-04-26 02:03:41 PM  

Mosrael: They'll learn eventually.  They still think creating a sort of pseudo scarcity model will give them the most money, which is absurd when talking about digital content.  When your supply is basically infinite and the costs of giving the product to people is miniscule you can practically give it away and at the end of the day still recreate the Scrooge McDuck swimming in gold scene of Duck Tails.  Once they realize this we'll have extremely cheap and readily available content without having to wait months for a season's conclusion.


Agreed. The same thing happened with music content. Prior to the advent of iTunes & Amazon, people were either forced to buy entire albums/CDs to listen to one favorite song...or they could record it from a friend's album/CD (or even off the radio). Once Apple & Amazon made individual songs conveniently available for legal purchase & download, people were more than happy to oblige. Sure, companies weren't getting ± $20 for a CD...but if it's a choice between getting $1 or $2 for a song vesus getting nothing from someone who obtained it elsewhere? Last time I checked, $1 was still greater than $0.

Now if book publishers could just realize an e-book costs less to produce/distribute than a physical book...
 
2013-04-26 02:04:06 PM  

bukijin: ha-ha-guy: bukijin: If there was a way of watching it without subscribing to fox cable or using an apple product then I would be very happy to pay for it.

But frankly GOT has bigger problems than illegal downloads...like how about finishing the books !! The TV series is just distracting the man from his writing. Back to work !

Honestly this season the people doing the writing for the show have started to prove they don't really need Martin to finish it up at this point.  They've made a lot of good decisions in terms of cutting out some of the secondary characters and streamlining the plot.  Odds are they can bring the series to a clean end even if Martin pulls a Robert Jordan.  Martin gets the credit for the world building, but he's only nice to have at this point.

/plus supposedly HBO made him provide an outline for the rest of the series before agreeing to film it, so they have the major plot lines all sketched out

That's so true actually. The TV series plot does run better and smoother than the books. The feeling I get is that he just started writing and let his characters wander where they would without a scheme to actually tie it all together and finish the book. And I estimate he has at least 3 more books to go - so what's that ? another 10-15 yrs ??


At least that long. Took six years to write the last mess. It's been two years since that was completed and you can bet that very little has been completed on book six. Far to many conventions to go to and other way overdue projects. Can't blame him if I was that rich I'd do what I wanted too eff working.
 
2013-04-26 02:04:16 PM  

Endive Wombat: justtray: Maybe HBO should consider updating their distribution model and stop hiding behind copyright violations?

Novel thought, I know.

That's the thing that amazes me about TV Networks.  You've got a country full of people jumping up and down with fists full of cash, and yet, the US entertainment industry acts as if they are above needing their money and refuses to adapt with...quite frankly, the new generation that has grown up with the internet and instant gratification when it comes to entertainment.


The question is, if HBO made available an episode for download at full resolution for say $2 per episode, would most of the 'pirates' decide to pay for the product or would they still just want it for free?
 
2013-04-26 02:06:35 PM  
"If the 4 million people who watched 'Game of Thrones' legally had been illegal downloaders - the show would be off the air and there would never have been a season 3," Bleich said. ($1 = 0.9697 Australian dollars)


That's not true. I am subscribed to HBO solely so I can watch GOT... and I also "pirate" the episodes, so I can watch them how I like, on the machine of my choice in my own home when I wish to. TV's aren't the only device people watch shows on anymore. But I like the show enough, and the production values are so good I don't want to just not pay them for it. Within my means I support the best media I consume, whether I pirate it or not.

So I am a pirate AND I'm paying for the show.

And I know other people who do the same thing. So while I'm sure many of those "illegal downloaders" are surely not paying, I'm sure many others are. Piracy is not as simple as "X number of people are downloading it, so that means Y amount of sales were lost." I never would have bothered subscribing to HBO for GOT if I hadn't pirated the first two episodes (I was late to the GOT thing) because a buddy of mine kept insisting I give it a try. I did, and I liked it so much I signed up for HBO to watch the rest of the season. And each season I sign back up for HBO when GOT comes back and cancel it after the season finale.
 
2013-04-26 02:15:25 PM  

Lollipop165: Mantour: But Cersei Lannister (Lena Headey) is broke  : "Game of Thrones star Lena Headey has filed legal documents stating she is flat broke and has "less than $5 in her bank account".


http://www.torontosun.com/2013/04/04/game-of-thrones-star-lena-heade y- broke

A similar article was posted the other day. She's been in quite a few movies and TV shows. I gotta wonder how she became so broke.


Divorce Attorneys!
 
2013-04-26 02:16:33 PM  
As someone whom has HBO and has never watched a single episode I allow my paid for view to someone else.  So EABOD ambassador/HBO.
 
2013-04-26 02:18:54 PM  
Theaetetus:


Is The Oatmeal selling the pirated GoT episodes?  Or making money off of them?

No?

Then it has farking nothing at farking all to do with the funnyjunk thing and is not even close to being a similar situation or ironic in any way whatsoever.
 
2013-04-26 02:19:05 PM  

justtray: Maybe HBO should consider updating their distribution model and stop hiding behind copyright violations?

Novel thought, I know.


Pretty much this.
Update your damn distribution model, morons.

FTA: "Neil Gane, managing director of the Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft"
Neil, I have a problem with your misnomer of an organization. Just because someone has a copy of something, doesn't mean they stole your precious copyright. Hell, people that legally DVR or watch the damn show don't own your copyright either. There is no reasoning with these money grubbing farkers.
 
2013-04-26 02:19:07 PM  

Theaetetus: Because he's complaining about someone making money off of advertising while illegally redistributing his content. Seems pretty apt.


I don't see anything ironic there.

In the funnyjunk matter, it is another site copying work without permission for the purpose of making a profit from it by advertising, while omitting all credit from the original creator.  Passing off somebody elses work as their own, and trying to make money from it.

In the Game of Thrones example, he was pointing out how as a consumer, HBO makes it difficult to lawfully pay for the material in a fashion people want, so when the legal option is difficult, they'll turn to piracy just to get it quicker and easier.

It's like how illegal music downloads became much less of an issue once iTunes and Amazon MP3 services (among others) made cheap, easy music downloads available.  If Matt Inman was streaming Game of Thrones from his website while making money from it, it would be the same as the funnyjunk matter, otherwise it's apples and oranges.
 
2013-04-26 02:20:19 PM  
Let me buy the cable shows and movies I want through the internet at a reasonable price and I'll never need to download anything again from TPB.
 
2013-04-26 02:22:49 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Theaetetus:

Is The Oatmeal selling the pirated GoT episodes?  Or making money off of them?

No?


Is he distributing them?
Yes?

Then it has farking nothing at farking all to do with the funnyjunk thing and is not even close to being a similar situation or ironic in any way whatsoever.

Both copyright infringement. Both with the infringer making money off of advertising. You're right, nothing at all similar there. [eyeroll]
 
2013-04-26 02:24:02 PM  

Silverstaff: In the funnyjunk matter, it is another site copying work without permission for the purpose of making a profit from it by advertising, while omitting all credit from the original creator.  Passing off somebody elses work as their own, and trying to make money from it.


Yep. In the GoT matter, it's another site copying work without permission for the purpose of making a profit from it by advertising. They didn't omit credit and there's no passing off, but they certainly tried to make money from it.
 
2013-04-26 02:25:51 PM  
I'm in the film industry and even I think that the bean counters need to come up with a reasonable business model.  I'd happily pay to rent movies, but with Blockbuster gone there's no real option for a physical rental (they chased all the independents out years ago).  My crap cable provider will "rent" new releases on demand but the price to see it in HD (1080i, for fark's sake) is more expensive than I used to rent a way less compression artifact ridden, 1080p BluRay for.  So fark that.  I'm a pirate... and I'd happily pay money to rent movies as long as I'm not being bent over to do it.
 
2013-04-26 02:26:48 PM  

StaleCoffee: So if the only way for you to buy that sports car where you are is to also buy four school buses, a Raiders-Themed RV, six Moroccan child slaves and a 64 ounce big gulp you wouldn't think of that as a somewhat flawed sales model? I don't contend that is grounds for theft of a sports car but I could understand why someone would steal the car and leave a bag of cash equal to 15% over the SMRP of the car in its place.


The answer would of course be to say: Hey car dealer (and HBO) you are a total moron and I would not buy all that crap.  Taking the car, however?  That is saying, hey your system of distribution is balls ass stupid (which trust me i think it is) but i have a right to that sweet sweet vehicle.
 
2013-04-26 02:28:30 PM  

Teiritzamna: The answer would of course be to say: Hey car dealer (and HBO) you are a total moron and I would not buy all that crap. Taking the car, however? That is saying, hey your system of distribution is balls ass stupid (which trust me i think it is) but i have a right to that sweet sweet vehicle.


What if you just make a copy of the car and use that to drive around?
 
2013-04-26 02:29:08 PM  

MugzyBrown: The question is, if HBO made available an episode for download at full resolution for say $2 per episode, would most of the 'pirates' decide to pay for the product or would they still just want it for free?


Personally I'd buy it, if it's something I want to watch.  It helps ensure similar content is made in the future, it gives money to the creators, it means I'll get a proper copy of the video (plus the video will be what the title claims it is!) AND it means I don't have to visit sketchy websites that are probably trying to infect me with viruses.

In short, for $2? Hell yeah. It's a LOT less hassle.

This is why people happily buy music now that they've figured out that the proper model is akin to the cassette single rather than the $20 CD.

There will probably always be some segment of the population happy to steal (students with no money, etc) but most people with a normal income who don't want to spend all kinds of time searching and don't feel like taking risks will just pay their $2.

I pay for content like this NOW, even if I'm still breaking the law by lying about my location to do it.
 
2013-04-26 02:32:34 PM  

Teiritzamna: StaleCoffee: So if the only way for you to buy that sports car where you are is to also buy four school buses, a Raiders-Themed RV, six Moroccan child slaves and a 64 ounce big gulp you wouldn't think of that as a somewhat flawed sales model? I don't contend that is grounds for theft of a sports car but I could understand why someone would steal the car and leave a bag of cash equal to 15% over the SMRP of the car in its place.

The answer would of course be to say: Hey car dealer (and HBO) you are a total moron and I would not buy all that crap.  Taking the car, however?  That is saying, hey your system of distribution is balls ass stupid (which trust me i think it is) but i have a right to that sweet sweet vehicle.


The world has told the entertainment industry for years that their current model of packaging a few nice songs in with a ton of crap is a bad idea...The industry basically told us all to go suck a big one and either pay for the crap package or do without.

Until internet downloading came along and NOW they're all whining and crying and talking about theft.

So, screw them until they decide to give us a sales model that we've wanted for years.

Also, mister Ambassador, here is the President of Programming for HBO, talking about the show you're so valiantly defending from downloaders:

. . . "I probably shouldn't be saying this, but it is a compliment of sorts," Lombardo said. "The demand is there. And it certainly didn't negatively impact the DVD sales. [Piracy is] something that comes along with having a wildly successful show on a subscription network."

That's Michael Lombardo, and he doesn't seem to have a problem with downloaders.
 
2013-04-26 02:32:58 PM  

Theaetetus: impaler: Here's the full comic:

Link

More than a little ironic that Oatmeal was the one complaining about Funnyjunk stealing his stuff and making money off advertising.
[s3.amazonaws.com image 420x853]

/"But it's different when  I do it!"


The point:
.


Your head:
( )

Notice the distance above your head the point passed? One could say it was completely missed.

He tried his damnedest to watch the show legally, but was stonewalled at every turn. FunnyJunk just stole his shiat and started making money off of his work without credit.
There is a HUGE difference between downloading a video to watch in your own room and copy/pasting another person's work to a website so you can make money off of it.
 
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